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2014-02-22 09:03:53 PM
I just watched all 5 episodes in the last 24 hours. This show is a farking masterpiece. It's creepy and interesting and brilliantly acted. But so, so creepy.

I will say I don't love this theory - its a little too Hot Fuzz for me. But I like the symbolism.
 
2014-02-22 09:06:16 PM
Also, LOVE LOVE LOVE that they basically solved the crime so surprisingly soon, making me wonder "wait, what the fark are the next 4 episodes about if they already solved it?!"

And then the perp drops the name "Yellow King" and I got a chill down my spine.
 
2014-02-22 09:16:23 PM
Also, the final shot of the most recent episode is shouting out: RUST IS BEING FRAMED:

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-22 09:19:19 PM
I'd agree that Tuttle is probably behind it (but the reverend or the governor or both?) and the theory about the beer can figures seems as reasonable as anything else. Who knows though, this show hasn't exactly been predictable.
 
2014-02-22 09:20:29 PM

Confabulat: I'd agree that Tuttle is probably behind it (but the reverend or the governor or both?) and the theory about the beer can figures seems as reasonable as anything else. Who knows though, this show hasn't exactly been predictable.


It just seems so predictable, and kind of out of left field. Not narratively, since its obviously been foreshadowed, but given the thematic focus of the show on Rust and Marty, it would seem weird to come out of the blue and say "hey, that guy from episode 1 - he did it!" Thematically random.
 
2014-02-22 09:22:14 PM

DamnYankees: I just watched all 5 episodes in the last 24 hours. This show is a farking masterpiece. It's creepy and interesting and brilliantly acted. But so, so creepy.

I will say I don't love this theory - its a little too Hot Fuzz for me. But I like the symbolism.


I watched it on a whim because it was on HBO and I had heard nothing about it and instantly got absorbed. So far, it's as good as it gets. Someone suggested a Twin Peaks-esque situation where killing the one guy just had the Taxman get infected with evil. I hope that's not it because that would be pretty lame.
 
2014-02-22 09:23:20 PM

DamnYankees: Also, LOVE LOVE LOVE that they basically solved the crime so surprisingly soon, making me wonder "wait, what the fark are the next 4 episodes about if they already solved it?!"

And then the perp drops the name "Yellow King" and I got a chill down my spine.


That was a great scene. I've never been a particular fan of McConaughey, but he's farking great in this and that scene is just an example of it.
 
2014-02-22 09:23:37 PM

vygramul: I watched it on a whim because it was on HBO and I had heard nothing about it and instantly got absorbed. So far, it's as good as it gets. Someone suggested a Twin Peaks-esque situation where killing the one guy just had the Taxman get infected with evil. I hope that's not it because that would be pretty lame.


Yeah, I find it hard to square that. I just can't see them doing it, since I don't understand what the thematic tie would be.

Another alternative is of course that Marty actually did it - he's more farked up than Cole is.
 
2014-02-22 09:24:24 PM

DamnYankees: Confabulat: I'd agree that Tuttle is probably behind it (but the reverend or the governor or both?) and the theory about the beer can figures seems as reasonable as anything else. Who knows though, this show hasn't exactly been predictable.

It just seems so predictable, and kind of out of left field. Not narratively, since its obviously been foreshadowed, but given the thematic focus of the show on Rust and Marty, it would seem weird to come out of the blue and say "hey, that guy from episode 1 - he did it!" Thematically random.


True, and that actually puts a damper on this 5-cops hypothesis. That seems too easy, too.
 
2014-02-22 09:25:29 PM

vygramul: That was a great scene. I've never been a particular fan of McConaughey, but he's farking great in this and that scene is just an example of it.


You been watching him the last few years? He's turned into one of the best actors alive right now. Mud, Magic Mike, The Wolf of Wall Street are all farking great performances. He's also supposedly great in Killer Joe and Dallas Buyers Club but I haven't seen those.
 
2014-02-22 09:25:43 PM

DamnYankees: vygramul: I watched it on a whim because it was on HBO and I had heard nothing about it and instantly got absorbed. So far, it's as good as it gets. Someone suggested a Twin Peaks-esque situation where killing the one guy just had the Taxman get infected with evil. I hope that's not it because that would be pretty lame.

Yeah, I find it hard to square that. I just can't see them doing it, since I don't understand what the thematic tie would be.

Another alternative is of course that Marty actually did it - he's more farked up than Cole is.


Marty would make a much better answer. He was all farked up before the first guy, and he started slipping when his daughter became my kind of woman.
 
2014-02-22 09:26:17 PM

vygramul: True, and that actually puts a damper on this 5-cops hypothesis. That seems too easy, too.


But I think there has to be a tie-in with that photo of 5 horseman. I remember they lingered on that for a while, and never talked about it. It's such a weird photo. It can't be random.
 
2014-02-22 09:26:26 PM

DamnYankees: vygramul: That was a great scene. I've never been a particular fan of McConaughey, but he's farking great in this and that scene is just an example of it.

You been watching him the last few years? He's turned into one of the best actors alive right now. Mud, Magic Mike, The Wolf of Wall Street are all farking great performances. He's also supposedly great in Killer Joe and Dallas Buyers Club but I haven't seen those.


Was Mud good? I was tempted by the reviews.
 
2014-02-22 09:27:19 PM

vygramul: Was Mud good? I was tempted by the reviews.


Fan-freaking-tastic. Should have gotten a best picture nod. Can't recommend enough.
 
2014-02-22 09:28:05 PM

DamnYankees: vygramul: True, and that actually puts a damper on this 5-cops hypothesis. That seems too easy, too.

But I think there has to be a tie-in with that photo of 5 horseman. I remember they lingered on that for a while, and never talked about it. It's such a weird photo. It can't be random.


Maybe not. But it seems too easy to be the five cops in the station. Now if it were the captain, that would be something, as that would be totally casting outside type.
 
2014-02-22 09:30:59 PM

vygramul: Maybe not. But it seems too easy to be the five cops in the station. Now if it were the captain, that would be something, as that would be totally casting outside type.


The thing is, it seems like Ledoux really did do it. I mean, he can't be innocent. So the idea that there's a Yellow King doesn't mean Ledoux was innocent, just that he did it in conjunction with someone.
 
2014-02-22 09:34:12 PM
Of course, the question becomes how and why the victim in ep 1 was killed. She has connections to the five, and for her to be killed when they were killing unrelated people before suggests that something went very wrong in the plot to begin with.
 
2014-02-22 09:35:49 PM
If anyone is interested, The King In Yellow for the kindle is free at Amazon.
 
2014-02-22 09:36:32 PM

DamnYankees: vygramul: Maybe not. But it seems too easy to be the five cops in the station. Now if it were the captain, that would be something, as that would be totally casting outside type.

The thing is, it seems like Ledoux really did do it. I mean, he can't be innocent. So the idea that there's a Yellow King doesn't mean Ledoux was innocent, just that he did it in conjunction with someone.


One thing I was contemplating was that this involves several pillars of crime. Ledoux is drugs - maybe one of the kings is the madam. But I haven't decided what the other ones might be.
 
2014-02-22 09:37:07 PM

Blues_X: If anyone is interested, The King In Yellow for the kindle is free at Amazon.


Actually, yes, thanks!
 
2014-02-22 09:43:26 PM
I will say this show is a fine argument for watching a show as it is broadcast on TV and having to wait a week between installments.

If it had gone the Netflix route and all 8 episodes were immediately available, I'd have probably burned through them all in one sitting. Having to wait a week makes me think about the last episode, maybe rewatch it, come up with some silly theories and then debunk them, and just let it sit and marinate in my skull until the next one. It's very satisfying.
 
2014-02-22 09:44:51 PM
And also watching it as it airs, no one can spoil it on the internet for you.
 
2014-02-22 09:48:19 PM

DamnYankees: vygramul: Maybe not. But it seems too easy to be the five cops in the station. Now if it were the captain, that would be something, as that would be totally casting outside type.

The thing is, it seems like Ledoux really did do it. I mean, he can't be innocent. So the idea that there's a Yellow King doesn't mean Ledoux was innocent, just that he did it in conjunction with someone.


BTW: I realized that if it turns out Ledoux isn't the bad guy, Marty has to reassess his own actions in a much harsher light. It's not a surprise this is really bad news for him if it casts doubt on guilt.

/Not that Ledoux's other crimes didn't deserve it
 
2014-02-22 09:51:23 PM
I haven't watched the show yet, and I deliberately avoid anything written about it.

I take it I should start watching ...
 
2014-02-22 09:51:35 PM
I love this farking show. I've been wondering about the beer can figures but the show is too crazy for me to speculate what they mean.
 
2014-02-22 09:51:48 PM
One of the best scenes I've seen in a long time:  Rust and Dr girlfriend watching tv and all she does is go from channel to channel.  Not a word said but the scene spoke volumes.


Rust's nihilism seems to progress as the show goes on, him picking up bits and pieces from Ledoux and others along the way, "someone told me time is a flat circle".  Yeah Ledoux told him that.
 
2014-02-22 09:53:38 PM

vygramul: DamnYankees: vygramul: Maybe not. But it seems too easy to be the five cops in the station. Now if it were the captain, that would be something, as that would be totally casting outside type.

The thing is, it seems like Ledoux really did do it. I mean, he can't be innocent. So the idea that there's a Yellow King doesn't mean Ledoux was innocent, just that he did it in conjunction with someone.

BTW: I realized that if it turns out Ledoux isn't the bad guy, Marty has to reassess his own actions in a much harsher light. It's not a surprise this is really bad news for him if it casts doubt on guilt.

/Not that Ledoux's other crimes didn't deserve it


Exactly. Even if somehow he didn't do the antler job, he still killed and tortured children. Marty didn't kill him because of the first murder.
 
2014-02-22 09:55:11 PM

aiiee: One of the best scenes I've seen in a long time:  Rust and Dr girlfriend watching tv and all she does is go from channel to channel.  Not a word said but the scene spoke volumes.


Rust's nihilism seems to progress as the show goes on, him picking up bits and pieces from Ledoux and others along the way, "someone told me time is a flat circle".  Yeah Ledoux told him that.


It'll be interesting to see if his entire discussion on philosophy, when collected, becomes a cohesive whole.
 
2014-02-22 09:56:38 PM

DamnYankees: vygramul: DamnYankees: vygramul: Maybe not. But it seems too easy to be the five cops in the station. Now if it were the captain, that would be something, as that would be totally casting outside type.

The thing is, it seems like Ledoux really did do it. I mean, he can't be innocent. So the idea that there's a Yellow King doesn't mean Ledoux was innocent, just that he did it in conjunction with someone.

BTW: I realized that if it turns out Ledoux isn't the bad guy, Marty has to reassess his own actions in a much harsher light. It's not a surprise this is really bad news for him if it casts doubt on guilt.

/Not that Ledoux's other crimes didn't deserve it

Exactly. Even if somehow he didn't do the antler job, he still killed and tortured children. Marty didn't kill him because of the first murder.


No, but I'm not sure that events would have unfolded in the same way had this just been a drug raid.
 
2014-02-22 09:57:47 PM
I'm still amazed and grateful they somehow got these 2 incredible actors to do a show like this. It's just a pleasure. I worry though that this is not a replicable model for future seasons.
 
2014-02-22 09:59:46 PM

DamnYankees: I'm still amazed and grateful they somehow got these 2 incredible actors to do a show like this. It's just a pleasure. I worry though that this is not a replicable model for future seasons.


In that way, it really might be like Twin Peaks, and everyone loses interest after season 1. Then again, the writing is so intelligent, maybe this will survive even HBO's infamous season-3 curse.
 
2014-02-22 10:01:25 PM
And let's not forget the filmmaking brilliance - like the long-take at the end of ep-4.
 
2014-02-22 10:05:33 PM
You guys have it all wrong. The show is going for the ultimate twist.

The detectives know that Rust isn't the killer. In fact, they know who the killer is. That's not what they're after. This whole thing has been an investigation to get Rust and Marty on charges of filing a false police report in 1995. It ends with the two of them getting busted for that.
 
2014-02-22 10:11:45 PM

JerseyTim: The detectives know that Rust isn't the killer. In fact, they know who the killer is. That's not what they're after. This whole thing has been an investigation to get Rust and Marty on charges of filing a false police report in 1995. It ends with the two of them getting busted for that.


The last scene is swelling dramatic music. It's a dark, wet hallway. Our heros slowly walk down the hall to the iron bars at the end. When they get there, they undergo their final redemption - paying a $200 fine to the petty cash office for their grievous misdeeds.

The end.
 
2014-02-22 10:12:25 PM

aiiee: One of the best scenes I've seen in a long time:  Rust and Dr girlfriend watching tv and all she does is go from channel to channel.  Not a word said but the scene spoke volumes.



Can you expand on that? I'm missing the genius there. Seemed like a pretty normal b-roll scene to me.
 
2014-02-22 10:15:44 PM

DamnYankees: aiiee: One of the best scenes I've seen in a long time:  Rust and Dr girlfriend watching tv and all she does is go from channel to channel.  Not a word said but the scene spoke volumes.


Can you expand on that? I'm missing the genius there. Seemed like a pretty normal b-roll scene to me.



It showed his growing detachment, instead of warming up to the relationship. Same planets different worlds. All that.
 
2014-02-22 10:15:52 PM
Pajiba also did a nice post breaking down the pros and cons of "Is Rust the real monster". Here's the post:

Rust Cohle is the monster.

* Dewall, Reggie Ledoux's cook partner, on Cohle:

"I can see your soul at the edges of your eyes. It's corrosive, like acid ... If I see you again, I'm putting you down. There's a shadow on you, son."

*  Reggie Ledoux, before he had his brains blown out: "It's time, isn't it. The black stars ... the black stars rise. I know what happens next. I saw you in my dream. You're in Carcosa now. With me. He sees you ... you'll do this again. Time is a flat circle."

*  The double murderer, who knows things. "Y'all never caught the man that did that. He's been out there, killing ... There's big people who know about him.  Big people ... I tell you, about the Yellow King ... THE YELLOW KING."

*  Cohl steered the initial investigation toward Reggie Ledoux to cover his own ass, created the Yellow King in 2002 to mask his involvement in additional murders, and went off the grid only to kill again. After all, as Cohle said himself, the world needs bad men. Cohle is simply fulfilling the bad man quota.

*  Cohle is the Yellow King, or  :

Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.
Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.
Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.
Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa


*  Look at the black stars. Cohle is the teeth inside the frame.

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Rust Cohle Is Not the Monster

*  The double murderer who killed himself said he'd seen the killer before, but didn't identify Cohle as the Yellow King.

*  The double murderer said that there's  big people who knew about the Yellow King. Later, during the interview with the detectives, Cohle questioned how they kept the crime scene out of the papers. "How'd you keep her out of the papers, maybe you got some friends in high places?"

Big people?

*  It seems like, since Cohle went off the grid, he's been trying to do his own investigation, because he understands that he couldn't do it within the confines of the police department because of those big people. It's clear he has been doing a lot of digging (because he's seen at the crime scenes), and he has his own theories, which he was hoping the interviewing detectives would help him with. Why would the serial killer be investigating the crimes? Why would a serial killer return to the scene, especially someone as smart as Cohle.

*  It's too pat, and emotionally unsatisfying. Plus, there's three episodes left, and still too much time to pin the murders on Cohle. The remaining episodes would seem to be about Cohle reuniting with Hart to prove his innocence and find the real killer.

*  That last shot was not suggesting that Cohle was the killer inside the frame, but that he was actually being  framed.

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But who could be smart enough to frame Cohle?

*  There may be something else entirely at play.The King in Yellow,  True Detective is a horror story, one with supernatural elements (which might explain the hallucinations that Cohle has had).
 
2014-02-22 10:20:44 PM
My not entirely crackpot theory that Marty Hart is the real killer:
1. Quick temper
2. Prone to violence
3. Issues with women
4. Shot a deer (has access to antlers)
5. Plugged Reginald Ledoux before he could be interrogated


Biggest problem: While he seems like a hair-trigger nut, he doesn't come off like some sort of meticulous, symbolism-obsessed serial killer
 
2014-02-22 10:23:56 PM
Honestly, this show seems most primed for a Zodiac-type ending, where we never find out who the killer is, since the whole point of the show is more about the lives of the people searching for the killer. Not even sure that'd annoy me.
 
2014-02-22 10:29:36 PM

Blues_X: DamnYankees: aiiee: One of the best scenes I've seen in a long time:  Rust and Dr girlfriend watching tv and all she does is go from channel to channel.  Not a word said but the scene spoke volumes.


Can you expand on that? I'm missing the genius there. Seemed like a pretty normal b-roll scene to me.


It showed his growing detachment, instead of warming up to the relationship. Same planets different worlds. All that.


And her dissatisfaction, and his not seeing this.  All in 10 seconds, no words.  I don't know what a "normal b-roll scene " might be, but I liked this one.
 
2014-02-22 10:30:04 PM
My take: we're in for the ultimate setup. This isn't a police/mystery drama, this is a horror series. The spaghetti guy chasing the girl was real. Rust sees the beast and that's what changes him.
 
2014-02-22 10:33:21 PM

naughtyrev: My take: we're in for the ultimate setup. This isn't a police/mystery drama, this is a horror series. The spaghetti guy chasing the girl was real. Rust sees the beast and that's what changes him.


I've seen this theory as well. That this is actually a fantasy/magical realism show which is just waiting a long time to show that side of itself. All I can say it that I'd find this unsatisfying.

I thought the "spaghetti man" was satisfying (and terrifyingly) dealt with in the final shot of episode 3, where we see Ledoux with the gas mask.
 
2014-02-22 10:41:03 PM

DamnYankees: naughtyrev: My take: we're in for the ultimate setup. This isn't a police/mystery drama, this is a horror series. The spaghetti guy chasing the girl was real. Rust sees the beast and that's what changes him.

I've seen this theory as well. That this is actually a fantasy/magical realism show which is just waiting a long time to show that side of itself. All I can say it that I'd find this unsatisfying.

I thought the "spaghetti man" was satisfying (and terrifyingly) dealt with in the final shot of episode 3, where we see Ledoux with the gas mask.


I think we're being led to believe that Billy Lee Tuttle is the yellow king. I don't know if I believe it though. Rust may be being framed, but I think that is too obvious and will be seen through. I don't know if I'd find my theory satisfying or not to be honest, I guess it would depend on how it would be handled.
 
2014-02-22 10:42:06 PM
I like the theory in the link.
 
2014-02-22 10:42:48 PM

naughtyrev: I think we're being led to believe that Billy Lee Tuttle is the yellow king.


The detectives referenced one of the Tuttles last week when they were questioning Woody. I thought it was an odd thing to bring up.
 
2014-02-22 10:46:49 PM

Confabulat: naughtyrev: I think we're being led to believe that Billy Lee Tuttle is the yellow king.

The detectives referenced one of the Tuttles last week when they were questioning Woody. I thought it was an odd thing to bring up.


The actor who played Billy Lee is too famous to be a bit role, so I figured early on that he was involved.
 
2014-02-22 10:47:30 PM
Just rewatching episode 5: "Tuttle died in 2010, right after Cohle came back into the state."

So Tuttle is dead before the interviews take place.
 
2014-02-22 10:48:41 PM

vygramul: Just rewatching episode 5: "Tuttle died in 2010, right after Cohle came back into the state."

So Tuttle is dead before the interviews take place.


Which one? Aren't there two Tuttles? The guy they met in episode 1 who is doing the task force, and his cousin the governor? Who is the one who died, and how is the one suspected of being the Yellow King?
 
2014-02-22 10:50:48 PM

vygramul: Just rewatching episode 5: "Tuttle died in 2010, right after Cohle came back into the state."

So Tuttle is dead before the interviews take place.


That, and he died right when Cohle showed back up. I don't think Cohle's the killer of the girls, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him use a little vigilante justice on someone he thought was.
 
2014-02-22 10:52:01 PM

DamnYankees: vygramul: Just rewatching episode 5: "Tuttle died in 2010, right after Cohle came back into the state."

So Tuttle is dead before the interviews take place.

Which one? Aren't there two Tuttles? The guy they met in episode 1 who is doing the task force, and his cousin the governor? Who is the one who died, and how is the one suspected of being the Yellow King?


They said Billy Lee Tuttle, with is Jay O. Sanders' character.

It's odd, of course, because he's normally not someone to make cameos. Maybe another flashback will bring him into the story?
 
2014-02-22 10:55:01 PM

vygramul: DamnYankees: vygramul: Just rewatching episode 5: "Tuttle died in 2010, right after Cohle came back into the state."

So Tuttle is dead before the interviews take place.

Which one? Aren't there two Tuttles? The guy they met in episode 1 who is doing the task force, and his cousin the governor? Who is the one who died, and how is the one suspected of being the Yellow King?

They said Billy Lee Tuttle, with is Jay O. Sanders' character.

It's odd, of course, because he's normally not someone to make cameos. Maybe another flashback will bring him into the story?


I've never heard of or seem this actor before, and I'm a tv and movie junkie. This dude can't be that famous.
 
2014-02-22 10:56:31 PM

DamnYankees: This dude can't be that famous.


He's not what I'd call famous, but he's one of those "hey it's that guy" guys that's been a million TV shows and movies since forever.
 
2014-02-22 11:03:20 PM

DamnYankees: vygramul: DamnYankees: vygramul: Just rewatching episode 5: "Tuttle died in 2010, right after Cohle came back into the state."

So Tuttle is dead before the interviews take place.

Which one? Aren't there two Tuttles? The guy they met in episode 1 who is doing the task force, and his cousin the governor? Who is the one who died, and how is the one suspected of being the Yellow King?

They said Billy Lee Tuttle, with is Jay O. Sanders' character.

It's odd, of course, because he's normally not someone to make cameos. Maybe another flashback will bring him into the story?

I've never heard of or seem this actor before, and I'm a tv and movie junkie. This dude can't be that famous.


He's not THAT big, but he was in Glory, Day After Tomorrow, Green Lantern, 9 episodes of Law & Order Criminal Intent, and a shiatload of guest appearances.
 
2014-02-22 11:04:14 PM

DamnYankees: vygramul: DamnYankees: vygramul: Just rewatching episode 5: "Tuttle died in 2010, right after Cohle came back into the state."

So Tuttle is dead before the interviews take place.

Which one? Aren't there two Tuttles? The guy they met in episode 1 who is doing the task force, and his cousin the governor? Who is the one who died, and how is the one suspected of being the Yellow King?

They said Billy Lee Tuttle, with is Jay O. Sanders' character.

It's odd, of course, because he's normally not someone to make cameos. Maybe another flashback will bring him into the story?

I've never heard of or seem this actor before, and I'm a tv and movie junkie. This dude can't be that famous.


He doesn't do 10 second cameos in a show with this many nobodies. He's involved.
 
2014-02-22 11:19:24 PM
 
2014-02-22 11:40:00 PM

DamnYankees: vygramul: True, and that actually puts a damper on this 5-cops hypothesis. That seems too easy, too.

But I think there has to be a tie-in with that photo of 5 horseman. I remember they lingered on that for a while, and never talked about it. It's such a weird photo. It can't be random.


That actually may be a red herring. Iirc that was in Eunice, LA, and that was a depiction of how they celebrate Mardi Gras there. A photo like that, odd as it may seem out of context, would actually be fairly commonplace.
 
2014-02-22 11:52:21 PM

Confabulat: I will say this show is a fine argument for watching a show as it is broadcast on TV and having to wait a week between installments.

If it had gone the Netflix route and all 8 episodes were immediately available, I'd have probably burned through them all in one sitting. Having to wait a week makes me think about the last episode, maybe rewatch it, come up with some silly theories and then debunk them, and just let it sit and marinate in my skull until the next one. It's very satisfying.


Yup. I was thinking the same thing after I binge watched the first 3 episodes to catch up cause everyone was raving about the show and I wanted to see what the fuss was about. With so many possible scenarios and red herrings being thrown out, really builds the anticipation. No Justified this week to distract just built it even more.

REALLY hoping lightening can strike twice with season 2. HBO has the benefit of the doubt and they either have another smash hit on their hands or a possible bottle rocket.

/ thinking maybe the daughter's newfound rebellion will play a big role in the conclusion.
 
2014-02-22 11:54:42 PM
I haven't seen any episodes yet.

Are there spoilers in this thread?
 
2014-02-22 11:55:15 PM

ksdanj: I haven't seen any episodes yet.

Are there spoilers in this thread?


For the episodes that have already aired, yes. Stop reading.
 
2014-02-22 11:58:41 PM
vygramul:

Another alternative is of course that Marty actually did it - he's more farked up than Cole is.

Marty would make a much better answer. He was all farked up before the first guy, and he started slipping when his daughter became my kind of woman.


Not that I'm fully buying Marty is the guy, but here's a couple of things to ponder -
- Marty's F-I-L seems to be rich and powerful man - just the type that would be part of the group in the swamp
           doing the killings with the Yellow King
- just before he aerates Ledoux's head, the camera hung for just a beat as the two shared a glance.  Did Ledoux
           recognize Marty?  Marty could have been brought along by FIL to one of those 'meetings' down in the
           swamp
- Marty is(was) a blonde, and the only really yellow blonde (if memory serves) in the cast
- the stars on the Lone Star cans are yellow and make the can figures' heads yellow as well
 
2014-02-23 12:02:38 AM

elvisaintdead: - Marty's F-I-L seems to be rich and powerful man - just the type that would be part of the group in the swamp
           doing the killings with the Yellow King


This is one of the reasons I really don't like the theory in TFA; it just reminds me of Hot Fuzz. This theory basically lets us propose a conspiracy theory whereby every powerful person in the storyline is part of a mass conspiracy to be in a cult? I'm not saying it can't be true, just that I don't see evidence of it, and that doesn't seem like the show I've been watching.
 
2014-02-23 12:06:46 AM

DamnYankees: elvisaintdead: - Marty's F-I-L seems to be rich and powerful man - just the type that would be part of the group in the swamp
           doing the killings with the Yellow King

This is one of the reasons I really don't like the theory in TFA; it just reminds me of Hot Fuzz. This theory basically lets us propose a conspiracy theory whereby every powerful person in the storyline is part of a mass conspiracy to be in a cult? I'm not saying it can't be true, just that I don't see evidence of it, and that doesn't seem like the show I've been watching.


I hear you on that, and can't say I disagree - but something about their discussion at the lake house set off my radar and it's been kinda pinging ever since.  you're probably right - it is *very* convenient and obvious.
 
2014-02-23 12:20:58 AM

DamnYankees: Honestly, this show seems most primed for a Zodiac-type ending, where we never find out who the killer is, since the whole point of the show is more about the lives of the people searching for the killer. Not even sure that'd annoy me.


The show creator is on record saying it's a show about an investigation, and nothing more.  So you could be on point.
 
2014-02-23 12:27:32 AM

Blues_X: Blues_X: If anyone is interested, The King In Yellow for the kindle is free at Amazon.


Also, Project Gutenberg
 
2014-02-23 12:47:03 AM
Is it me or has Matthew McConaughey really improved as an actor over the last few years? I used to see him as kind of a likeable but definitely one note performer but everything he's been in from Killer Joe on, he's been phenomenal.
 
2014-02-23 12:52:46 AM

Snapper Carr: Is it me or has Matthew McConaughey really improved as an actor over the last few years? I used to see him as kind of a likeable but definitely one note performer but everything he's been in from Killer Joe on, he's been phenomenal.


I'm not sure if he's improved his acting (he's always been good, even in stupid or bad movies), so much as he seems to have decided to just take more interesting work. Maybe he got to a point where he said "I've made enough money, now I'm interested in exploring the art more".
 
2014-02-23 12:53:57 AM

Snapper Carr: Is it me or has Matthew McConaughey really improved as an actor over the last few years? I used to see him as kind of a likeable but definitely one note performer but everything he's been in from Killer Joe on, he's been phenomenal.


It was obvious he was something magical in Dazed and Confused, but his role in Contact really hinted at something big.  Once he was in Amistad I knew he was going to have a long career.
 
2014-02-23 12:54:28 AM
Oh, and lets not forget McConaughey's next movie - farking Interstellar with Christopher Nolan. So excited for that.
 
2014-02-23 12:58:22 AM

Confabulat: I will say this show is a fine argument for watching a show as it is broadcast on TV and having to wait a week between installments.

If it had gone the Netflix route and all 8 episodes were immediately available, I'd have probably burned through them all in one sitting. Having to wait a week makes me think about the last episode, maybe rewatch it, come up with some silly theories and then debunk them, and just let it sit and marinate in my skull until the next one. It's very satisfying.


That's what I was thinking as well after buring through House of Cards season 2 in a weekend. There just wasn't time to mull over each of the episodes and discuss afterwards. In the case of True Detective, the amazing one-take scene at the end of episode 4 and the monologues of episode 5 wouldn't have had the same impact if I rush right into the revelations of the finale.
 
2014-02-23 01:08:23 AM

DamnYankees: I just watched all 5 episodes in the last 24 hours. This show is a farking masterpiece. It's creepy and interesting and brilliantly acted. But so, so creepy.

I will say I don't love this theory - its a little too Hot Fuzz for me. But I like the symbolism.


Where are you watching them?  HBO doesn't seem to airing reruns.
 
2014-02-23 01:09:03 AM

DamnYankees: vygramul: That was a great scene. I've never been a particular fan of McConaughey, but he's farking great in this and that scene is just an example of it.

You been watching him the last few years? He's turned into one of the best actors alive right now. Mud, Magic Mike, The Wolf of Wall Street are all farking great performances. He's also supposedly great in Killer Joe and Dallas Buyers Club but I haven't seen those.


I watched Dallas Buyers Club today and he was amazing in it, a very nuanced and physical performance, beyond just the weight loss, he put everything into the role. He just inhabited the role and made you forget the familiar actor. He's a lock for the Oscar, I think.
 
2014-02-23 01:09:42 AM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Where are you watching them?  HBO doesn't seem to airing reruns.

 HBO Go.
 
2014-02-23 01:10:07 AM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: DamnYankees: I just watched all 5 episodes in the last 24 hours. This show is a farking masterpiece. It's creepy and interesting and brilliantly acted. But so, so creepy.

I will say I don't love this theory - its a little too Hot Fuzz for me. But I like the symbolism.

Where are you watching them?  HBO doesn't seem to airing reruns.


They are on HBO Go and On Demand for most cable companies.
 
2014-02-23 01:14:44 AM
 
2014-02-23 01:25:17 AM

DamnYankees: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Where are you watching them?  HBO doesn't seem to airing reruns.
 HBO Go.


Thanks.

I can't believe The King in Yellow Mythos is basically going mainstream.  That, and that the theme song is by the handsome Family, are what got my attention.
 
2014-02-23 01:25:35 AM
I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.

I don't think Rust has anything to do with it and is just trying to find out what the heck is going on and who the killers are. But then agian Rust is majorly farked up( Hallucinations, Heavy Drug Use when undercover and pill popper in the early episodes, Very farked up former home life and work life when he worked narco),. Id be really surprised if it turns out Rust had anything to do with it. But still the guy has deep issues.

Im both bummed that there are only 3 episodes left but I want to see them dammit. But I agree its nice to have a week to chew on the episodes since they give you so much to think on

Great Show I hope it finishes off great that has me the most worried is how it will end
 
2014-02-23 01:28:12 AM

ItchyMcDoogle: I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.


I don't think this is it. TD so far has not shown itself to be the kind of show where they do this kind of "gotcha" twist. The family stuff is pretty straight up character drama; there's no additional explanation needed for 'why' his daughter is screwed up. They have a screwed up family. To introduce some plot line where they are actually involved in the murders would actually undermine the themes of the show.
 
2014-02-23 01:33:53 AM

DamnYankees: ItchyMcDoogle: I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.


I don't think this is it. TD so far has not shown itself to be the kind of show where they do this kind of "gotcha" twist. The family stuff is pretty straight up character drama; there's no additional explanation needed for 'why' his daughter is screwed up. They have a screwed up family. To introduce some plot line where they are actually involved in the murders would actually undermine the themes of the show.


Yeah but i've been thinking how he's been repeating " the answer is right under your nose and you cant see it" But I could be wrong..I just cant wait till tomorrow I DO know that much lol
 
2014-02-23 01:38:30 AM
I mentioned this in a thread about Ukraine the other day but it still amuses me so I'll type it again. The other day I was talking on the phone to my 78-year-old Ukrainian mother about the protests going on over there and she hadn't heard the first thing about it. This didn't surprise me cause my mom is 78 years old and doesn't really keep up with current events; even 30 years ago she pretty much only watched daytime soap operas and Quincy, so you know, that's my sweet old clueless mom. So I was telling her about what I knew about events in Ukraine and I said something about how history repeats itself. Mom immediately replies, "Well it's like Rust Chole said in True Detective last week, time is like a flat circle" and my mind was blown.

I was like Mom did you just drop a Rust Chole quote on me in a conversation about a completely unrelated matter? My hippest friends aren't that hippy hip!

It's made me reassess everything I thought I knew about the woman. Now I need to get her to make me a mix tape or something.
 
2014-02-23 01:44:33 AM
http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/why-does-true-detective-referen c e-the-work-of-a-self-published-poet

I thought this was pretty interesting too.

I went and saw Rashid Jennings exhibit at the MCA in Denver and a couple of his works made me think of this show.  I've been reading the King in Yellow too.  I'm crazy obsessed with this shiat.
 
2014-02-23 01:47:06 AM
I'm also thinking there is a real horror element that will be revealed as the final episodes air.  If in fact the killer/killers/cult were only inspired by the real world Chambers and 'The King in Yellow', would it not make sense that the detectives would have made the connection to the murders, Chambers and his short story by now?

If the fiction of 'The King in Yellow' isn't real in the world of 'True Detective', it seems to me that the mythos might be very real in this world, and so far, investigations both past and present have never mentioned a connection to a book written in 1895.
 
2014-02-23 01:48:26 AM

DamnYankees: naughtyrev: My take: we're in for the ultimate setup. This isn't a police/mystery drama, this is a horror series. The spaghetti guy chasing the girl was real. Rust sees the beast and that's what changes him.

I've seen this theory as well. That this is actually a fantasy/magical realism show which is just waiting a long time to show that side of itself. All I can say it that I'd find this unsatisfying.

I thought the "spaghetti man" was satisfying (and terrifyingly) dealt with in the final shot of episode 3, where we see Ledoux with the gas mask.


Ledoux also has a swastika made from an octopus on his chest, I think it's more Lovecraft imagery than anything else.  Now the kids over on reddit - who have way WAY too much time on their hands - have tied in Lovecraft, who uses Dagon as an Old God that looks like a fish, to a similar God in the bible. The philistines are worshipping Dagon (also a fish god) when Samson kills himself and all of them by bringing the temple down.  This story takes place in Judges 16:29 which also happens to be on the church wall in episode 2.  This is all part of some overarching fish cult theory and how Rust is going to sacrifice himself to help solve the case
 
2014-02-23 01:48:46 AM

vygramul: I've never been a particular fan of McConaughey, but he's farking great in this and that scene is just an example of it.


He's moved past his pretty boy stage. Check out "Mud".
 
2014-02-23 01:50:40 AM

Lord of the Highway: If in fact the killer/killers/cult were only inspired by the real world Chambers and 'The King in Yellow', would it not make sense that the detectives would have made the connection to the murders, Chambers and his short story by now?


In the 1990s timeline, the internet was still not entirely a thing and it's hard to imagine a bunch of Loiusiana cops being familiar with obscure works of horror from the 19th Century. Sure today Chole could just punch that girl's journal into Google and bingo, but 1990s Chole probably never would have thought of that.

So it actually might be harder to suspend disbelief if they *did* actually make the connection.
 
2014-02-23 01:53:55 AM
What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.
 
2014-02-23 01:55:48 AM
What do you guys think came out of this?

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2014-02-23 01:56:53 AM

elguerodiablo: What do you guys think came out of this?

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Came out? Wasn't that just part of the decoration in the initial murder scene?
 
2014-02-23 01:58:52 AM

DamnYankees: elguerodiablo: What do you guys think came out of this?

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Came out? Wasn't that just part of the decoration in the initial murder scene?


That scene was in 2002, years after the murder. That wreath spiral thing wasn't there then.

DamnYankees: What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.


I don't think was a church, it was a Sunday School-type place. All the more reason to suspect the reverend.
 
2014-02-23 02:03:29 AM

gilgigamesh: DamnYankees: vygramul: True, and that actually puts a damper on this 5-cops hypothesis. That seems too easy, too.

But I think there has to be a tie-in with that photo of 5 horseman. I remember they lingered on that for a while, and never talked about it. It's such a weird photo. It can't be random.

That actually may be a red herring. Iirc that was in Eunice, LA, and that was a depiction of how they celebrate Mardi Gras there. A photo like that, odd as it may seem out of context, would actually be fairly commonplace.


I am actually from Eunice (getting a kick), and that photo was not at all odd to me. They did their homework there, it's authentic.

The scene with the abandoned church was a bit off though, no way that was shot anywhere near Eunice. Still, it's clear the writers have spent some time in the area. It's very well done.
 
2014-02-23 02:03:49 AM

DamnYankees: What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.


Devil Traps can be used as wards or as spell amplifiers.  I just took it to show that a ritual had taken place there and to show Rust that the cult was still active.

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/true-detective/232572/jinx-dawson-of-cove n- recognizes-devil-trap-from-hbo-s-true-detective
 
2014-02-23 02:05:03 AM

Confabulat: In the 1990s timeline, the internet was still not entirely a thing and it's hard to imagine a bunch of Loiusiana cops being familiar with obscure works of horror from the 19th Century. Sure today Chole could just punch that girl's journal into Google and bingo, but 1990s Chole probably never would have thought of that.

So it actually might be harder to suspend disbelief if they *did* actually make the connection.


I agree regarding the 90's timeline.  But with so much screen time spent in the present... with the questioning/interrogations of Hart and Cohle by Gilbough and Papina, one might think it would have been brought up in the connection to the most recent ritual killing that they seem pretty clueless on, other than thinking Cohle may be the killer.
 
2014-02-23 02:05:12 AM

elguerodiablo: DamnYankees: What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.

Devil Traps can be used as wards or as spell amplifiers.  I just took it to show that a ritual had taken place there and to show Rust that the cult was still active.

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/true-detective/232572/jinx-dawson-of-cove n- recognizes-devil-trap-from-hbo-s-true-detective


So we're assuming there is a real cult now? Not just 2-3 nut jobs?
 
2014-02-23 02:06:02 AM
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They obviously don't figure it out, this guy is still looking for the King in Yellow 38,000 years later...

/didn't realize it was a literary reference until people started talking about it in connection to this show
//Shouldn't be surprised I guess, a good chunk of the stuff that shows up in the book in question is...
///I guess if it's free on Kindle I may as well give it a read while Abnett drags his feet on the next Eisenhorn/Ravenor book...
////possibly obscure?
 
2014-02-23 02:15:46 AM

DamnYankees: elguerodiablo: DamnYankees: What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.

Devil Traps can be used as wards or as spell amplifiers.  I just took it to show that a ritual had taken place there and to show Rust that the cult was still active.

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/true-detective/232572/jinx-dawson-of-cove n- recognizes-devil-trap-from-hbo-s-true-detective

So we're assuming there is a real cult now? Not just 2-3 nut jobs?


Yeah going by what Charlie Lange said about the group of rich men doing satanic sacrifices in the woods.
 
2014-02-23 02:16:22 AM

DamnYankees: elguerodiablo: DamnYankees: What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.

Devil Traps can be used as wards or as spell amplifiers.  I just took it to show that a ritual had taken place there and to show Rust that the cult was still active.

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/true-detective/232572/jinx-dawson-of-cove n- recognizes-devil-trap-from-hbo-s-true-detective

So we're assuming there is a real cult now? Not just 2-3 nut jobs?


I'd say there's at least 5 guys in on it.  That's why we keep seeing that number pop up and all the mentions of the stars.  I also think that Rust is getting a feel for whether these guys talking to him are part of it, he asks them how they kept it out of the papers then calls them company men and walks out.  I think the article has some merit.
 
2014-02-23 02:25:51 AM

HawgWild: I haven't watched the show yet, and I deliberately avoid anything written about it.

I take it I should start watching ...


You should. McConaughey could very well be the first person in 20 years to win an Oscar and an Emmy in the same year.
 
2014-02-23 02:36:15 AM

elguerodiablo: What do you guys think came out of this?

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Because it appeared hollow inside the hole, rather than just a wreath on a solid surface, am wondering if it's an Alice-in-Wonderland metaphor, inviting, tempting, luring and warning its intended audience (cops?  Cohle specifically?) that those who dare enter the killer's world are in for some seriously bizarre shiat.
 
2014-02-23 03:17:11 AM
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2014-02-23 05:36:14 AM
SPOILER if you haven't seen any of it:


I think everyone involved in the "circle" has been watching Rust for years; hoping that he - this super keen existential mess will ultimately clean up their network of unwanteds and hopefully by way of all the killing he himself could be edged into doing become one of them.  I also think the King himself changes; it's just a title after all - at one point Tuttle might have been the king but Rust probably took him out but that immediately someone else took his place; maybe Rust himself is in unknown contention for the Crown; that the darker forces have been as aware of him as he's been of them and all along they've all but rooted for him knowing their network is too large for him to do anything but destroy himself against.

This is the best show I've seen in years - hours before it's on I can hardly stand it then I can hardly sleep after seeing it.  Three more weeks!
 
2014-02-23 05:58:55 AM
Hart does say that everybody in those parts has a religion.

He just doesn't say what kind.
 
2014-02-23 06:43:29 AM

vygramul: DamnYankees: vygramul: That was a great scene. I've never been a particular fan of McConaughey, but he's farking great in this and that scene is just an example of it.

You been watching him the last few years? He's turned into one of the best actors alive right now. Mud, Magic Mike, The Wolf of Wall Street are all farking great performances. He's also supposedly great in Killer Joe and Dallas Buyers Club but I haven't seen those.

Was Mud good? I was tempted by the reviews.


Mud is awesome. MM plays dark & tortured at its finest. The kid actors were surprising good too (take note kid who plays Carl).

I'm still thinking Marty but never picked up on the photo or the can men. The Barbie thing has always bothered me. Just frigging creepy. So now I'm thinking Marty and the boys get along better than they lead on. I don't know about Tuttle. But I think Marty is key and his daughter is actin out because of what she knows about her dad. She made a comment about not looking like he wants women to
look. Sounds like a jab at his affair but maybe it's more sinister.
 
2014-02-23 07:32:27 AM

elguerodiablo: What do you guys think came out of this?

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another flat circle - like the beer can Rust crushes, and the spiral tattoos, and the new style lenses on the cameras they are being taped with in the interviews.
everything is repeating itself, even at the site of their 1st body, and not a damn thing can be done to stop it.
 
2014-02-23 07:43:10 AM
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2014-02-23 08:21:21 AM

Blues_X: DamnYankees: aiiee: One of the best scenes I've seen in a long time:  Rust and Dr girlfriend watching tv and all she does is go from channel to channel.  Not a word said but the scene spoke volumes.


Can you expand on that? I'm missing the genius there. Seemed like a pretty normal b-roll scene to me.


It showed his growing detachment, instead of warming up to the relationship. Same planets different worlds. All that.


Here is my take on that scene...

I think that Rust has been undercover all this time. The new detectives mention that he has been off the grid for the past several years. I think he knows that he is going to have to leave her to go back undercover and he is contemplating that while she is sitting there happy just to be with him.

It is either that or he has been under over through the whole te (even when he was with the state police) which explains to me his spartan living conditions at his apartment.

Either way, that scene with the girlfriend made me incredibly sad even before I figured out why. It was brilliant.
 
2014-02-23 08:24:39 AM

elvisaintdead: vygramul:

Another alternative is of course that Marty actually did it - he's more farked up than Cole is.

Marty would make a much better answer. He was all farked up before the first guy, and he started slipping when his daughter became my kind of woman.

Not that I'm fully buying Marty is the guy, but here's a couple of things to ponder -
- Marty's F-I-L seems to be rich and powerful man - just the type that would be part of the group in the swamp
           doing the killings with the Yellow King
- just before he aerates Ledoux's head, the camera hung for just a beat as the two shared a glance.  Did Ledoux
           recognize Marty?  Marty could have been brought along by FIL to one of those 'meetings' down in the
           swamp
- Marty is(was) a blonde, and the only really yellow blonde (if memory serves) in the cast
- the stars on the Lone Star cans are yellow and make the can figures' heads yellow as well


To your first point, Marty's also popular. He has a lot of influence - Rust was kept on largely because of Marty's vouching for him. Marty also got a promotion while Rust only got a commendation.

Then again, why would Marty want the most meticulous outsider? Maybe Marty's trying to figure out who's gone off the cult reservation?

I don't totally buy into that either, but it's a better fit and less dissatisfying a notion than Rust.
 
2014-02-23 08:27:58 AM

DamnYankees: elvisaintdead: - Marty's F-I-L seems to be rich and powerful man - just the type that would be part of the group in the swamp
           doing the killings with the Yellow King

This is one of the reasons I really don't like the theory in TFA; it just reminds me of Hot Fuzz. This theory basically lets us propose a conspiracy theory whereby every powerful person in the storyline is part of a mass conspiracy to be in a cult? I'm not saying it can't be true, just that I don't see evidence of it, and that doesn't seem like the show I've been watching.


It is like Hot Fuzz, but it's also like Shadow Over Innsmouth. And if they're doing more horror than the Yellow King references, then it might fit, especially if it's not just the town leaders who are in on it.
 
2014-02-23 08:29:20 AM

DamnYankees: Snapper Carr: Is it me or has Matthew McConaughey really improved as an actor over the last few years? I used to see him as kind of a likeable but definitely one note performer but everything he's been in from Killer Joe on, he's been phenomenal.

I'm not sure if he's improved his acting (he's always been good, even in stupid or bad movies), so much as he seems to have decided to just take more interesting work. Maybe he got to a point where he said "I've made enough money, now I'm interested in exploring the art more".


I think he has improved since A Time to Kill. But, then, maybe there was way too much pretty-boy talk about how awesome he was and it set my expectations higher than he could meet.
 
2014-02-23 08:33:18 AM

DamnYankees: ItchyMcDoogle: I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.

I don't think this is it. TD so far has not shown itself to be the kind of show where they do this kind of "gotcha" twist. The family stuff is pretty straight up character drama; there's no additional explanation needed for 'why' his daughter is screwed up. They have a screwed up family. To introduce some plot line where they are actually involved in the murders would actually undermine the themes of the show.


Also, if the reports are correct, each new season will have a new cast and new story. They would have a long way to go in three episodes to develop this into something too much deeper than what we've seen.
 
2014-02-23 08:35:46 AM

Confabulat: I mentioned this in a thread about Ukraine the other day but it still amuses me so I'll type it again. The other day I was talking on the phone to my 78-year-old Ukrainian mother about the protests going on over there and she hadn't heard the first thing about it. This didn't surprise me cause my mom is 78 years old and doesn't really keep up with current events; even 30 years ago she pretty much only watched daytime soap operas and Quincy, so you know, that's my sweet old clueless mom. So I was telling her about what I knew about events in Ukraine and I said something about how history repeats itself. Mom immediately replies, "Well it's like Rust Chole said in True Detective last week, time is like a flat circle" and my mind was blown.

I was like Mom did you just drop a Rust Chole quote on me in a conversation about a completely unrelated matter? My hippest friends aren't that hippy hip!

It's made me reassess everything I thought I knew about the woman. Now I need to get her to make me a mix tape or something.


That's really funny.

I was watching when my housemate came in, heard them say something about the Yellow King and he laughed and said, "Carcosa?" I replied, "You've been watching?" He went from thinking he witnessed an unoriginal theft to a real show connection and started watching.
 
2014-02-23 08:36:28 AM

Confabulat: I mentioned this in a thread about Ukraine the other day but it still amuses me so I'll type it again. The other day I was talking on the phone to my 78-year-old Ukrainian mother about the protests going on over there and she hadn't heard the first thing about it. This didn't surprise me cause my mom is 78 years old and doesn't really keep up with current events; even 30 years ago she pretty much only watched daytime soap operas and Quincy, so you know, that's my sweet old clueless mom. So I was telling her about what I knew about events in Ukraine and I said something about how history repeats itself. Mom immediately replies, "Well it's like Rust Chole said in True Detective last week, time is like a flat circle" and my mind was blown.

I was like Mom did you just drop a Rust Chole quote on me in a conversation about a completely unrelated matter? My hippest friends aren't that hippy hip!

It's made me reassess everything I thought I knew about the woman. Now I need to get her to make me a mix tape or something.


I absolutely love that you mom said that! I think that made my day!
 
2014-02-23 08:37:16 AM

Confabulat: DamnYankees: What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.


I don't think was a church, it was a Sunday School-type place. All the more reason to suspect the reverend.


I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?
 
2014-02-23 08:38:22 AM

Occam's Disposable Razor: gilgigamesh: DamnYankees: vygramul: True, and that actually puts a damper on this 5-cops hypothesis. That seems too easy, too.

But I think there has to be a tie-in with that photo of 5 horseman. I remember they lingered on that for a while, and never talked about it. It's such a weird photo. It can't be random.

That actually may be a red herring. Iirc that was in Eunice, LA, and that was a depiction of how they celebrate Mardi Gras there. A photo like that, odd as it may seem out of context, would actually be fairly commonplace.

I am actually from Eunice (getting a kick), and that photo was not at all odd to me. They did their homework there, it's authentic.

The scene with the abandoned church was a bit off though, no way that was shot anywhere near Eunice. Still, it's clear the writers have spent some time in the area. It's very well done.


This is part of why nothing's obscure on Fark. Who'd have expected we'd have someone from Eunice on here?
 
2014-02-23 08:39:11 AM
maybe it's because the whole Yellow King article colored my perception,  but was Rust a very yellow-ish color in the last episode? There's always been a yellow filter being used, but it seemed very pronounced in the last episode. I'm not sure I really buy either Marty or Rust as the perpetrator, though I can see Rust being turned into the Yellow King.
 
2014-02-23 08:39:33 AM

DamnYankees: elguerodiablo: DamnYankees: What do people make of the plot significance of the last scene of the most recent episode, with Rust going through the church and then finding all those devil catchers. What this supposed to be a plot twist? I was confused what we were supposed to think that meant, narratively.

Devil Traps can be used as wards or as spell amplifiers.  I just took it to show that a ritual had taken place there and to show Rust that the cult was still active.

http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/true-detective/232572/jinx-dawson-of-cove n- recognizes-devil-trap-from-hbo-s-true-detective

So we're assuming there is a real cult now? Not just 2-3 nut jobs?


To be fair, it did seem that Marty and the Madam had an almost familiar interaction, didn't they? Now I want to watch that scene again.
 
2014-02-23 08:42:08 AM

vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?


it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery
 
2014-02-23 08:42:18 AM

Sinbox: [assets.darknessbecomesyou.com image 850x478]


One thing: I think they wouldn't have moved the boy's body had he been dead. But, then, I don't know that Louisiana in the '90s really felt they needed to do all that much recording of the crime scene.
 
2014-02-23 08:44:44 AM

elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery


Could be. Then again, the kid who mows my lawn doesn't know what I do in my house.
 
2014-02-23 08:45:38 AM
From the first time he made an appearance, I knew that Reverend Tuttle was somehow involved, but I'll admit that I didn't include the Task Force in the mix.


Show is brilliant.
 
2014-02-23 08:45:47 AM
I think the key here is madness. Everyone who gets too close to the heart of the mystery goes nuts---as it is with the fictional play "The King in Yellow"

So Rust and Marty might not have been in on it from the beginning but I'd put money on at least one of them going to the dark side by the end of the season.
 
2014-02-23 08:46:30 AM

MutantMotherMouse: vygramul: DamnYankees: vygramul: That was a great scene. I've never been a particular fan of McConaughey, but he's farking great in this and that scene is just an example of it.

You been watching him the last few years? He's turned into one of the best actors alive right now. Mud, Magic Mike, The Wolf of Wall Street are all farking great performances. He's also supposedly great in Killer Joe and Dallas Buyers Club but I haven't seen those.

Was Mud good? I was tempted by the reviews.

Mud is awesome. MM plays dark & tortured at its finest. The kid actors were surprising good too (take note kid who plays Carl).

I'm still thinking Marty but never picked up on the photo or the can men. The Barbie thing has always bothered me. Just frigging creepy. So now I'm thinking Marty and the boys get along better than they lead on. I don't know about Tuttle. But I think Marty is key and his daughter is actin out because of what she knows about her dad. She made a comment about not looking like he wants women to
look. Sounds like a jab at his affair but maybe it's more sinister.


See, I think Marty is clueless and that Maggie's dad is in the group, if not the King in Yellow. How many times has Marty said "the answer is right in front on me but I could not see it?" I think that he still has not figured it out but, to me, hints that it is close to him. That explains the Barbie rape scene and the dirty pictures drawn at school. Add in her acting out in high school and I feel she has to been exposed to the group but I just do not think it was Marty based on his reactions to both incidents.
 
2014-02-23 08:48:41 AM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I can't believe The King in Yellow Mythos is basically going mainstream.


Um, it's been mainstream for quite a while, most of us call it the Cthulhu Mythos, though.

Admittedly, I'm not really sure why since the King figures pretty prominently in 20 or 30 of the stories (even more than the Necronomicon) and Cthulhu in exactly one (apart from name-dropping), but still, it's apparently what we're calling it.

// Honestly, we should probably be calling it the Conan mythos since that's the path most of it took to get back into the main-stream of literature.
 
2014-02-23 08:50:44 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: I think the key here is madness. Everyone who gets too close to the heart of the mystery goes nuts---as it is with the fictional play "The King in Yellow"

So Rust and Marty might not have been in on it from the beginning but I'd put money on at least one of them going to the dark side by the end of the season.


I'm inclined to believe that Marty ends up dead and Rust ends up insane, like the end of any good Lovecraft work. To some degree, it could be that Rust's original cynicism goes from typical to realized and that's what destroys his sanity. I guess it would demonstrate that a cynic is an optimist who doesn't want to get their hopes up.
 
2014-02-23 08:51:21 AM

vygramul: elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery

Could be. Then again, the kid who mows my lawn doesn't know what I do in my house.


is your house big and abandonded and full of broken windows and doors?  :D
 
2014-02-23 08:52:57 AM

elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery


I think it was a public school.   Counties in Louisiana are called parishes.
 
2014-02-23 08:53:47 AM

vygramul: elvisaintdead: vygramul:

Another alternative is of course that Marty actually did it - he's more farked up than Cole is.

Marty would make a much better answer. He was all farked up before the first guy, and he started slipping when his daughter became my kind of woman.

Not that I'm fully buying Marty is the guy, but here's a couple of things to ponder -
- Marty's F-I-L seems to be rich and powerful man - just the type that would be part of the group in the swamp
           doing the killings with the Yellow King
- just before he aerates Ledoux's head, the camera hung for just a beat as the two shared a glance.  Did Ledoux
           recognize Marty?  Marty could have been brought along by FIL to one of those 'meetings' down in the
           swamp
- Marty is(was) a blonde, and the only really yellow blonde (if memory serves) in the cast
- the stars on the Lone Star cans are yellow and make the can figures' heads yellow as well

To your first point, Marty's also popular. He has a lot of influence - Rust was kept on largely because of Marty's vouching for him. Marty also got a promotion while Rust only got a commendation.

Then again, why would Marty want the most meticulous outsider? Maybe Marty's trying to figure out who's gone off the cult reservation?

I don't totally buy into that either, but it's a better fit and less dissatisfying a notion than Rust.


I wonder if Marty had hoped to groom Rust for their cult.
 
2014-02-23 08:55:21 AM

Lsherm: elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery

I think it was a public school.   Counties in Louisiana are called parishes.


I thought it was Catholic because of the statue of Mary under which Cohle goes to get to the room with the devil catchers. But back then, I could believe a Southern school still allowed blatant displays of religion.
 
2014-02-23 08:58:22 AM

MutantMotherMouse: vygramul: elvisaintdead: vygramul:

Another alternative is of course that Marty actually did it - he's more farked up than Cole is.

Marty would make a much better answer. He was all farked up before the first guy, and he started slipping when his daughter became my kind of woman.

Not that I'm fully buying Marty is the guy, but here's a couple of things to ponder -
- Marty's F-I-L seems to be rich and powerful man - just the type that would be part of the group in the swamp
           doing the killings with the Yellow King
- just before he aerates Ledoux's head, the camera hung for just a beat as the two shared a glance.  Did Ledoux
           recognize Marty?  Marty could have been brought along by FIL to one of those 'meetings' down in the
           swamp
- Marty is(was) a blonde, and the only really yellow blonde (if memory serves) in the cast
- the stars on the Lone Star cans are yellow and make the can figures' heads yellow as well

To your first point, Marty's also popular. He has a lot of influence - Rust was kept on largely because of Marty's vouching for him. Marty also got a promotion while Rust only got a commendation.

Then again, why would Marty want the most meticulous outsider? Maybe Marty's trying to figure out who's gone off the cult reservation?

I don't totally buy into that either, but it's a better fit and less dissatisfying a notion than Rust.

I wonder if Marty had hoped to groom Rust for their cult.


Possibly. But a cult, no matter what flavor or manifestation, seems too complicated an answer to explore in three episodes. Then again, movies have done a lot in two hours. Three is plenty.
 
2014-02-23 08:59:45 AM

Lsherm: Counties in Louisiana are called parishes.


true dat.  I want to say in a pull-back shot they showed the marquis for the schools and it was a "St. somethingsoranother" - an instantly identifiable catholic name.  but that could be my imagination.

also, here's a couple of pics I yanked off of Paste supporting marty being the killer:
www.pastemagazine.com
antlers


www.pastemagazine.com
the spiral (flat circle) in the kitchen


here's the link  - worth a read

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/02/the-true-detective-wee k- five-nerd-out.html
 
2014-02-23 09:03:10 AM

elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery


A parish in Louisiana is basically a county. In this case, it's not related to religion.
 
2014-02-23 09:03:51 AM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: See, I think Marty is clueless and that Maggie's dad is in the group, if not the King in Yellow. How many times has Marty said "the answer is right in front on me but I could not see it?" I think that he still has not figured it out but, to me, hints that it is close to him. That explains the Barbie rape scene and the dirty pictures drawn at school. Add in her acting out in high school and I feel she has to been exposed to the group but I just do not think it was Marty based on his reactions to both incidents.


I find it interesting that the show has repeatedly alluded to the girls killing themselves or one another: the scene with the fishing lines on the canoe, the fight over the tiara, the disturbing silence from Audrey's room after the fight with her parents.

Since I'm inclined to think there is a slow buildup to genuine supernatural mindfark horror going on here, I wouldn't be surprised if whatever "shadow" is supposedly following Rust has cast itself over Marty's family.
 
2014-02-23 09:05:23 AM

elvisaintdead: Lsherm: Counties in Louisiana are called parishes.

true dat.  I want to say in a pull-back shot they showed the marquis for the schools and it was a "St. somethingsoranother" - an instantly identifiable catholic name.  but that could be my imagination.

also, here's a couple of pics I yanked off of Paste supporting marty being the killer:
[www.pastemagazine.com image 550x327]
antlers


[www.pastemagazine.com image 550x420]
the spiral (flat circle) in the kitchen


here's the link  - worth a read

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/02/the-true-detective-wee k- five-nerd-out.html


The antlers are a stretch. The spiral, however... set designs are intentional. Then again, HBO knows the Internet does this. Maybe it was there as a head-fake.
 
2014-02-23 09:05:29 AM
So, has anyone mentioned yet that the Yellow King is one of Hastur's names from the Cthulhu Mythos? More specifically, the King in Yellow, but still...
 
2014-02-23 09:07:18 AM
elvisaintdead:

[www.pastemagazine.com image 550x420]
the spiral (flat circle) in the kitchen


that does seem to support the idea that Marty's daughter knows something (it was obviously drawn by her), but I still wouldn't say Marty necessarily knows anything. It's possible his father in law his connections, but I don't think he thinks too highly of Marty.
 
2014-02-23 09:09:37 AM
I like the theory presented in the link - but I'm very intrigued by the Marty speculations and supporting evidence into it.  Seems like it's just 'TOO' obvious for Chole to be YK - his oddness from everyone around him makes him an easy frame, but I just don't see it.

Random notes:

- HBO is taking an American Horror Story route with this series, and 1.) this is awesome, and 2.)  I just hope they don't go with the shiatty endings AHS seems intent on.  The story seems far to intricate for them to drop the ball with it like AHS does. (Can anyone explain the farking Aliens from AHS: Asylum....anyone?)  But I am wondering what happened to drive Cohle to the sad life he clearly seems to be living.

- McConaughey needs to give a big, giant fat raise to whoever is picking scripts for him:  He really has turned out phenomenal work over the past few years.  And unless the Dern 'deserves it for longevity' vote reigns supreme, The Oscar this year is MM's to lose (He really does blow the doors off - as does Leto.)

- TD should mop the floor for mini series Emmies:  Aside from acting - the makeup people have managed to make MM look....invisible. (Present day Chole looks so non-descript he's very 'ignorable':  Having seen MM in person....that guy is dropping your jaw with his physical perfection and billion dollar grin.)  Thank GOD it's an anthology, so should easily fit into the mini series like AHS does - because NOTHING will beat Cranston/BB in drama this year...and MM deserves every award they can throw at him for his stellar work.

- I heard the WoW Chest Thump was something MM does to get into character, Scorsese loved it, and it was added to that scene - and it was awesome!  (Honestly, MM's 5 minutes in WoW was 10 times more memorable and better than Cooper's work in American Hustle...but felating AH seems to be some weird bender Hollywood is on....but MM could have easily taken Cooper's supporting actor slot with his part in WoW and I wouldn't have been the least bit disappointed.  And, before anyone says it was too short - Dench did win for what...7 minutes of screen time in Shakespeare in Love?)
 
2014-02-23 09:11:38 AM

Jim_Callahan: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I can't believe The King in Yellow Mythos is basically going mainstream.

Um, it's been mainstream for quite a while, most of us call it the Cthulhu Mythos, though.

Admittedly, I'm not really sure why since the King figures pretty prominently in 20 or 30 of the stories (even more than the Necronomicon) and Cthulhu in exactly one (apart from name-dropping), but still, it's apparently what we're calling it.

// Honestly, we should probably be calling it the Conan mythos since that's the path most of it took to get back into the main-stream of literature.


No, I wouldn't call it mainstream, not at all.  That average TV watchers are learning about it and you're getting articles in magazines?  That's entirely new for the Chalmers stuff.
 
2014-02-23 09:18:23 AM

Jizz Master Zero: elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery

A parish in Louisiana is basically a county. In this case, it's not related to religion.


Ugh, never mind. Just saw the other post mentioning it. Trying to do long threads on an iPad is near impossible when it refreshes every time I move away from the tab.
 
2014-02-23 09:23:59 AM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: No, I wouldn't call it mainstream, not at all.  That average TV watchers are learning about it and you're getting articles in magazines?  That's entirely new for the Chalmers stuff.


Eh, everyone's familiar with the core elements -- sinister supernatural forces up every tree, things man was not meant to know, writings that drive the reader mad, etc.  It was a major plot or setting element in basically every third movie made in the '70s, and yes I'm including the porn.  Chalmers was mostly riffing on Bierce, too, and he's not exactly an obscure literary figure either.

The only reason you didn't see it in the 80s and 90s is that horror and pulp literature in general kinda got comics-coded out of existence in the '80s and the attempt to revive it in the 90s was so far up its own ass that the geometry qualified it as an outer god in itself until we got back into the swing of it (or rather picked up where we'd left off) in the early '00s.

// Requiring that everyone be able to list off individual Mythos writers and characters as a prerequisite for it being main-stream is a bit like saying War and Peace isn't a well-known and influential part of western literature because the average person cant' list all eleventy billion characters by heart.
 
2014-02-23 09:28:59 AM

Jizz Master Zero: Trying to do long threads on an iPad is near impossible when it refreshes every time I move away from the tab.


What kills me is that the image you briefly get is accurate. Why the need to refresh? It's not like it doesn't have enough memory. It's one of the irritating "features" of iOS, apparently.
 
2014-02-23 09:35:51 AM

Blues_X: If anyone is interested, The King In Yellow for the kindle is free at Amazon.


I've already power read through it since last weekend and I am definitely looking forward to the third act of the show where the shiat will truly hit the fan.
 
2014-02-23 09:36:54 AM
Am I mistaken in remembering that Hart shot Ledoux before Ledoux had a chance to lay eyes on him?
 
2014-02-23 09:42:00 AM

Slow To Return: Am I mistaken in remembering that Hart shot Ledoux before Ledoux had a chance to lay eyes on him?


I thought Ledoux turned his head to look at him and might have got a moment to see. But considering that Cohle was yelling, "MARTY!" and these were state cops, I'd bet if Ledoux knew him, he'd have a pretty good idea who it was even without seeing.
 
2014-02-23 10:07:33 AM
The King in Yellow is Fluttershy.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-23 10:14:41 AM

Sinbox: To listen to while you read:

Every song excerpted on the show to this point:

American Life
Are You Alright?
Bring It To Jerome
Cajun Born
Casey's Last Ride
Clan In Da Front (NSFW lyrics)
Does My Ring Burn Your Finger?
Eli
Far From Any Road
(A) History of Bad Men
Holy Mountain
If I Live, Or If I Die
Illegal Business
I'm A One-Woman Man
Kingdom of Heaven
Meet Me In The Alley
One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer
Raining In My Heart
Rocks + Gravel
Sign of the Judgment
Stand By Me
Sur Le Borde De L'Eau
The Brain Center At Whipples
The Train Song
Tired of Waiting For You
Unfriendly Woman
You Better Run (To The City of Refuge)
Young Men Dead

Cannot wait for tonight. It's been years since I've been THIS involved in a new TV programme.


Just pointing out that you missed a song. This was the song that played during credits right after the bad ass 6 minute constant shoot.

Honey Bee (Let's Fly to Mars) - Grinderman

/Love me some Nick Cave. I was ecstatic they picked that song...it was PERFECT for closing out that intense scene.
 
2014-02-23 10:15:02 AM

vygramul: Sinbox: [assets.darknessbecomesyou.com image 850x478]

One thing: I think they wouldn't have moved the boy's body had he been dead. But, then, I don't know that Louisiana in the '90s really felt they needed to do all that much recording of the crime scene.


Yeah, when I was a journalism major (prior to switching majors for reasons neither here nor there), we were instructed never to attempt to place pictures of deceased persons on the front page...ever.

But again, it's (damn good) fiction.

As for the quesition waaaaay above re: should the poster start watching:: habitually I DVR the shows I enjoy by the season and view them in a marathon. This show is so good and the pilot episode so strong that I just...couldn't...do it. The compulsion to watch is that strong.  That's never ever happened before. Even for shows I thought were can't-stop-watching good.
 
2014-02-23 10:17:36 AM

vygramul: Slow To Return: Am I mistaken in remembering that Hart shot Ledoux before Ledoux had a chance to lay eyes on him?

I thought Ledoux turned his head to look at him and might have got a moment to see. But considering that Cohle was yelling, "MARTY!" and these were state cops, I'd bet if Ledoux knew him, he'd have a pretty good idea who it was even without seeing.


LeDoux was on 50 kinds of God knows what at the time:  Someone that high might have difficulty recognizing themselves.  lol
 
2014-02-23 10:17:56 AM
Cortez the Killer:

Just pointing out that you missed a song. This was the song that played during credits right after the bad ass 6 minute constant shoot.

Honey Bee (Let's Fly to Mars) - Grinderman

/Love me some Nick Cave. I was ecstatic they picked that song...it was PERFECT for closing out that intense scene.


D'oh!

When you're correct...you're correct! And you...ARE...correct!

rectified in my files.

Thank you.

As big of a Nick Cave fanatic as I am, I'll double the flagellation period for today for that oversight.
 
2014-02-23 10:18:11 AM

Sinbox: vygramul: Sinbox: [assets.darknessbecomesyou.com image 850x478]

One thing: I think they wouldn't have moved the boy's body had he been dead. But, then, I don't know that Louisiana in the '90s really felt they needed to do all that much recording of the crime scene.

Yeah, when I was a journalism major (prior to switching majors for reasons neither here nor there), we were instructed never to attempt to place pictures of deceased persons on the front page...ever.

But again, it's (damn good) fiction.

As for the quesition waaaaay above re: should the poster start watching:: habitually I DVR the shows I enjoy by the season and view them in a marathon. This show is so good and the pilot episode so strong that I just...couldn't...do it. The compulsion to watch is that strong.  That's never ever happened before. Even for shows I thought were can't-stop-watching good.


Agreed. I'm not much of a TV watcher in the first place, but I can't get enough of this show. I find myself watching the DVRs over and over.

/So excited the monkey is getting a fix tonight!!!
 
2014-02-23 10:22:38 AM

ItchyMcDoogle: I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.

I don't think Rust has anything to do with it and is just trying to find out what the heck is going on and who the killers are. But then agian Rust is majorly farked up( Hallucinations, Heavy Drug Use when undercover and pill popper in the early episodes, Very farked up former home life and work life when he worked narco),. Id be really surprised if it turns out Rust had anything to do with it. But still the guy has deep issues.

Im both bummed that there are only 3 episodes left but I want to see them dammit. But I agree its nice to have a week to chew on the episodes since they give you so much to think on

Great Show I hope it finishes off great that has me the most worried is how it will end


Holy crap, I forgot all about the daughter's Barbie/Ken dolls and the drawings.   That ties in with her behavior as a teen. She was raped as a child but somehow survived and didn't tell anyone about it, because it was Marty, her Dad, who she loved, who turned her over to the rapists.
 
2014-02-23 10:23:55 AM

Cortez the Killer: So excited the monkey is getting a fix tonight!!!


A-yup.

A-yup.

A-yup.
 
2014-02-23 10:28:19 AM

BeatrixK: vygramul: Slow To Return: Am I mistaken in remembering that Hart shot Ledoux before Ledoux had a chance to lay eyes on him?

I thought Ledoux turned his head to look at him and might have got a moment to see. But considering that Cohle was yelling, "MARTY!" and these were state cops, I'd bet if Ledoux knew him, he'd have a pretty good idea who it was even without seeing.

LeDoux was on 50 kinds of God knows what at the time:  Someone that high might have difficulty recognizing themselves.  lol


True enough. I was really responding to whether Ledoux had opportunity to recognize, not mental faculty to recognize.
 
2014-02-23 11:00:15 AM

aiiee: ItchyMcDoogle: I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.

I don't think Rust has anything to do with it and is just trying to find out what the heck is going on and who the killers are. But then agian Rust is majorly farked up( Hallucinations, Heavy Drug Use when undercover and pill popper in the early episodes, Very farked up former home life and work life when he worked narco),. Id be really surprised if it turns out Rust had anything to do with it. But still the guy has deep issues.

Im both bummed that there are only 3 episodes left but I want to see them dammit. But I agree its nice to have a week to chew on the episodes since they give you so much to think on

Great Show I hope it finishes off great that has me the most worried is how it will end

Holy crap, I forgot all about the daughter's Barbie/Ken dolls and the drawings.   That ties in with her behavior as a teen. She was raped as a child but somehow survived and didn't tell anyone about it, because it was Marty, her Dad, who she loved, who turned her over to the rapists.


No farking way.

Grandpa maybe?  I'm going to go back and watch the lake house scene.
 
2014-02-23 11:15:47 AM

HawgWild: I haven't watched the show yet, and I deliberately avoid anything written about it.

I take it I should start watching ...


Really, one of the finest television experiences I've ever had. I hadn't paid any attention to it until I started seeing it mentioned everywhere on the internet and decided to give it a try. Woody and Mat weren't a consideration because I've never been a fan of Woody and I've never consciously seen Mat in anything.

So I decided to HBO-GO the first four episodes and I was hooked *instantly* -- INSTANTLY. The performances of the actors are beyond incredible and the cinematography reminds you why it is called the ART of film-making.

Do yourself a favor and watch the show.

Do you
 
2014-02-23 11:27:11 AM
necronomica.files.wordpress.com

You might go mad from the revelation

/for shame, Farkers.
 
2014-02-23 11:51:41 AM

vygramul: Occam's Disposable Razor: gilgigamesh: DamnYankees: vygramul: True, and that actually puts a damper on this 5-cops hypothesis. That seems too easy, too.

But I think there has to be a tie-in with that photo of 5 horseman. I remember they lingered on that for a while, and never talked about it. It's such a weird photo. It can't be random.

That actually may be a red herring. Iirc that was in Eunice, LA, and that was a depiction of how they celebrate Mardi Gras there. A photo like that, odd as it may seem out of context, would actually be fairly commonplace.

I am actually from Eunice (getting a kick), and that photo was not at all odd to me. They did their homework there, it's authentic.

The scene with the abandoned church was a bit off though, no way that was shot anywhere near Eunice. Still, it's clear the writers have spent some time in the area. It's very well done.

This is part of why nothing's obscure on Fark. Who'd have expected we'd have someone from Eunice on here?


Personally, I'm much more surprised by the fact that the rural little area where I grew up is the setting for this fantastic show. Lots of towns they mention during the investigation are so obscure that people from the northern part of the state probably haven't even heard of some of them. They nailed the culture, the pervasive Catholicism that underlies everything, even all the last names and family dynamics. Very odd choice of a setting, but it works for the story, and it sure is cool to see from another point of view.
 
2014-02-23 11:57:36 AM
Fark the story, let's talk how awesome that 5 minute steadycam/tracking shot was. That was up there with Touch of Evil opener for filmic geekdom imo.
 
2014-02-23 12:02:42 PM

deadsanta: Fark the story, let's talk how awesome that 5 minute steadycam/tracking shot was. That was up there with Touch of Evil opener for filmic geekdom imo.


It was 6 minutes, you philistine!
 
2014-02-23 12:02:47 PM

RoyHobbs22: aiiee: ItchyMcDoogle: I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.

I don't think Rust has anything to do with it and is just trying to find out what the heck is going on and who the killers are. But then agian Rust is majorly farked up( Hallucinations, Heavy Drug Use when undercover and pill popper in the early episodes, Very farked up former home life and work life when he worked narco),. Id be really surprised if it turns out Rust had anything to do with it. But still the guy has deep issues.

Im both bummed that there are only 3 episodes left but I want to see them dammit. But I agree its nice to have a week to chew on the episodes since they give you so much to think on

Great Show I hope it finishes off great that has me the most worried is how it will end

Holy crap, I forgot all about the daughter's Barbie/Ken dolls and the drawings.   That ties in with her behavior as a teen. She was raped as a child but somehow survived and didn't tell anyone about it, because it was Marty, her Dad, who she loved, who turned her over to the rapists.

No farking way.

Grandpa maybe?  I'm going to go back and watch the lake house scene.


Yeah I like Granpa too.  Didn't they say something about planning to leave the girls there for a short time but Maggie changed her mind?
 
2014-02-23 12:04:09 PM

Occam's Disposable Razor: vygramul: Occam's Disposable Razor: gilgigamesh: DamnYankees: vygramul: True, and that actually puts a damper on this 5-cops hypothesis. That seems too easy, too.

But I think there has to be a tie-in with that photo of 5 horseman. I remember they lingered on that for a while, and never talked about it. It's such a weird photo. It can't be random.

That actually may be a red herring. Iirc that was in Eunice, LA, and that was a depiction of how they celebrate Mardi Gras there. A photo like that, odd as it may seem out of context, would actually be fairly commonplace.

I am actually from Eunice (getting a kick), and that photo was not at all odd to me. They did their homework there, it's authentic.

The scene with the abandoned church was a bit off though, no way that was shot anywhere near Eunice. Still, it's clear the writers have spent some time in the area. It's very well done.

This is part of why nothing's obscure on Fark. Who'd have expected we'd have someone from Eunice on here?

Personally, I'm much more surprised by the fact that the rural little area where I grew up is the setting for this fantastic show. Lots of towns they mention during the investigation are so obscure that people from the northern part of the state probably haven't even heard of some of them. They nailed the culture, the pervasive Catholicism that underlies everything, even all the last names and family dynamics. Very odd choice of a setting, but it works for the story, and it sure is cool to see from another point of view.


Nic Pizalutto (sp?) the sole writer, hails from the area.
 
2014-02-23 12:28:52 PM

vygramul: Lsherm: elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery

I think it was a public school.   Counties in Louisiana are called parishes.

I thought it was Catholic because of the statue of Mary under which Cohle goes to get to the room with the devil catchers. But back then, I could believe a Southern school still allowed blatant displays of religion.


Did I hallucinate the scene where they say that the school was part of Tuttle's ministry? Or is everyone else forgetting?
 
2014-02-23 12:33:52 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: Did I hallucinate the scene where they say that the school was part of Tuttle's ministry? Or is everyone else forgetting?


No, I think you are correct.
 
2014-02-23 12:35:37 PM
Lawn mower guy said Tuttle ran it.
 
2014-02-23 12:39:00 PM

aiiee: RoyHobbs22: aiiee: ItchyMcDoogle: I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.

I don't think Rust has anything to do with it and is just trying to find out what the heck is going on and who the killers are. But then agian Rust is majorly farked up( Hallucinations, Heavy Drug Use when undercover and pill popper in the early episodes, Very farked up former home life and work life when he worked narco),. Id be really surprised if it turns out Rust had anything to do with it. But still the guy has deep issues.

Im both bummed that there are only 3 episodes left but I want to see them dammit. But I agree its nice to have a week to chew on the episodes since they give you so much to think on

Great Show I hope it finishes off great that has me the most worried is how it will end

Holy crap, I forgot all about the daughter's Barbie/Ken dolls and the drawings.   That ties in with her behavior as a teen. She was raped as a child but somehow survived and didn't tell anyone about it, because it was Marty, her Dad, who she loved, who turned her over to the rapists.

No farking way.

Grandpa maybe?  I'm going to go back and watch the lake house scene.

Yeah I like Granpa too.  Didn't they say something about planning to leave the girls there for a short time but Maggie changed her mind?


it could also be that the pictures and being a slut are from seeing daddy being a slut.
Or even mommy.  Maggie is a frigid biatch.
 
2014-02-23 12:39:07 PM
fc01.deviantart.net

has cthulhu made a appearance in the show?  i've been looking
 
2014-02-23 12:40:10 PM

silvervial: HawgWild: I haven't watched the show yet, and I deliberately avoid anything written about it.

I take it I should start watching ...

Really, one of the finest television experiences I've ever had. I hadn't paid any attention to it until I started seeing it mentioned everywhere on the internet and decided to give it a try. Woody and Mat weren't a consideration because I've never been a fan of Woody and I've never consciously seen Mat in anything.

So I decided to HBO-GO the first four episodes and I was hooked *instantly* -- INSTANTLY. The performances of the actors are beyond incredible and the cinematography reminds you why it is called the ART of film-making.

Do yourself a favor and watch the show.

Do you


Gotta agree with silvervial on this one:  I didn't see the first three episodes until a week after they'd aired - I'd heard about it, but also thought - meh....kinda over cop stuff.  But saw Dallas Buyer's club that weekend that TD was on a 'break' (I think it might have been the night Golden Globes aired...but there was a one week break in the schedule)..and have been impressed with Woody Harrelson for years (He seriously does not get his due as an actor.)  About a half hour in, I was hooked:  It's a seriously well-crafted, well acted, and beautifully shot show.

You will NOT be disappointed!
 
2014-02-23 12:53:58 PM

Confabulat: Zulu_as_Kono: Did I hallucinate the scene where they say that the school was part of Tuttle's ministry? Or is everyone else forgetting?

No, I think you are correct.


Whoops, I forgot that.  I still think "the parish" refers to the county government, since Tuttle clearly isn't Catholic.
 
2014-02-23 01:02:52 PM

Lsherm: Confabulat: Zulu_as_Kono: Did I hallucinate the scene where they say that the school was part of Tuttle's ministry? Or is everyone else forgetting?

No, I think you are correct.

Whoops, I forgot that.  I still think "the parish" refers to the county government, since Tuttle clearly isn't Catholic.


No, he's not and neither is the preacher Theriot. However, the iconography inside the Light of Way school is totally catholic, not evangelical Christian, and Theriot crosses himself, albeit backwards, when he is talking to Cohle, which struck me as strange.

Normally, there would be no Papist trappings anywhere around evangelicals. Hell, a lot of evangelicals don't even consider catholics to be "christian" -- though I have no idea why, since catholicism is the original christian church.

I'm still amazed that I am so obsessed with this show in only 5 episodes. This has never happened so quickly to me before. I think I've watched the first 5 eps at least four times since last week's episode aired and I'm still finding things I missed. This is a show where you *cannot* take your eyes from the screen or you miss something. You can't just have it on in the background or be messing on the internet or whatever while it's on, unless you just don't care about the deeper stuff (like my hubby, unfortunately).
 
2014-02-23 01:04:05 PM

Lsherm: I still think "the parish" refers to the county government


Yeah, that's pretty clear.
 
2014-02-23 01:04:10 PM

Lsherm: Confabulat: Zulu_as_Kono: Did I hallucinate the scene where they say that the school was part of Tuttle's ministry? Or is everyone else forgetting?

No, I think you are correct.

Whoops, I forgot that.  I still think "the parish" refers to the county government, since Tuttle clearly isn't Catholic.


I'd agree with you, when I watched that scene it never occurred to me as anything other than "county" terminology (but I grew up near Louisiana and am familiar with the word used like that).
 
2014-02-23 01:16:19 PM

silvervial: Hell, a lot of evangelicals don't even consider catholics to be "christian" -- though I have no idea why, since catholicism is the original christian church.


It's kind of the whole idea of Luther and the Reformation.  The Catholic Church was so corrupted that the Protestants had to get back to "real" Christianity.  Thus, many Protestants don't regard Catholics as "real" Christians.  That's obviously an over-simplification of history, but that's about the grasp most frothing Evangelicals have of it.
 
2014-02-23 01:24:22 PM

elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery


and parish just means county in LA, they have parishes? Not counties.
 
2014-02-23 01:25:12 PM

silvervial: Lsherm: Confabulat: Zulu_as_Kono: Did I hallucinate the scene where they say that the school was part of Tuttle's ministry? Or is everyone else forgetting?

No, I think you are correct.

Whoops, I forgot that.  I still think "the parish" refers to the county government, since Tuttle clearly isn't Catholic.

No, he's not and neither is the preacher Theriot. However, the iconography inside the Light of Way school is totally catholic, not evangelical Christian, and Theriot crosses himself, albeit backwards, when he is talking to Cohle, which struck me as strange.

Normally, there would be no Papist trappings anywhere around evangelicals. Hell, a lot of evangelicals don't even consider catholics to be "christian" -- though I have no idea why, since catholicism is the original christian church.

I'm still amazed that I am so obsessed with this show in only 5 episodes. This has never happened so quickly to me before. I think I've watched the first 5 eps at least four times since last week's episode aired and I'm still finding things I missed. This is a show where you *cannot* take your eyes from the screen or you miss something. You can't just have it on in the background or be messing on the internet or whatever while it's on, unless you just don't care about the deeper stuff (like my hubby, unfortunately).


The only show that guaranteed my rabid following in one episode more than this was HBO's Rome.
 
2014-02-23 01:26:58 PM

Hoban Washburne: silvervial: Hell, a lot of evangelicals don't even consider catholics to be "christian" -- though I have no idea why, since catholicism is the original christian church.

It's kind of the whole idea of Luther and the Reformation.  The Catholic Church was so corrupted that the Protestants had to get back to "real" Christianity.  Thus, many Protestants don't regard Catholics as "real" Christians.  That's obviously an over-simplification of history, but that's about the grasp most frothing Evangelicals have of it.


They also deeply misunderstand Catholic reverence for Mary, which they believe to be idol worship, when in reality it's just that she's Jesus' mom and who isn't willing to do their mom a favor?
 
2014-02-23 01:31:06 PM
I'm from near Roland, ok.  I remember a farker had a theory about that killing, but I can't remember or find the link.
 
2014-02-23 01:44:35 PM

vygramul: They also deeply misunderstand Catholic reverence for Mary, which they believe to be idol worship, when in reality it's just that she's Jesus' mom and who isn't willing to do their mom a favor?


Yeah, and they also equate the reverence that Catholics give the Pope and saints with idolatry.
 
2014-02-23 01:49:06 PM
Imdb has the lawnmower man in 3 eps so he's involved, or else what was the point of that scene? Lawmowing is a symbol in the show anyway.

Also I think Harts oldest daughter is Marie fontenot. She's still around somewhere they never found her. She's the same she as his oldest daughter, it would explain her drawings and dolls etc. It would explain her saying "You're parents are dead they died in an accident" while playing dolls. Also Hart said he met danny 7 years before, the same time Marie went missing.

So Danny fontenot and the lady with the headaches that said all the weird stuff know something.
 
2014-02-23 01:49:30 PM

vygramul: Hoban Washburne: silvervial: Hell, a lot of evangelicals don't even consider catholics to be "christian" -- though I have no idea why, since catholicism is the original christian church.

It's kind of the whole idea of Luther and the Reformation.  The Catholic Church was so corrupted that the Protestants had to get back to "real" Christianity.  Thus, many Protestants don't regard Catholics as "real" Christians.  That's obviously an over-simplification of history, but that's about the grasp most frothing Evangelicals have of it.

They also deeply misunderstand Catholic reverence for Mary, which they believe to be idol worship, when in reality it's just that she's Jesus' mom and who isn't willing to do their mom a favor?


Yes, that's what I meant by catholic iconography. There are very Mary-like if not actually Mary statues all over that school, which would be appropriate if it was a parochial school, but it's not. It was owned and run by Tuttle Ministries, an (I'm assuming) evangelical protestant ministry. Protestants don't revere Mary at all and don't cross themselves either.

Both those things stick out to me, so they probably have some significance in the central mystery.

/did anyone else notice that the child angel drawings in the school had red eyes, red mouth, and red ears?
//hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil? "They are marked and will become his angels"
///or is it just my tv...
 
2014-02-23 01:53:36 PM
Yeah the more i read the more Harts oldest daughter = Marie fontenot.
 
2014-02-23 01:55:20 PM

JolobinSmokin: elvisaintdead: vygramul: I thought it was a Christian or Catholic school. Isn't that where they visited early on and a guy on a riding mower was there?

it was a Catholic school - the guy on the mower said he was sent by the parish to cut the grass

which also means he probably has a pretty good idea of what is going on in the building if he visits every few weeks and inspects the propery

and parish just means county in LA, they have parishes? Not counties.


In Louisiana they have parishes instead of counties.  In every other state, a parish is just a Catholic thing.
 
2014-02-23 01:58:30 PM

azwethnkweiz: Also I think Harts oldest daughter is Marie fontenot. She's still around somewhere they never found her. She's the same she as his oldest daughter, it would explain her drawings and dolls etc. It would explain her saying "You're parents are dead they died in an accident" while playing dolls. Also Hart said he met danny 7 years before, the same time Marie went missing.


This seems impossible, since they interviewed her mother.
 
2014-02-23 01:59:34 PM

azwethnkweiz: Imdb has the lawnmower man in 3 eps so he's involved, or else what was the point of that scene? Lawmowing is a symbol in the show anyway.

Also I think Harts oldest daughter is Marie fontenot. She's still around somewhere they never found her. She's the same she as his oldest daughter, it would explain her drawings and dolls etc. It would explain her saying "You're parents are dead they died in an accident" while playing dolls. Also Hart said he met danny 7 years before, the same time Marie went missing.

So Danny fontenot and the lady with the headaches that said all the weird stuff know something.


Speaking of Danny Fontenot, when Marty was giving him his good-natured "hell of a fastball" or whatever speech, as friendly as anyone could be in an uncomfortable re-meeting like that, Danny says "He talks to me like I'm a child" -- which I thought was a very odd thing to say, since I didn't see it as patronizing at all, and it was odd that Danny would be hostile within seconds of meeting Marty. I also found the way Danny's wife (?) spoke kind of off, too, her speech pattern.

Anyway, there seems to be a kind of conflation between Dora Lange and Marie Fontenot, a telescoping, if you will, that I find strange. When the detectives are filling in Marty and Rust after a day out canvassing, they talk about both in such a way that at first it seems they are saying that Danny is Dora's uncle, not Marie's. I've watched that scene over and over and there's no pause between speaking of Dora and speaking of Marie.
 
2014-02-23 02:01:29 PM
Her mother dais the police sorry is she went missing but they aren't sure then she gets headaches and stops talking. They also have a framed picture of a girl surrounded by 5 men on horses and a devil catcher in the shed
 
2014-02-23 02:01:33 PM

DamnYankees: azwethnkweiz: Also I think Harts oldest daughter is Marie fontenot. She's still around somewhere they never found her. She's the same she as his oldest daughter, it would explain her drawings and dolls etc. It would explain her saying "You're parents are dead they died in an accident" while playing dolls. Also Hart said he met danny 7 years before, the same time Marie went missing.

This seems impossible, since they interviewed her mother.


They interviewed *Dora's* mother, not Marie's. Marie's mother went to Vegas and is still there, supposedly. They also interviewed Marie's uncle and aunt.
 
2014-02-23 02:03:15 PM
The guy that plays Danny also plays the double murderer who knows about yellow king.
 
2014-02-23 02:06:14 PM
Marie fontenot is somewhere, she's not dead. Everything points to her being harts daughter. And there's something weird with Hart knowing Danny and the picture they have in the living room.
 
2014-02-23 02:08:40 PM

azwethnkweiz: The guy that plays Danny also plays the double murderer who knows about yellow king.


That's weird, why would they do that?
 
2014-02-23 02:09:55 PM

azwethnkweiz: Her mother dais the police sorry is she went missing but they aren't sure then she gets headaches and stops talking. They also have a framed picture of a girl surrounded by 5 men on horses and a devil catcher in the shed


This is part of that conflating of Marie and Dora that is going on, and I wonder if the show did it deliberately, making it very easy to get the two cases confused:

1. The mother interviewed, who had all the medication, headaches, messed up fingers, and the picture of the five men on horseback is DORA'S mother.

2. The devil's net was found on the property of MARIE'S aunt and uncle (the man crippled up with "strokes").

Marie Fontenot: young girl missing since 1990, presumed to have gone off with her father, whose police missing person case file consists of one page and one picture. Considered "reported in error" -- just like that long list Cohle later (in 2002) finds in the computer records.

Dora Lange: prostitute found dead at the tree with antlers on.
 
2014-02-23 02:10:29 PM

elvisaintdead: Lsherm: Counties in Louisiana are called parishes.

true dat.  I want to say in a pull-back shot they showed the marquis for the schools and it was a "St. somethingsoranother" - an instantly identifiable catholic name.  but that could be my imagination.

also, here's a couple of pics I yanked off of Paste supporting marty being the killer:
[www.pastemagazine.com image 550x327]
antlers


[www.pastemagazine.com image 550x420]
the spiral (flat circle) in the kitchen


here's the link  - worth a read

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/02/the-true-detective-wee k- five-nerd-out.html


Funny you should mention antlers.

I just remembered that Hart means "deer", hence antlers. But if Hart is the deer does that mean victim, or perpetrator? Hmmm....
 
2014-02-23 02:14:08 PM

azwethnkweiz: Imdb has the lawnmower man in 3 eps so he's involved, or else what was the point of that scene? Lawmowing is a symbol in the show anyway.


My roommate is big on this theory. The lawnmower guy has as scar on his face and IIRC Dora was seen conversing with a large man with a scar on his face. Ledoux seems to be missing that particular facial feature. I would agree with you that he may be more involved than just a simple lawnmower.

I could be wrong because I have not re-watched episode two since it first came out
 
2014-02-23 02:14:31 PM

azwethnkweiz: Everything points to her being harts daughter.


Really? Everything? Come on now.
 
2014-02-23 02:39:14 PM
It'd be great to have a ride-along submission to play-by-play tonight's episode like we do the Walking Dead
 
2014-02-23 03:51:01 PM
A Louisiana native here.

South Louisiana is predominately Catholic while the further north you get in the state the more redneck it becomes then the more Baptist/Protestant the population.

Eunice I would venture to guess, due to location, is mainly Catholic.

Baton Rouge is redneck but Lafayette is coon ass.

I love the show and while it is a bit over the top in some things concerning Louisiana the rest is just great acting.
 
2014-02-23 03:55:48 PM

proteon: It'd be great to have a ride-along submission to play-by-play tonight's episode like we do the Walking Dead


For sure. This thread alone is so much more interesting than "Look! More zombies!"
 
2014-02-23 04:09:27 PM

wankorama: proteon: It'd be great to have a ride-along submission to play-by-play tonight's episode like we do the Walking Dead

For sure. This thread alone is so much more interesting than "Look! More zombies!"


Theres no commercial breaks to post or catch up and I'm not looking away for a second.  I'm sure as hell coming back to this thread after tho so we can talk about it.
 
2014-02-23 04:44:06 PM

silvervial: Lsherm: Confabulat: Zulu_as_Kono: Did I hallucinate the scene where they say that the school was part of Tuttle's ministry? Or is everyone else forgetting?

No, I think you are correct.

Whoops, I forgot that.  I still think "the parish" refers to the county government, since Tuttle clearly isn't Catholic.

No, he's not and neither is the preacher Theriot. However, the iconography inside the Light of Way school is totally catholic, not evangelical Christian, and Theriot crosses himself, albeit backwards, when he is talking to Cohle, which struck me as strange.

Normally, there would be no Papist trappings anywhere around evangelicals. Hell, a lot of evangelicals don't even consider catholics to be "christian" -- though I have no idea why, since catholicism is the original christian church.

I'm still amazed that I am so obsessed with this show in only 5 episodes. This has never happened so quickly to me before. I think I've watched the first 5 eps at least four times since last week's episode aired and I'm still finding things I missed. This is a show where you *cannot* take your eyes from the screen or you miss something. You can't just have it on in the background or be messing on the internet or whatever while it's on, unless you just don't care about the deeper stuff (like my hubby, unfortunately).


I'm sorry your hubby doesn't care about the deeper stuff.

Have you tried doggy?

/sorry, had to...
 
2014-02-23 05:24:54 PM

mariner314: silvervial: Lsherm: Confabulat: Zulu_as_Kono: Did I hallucinate the scene where they say that the school was part of Tuttle's ministry? Or is everyone else forgetting?

No, I think you are correct.

Whoops, I forgot that.  I still think "the parish" refers to the county government, since Tuttle clearly isn't Catholic.

No, he's not and neither is the preacher Theriot. However, the iconography inside the Light of Way school is totally catholic, not evangelical Christian, and Theriot crosses himself, albeit backwards, when he is talking to Cohle, which struck me as strange.

Normally, there would be no Papist trappings anywhere around evangelicals. Hell, a lot of evangelicals don't even consider catholics to be "christian" -- though I have no idea why, since catholicism is the original christian church.

I'm still amazed that I am so obsessed with this show in only 5 episodes. This has never happened so quickly to me before. I think I've watched the first 5 eps at least four times since last week's episode aired and I'm still finding things I missed. This is a show where you *cannot* take your eyes from the screen or you miss something. You can't just have it on in the background or be messing on the internet or whatever while it's on, unless you just don't care about the deeper stuff (like my hubby, unfortunately).

I'm sorry your hubby doesn't care about the deeper stuff.

Have you tried doggy?

/sorry, had to...


No, you didn't *have* to, you *wanted* to. Don't pull a Marty and be in denial about your motivations...
 
2014-02-23 06:04:39 PM

silvervial: mariner314: silvervial: Lsherm: Confabulat: Zulu_as_Kono: Did I hallucinate the scene where they say that the school was part of Tuttle's ministry? Or is everyone else forgetting?

No, I think you are correct.

Whoops, I forgot that.  I still think "the parish" refers to the county government, since Tuttle clearly isn't Catholic.

No, he's not and neither is the preacher Theriot. However, the iconography inside the Light of Way school is totally catholic, not evangelical Christian, and Theriot crosses himself, albeit backwards, when he is talking to Cohle, which struck me as strange.

Normally, there would be no Papist trappings anywhere around evangelicals. Hell, a lot of evangelicals don't even consider catholics to be "christian" -- though I have no idea why, since catholicism is the original christian church.

I'm still amazed that I am so obsessed with this show in only 5 episodes. This has never happened so quickly to me before. I think I've watched the first 5 eps at least four times since last week's episode aired and I'm still finding things I missed. This is a show where you *cannot* take your eyes from the screen or you miss something. You can't just have it on in the background or be messing on the internet or whatever while it's on, unless you just don't care about the deeper stuff (like my hubby, unfortunately).

I'm sorry your hubby doesn't care about the deeper stuff.

Have you tried doggy?

/sorry, had to...

No, you didn't *have* to, you *wanted* to. Don't pull a Marty and be in denial about your motivations...


Touché.

Excellent retort. :)
 
2014-02-23 06:45:07 PM

mariner314: silvervial: mariner314: silvervial: Lsherm: Confabulat: Zulu_as_Kono: Did I hallucinate the scene where they say that the school was part of Tuttle's ministry? Or is everyone else forgetting?

No, I think you are correct.

Whoops, I forgot that.  I still think "the parish" refers to the county government, since Tuttle clearly isn't Catholic.

No, he's not and neither is the preacher Theriot. However, the iconography inside the Light of Way school is totally catholic, not evangelical Christian, and Theriot crosses himself, albeit backwards, when he is talking to Cohle, which struck me as strange.

Normally, there would be no Papist trappings anywhere around evangelicals. Hell, a lot of evangelicals don't even consider catholics to be "christian" -- though I have no idea why, since catholicism is the original christian church.

I'm still amazed that I am so obsessed with this show in only 5 episodes. This has never happened so quickly to me before. I think I've watched the first 5 eps at least four times since last week's episode aired and I'm still finding things I missed. This is a show where you *cannot* take your eyes from the screen or you miss something. You can't just have it on in the background or be messing on the internet or whatever while it's on, unless you just don't care about the deeper stuff (like my hubby, unfortunately).

I'm sorry your hubby doesn't care about the deeper stuff.

Have you tried doggy?

/sorry, had to...

No, you didn't *have* to, you *wanted* to. Don't pull a Marty and be in denial about your motivations...

Touché.

Excellent retort. :)


:D

http://www.somethingawful.com/news/true-detective-philosophy/
 
2014-02-23 06:53:31 PM

silvervial: :D

http://www.somethingawful.com/news/true-detective-philosophy/


I haven't read something awful in a long time, but that was pretty damn funny.
 
2014-02-23 06:54:32 PM
Oh hai guys is this The Walking Dead thread?
 
2014-02-23 07:02:41 PM

Hoban Washburne: vygramul: They also deeply misunderstand Catholic reverence for Mary, which they believe to be idol worship, when in reality it's just that she's Jesus' mom and who isn't willing to do their mom a favor?

Yeah, and they also equate the reverence that Catholics give the Pope and saints with idolatry.


As well as hanging Christ on the cross, which amounts to idolatry.  Not that the Romans cared.
 
2014-02-23 07:12:09 PM
Wow, didn't think Fark would have a thread for TD.  Great to see.
The show makes me pay attention.  No fiddling with phone or laptop during the show.
Cat's get no attention.  So many subtle things...
 
2014-02-23 07:16:08 PM
Are we going to post in this thread after the show (of course *AFTER* since one must keep one's eyes on the screen when the show is on) or are we going to get a new thread??
 
2014-02-23 07:17:14 PM

Hoban Washburne: silvervial: :D

http://www.somethingawful.com/news/true-detective-philosophy/

I haven't read something awful in a long time, but that was pretty damn funny.


:D Yeah, it was one of the few tangentially related TD thingies to actually make me laugh.
 
2014-02-23 09:02:42 PM
In the "on the previous episodes" tonight, they pointed out that the tent revival minister came up under Tuttle.
 
2014-02-23 09:40:13 PM
Tuttle's wearing a yellow tie.
 
2014-02-23 10:01:24 PM
I gotta wait a week for this beer?

Rust definitely knows what's up. Now he's going to try to convince Marty.

Maggie is a bad liar and the detectives know it.
 
2014-02-23 10:07:57 PM

JerseyTim: I gotta wait a week for this beer?

Rust definitely knows what's up. Now he's going to try to convince Marty.

Maggie is a bad liar and the detectives know it.


That was the most uncomfortable sex scene I've seen in my life, and I'm including things I watched in movies with my parents when I was younger.

Holy shiat, though, Tuttle and Cohle eyefarking each other in open combat was something else.
 
2014-02-23 10:15:14 PM
I wonder if Cohle not going with the (pretty altar boy stereotype but a bit older) "records clerk" to look at what files Tuttle had, saying that he'd check them out another time, was just acknowledging that there would not be anything useful or evidentiary in the records anyway. Because he had to know he wasn't going to get another chance, right?

I like how Cohle paid for his dalliance with Maggie by letting himself get beat on a bit by Marty. Odd that he gave in to Maggie in the first place, odd that he didn't know he was simply a revenge fark and let himself be used that way. Guess he really needed it, poor guy.

Have to watch the episode again, of course, on the West Coast feed in HD.
 
2014-02-23 10:15:31 PM

vygramul: In the "on the previous episodes" tonight, they pointed out that the tent revival minister came up under Tuttle.


And then he opened an old mystical tome that revealed the truth to him.
He then quit the ministry and started drinking.
 
2014-02-23 10:16:21 PM
"Thank you:  I'm sorry."

*snort*
 
2014-02-23 10:22:53 PM

silvervial: I wonder if Cohle not going with the (pretty altar boy stereotype but a bit older) "records clerk" to look at what files Tuttle had, saying that he'd check them out another time, was just acknowledging that there would not be anything useful or evidentiary in the records anyway. Because he had to know he wasn't going to get another chance, right?

I like how Cohle paid for his dalliance with Maggie by letting himself get beat on a bit by Marty. Odd that he gave in to Maggie in the first place, odd that he didn't know he was simply a revenge fark and let himself be used that way. Guess he really needed it, poor guy.

Have to watch the episode again, of course, on the West Coast feed in HD.


He HAD been drinking.
 
2014-02-23 10:30:57 PM

vygramul: silvervial: I wonder if Cohle not going with the (pretty altar boy stereotype but a bit older) "records clerk" to look at what files Tuttle had, saying that he'd check them out another time, was just acknowledging that there would not be anything useful or evidentiary in the records anyway. Because he had to know he wasn't going to get another chance, right?

I like how Cohle paid for his dalliance with Maggie by letting himself get beat on a bit by Marty. Odd that he gave in to Maggie in the first place, odd that he didn't know he was simply a revenge fark and let himself be used that way. Guess he really needed it, poor guy.

Have to watch the episode again, of course, on the West Coast feed in HD.

He HAD been drinking.


That's true, maybe that's the only reason he did, but I thought I saw a look in his eye over Maggie's shoulder, like maybe it was something more to him. But then she confirmed her motive and that's when he shouted her out of his house...

I do love the confirmation of a lot of things that had only been speculation up to this point. As for next week, I think the thing at the end of the preview where Marty cries out is him seeing pictures of what's been happening to Audrey...just my opinion of course. Gotta start the next round of speculation, even though you and I are the only two people in this thread :D
 
2014-02-23 10:32:10 PM

vygramul: silvervial: I wonder if Cohle not going with the (pretty altar boy stereotype but a bit older) "records clerk" to look at what files Tuttle had, saying that he'd check them out another time, was just acknowledging that there would not be anything useful or evidentiary in the records anyway. Because he had to know he wasn't going to get another chance, right?

I like how Cohle paid for his dalliance with Maggie by letting himself get beat on a bit by Marty. Odd that he gave in to Maggie in the first place, odd that he didn't know he was simply a revenge fark and let himself be used that way. Guess he really needed it, poor guy.

Have to watch the episode again, of course, on the West Coast feed in HD.

He HAD been drinking.


Might have been why he was a two pump chump. Poor guy could've used a little pleasure.

Thought it was a bit of a filler episode but HBO series usually have one mild episode before they blow you away with the finale.

We need an after discussion thread but I suck at writing headlines so I've got about as much of a chance greening one as Cohle does cracking a smile.
 
2014-02-23 10:36:39 PM

silvervial: I do love the confirmation of a lot of things that had only been speculation up to this point. As for next week, I think the thing at the end of the preview where Marty cries out is him seeing pictures of what's been happening to Audrey...just my opinion of course. Gotta start the next round of speculation, even though you and I are the only two people in this thread :D


If it's Audrey, it's going to get interesting.

Part of me wonders if Cohle will set up Marty to murder the killers in such a way as Marty gets arrested.
 
2014-02-23 10:39:48 PM
I know it's a minor point in the grand scheme of things, but would those cops just let Rusty drive away in his truck after drinking a flask + 6 beers? That THEY had procured for him?
 
2014-02-23 10:41:35 PM

wankorama: I know it's a minor point in the grand scheme of things, but would those cops just let Rusty drive away in his truck after drinking a flask + 6 beers? That THEY had procured for him?


Probably not.
 
2014-02-23 10:55:23 PM

alwaysjaded: We need an after discussion thread but I suck at writing headlines so I've got about as much of a chance greening one as Cohle does cracking a smile.


That's your headline.
 
2014-02-23 11:10:37 PM
Does anyone know... did The Walking Dead reintroduce us to some familiar faces tonight? And, perchance, were they were attacked by... ZOMBIES???
 
2014-02-23 11:44:47 PM

DamnYankees: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Where are you watching them?  HBO doesn't seem to airing reruns.
 HBO Go.


That. I only just realized that we still had HBO today - the wife mentioned that she's been catching up on Girls - and I've spent four hours watching True Detective. After the first ep, I was like "yeah, I'm gonna watch the hell out of this."

/They gave us a free month, which apparently was two months.
 
2014-02-23 11:45:20 PM

OooShiny: alwaysjaded: We need an after discussion thread but I suck at writing headlines so I've got about as much of a chance greening one as Cohle does cracking a smile.

That's your headline.


Hmmm. Let's see....

Will the Yellow King finally be revealed? Will Hart have to do more laundry? Will Cohle do his Farker impression when simply talking to a woman sends her into hysterical shrieks? Find out on tonight's True Detective thread.

Meh, needs work.
 
2014-02-23 11:48:52 PM

wankorama: I know it's a minor point in the grand scheme of things, but would those cops just let Rusty drive away in his truck after drinking a flask + 6 beers? That THEY had procured for him?


Did we see this happen? I might've missed it while paying attention to other things.
 
2014-02-23 11:59:59 PM

robertus: DamnYankees: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Where are you watching them?  HBO doesn't seem to airing reruns.
 HBO Go.

That. I only just realized that we still had HBO today - the wife mentioned that she's been catching up on Girls - and I've spent four hours watching True Detective. After the first ep, I was like "yeah, I'm gonna watch the hell out of this."

/They gave us a free month, which apparently was two months.


HBO gives three months at a time.
 
2014-02-24 01:15:00 AM

Zulu_as_Kono: wankorama: I know it's a minor point in the grand scheme of things, but would those cops just let Rusty drive away in his truck after drinking a flask + 6 beers? That THEY had procured for him?

Did we see this happen? I might've missed it while paying attention to other things.


I was thinking at the end when he drives up behind Hart, but Hart's interview would have been some time after anyway.
 
2014-02-24 03:21:36 AM
I'd argue that lingering shot on Cohle's busted taillight shows he's been trolling for cops.
 
2014-02-24 04:35:29 AM

Confabulat: I'd argue that lingering shot on Cohle's busted taillight shows he's been trolling for cops.


Or it's own personal reminder of Marty, given it was Marty's head that busted it out in their parking lot fight.
 
2014-02-24 04:38:26 AM

lawboy87: Confabulat: I'd argue that lingering shot on Cohle's busted taillight shows he's been trolling for cops.

Or it's own personal reminder of Marty, given it was Marty's head that busted it out in their parking lot fight.


Maybe Cohle is waiting for Marty to pay for the damages to the taillight. Still.
 
2014-02-24 04:39:41 AM
Someone mentioned this was a slower episode, but we DID hear about someone with scars involved, and someone else above said the lawnmower man was scarred.  I'll have to rewatch to confirm
 
2014-02-24 04:51:50 AM

RoyHobbs22: aiiee: ItchyMcDoogle: I think all signs lead to Hart. Even if he is not in on it there is someone in his inner circle who is ( Wife and/or Stepfather). I think when we find out why his oldest Daughter has been messed up in the head up since the get go we will find out who is the Yellow King. I think Harts wife knows more then she lets on.

I don't think Rust has anything to do with it and is just trying to find out what the heck is going on and who the killers are. But then agian Rust is majorly farked up( Hallucinations, Heavy Drug Use when undercover and pill popper in the early episodes, Very farked up former home life and work life when he worked narco),. Id be really surprised if it turns out Rust had anything to do with it. But still the guy has deep issues.

Im both bummed that there are only 3 episodes left but I want to see them dammit. But I agree its nice to have a week to chew on the episodes since they give you so much to think on

Great Show I hope it finishes off great that has me the most worried is how it will end

Holy crap, I forgot all about the daughter's Barbie/Ken dolls and the drawings.   That ties in with her behavior as a teen. She was raped as a child but somehow survived and didn't tell anyone about it, because it was Marty, her Dad, who she loved, who turned her over to the rapists.

No farking way.

Grandpa maybe?  I'm going to go back and watch the lake house scene.


The problem with it not being Marty is he's the only adult who sees the Barbie see and he just kind of shakes his head and walks away. When he addressed the pictures she drew at school it was at his wife's urging and she was aggravated because he was more interested in watching the game. As a cop -- even a 'murder cop' -- one would think he would jump in these as clues that something may have happened to his daughter.
 
2014-02-24 05:38:09 AM

Qaiwolf: Someone mentioned this was a slower episode, but we DID hear about someone with scars involved, and someone else above said the lawnmower man was scarred.  I'll have to rewatch to confirm


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-24 05:39:26 AM

lawboy87: Confabulat: I'd argue that lingering shot on Cohle's busted taillight shows he's been trolling for cops.

Or it's own personal reminder of Marty, given it was Marty's head that busted it out in their parking lot fight.


But he's a cop, and he's a damn good one when he wants to be, and what better way to get pulled over in a rural highway in Louisiana than that? (oh yeah I know I'm not the only one with experience)
 
2014-02-24 06:05:36 AM
This episode lost me a bit.  It had none of the dread, and relatively little of the tension, of the past episodes, except for two scenes.  It felt like they were tying up a bunch of loose ends, but I'm not sure it was necessary to waste the whole episode on it.  The whole Beth storyline?  The only way that ends up being worthwhile is if she's a plant.  I bet it's her on the screen in the preview of 7 (the daughter might be too obvious).  Then again, a lot that happened in this episode was a bit too obvious...

Hope they get 7 back on track.
 
2014-02-24 06:52:03 AM

juvandy: This episode lost me a bit.  It had none of the dread, and relatively little of the tension, of the past episodes, except for two scenes.  It felt like they were tying up a bunch of loose ends, but I'm not sure it was necessary to waste the whole episode on it.  The whole Beth storyline?  The only way that ends up being worthwhile is if she's a plant.  I bet it's her on the screen in the preview of 7 (the daughter might be too obvious).  Then again, a lot that happened in this episode was a bit too obvious...

Hope they get 7 back on track.


Yep, it was just a regular police show tonight. I hope that shuts up all the dimwitted fanboys who think Cthultu is going to bust out of his arctic slumber or something.
 
2014-02-24 06:54:52 AM
I hope there's no big twist. I hope there's no dumb cosmic horror surprise at the end. That shiat is for internet fanboys.

It's a solid show grounded in reality with some pretty cool literary references that sent dipshiat internet fanboys into wild speculation. But that's what it is.

Can you imagine how sucky this show would be if it actually DID end up cosmic horror?

The Yellow King is about insanity, not about slumbering ancient cruel gods.
 
2014-02-24 07:43:05 AM

Confabulat: I hope there's no big twist. I hope there's no dumb cosmic horror surprise at the end. That shiat is for internet fanboys.

It's a solid show grounded in reality with some pretty cool literary references that sent dipshiat internet fanboys into wild speculation. But that's what it is.

Can you imagine how sucky this show would be if it actually DID end up cosmic horror?

The Yellow King is about insanity, not about slumbering ancient cruel gods.


I didn't think anyone was hoping Cthulhu would be the bad guy at the end. Just a cult-like conspiracy. It's not like we hope traditional cult shows end up with Jesus popping out of a cake with fake tits or something.
 
2014-02-24 08:02:51 AM

vygramul: I didn't think anyone was hoping Cthulhu would be the bad guy at the end. Just a cult-like conspiracy. It's not like we hope traditional cult shows end up with Jesus popping out of a cake with fake tits or something.


img.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-24 08:19:00 AM
Well I do find it curious that everyone seems to have forgotten the very first scene of the series was two men (I'd assume Woody and Mcconaggggeeghy) crippled and fighting their way across an endless landscape of a fire-lit swamp, which is some scary stuff.

I can only assume that's how the opening scene of the finale goes, but weird no one ever mentions it.
 
2014-02-24 08:40:33 AM
It's just a really, really good show. I'm not going to waste energy  trying to out think it, I'm just going to let it take me on the ride.
 
2014-02-24 08:55:21 AM

juvandy: This episode lost me a bit.  It had none of the dread, and relatively little of the tension, of the past episodes, except for two scenes.  It felt like they were tying up a bunch of loose ends, but I'm not sure it was necessary to waste the whole episode on it.  The whole Beth storyline?  The only way that ends up being worthwhile is if she's a plant.  I bet it's her on the screen in the preview of 7 (the daughter might be too obvious).  Then again, a lot that happened in this episode was a bit too obvious...

Hope they get 7 back on track.


agreed.  At least there was farking. Maggie is awful though. Her character, the actress, blah.
 
2014-02-24 09:19:36 AM

RoyHobbs22: Maggie is awful though


Maggie is now a clear villain. Not that I ahem have ever been in such a situation, but ahem that's just evil bullshiat.
 
2014-02-24 09:34:31 AM

Confabulat: Maggie is now a clear villain. Not that I ahem have ever been in such a situation, but ahem that's just evil bullshiat.


Meanwhile Hart is still just the tortured, complex anti-hero, right?
 
2014-02-24 09:51:31 AM
We got a good ol' fashioned whore shaming going on here?
 
2014-02-24 09:56:03 AM

vygramul: Confabulat: I hope there's no big twist. I hope there's no dumb cosmic horror surprise at the end. That shiat is for internet fanboys.

It's a solid show grounded in reality with some pretty cool literary references that sent dipshiat internet fanboys into wild speculation. But that's what it is.

Can you imagine how sucky this show would be if it actually DID end up cosmic horror?

The Yellow King is about insanity, not about slumbering ancient cruel gods.

I didn't think anyone was hoping Cthulhu would be the bad guy at the end. Just a cult-like conspiracy. It's not like we hope traditional cult shows end up with Jesus popping out of a cake with fake tits or something.


Well I didn't until now.

i131.photobucket.com
global3.memecdn.com
 
2014-02-24 09:56:55 AM
Hart is a scumbag and deserving of everything bad that happens to him in his relationships with women, period.

Maggie shouldn't have used Rust the way she did, but she not only wanted to make sure she hurt Hart as much as she possibly could, but also to make sure that Marty would see her as "tainted" and so would leave her and the girls alone, not try to win her back like the last time. I perfectly understand her motives, and she's right that the only way Hart could be stopped was to make him not want her, but she really shouldn't have involved Cohle.

I did like the way Cohle immediately went to Hart for punishment for his part of the "sin." He let Marty hit him to pay him back for his not being strong enough to resist Maggie. He expiated his guilt and he could move on.

I also liked Cohle's arrogance in the relationship with Hart now. He says "There's no you without me." After all, Cohle's the one who finds the clues, puts the cases together, and gets the confessions and Marty's career looks good. After a while, Cohle's just done with that, especially once he hears "Yellow King" again. Notice how he makes no attempt to bring Hart in to his extra-curricular work. He merely uses Hart as cover until Hart is too farked up to provide that cover anymore and then Maggie is the last straw. Cohle has to quit so he can pursue the case, but without the resources and authority of a cop, it's taken him years to get to where he is in 2012.

I'm interested in why Cohle's bringing Marty into the case now? Is it just to find out what Marty may have told the new detectives, or is it because he recently discovered the material on Audrey? Is showing Marty that stuff to motivate him? Or is it a bit of the "You should kill yourself" sadism he shows towards people he considers beneath consideration, like Lange (Yeah, you probably got Dora killed).

There's a couple of interpretations for Marty checking his gun at the end of the episode, too.

@Confabulat -- that scene right at the beginning of the pilot, I didn't take as being Hart and Cohle. It was the killer carrying Dora to the tree then setting a fire to draw attention. "This field wasn't due to be fired yet" is what caught the farmer's attention to discover Dora.
 
2014-02-24 10:06:15 AM

silvervial: @Confabulat -- that scene right at the beginning of the pilot, I didn't take as being Hart and Cohle. It was the killer carrying Dora to the tree then setting a fire to draw attention. "This field wasn't due to be fired yet" is what caught the farmer's attention to discover Dora.


That is correct.
 
2014-02-24 11:06:34 AM

MutantMotherMouse: The problem with it not being Marty is he's the only adult who sees the Barbie see and he just kind of shakes his head and walks away. When he addressed the pictures she drew at school it was at his wife's urging and she was aggravated because he was more interested in watching the game. As a cop -- even a 'murder cop' -- one would think he would jump in these as clues that something may have happened to his daughter.


Ooooooooooooohhhh!  (actually said that out loud whilst reading your post)
 
2014-02-24 11:08:52 AM
Rust was mad because Maggie got him to show his demon, something that he works very hard to suppress.

Also, its very clear now that every character is an accomplished liar, so do we really know them at all?
 
2014-02-24 11:14:25 AM

silvervial: "You should kill yourself"


Did Cohle really mean "You should kill yourself soon as you get a chance so you can't reveal what you know that might lead to ME before I'm ready"?
 
2014-02-24 11:19:35 AM

OooShiny: silvervial: "You should kill yourself"

Did Cohle really mean "You should kill yourself soon as you get a chance so you can't reveal what you know that might lead to ME before I'm ready"?


and did he also make the call to the guy who killed himself in prison
 
2014-02-24 11:21:35 AM
Come to the new thread to talk so we can get it greenlit!
 
2014-02-24 12:16:10 PM

bongmiester: [fc01.deviantart.net image 515x723]

has cthulhu made a appearance in the show?  i've been looking


Only as far as the missing girl who got away described a green eared, spaghetti haired monster. After that it was never mentioned again.
 
2014-02-24 12:19:41 PM

DamnYankees: Come to the new thread to talk so we can get it greenlit!


Im just a damn non total farker. Hope you total farkers get it greenlit..I will say both of Rust's scenes with the girl in the interrogation room and with the comatose girl sent chills down my spine. But it was mostly housekeeping of stuff we knew was going to happen. Hopefully the next two will be full on yellow king but who knows since marty made damn sure his gun was loaded before going with Rust
 
2014-02-24 12:38:35 PM

DamnYankees: Come to the new thread to talk so we can get it greenlit!


Tried, but no can find.  Linkage?
 
2014-02-24 12:41:29 PM
 
2014-02-24 12:57:22 PM
FYI everyone, knew thread just got greened and will go live in about 40 minutes.
 
2014-02-24 01:00:30 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: DamnYankees: Come to the new thread to talk so we can get it greenlit!

Im just a damn non total farker. Hope you total farkers get it greenlit..I will say both of Rust's scenes with the girl in the interrogation room and with the comatose girl sent chills down my spine. But it was mostly housekeeping of stuff we knew was going to happen. Hopefully the next two will be full on yellow king but who knows since marty made damn sure his gun was loaded before going with Rust


I love Rust he's one of my favorite characters ever and there is no way fictional me would go anywhere with that guy without an entire arsenal.
 
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