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2014-02-22 11:40:41 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

This is my stop.

/Jack Daniels?
 
2014-02-23 12:12:49 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

A protester poses in a bathtub

Nothing says opulence like having a bathtub for your rocks.
 
2014-02-23 12:15:23 AM
My first reaction: BURN IT DOWN!
My second reaction: Maybe make it a home for orphans or something
 
2014-02-23 12:24:38 AM

fusillade762: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x574]

A protester poses in a bathtub

Nothing says opulence like having a bathtub for your rocks.


Man I imagine they hold heat really well, though.  I have a big bathtub, but it's not deep enough to hold rocks.
 
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2014-02-23 12:51:24 AM
ihaveanidea.org
 
2014-02-23 01:43:28 AM
... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?
 
2014-02-23 02:29:16 AM
Stupid protestors. Now with Yanukovich gone, the wealth will never trickle down.
 
2014-02-23 02:29:31 AM
I was wondering what was keeping them from kicking in the windows to get to the dining room - or what was keeping them from stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Maybe Ukrainians are just well behaved mobbers?
 
2014-02-23 03:10:33 AM

Lsherm: I was wondering what was keeping them from kicking in the windows to get to the dining room - or what was keeping them from stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Maybe Ukrainians are just well behaved mobbers?


I wondered why the place wasn't in flames myself. From TFA:

Ukrainian security and volunteers from among Independence Square protesters have joined forces to protect the presidential countryside retreat from vandalism and looting
 
2014-02-23 03:13:19 AM
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2014-02-23 03:16:51 AM
Yulia Tymoshenko was believed to be the richest person in Ukraine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Tymoshenko - so it's interesting that social media is having a go at the person who replaced her for being a rich bastard.
 
2014-02-23 03:20:09 AM

fusillade762: Lsherm: I was wondering what was keeping them from kicking in the windows to get to the dining room - or what was keeping them from stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Maybe Ukrainians are just well behaved mobbers?

I wondered why the place wasn't in flames myself. From TFA:

Ukrainian security and volunteers from among Independence Square protesters have joined forces to protect the presidential countryside retreat from vandalism and looting


For now.

I predict there will be quite the bonfire in another day or two. I notice that the guys with the armor and military-style weaponry are the ones actually INSIDE the residence, going through the paperwork.
 
2014-02-23 03:24:08 AM
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2014-02-23 03:24:21 AM

Walker: My first reaction: BURN IT DOWN!
My second reaction: Maybe make it a home for orphans or something


Your second reaction was my first. Dang, don't waste it. Take it the fark over, Ukrainians. Seize the power it represents and use it for good, rather than destroy it.

Also, it really looks quite beautiful.

Imagine if they made it a pet rescue facility. Why not? There's already a zoo. And it would be hilarious if the place were overrun by (well cared for) cats and dogs...
 
2014-02-23 03:27:47 AM

ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


No, it makes sense. Ukraine is a pretty big place. Not every Ukrainian is going to be able to go see the abhorrent corruption of the place. But it's possibly the most powerful political message they could show the Eastern supporters of the deposed President.
 
2014-02-23 03:27:53 AM
pbs.twimg.com
I guess this guy was also the Jay Leno of Soviet cars.
 
2014-02-23 03:28:35 AM
this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-23 03:32:03 AM

gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.
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Yeah, just a farking little.
 
2014-02-23 03:32:09 AM

gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.


Makes me wonder if they'll find human remains on his land. Super spooky.
 
2014-02-23 03:33:31 AM
It reminds me a bit of some old mansions in Hannibal, MO, built in the 19th century, both in size and grandeur but with more modern construction materials.
 
2014-02-23 03:35:42 AM

ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


What sense would burning it down really make?
I'm getting the feeling that destroying their community's assets is not number one on their to do list.

It's not Compton or South Central.
 
2014-02-23 03:43:47 AM

gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.
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I'm no expert, but it seems that the one of those birds died for our sins...

/who the hell crucifies a bird?
//other than Yanukovych

Walker: My first reaction: BURN IT DOWN!
My second reaction: Maybe make it a home for orphans or something


Yanukovych is lucky the protestors didn't go full Onoprienko* on his house.

*Ukrainian serial killer who would murder a house's inhabitants and then burn the house down.
 
2014-02-23 03:49:45 AM
Did he crucify every falcon on the road to Rome to send a message?
 
2014-02-23 03:55:56 AM

gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.
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To put the most charitable possible spin on it, perhaps the birds were being hung for future consumption. Still, I don't think this is normally done by crucifying them.
 
2014-02-23 03:57:39 AM
Yeah nothing farking weird at all about crucified birds.
/WTF
 
2014-02-23 03:58:17 AM
Well, at least it's unlikely the birds were still alive when they were nailed to crosses.
 
2014-02-23 03:59:34 AM
Those are goshawks... The brown ones are juveniles and the gray blue ones are adults. The only reason you'd kill and display dead goshawks like that would be if you were a landskeeper who kept game birds for hunting and didn't like the raptorial competition. They display them like that in order to 'scare off' other hawks (hint: it doesn't work). Poor goshawks... that breaks my heart. :(
 
2014-02-23 04:06:02 AM

Lsherm: I was wondering what was keeping them from kicking in the windows to get to the dining room - or what was keeping them from stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Maybe Ukrainians are just well behaved mobbers?


Why would you expect them to behave like the thieves they're removing from their government? That would make far less sense than peacefully occupying the grounds as they have and showing the world what has been stolen from them...
 
2014-02-23 04:08:43 AM

gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/Sh6dEFi.jpg" width="850" height="850">


I think he was trying to send a message. Birds eat the rotting human flesh of the crucified, but if there is no one around to crucify then they are only left to eat each other.

Or he was making a reference to Bob Marley's Three Little Birds.
Don't worry about a thing, 'Cause every little thing gonna be all right.
 
2014-02-23 04:10:14 AM

narkor: Yulia Tymoshenko was believed to be the richest person in Ukraine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Tymoshenko - so it's interesting that social media is having a go at the person who replaced her for being a rich bastard.


My first thought as well.
 
2014-02-23 04:14:11 AM
I was never sure why Yulia went to prison.. just because he could do it?
 
2014-02-23 04:23:09 AM

Alphax: I was never sure why Yulia went to prison.. just because he could do it?


Because Russia couldn't get away with assassinating her after their botched assassination attempt on a Yushchenko, but they still needed to send a threatening message to anyone else thinking about opposing them.
 
2014-02-23 04:23:54 AM

Hiro-ACiD: Lsherm: I was wondering what was keeping them from kicking in the windows to get to the dining room - or what was keeping them from stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Maybe Ukrainians are just well behaved mobbers?

Why would you expect them to behave like the thieves they're removing from their government? That would make far less sense than peacefully occupying the grounds as they have and showing the world what has been stolen from them...


Because crowds of people steal if the opportunity presents itself absent outside control.  It's human nature.
 
2014-02-23 04:27:09 AM

narkor: Yulia Tymoshenko was believed to be the richest person in Ukraine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Tymoshenko - so it's interesting that social media is having a go at the person who replaced her for being a rich bastard.


Did she get rich before or DURING her time as a government leader?  The details are important, here.
 
2014-02-23 04:29:50 AM
Now the search to find a credible source for this story.
 
2014-02-23 04:32:35 AM

HotWingAgenda: narkor: Yulia Tymoshenko was believed to be the richest person in Ukraine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Tymoshenko - so it's interesting that social media is having a go at the person who replaced her for being a rich bastard.

My first thought as well.


I think the point is that he was an academic who became a politician and in theory was never in fact wealthy at all. He literally just bought all this using public money, treating the public purse as a personal account in the fashion of all dictators.

The issue of how Tymoshenko got rich is of course controversial (put me on the 'all the oligarchs are thieves and should be in jail' list).. but not in the same way as this at least.
 
2014-02-23 04:35:32 AM
Sucks that they felt compelled to get back at The Man by smashing up his 991 Turbo S, though.
 
2014-02-23 04:36:55 AM
power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 
2014-02-23 04:56:33 AM

grimlock1972: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.


Yes, and corruption powers absolution as power absolves corruption.
 
2014-02-23 05:17:51 AM

forgotmydamnusername: gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.
[i.imgur.com image 850x850]

To put the most charitable possible spin on it, perhaps the birds were being hung for future consumption. Still, I don't think this is normally done by crucifying them.



Well, you can buy imitation goshawks to display as scarecrows to keep other birds away, this looks like a similar situation but for someone too rich to settle for imitation anything. Presumably they were hung up dead, not crucified. Still kind of a strange pose...
 
2014-02-23 05:26:25 AM
"On tonight's episode of 'American Ukrainian Greed'......"
 
2014-02-23 05:49:22 AM

gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.
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What in the world???? Makes me wonder more about the story of that protester who was crucified.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549328/Ukrainian-protestor- ki dnapped-CRUCIFIED-ear-cut-dumped-forest-week-torture.html
 
2014-02-23 05:51:53 AM

ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?



It would actually make no sense to destroy it all. All that shiat was bought with their money, by keeping the assets intact they can recoup some of the wealth for their country. Also they can find incriminating documentation in there. Lastly, they can use the photos and videos of the opulence for propaganda purposes ("See what we were dealing with, rest of the world?").

Do you just instantly assume that all people protesting/revolting against their government are unhinged savages who are incapable of rational thought or self-control?
 
2014-02-23 05:55:19 AM
More pics if anyone is interested...

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2014-02-23 06:00:17 AM

NEDM: Did she get rich before or DURING her time as a government leader? The details are important, here.


Both
 
2014-02-23 06:01:17 AM
his helipad

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2014-02-23 06:09:06 AM
img.fark.net

Now that's what you call a Golden Throne.
 
2014-02-23 06:09:41 AM
Here is what CNN says:

Ukraine's president calls efforts to push him from office a 'coup'

Hmm, the President's house is occupied, at least 17 people died yesterday, and the protesters are now in charge of the government.   Coup is french for blow, and is short for the phrase coup d'etat, blow against the state, and is usually reserved for a violent deposing of a government.

How is this anything but a 'coup'?   I mean, literally and figuratively? I'm sure it is a blow to the Ukraine president.

CNN sucks.
 
2014-02-23 06:20:03 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk
A protester poses in a bathtub at the residence has the crowds take photos of some of the sprawling outhouses

How backwards of a country is the Ukraine?  Not even the presidential palace has indoor plumbing!
 
2014-02-23 06:20:56 AM
All photos of his tacky, nouveau-riche home aside, I nominate "Chicken Kiev" as this man's forever-nickname.

Suits the bastard perfectly.
 
2014-02-23 06:36:25 AM
As an American living in eastern Europe this underscores something important that I noticed a long time ago, and which is a really sad indictment of US culture:

These people get by with shiat wages, just had their government try to strongarm them into line, but they fought and bled for their freedom and won.  Then they take over the Big Bad's property and go through it like a museum.  What would have happened if this was the USA?  In most cities my bet is that people earning double would rampage, loot and burn the house within the day, while a crowd stands outside and chants U-S-A, U-S-A!

Despite the bad reputation the Slavic countries have due to being behind the Iron Curtain for so long, most of the people in them are still nice and cultured.  For the wages they earn and the places they live they far exceed what you would expect from a US citizen.  In my city you have areas which look like pure ghettos, with rundown soviet apartment blocks everywhere.  The occupants earn about 200 euro per month on average, and crime is still almost nonexistant and you can park your car and walk around where you need to go.  Whenever I go to those places I can't help but think that in the states that kind of place would be an urban warzone.  We really need to fix our shiat in the US, because some supposedly pinko commie slavs are showing us up every day.
 
2014-02-23 06:41:36 AM
Someone posted in another thread that they have started sending conscription notices to students

I'll just leave this here
 
2014-02-23 06:45:31 AM

child_god: Here is what CNN says:

Ukraine's president calls efforts to push him from office a 'coup'

Hmm, the President's house is occupied, at least 17 people died yesterday, and the protesters are now in charge of the government.   Coup is french for blow, and is short for the phrase coup d'etat, blow against the state, and is usually reserved for a violent deposing of a government.

How is this anything but a 'coup'?   I mean, literally and figuratively? I'm sure it is a blow to the Ukraine president.

CNN sucks.


I could be wrong about this, but I'm fairly certain that the parliament voted to oust him. He basically went missing from government and so they voted to remove him from office, which apparently they have the constitutional right to do so.

I mean, he can call "coup" all he wants - but this seems to be so only in the loosest of terms. Like when here in Australia when the labour party decided to toss Kevin Rudd in favour of Julia Gillard (and then back again). They called it a "coup" in the paper, but it was just party politics.

Also, I'm pretty sure it wasn't the protesters who had snipers shooting people in the head the other day.
 
2014-02-23 06:48:38 AM

dfacto: As an American living in eastern Europe this underscores something important that I noticed a long time ago, and which is a really sad indictment of US culture:

These people get by with shiat wages, just had their government try to strongarm them into line, but they fought and bled for their freedom and won.  Then they take over the Big Bad's property and go through it like a museum.  What would have happened if this was the USA?  In most cities my bet is that people earning double would rampage, loot and burn the house within the day, while a crowd stands outside and chants U-S-A, U-S-A!

Despite the bad reputation the Slavic countries have due to being behind the Iron Curtain for so long, most of the people in them are still nice and cultured.  For the wages they earn and the places they live they far exceed what you would expect from a US citizen.  In my city you have areas which look like pure ghettos, with rundown soviet apartment blocks everywhere.  The occupants earn about 200 euro per month on average, and crime is still almost nonexistant and you can park your car and walk around where you need to go.  Whenever I go to those places I can't help but think that in the states that kind of place would be an urban warzone.  We really need to fix our shiat in the US, because some supposedly pinko commie slavs are showing us up every day.


This is bullshiat. There were security forces at the mansion and it was obviously a carefully staged photo op.

Go kick your straw man down the road somewhere else.
 
2014-02-23 06:50:03 AM
I really don't get the 'OMG, he had a big bathtub and helicopter pad' outrage. How is this that much different than the hundreds of politicians in the US that miraculously become multi-millionaires while in office?
 
2014-02-23 06:52:35 AM

wildbill0712: I really don't get the 'OMG, he had a big bathtub and helicopter pad' outrage. How is this that much different than the hundreds of politicians in the US that miraculously become multi-millionaires while in office?


Yeah, it's pad they are "outraged" about
 
2014-02-23 06:54:23 AM

mongbiohazard: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


It would actually make no sense to destroy it all. All that shiat was bought with their money, by keeping the assets intact they can recoup some of the wealth for their country. Also they can find incriminating documentation in there. Lastly, they can use the photos and videos of the opulence for propaganda purposes ("See what we were dealing with, rest of the world?").

Do you just instantly assume that all people protesting/revolting against their government are unhinged savages who are incapable of rational thought or self-control?


No, but I would assume that once a large group of protestors have deposed the guy, they would usually destroy all his shiat.  At least, that's what usually happens, isn't it?
 
2014-02-23 06:55:06 AM

child_god: Here is what CNN says:

Ukraine's president calls efforts to push him from office a 'coup'

Hmm, the President's house is occupied, at least 17 people died yesterday, and the protesters are now in charge of the government.   Coup is french for blow, and is short for the phrase coup d'etat, blow against the state, and is usually reserved for a violent deposing of a government.

How is this anything but a 'coup'?   I mean, literally and figuratively? I'm sure it is a blow to the Ukraine president.

CNN sucks.


Of course it's a coup d'etat, or at least is attempting to be one. A coup definitely disrupts stability, but can be a force for good as in this case (hopefully). Viewing a coup as a bad thing in all cases would be incorrect. In this context, a coup is. A revolution but without the scale of violence normally associated with revolution.
 
2014-02-23 06:56:56 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

"Ukraine, come together and pull my finger! And change my colostomy bag afterwards!"
 
2014-02-23 07:04:46 AM

ekdikeo4: mongbiohazard: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


It would actually make no sense to destroy it all. All that shiat was bought with their money, by keeping the assets intact they can recoup some of the wealth for their country. Also they can find incriminating documentation in there. Lastly, they can use the photos and videos of the opulence for propaganda purposes ("See what we were dealing with, rest of the world?").

Do you just instantly assume that all people protesting/revolting against their government are unhinged savages who are incapable of rational thought or self-control?

No, but I would assume that once a large group of protestors have deposed the guy, they would usually destroy all his shiat.  At least, that's what usually happens, isn't it?


Not every group of protesters is mob
 
2014-02-23 07:06:13 AM
Wasn't this a nemesis for Duckman?
 
2014-02-23 07:07:21 AM

LewDux: ekdikeo4: mongbiohazard: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


It would actually make no sense to destroy it all. All that shiat was bought with their money, by keeping the assets intact they can recoup some of the wealth for their country. Also they can find incriminating documentation in there. Lastly, they can use the photos and videos of the opulence for propaganda purposes ("See what we were dealing with, rest of the world?").

Do you just instantly assume that all people protesting/revolting against their government are unhinged savages who are incapable of rational thought or self-control?

No, but I would assume that once a large group of protestors have deposed the guy, they would usually destroy all his shiat.  At least, that's what usually happens, isn't it?

Not every group of protesters is mob


I think the rooskies did a pretty good job of keeping the tsars treasures intact too.
 
2014-02-23 07:13:15 AM

Orange-Pippin: More pics if anyone is interested...

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Alphax: [img.fark.net image 500x673]

Now that's what you call a Golden Throne.


That toilet is probably from somewhere else and not his, picture existed before on the net.
 
2014-02-23 07:14:02 AM

Orange-Pippin: More pics if anyone is interested...


For whatever it's worth, the toilet pic is not from Yanukovych's place, and has been floating around the Internet for at least two years. Would fit right in, though.
 
2014-02-23 07:16:09 AM
When people are "ruled" instead of "led" things tend to get ugly.  Our politicians would do well to learn some discretion from the Ukraine.
 
2014-02-23 07:16:32 AM

cretinbob: Someone posted in another thread that they have started sending conscription notices to students

I'll just leave this here


Old news; it was Ezerex or one of his croonies that gave that order.
 
2014-02-23 07:24:05 AM

Fano: I think the rooskies did a pretty good job of keeping the tsars treasures intact too.


Princess Anastasia's hymen not included.
 
2014-02-23 07:41:15 AM

Alphax: [img.fark.net image 500x673]

Now that's what you call a Golden Throne.


I was going to comment how I was suprised by the lack of gold and tackiness that you usually see in a eastern mansion. Guess that makes up for it. I would really like to poop on that though. And the ship is pretty cool.
 
2014-02-23 07:55:11 AM

TwistedFark: child_god: Here is what CNN says:

Ukraine's president calls efforts to push him from office a 'coup'

Hmm, the President's house is occupied, at least 17 people died yesterday, and the protesters are now in charge of the government.   Coup is french for blow, and is short for the phrase coup d'etat, blow against the state, and is usually reserved for a violent deposing of a government.

How is this anything but a 'coup'?   I mean, literally and figuratively? I'm sure it is a blow to the Ukraine president.

CNN sucks.

I could be wrong about this, but I'm fairly certain that the parliament voted to oust him. He basically went missing from government and so they voted to remove him from office, which apparently they have the constitutional right to do so.

I mean, he can call "coup" all he wants - but this seems to be so only in the loosest of terms. Like when here in Australia when the labour party decided to toss Kevin Rudd in favour of Julia Gillard (and then back again). They called it a "coup" in the paper, but it was just party politics.

Also, I'm pretty sure it wasn't the protesters who had snipers shooting people in the head the other day.


-- The number of people killed stands at 88, and will probably rise, due to people being in intensive care (and missing?). Those numbers come from the Health office that worked under Ezerex, which tells you enough.

-- The Parliament did oust him, and they did a lot more than that.

-- Not only did he call "coup", he also said it was "like the Nazi's". This is a man that bought sniper rifles behind the government's back, and had a church installed at his home. You know, asking forgiveness before dinner and all ... .

It'd be interesting to see what he has taken with him. There's at least two cars missing, for starters, and those weren't cars like you and me drive. Close to the airport there is a small stash of his "regular" cars:

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Note: let's say he had 10 of these, then he only had 2 or 3 number plates. Some police officer may have gotten a little richer while allowing him to.

One of his cronies was caught trying to catch a plane with about 100.000 dollars in his pockets. Small change.

The following document lists the amount of chandeliers in Ezerex's little cottages, totaling a sum of over 42.000.000 US dollar. Yes, you read that right. The cost for cleaning one is probably close to a thousand dollars.

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Plants, 1.5 million dollars:

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A lot of these papers were recovered out of the Dniepr that runs close by, or are half burnt. Protesters and archivists are working together to try and salvage as much as possible.

When the big boss got the hell out of dodge, one of his (multiple) mistakes was to let his own security system film the whole thing. You may notice (at the very first seconds) the number of trucks leaving the premises: http://youtu.be/2ifWCBX6sDI

A fellow could indeed have a field day with the amount of stuff this motherf****r stole from the Ukrainian people.
 
2014-02-23 08:13:36 AM
I thought that the house was generally in good taste.  At least compared to other dictator abodes.
 
2014-02-23 08:24:37 AM
I'm thinking he was the Yellow King
 
2014-02-23 08:35:46 AM
Chicken Kiev would be my nickname too if I was a dictator on the run for my life.

Mostly because when they found me I'd be wrapped in breasts and stuffed with sauce!
 
2014-02-23 08:41:00 AM

HotWingAgenda: Alphax: I was never sure why Yulia went to prison.. just because he could do it?

Because Russia couldn't get away with assassinating her after their botched assassination attempt on a Yushchenko, but they still needed to send a threatening message to anyone else thinking about opposing them.


My understanding is that Yulia Tymoshenko is very pro-Russian as well.  I believe she was the one who negotiated those corrupt gas deals with Russia before Yanukovich took power.

If the Kremlin had any problem with Tymoshenko it's that she wasn't enough of a corrupt, boorish, strongman (or even strongwoman) type, and that's the kinda guy Putin wants in power.  She still tried to maintain some semblance of a free market economy in Ukraine.

Also, she was not the richest person in Ukraine before being thrown in prison, and she's not the richest now either.  There are a handful of oligarchs ahead of her (at least). see this  wiki link for some names.
 
2014-02-23 08:46:00 AM

gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.


So, Ukranians bless themselves by raising their middle fingers?
 
2014-02-23 08:48:18 AM

lazymojo: My understanding is that Yulia Tymoshenko is very pro-Russian as well. I believe she was the one who negotiated those corrupt gas deals with Russia before Yanukovich took power.


Whoa, she may be more not less corrupt (or practical, if you like her), but "very pro-Russian" she isn't
 
2014-02-23 08:51:14 AM

dfacto: As an American living in eastern Europe this underscores something important that I noticed a long time ago, and which is a really sad indictment of US culture:

These people get by with shiat wages, just had their government try to strongarm them into line, but they fought and bled for their freedom and won.  Then they take over the Big Bad's property and go through it like a museum.  What would have happened if this was the USA?  In most cities my bet is that people earning double would rampage, loot and burn the house within the day, while a crowd stands outside and chants U-S-A, U-S-A!

Despite the bad reputation the Slavic countries have due to being behind the Iron Curtain for so long, most of the people in them are still nice and cultured.  For the wages they earn and the places they live they far exceed what you would expect from a US citizen.  In my city you have areas which look like pure ghettos, with rundown soviet apartment blocks everywhere.  The occupants earn about 200 euro per month on average, and crime is still almost nonexistant and you can park your car and walk around where you need to go.  Whenever I go to those places I can't help but think that in the states that kind of place would be an urban warzone.  We really need to fix our shiat in the US, because some supposedly pinko commie slavs are showing us up every day.


In the US nothing like that will happen because it would get cracked down on before protests got big enough, if they thought the protestors were going to do anything besides 'occupy' stuff. Anyone who tried to organize anything involving shooting police or US armed forces would get snatched up and hauled off to gitmo nice and quiet before they could be a martyr. The US government is a much more well oiled machine, better able to spy on its citizenry and nip things in the bud.

Also, it wasn't a random mob breaking into that place, it was taken over by security forces looking for documents, and they let people walk around and take pictures. Those men with guns will be keeping people plenty polite, because these pictures and the narrative they convey are good press for them.
 
2014-02-23 08:52:17 AM

fusillade762: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x574]

A protester poses in a bathtub

Nothing says opulence like having a bathtub for your rocks.


It's an outhouse and that's a toilet.
 
2014-02-23 08:54:14 AM

Triumph: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x559]

This is my stop.

/Jack Daniels?


Top shelf, baby.
 
2014-02-23 09:05:55 AM
As presidential/PM residences go, it's not unreasonable.  Very, VERY nice, but not unreasonable.

As PERSONAL residences go, paid for with taxpayer cash, that is very different, of course.

Why does Ukraine still have statues of Lenin after all this time?
 
2014-02-23 09:08:03 AM
There is absolutely no doubt that Yanukovich's government is incredibly corrupt, but I call the image with light sources, at least, a fake. The reason: there is a grammatical error in the header - "contact" instead of "contract". :)

Okay, that doesn't make it a fake, but it raises questions. Like, what the hell, $42 millions and you couldn't find someone to proofread the freakin thing?

Also, the description for items is incredibly basic, like "the lamp for main room", etc. Shouldn't there be at least the name of manufacturer?

As for Tymoshenko, a guy from Maidan I know said that Maidan was not happy to see Tymoshenko. She doesn't have the trust of the people. Haven't watched her speech on Maidan myself so can't say if it's in any way true.

As for "who put her in jail", well, former president - pro-western Yushenko, the poisoned one - put a lot of effort into putting her in jail and was very clear that he considered the court to be fair and honest. Make of it what you want.
 
2014-02-23 09:25:19 AM
so i take it Yanukovich is basically a mafia puppet? how long before he sleeps with the fishes?
 
2014-02-23 09:30:52 AM

AdamK: so i take it Yanukovich is basically a mafia puppet? how long before he sleeps with the fishes?


Damned Italians!
 
2014-02-23 09:33:38 AM

fusillade762: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x574]

A protester poses in a bathtub

Nothing says opulence like having a bathtub for your rocks.


Well, who wants dirty rocks in the house?  Gotta keep them clean somehow.
 
2014-02-23 09:33:45 AM

Grahor: As for "who put her in jail", well, former president - pro-western Yushenko, the poisoned one - put a lot of effort into putting her in jail and was very clear that he considered the court to be fair and honest. Make of it what you want.


Here is a list of organizations that didn't consider the court to be fair and honest:

The European Union
The United States (and Canada)
Human Rights Watch
Amnesty International

oh and... Russia as well. Old Putin himself expressed dismay at the sentence she received and the government officially stated that they believed the trial was politically motivated.

I don't know about you, but when you've got the US and Russia who can't usually agree if water is wet saying the entire affair was rotten, then I think you have to take a step back and give her a huge benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, on the grounds of economic policy, she's always been the smart one out of a lousy bunch. I won't say (because I don't know) if she's squeaky clean in her personal life, but as a politician, she certainly did better for her country than nearly everyone who came before her did.
 
2014-02-23 09:37:27 AM

supageil: All photos of his tacky, nouveau-riche home aside, I nominate "Chicken Kiev" as this man's forever-nickname.

Suits the bastard perfectly.


Yeah, I thought it was a great move by subby.
 
2014-02-23 09:49:00 AM
So Chicken Kiev is basically Cordon Bleu huh?
 
2014-02-23 09:51:55 AM
I'll be damned, it looks very similar to the house I tend to build in Minecraft.

/from the outside.  saw no sign of a brewing stand, or basement farms
// nor creeper holes dotting the landscape
 
2014-02-23 09:59:03 AM
"When he took power in 2010, the country had two possible futures: One was under his authortiran rule, the other was as a member of the EU."

Why do mods continue to greenlight Daily Fail articles?

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU? That's not on the table at all. It hasn't ever been on the table.

farking Daily Fail journalist are anti-EU morons, and they're perpetuating this to their equally ignorant readers.
 
2014-02-23 10:02:39 AM

spawn73: "When he took power in 2010, the country had two possible futures: One was under his authortiran rule, the other was as a member of the EU."

Why do mods continue to greenlight Daily Fail articles?

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU? That's not on the table at all. It hasn't ever been on the table.

farking Daily Fail journalist are anti-EU morons, and they're perpetuating this to their equally ignorant readers.

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU?


Slowly?
 
2014-02-23 10:06:23 AM

Orange-Pippin: More pics if anyone is interested...


That toilet is the best thing I ever saw
 
2014-02-23 10:09:13 AM

dfacto: As an American living in eastern Europe this underscores something important that I noticed a long time ago, and which is a really sad indictment of US culture:

These people get by with shiat wages, just had their government try to strongarm them into line, but they fought and bled for their freedom and won.  Then they take over the Big Bad's property and go through it like a museum.  What would have happened if this was the USA?  In most cities my bet is that people earning double would rampage, loot and burn the house within the day, while a crowd stands outside and chants U-S-A, U-S-A!

Despite the bad reputation the Slavic countries have due to being behind the Iron Curtain for so long, most of the people in them are still nice and cultured.  For the wages they earn and the places they live they far exceed what you would expect from a US citizen.  In my city you have areas which look like pure ghettos, with rundown soviet apartment blocks everywhere.  The occupants earn about 200 euro per month on average, and crime is still almost nonexistant and you can park your car and walk around where you need to go.  Whenever I go to those places I can't help but think that in the states that kind of place would be an urban warzone.  We really need to fix our shiat in the US, because some supposedly pinko commie slavs are showing us up every day.


Mind if I ask why you moved to an eastern European impoverished ghetto?
 
2014-02-23 10:09:15 AM

spawn73: "When he took power in 2010, the country had two possible futures: One was under his authortiran rule, the other was as a member of the EU."

Why do mods continue to greenlight Daily Fail articles?

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU? That's not on the table at all. It hasn't ever been on the table.

farking Daily Fail journalist are anti-EU morons, and they're perpetuating this to their equally ignorant readers.


I think they are using the word "join" very loosely. Obviously signing an association agreement or a free trade agreement isn't in the same ballpark as becoming a member state.

That being said, the agreement with Ukraine (and the other Eastern European countries) didn't include, or exclude a path to EU membership. So, it's not a very sweet deal for them. Given that the association agreements offered to the Western Balkans  did include a path to membership, the logical conclusion is that they (the EU) just kicked this decision down the road so as to not get into a thorny political situation with Russia.

So frankly, I think it was less about what the anti-EU people in the UK think (and who isn't getting tired of hearing them whinge all the time?) but instead more about keeping Putin from getting his back up. Even if the Ukraine was a paragon of good government, the rule of law, and economic policies, no one would go that far.
 
2014-02-23 10:10:35 AM

ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


You don't make sense.

That people are able to organise over a 3 month period in a democratic and civil society. You think this is strange?
 
2014-02-23 10:10:48 AM

Hiro-ACiD: Lsherm: I was wondering what was keeping them from kicking in the windows to get to the dining room - or what was keeping them from stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Maybe Ukrainians are just well behaved mobbers?

Why would you expect them to behave like the thieves they're removing from their government? That would make far less sense than peacefully occupying the grounds as they have and showing the world what has been stolen from them...


Because revolutionary mobs are known for doing things that make sense and having no regrets when the dust settles...
 
2014-02-23 10:12:24 AM

Lsherm: I was wondering what was keeping them from kicking in the windows to get to the dining room - or what was keeping them from stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Maybe Ukrainians are just well behaved mobbers?


The armed guards are there protecting the place are kinda keeping the mobsters at bay. The captions to the pictures, the article and the pictures themselves include guards.
 
2014-02-23 10:15:18 AM
An interesting example of a "modern" revolution.

Not the estate really...


What IS interesting...is all the pics of protesters taking pics, lounging, doing selfies with their cell phones,
with many of them in para-military outfits, Kevlar vests...or just in normal modern winter outfits.
Kind of surreal.
 
2014-02-23 10:17:51 AM

spawn73: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?

You don't make sense.

That people are able to organise over a 3 month period in a democratic and civil society. You think this is strange?


Yes?  Excessively strange and almost wholly unique in the history of human society.  In the face of enough anger to cause a revolution, the people (not as individuals but as a seething mass of revolutionary fervor) can hold it together enough to avoid cutting heads off, holding public executions after (if we're lucky) show trials, or burning the infrastructure to the ground?

Where else has this happened that I can see how normal this is?  Typically, regime changes are bloody, messy, destructive affairs, followed by a systematic and symbolic dismantling of everything held sacred by the old guard.

This is super impressive to me.
 
2014-02-23 10:19:24 AM

mongbiohazard: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


It would actually make no sense to destroy it all. All that shiat was bought with their money, by keeping the assets intact they can recoup some of the wealth for their country. Also they can find incriminating documentation in there. Lastly, they can use the photos and videos of the opulence for propaganda purposes ("See what we were dealing with, rest of the world?").

Do you just instantly assume that all people protesting/revolting against their government are unhinged savages who are incapable of rational thought or self-control?


I kinda came to the conclusion that he lives in an area where people riot and loot Walmart everytime there's a brownout.

Fortunatly most areas in the civilized world isn't like that. Especially not when there's a well organised movement organised to take control of the situation.

People, AFAIK, didn't loot during the Arab revolutions either. Because the "rebels" took control of the situation.
 
2014-02-23 10:20:02 AM

JonathanChance: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x450]
I guess this guy was also the Jay Leno of Soviet cars.


img.fark.net

People at the top all share similar pathologies.  Doesn't matter if they claim to be capitalists, communists, Nazis,  Islamists, whatever.   The average Wall St crook has more in common with that little freak running North Korean than either does the average man/woman from his own country.

Have a look just part of the collection of cars owned by the late Tito, dictator of communist Yugoslavia.

www.novosti.rs

Here's a picture of Tito and Brezhnev on a hunting trip.  Notice the hog-leg Colt on fat Brezhnev's hip.  That revolver was a gift from Chuck Connors.

cille85.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-23 10:55:54 AM

TwistedFark: spawn73: "When he took power in 2010, the country had two possible futures: One was under his authortiran rule, the other was as a member of the EU."

Why do mods continue to greenlight Daily Fail articles?

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU? That's not on the table at all. It hasn't ever been on the table.

farking Daily Fail journalist are anti-EU morons, and they're perpetuating this to their equally ignorant readers.

I think they are using the word "join" very loosely. Obviously signing an association agreement or a free trade agreement isn't in the same ballpark as becoming a member state.

That being said, the agreement with Ukraine (and the other Eastern European countries) didn't include, or exclude a path to EU membership. So, it's not a very sweet deal for them. Given that the association agreements offered to the Western Balkans  did include a path to membership, the logical conclusion is that they (the EU) just kicked this decision down the road so as to not get into a thorny political situation with Russia.


IMHO the economic crisis, and the situation in Greece in particular, has changed the situation a lot for comming applicants. Not only is Ukraine huge and poor, they're also awfully corrupt.

So kicking it down the road as you put it, probably hasn't been a hard decision to make.

Turkey is btw. on a path to EU membership since 1999, and we all know when they're going to join. ;)
 
2014-02-23 11:01:39 AM

Fissile: Have a look just part of the collection of cars owned by the late Tito, dictator of communist Yugoslavia.


That looks less like part of a "collection" and more like part of his working motor fleet.

There's some interesting stuff regarding Tito in Richard Burton's diaries, of all places. Seems that Burton whored himself out for a biopic of Tito and he and Liz were treated to some Yugo-style high living in the bargain.
 
2014-02-23 11:11:04 AM

LewDux: wildbill0712: I really don't get the 'OMG, he had a big bathtub and helicopter pad' outrage. How is this that much different than the hundreds of politicians in the US that miraculously become multi-millionaires while in office?

Yeah, it's pad they are "outraged" about


You know who else was outraged about pa-**KNIFED**
 
2014-02-23 11:13:20 AM

ransack.: dfacto: As an American living in eastern Europe this underscores something important that I noticed a long time ago, and which is a really sad indictment of US culture:

These people get by with shiat wages, just had their government try to strongarm them into line, but they fought and bled for their freedom and won.  Then they take over the Big Bad's property and go through it like a museum.  What would have happened if this was the USA?  In most cities my bet is that people earning double would rampage, loot and burn the house within the day, while a crowd stands outside and chants U-S-A, U-S-A!

Despite the bad reputation the Slavic countries have due to being behind the Iron Curtain for so long, most of the people in them are still nice and cultured.  For the wages they earn and the places they live they far exceed what you would expect from a US citizen.  In my city you have areas which look like pure ghettos, with rundown soviet apartment blocks everywhere.  The occupants earn about 200 euro per month on average, and crime is still almost nonexistant and you can park your car and walk around where you need to go.  Whenever I go to those places I can't help but think that in the states that kind of place would be an urban warzone.  We really need to fix our shiat in the US, because some supposedly pinko commie slavs are showing us up every day.

Mind if I ask why you moved to an eastern European impoverished ghetto?


he was actually talking about living in gary indiana for 2 weeks.
 
2014-02-23 11:23:27 AM

BeesNuts: spawn73: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?

You don't make sense.

That people are able to organise over a 3 month period in a democratic and civil society. You think this is strange?

Yes?  Excessively strange and almost wholly unique in the history of human society.  In the face of enough anger to cause a revolution, the people (not as individuals but as a seething mass of revolutionary fervor) can hold it together enough to avoid cutting heads off, holding public executions after (if we're lucky) show trials, or burning the infrastructure to the ground?

Where else has this happened that I can see how normal this is?  Typically, regime changes are bloody, messy, destructive affairs, followed by a systematic and symbolic dismantling of everything held sacred by the old guard.

This is super impressive to me.


Well, fair enough that you don't remember the aftermath of WW2 in Western-Europe where the Germans didn't fight, but rather just left.

But you're obviously also to young to remember the fall of the Berlin wall.

Romania had a show trial, but not under the premises you put up. That show trial was still rational, calculated and orderly. It was done because Securitate was still offering organised resistance, and there were a real fear that they would liberate Ceaușescu. Furthermore, they obviously hoped the fighting would stop with him dead.

Drawing a parallel to Mousolini. There weren't a show trial, he was in an orderly fashion put in jail. The Nazis then send in the SS and liberated him, reinstating him in power in Northern Italy (In Trento perhaps?). Next time they got a hold of him, they made sure to kill him. Lesson learned. ;)
 
2014-02-23 11:26:49 AM
So, what's the over-under on this guy's Presidency ending up against the wall, Ceaușescu-style?
 
2014-02-23 11:34:00 AM

spawn73: TwistedFark: spawn73: "When he took power in 2010, the country had two possible futures: One was under his authortiran rule, the other was as a member of the EU."

Why do mods continue to greenlight Daily Fail articles?

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU? That's not on the table at all. It hasn't ever been on the table.

farking Daily Fail journalist are anti-EU morons, and they're perpetuating this to their equally ignorant readers.

I think they are using the word "join" very loosely. Obviously signing an association agreement or a free trade agreement isn't in the same ballpark as becoming a member state.

That being said, the agreement with Ukraine (and the other Eastern European countries) didn't include, or exclude a path to EU membership. So, it's not a very sweet deal for them. Given that the association agreements offered to the Western Balkans  did include a path to membership, the logical conclusion is that they (the EU) just kicked this decision down the road so as to not get into a thorny political situation with Russia.

IMHO the economic crisis, and the situation in Greece in particular, has changed the situation a lot for comming applicants. Not only is Ukraine huge and poor, they're also awfully corrupt.

So kicking it down the road as you put it, probably hasn't been a hard decision to make.

Turkey is btw. on a path to EU membership since 1999, and we all know when they're going to join. ;)


Oh, I don't think it was a particularly hard decision to make, but I'm stating that I believe that public whinging has far less of an influence on EU policy than people perceive it has, especially if someone just reads conservative rags from the UK (and that's all that is ever linked here in Fark).

As you stated - we all know how Turkey's EU membership is going (and didn't they sign an association agreement or something equivalent like back in the farking 60's?) so I wouldn't put it past the EU leadership to dangle membership like a carrot in front of someone's face, particularly if it meant they could coheres them into operating against Russia's national interests. After all, it costs them nothing to do so.
 
2014-02-23 12:00:52 PM
Looks like scenes from animal farm.
 
2014-02-23 12:12:40 PM

cretinbob: Someone posted in another thread that they have started sending conscription notices to students

I'll just leave this here


God Sandinista sucked.
 
2014-02-23 12:20:54 PM

spawn73: Well, fair enough that you don't remember the aftermath of WW2 in Western-Europe where the Germans didn't fight, but rather just left.


1) That was a revolution? and 2) There wasn't a whole lot left to loot, was there?
 
2014-02-23 12:22:19 PM

TwistedFark: I don't know about you, but when you've got the US and Russia who can't usually agree if water is wet saying the entire affair was rotten, then I think you have to take a step back and give her a huge benefit of the doubt.


That's easy to explain. She was a pretty pro-Russian politician, siding with Russia and Putin in a number of situations, and against Yushchenko himself. That's why Russia was showing its dismay in the imprisonment.

As for the US, trials were happening under Yanukovich, who was supposed to be a pro-Russian candidate, so, obviously, it's not as if he could do anything right.

That doesn't say anything about the merits of the case, of course. She may be completely innocent or completely guilty of everything. I'm a cynic in that area and I pretty much consider most of the declarations on legality of trials by US/Russia politically motivated. I doubt actual merits of the case had any significant importance in their declarations.

My own comment was made rather to ruffle some feathers here, for the majority of posts base their opinion about the situation on who was "pro-western", and therefore good and correct, or "pro-Russian" and therefore evil and wrong. I wanted to show that two pro-western "white knights" could bitterly hate each other and sabotage each other at any cost and at expense of the country.

Anyway, on the grounds of economic policy, she's always been the smart one out of a lousy bunch. I won't say (because I don't know) if she's squeaky clean in her personal life, but as a politician, she certainly did better for her country than nearly everyone who came before her did.

I would actually love to see any of her economic achievements. Could you provide some links/explanations? While it's not hard to be better in the economy than the bunch of doofuses who are Ukrainian politicians, both ruling party and opposition, I haven't heard about much of anything achieved by her economically. Didn't pay much attention in the 2007-2010 period, though, so I'm interested to learn more.
 
2014-02-23 12:27:46 PM

DrBenway: 1) That was a revolution? and 2) There wasn't a whole lot left to loot, was there?


For 1: it was very similar to a revolution in that all the organs of power and organisation have disappeared/dissolved, creating the vacuum of power, and people had to self-organize in very limited amount of time and under pressure. The similarities in the processes are significant.

For 2: there is always something to loot, but the thing is, that it's quite often that people self-organize into some resemblance of order rather quickly. It is a surprising thing for us cynics, but somehow people willing and capable to organize others appear in critical situations quite often.
 
2014-02-23 12:42:44 PM

DrBenway: Fissile: Have a look just part of the collection of cars owned by the late Tito, dictator of communist Yugoslavia.

That looks less like part of a "collection" and more like part of his working motor fleet.

There's some interesting stuff regarding Tito in Richard Burton's diaries, of all places. Seems that Burton whored himself out for a biopic of Tito and he and Liz were treated to some Yugo-style high living in the bargain.


All of the cars were "official", including the Lincolns, Cadillacs, and sports cars.
 
2014-02-23 12:54:50 PM

Emposter: Why does Ukraine still have statues of Lenin after all this time?


I don't know - why does Seattle?

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-02-23 12:59:34 PM

dfacto: As an American living in eastern Europe this underscores something important that I noticed a long time ago, and which is a really sad indictment of US culture:

These people get by with shiat wages, just had their government try to strongarm them into line, but they fought and bled for their freedom and won.  Then they take over the Big Bad's property and go through it like a museum.  What would have happened if this was the USA?  In most cities my bet is that people earning double would rampage, loot and burn the house within the day, while a crowd stands outside and chants U-S-A, U-S-A!

Despite the bad reputation the Slavic countries have due to being behind the Iron Curtain for so long, most of the people in them are still nice and cultured.  For the wages they earn and the places they live they far exceed what you would expect from a US citizen.  In my city you have areas which look like pure ghettos, with rundown soviet apartment blocks everywhere.  The occupants earn about 200 euro per month on average, and crime is still almost nonexistant and you can park your car and walk around where you need to go.  Whenever I go to those places I can't help but think that in the states that kind of place would be an urban warzone.  We really need to fix our shiat in the US, because some supposedly pinko commie slavs are showing us up every day.


This.  I thought that if there were protests in the US, scruffy bagger carry types would show up and help the cops/Blackwater shoot the hippie/loser/moran unMurican protestors.
 
2014-02-23 01:13:32 PM

Grahor: TwistedFark: I don't know about you, but when you've got the US and Russia who can't usually agree if water is wet saying the entire affair was rotten, then I think you have to take a step back and give her a huge benefit of the doubt.

That's easy to explain. She was a pretty pro-Russian politician, siding with Russia and Putin in a number of situations, and against Yushchenko himself. That's why Russia was showing its dismay in the imprisonment.

As for the US, trials were happening under Yanukovich, who was supposed to be a pro-Russian candidate, so, obviously, it's not as if he could do anything right.

That doesn't say anything about the merits of the case, of course. She may be completely innocent or completely guilty of everything. I'm a cynic in that area and I pretty much consider most of the declarations on legality of trials by US/Russia politically motivated. I doubt actual merits of the case had any significant importance in their declarations.

My own comment was made rather to ruffle some feathers here, for the majority of posts base their opinion about the situation on who was "pro-western", and therefore good and correct, or "pro-Russian" and therefore evil and wrong. I wanted to show that two pro-western "white knights" could bitterly hate each other and sabotage each other at any cost and at expense of the country.

Anyway, on the grounds of economic policy, she's always been the smart one out of a lousy bunch. I won't say (because I don't know) if she's squeaky clean in her personal life, but as a politician, she certainly did better for her country than nearly everyone who came before her did.

I would actually love to see any of her economic achievements. Could you provide some links/explanations? While it's not hard to be better in the economy than the bunch of doofuses who are Ukrainian politicians, both ruling party and opposition, I haven't heard about much of anything achieved by her economically. Didn't pay much attention in the 2007-2010 ...


Key economic achievements of Tymoshenko's government:  Increased salaries, pensions, scholarships; Fulfilled one of the paragraphs of social program from Yushchenko's election agenda on support for new families: in 2005 a social aid for a newborn child was increased 12 times; "Contraband stop" campaign was launched. The campaign was accompanied by eradication of shadow schemes in business; Call for nationalization and re-privatization of more than 3000 enterprises. Eventually the government nationalized and then re-privatized country's biggest metallurgical plant "Kryvorizhstal". In October 2005 it was sold for $4 billion to a new owner, which was an impressive amount compared to $8.5 billion received by the government from privatization between 1991 and 2004; On June 16, 2005 president Viktor Yushchenko, speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Volodymyr Lytvyn and Yulia Tymoshenko signed a memorandum on guarantees of ownership rights and ensuring lawfulness for their implementation. According to Yushchenko, "Ukrainian government brought murky privatization practice to the end"; Reaction to crises on internal market[edit] In April-May 2005 Ukraine faced so called "meat, sugar and petrol crises" when prices for the abovementioned products went up by 30-50% over a couple of weeks. These crises allegedly resulted from a cartel conspiracy and it took Tymoshenko's government about 1,5 month to get the prices down to the initial level with the help of "goods intervention" mechanism; The meat crisis was caused by increased demand for meat as a result of increased salaries. Tymoshenko's government lifted duties on imported meat, which dropped the speculative prices Tymoshenko's political opponents (Yushchenko and Yanukovych) kept criticizing her for importing "low quality meet". At that time Tymoshenko's government made a decision to increase production of poultry, which eventually made Ukraine a poultry exporter. The sugar and petrol crises were caused by a "cartel conspiracy" which increased prices for the abovementioned goods by 30-50%. Tymoshenko's government organized import of cane sugar and dropped duties on oil products import. In a couple of months the prices stabilized. In 2006 Anti Monopoly Committee, who investigated the "sugar crisis" issued a conclusion which said that it was a cartel monopoly with a participation of Petro Poroshenko, then-head of the National Council of Security and Defense. In May 2005, at the height of the petrol crisis, Viktor Yushchenko publicly sharply criticized Tymoshenko for "pressure on oil traders".I also believe she has a P.H.D. in economics... at least she's written a dissertation.
 
2014-02-23 01:16:19 PM

wildbill0712: I really don't get the 'OMG, he had a big bathtub and helicopter pad' outrage. How is this that much different than the hundreds of politicians in the US that miraculously become multi-millionaires while in office?


And his own golf course. You would think he would be more careful with the people's money and just fly to Hawaii when he wants to play a round.
 
2014-02-23 01:21:56 PM

BMulligan: Emposter: Why does Ukraine still have statues of Lenin after all this time?

I don't know - why does Seattle?

[s3.amazonaws.com image 498x332]


Quit For Quot (excuse my French)
 
2014-02-23 01:24:41 PM

gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.


Crucifying crows or pigeons can be an effective way of scaring them off, works for rats too.

Those almost look like birds of prey, though, which is weird. Any ornithologists care to opine?
 
2014-02-23 01:26:26 PM

shokokuphoenix: Those are goshawks... The brown ones are juveniles and the gray blue ones are adults. The only reason you'd kill and display dead goshawks like that would be if you were a landskeeper who kept game birds for hunting and didn't like the raptorial competition. They display them like that in order to 'scare off' other hawks (hint: it doesn't work). Poor goshawks... that breaks my heart. :(


Thanks, disregard previous query
 
2014-02-23 01:37:55 PM
i.dailymail.co.uki.dailymail.co.uk

Very smart. This is definitely a step up from what we're used to seeing in South America or the Middle East.
 
2014-02-23 02:41:42 PM
>>Key economic achievements of Tymoshenko's government<<

That's the first government, less than a year, right after the elections. I wouldn't call it particularly spectacular. Budget allocations and cartel breaking through importation are, while indubitably positive, pretty much basic governing, everyday stuff, not particularly complex or demanding.

"Call for nationalization and re-privatization of more than 3000 enterprises" sounds a bit fishy. Yes, previous privatizations were shadowy and outright criminal sometimes, nationalization is pretty much legalized theft, isn't it? And nationalization/re-privatization is a wonderful tool to punish your enemies and reward your friends, eh.

Sure, in case of Kryvorizhstal it worked out pretty well, so she has that going for her, at least.

"At that time Tymoshenko's government made a decision to increase production of poultry, which eventually made Ukraine a poultry exporter." - well, it's a good decision, but, again, somehow I don't see it being all that seriously economistic. :)

That's pretty much it, though. And considering that her second government (2.5 years?) achieved pretty much bumpkins, while Transparency International shows, that corruption perception index have dropped from 2.7 to 2.2 (the larger the index, the less corruption) - a spectacularly bad result, as corruption's perception goes.

>>I also believe she has a P.H.D. in economics... at least she's written a dissertation.<<

Well, that certainly puts her ahead, comparing to Klitschko's Ph.D. in Sports or Tyahnybok's Ph.D. in fighting "Moscow-Jewish mafia". Unfortunately, Ukrainian political arena is pretty thin on economists and good politicians overall...
 
2014-02-23 02:58:12 PM

Grahor: That's the first government, less than a year, right after the elections. I wouldn't call it particularly spectacular. Budget allocations and cartel breaking through importation are, while indubitably positive, pretty much basic governing, everyday stuff, not particularly complex or demanding.


Move goalposts much?
 
2014-02-23 02:59:02 PM
Headline of the week material, subby. :)
 
2014-02-23 03:02:59 PM
TFA sucks... Sure, there's a picture of a nice house and then one of a jacuzzi. Then there's more exterior shots of the same nice house bug farking deal. You wanna generate some outrage, then show me some outrage worthy pictures.

Jesus, the shiat they call "joirnalism" nowadays... Lazy bullshiat. I have no idea if the other pics in this thread are from this house, but If they are, the farker responsible has already done about 10x the work of whoever out together this shiatty story, and for that I thank him(her).
 
2014-02-23 03:03:34 PM

TwistedFark: Grahor: That's the first government, less than a year, right after the elections. I wouldn't call it particularly spectacular. Budget allocations and cartel breaking through importation are, while indubitably positive, pretty much basic governing, everyday stuff, not particularly complex or demanding.


Move goalposts much?



I'm sorry? Basic governing right after reelections is somehow an exceptional achievement? I've accepted nationalization and re-privatization of Kryvorizhstal as a pretty noticeable achievement indeed, but I was hoping that there would be a bit more exceptional achievements.
 
2014-02-23 03:07:25 PM

NEDM: narkor: Yulia Tymoshenko was believed to be the richest person in Ukraine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Tymoshenko - so it's interesting that social media is having a go at the person who replaced her for being a rich bastard.

Did she get rich before or DURING her time as a government leader?  The details are important, here.


Considering the reports of people in the crowd saying "she doesn't speak for us" (BBC timeline yesterday, including twitter reports of those in the crowd), and the fact that some Ukrainians consider her to be almost as corrupt as Yanuk(can't spell the rest of his name), I'm gonna go with during. Also consider the fact that the West (EU and US) refused to deal with Ukraine on the matters of trade and such (still confused as to whether or not they had an EU membership pending, but I know there were major trade matters, such as an EU/IMF financial bailout) until she was released from prison. The West tends to be pretty big on human rights (except when we ourselves are violating them), but it's pretty rare that the West will withhold necessary assistance from the people over a single individual being imprisoned when the vast majority of their convictions have not been contested by international courts (which Tymoshenko's were not--the point of contention was allowing her to go to Germany for medical care for a back injury).
 
2014-02-23 03:11:22 PM
>>EU membership pending<<

There was never, at any point, any EU memberships pending for Ukraine. EU is not going there.
 
2014-02-23 03:38:31 PM
Here's my stupid question: when did the Ukraine stop being the Ukraine and start being Ukraine? When I was a kid we would have said "Meanwhile, in the Ukraine," while now it's "Meanwhile, in Ukraine."

I are confused.
 
2014-02-23 03:50:52 PM

LewDux: lazymojo: My understanding is that Yulia Tymoshenko is very pro-Russian as well. I believe she was the one who negotiated those corrupt gas deals with Russia before Yanukovich took power.

Whoa, she may be more not less corrupt (or practical, if you like her), but "very pro-Russian" she isn't


???
static.guim.co.uk

google her and Putin to see practically a photo album of her sucking up to Russia after signing billions of Ukrainian dollars over to Russian for insanely inflated natural gas in 2010.

Idiot.
 
2014-02-23 03:51:25 PM
imageshack.com
 
2014-02-23 03:59:44 PM
So, does anybody know where opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko lived when she was ousted from power and thrown in prison?
 
2014-02-23 04:00:41 PM

lazymojo: LewDux: lazymojo: My understanding is that Yulia Tymoshenko is very pro-Russian as well. I believe she was the one who negotiated those corrupt gas deals with Russia before Yanukovich took power.

Whoa, she may be more not less corrupt (or practical, if you like her), but "very pro-Russian" she isn't

???
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

google her and Putin to see practically a photo album of her sucking up to Russia after signing billions of Ukrainian dollars over to Russian for insanely inflated natural gas in 2010.

Idiot.


Wow, she's lucky no one from her supporters noticed that
 
2014-02-23 04:01:17 PM

Stoker: So, does anybody know where opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko lived when she was ousted from power and thrown in prison?


In prison or prison hospital
 
2014-02-23 04:04:43 PM
I like how there's so much discussion as to whether or not it was a "coup" - as if it being a coup or not actually means anything at all.
 
2014-02-23 04:31:30 PM

Stoker: [imageshack.com image 700x544]


img.fark.net

They know that they can divide the place up into at least 30 condos.  Even a couple of rooms in this place is way ahead of the squalor they currently live in.
 
2014-02-23 04:35:11 PM

Fissile: Stoker: [imageshack.com image 700x544]

[img.fark.net image 700x544]

They know that they can divide the place up into at least 30 condos.  Even a couple of rooms in this place is way ahead of the squalor they currently live in.


Says the American - very few places in Ukraine are as squalid as some sections of America
 
2014-02-23 04:36:09 PM
I'm impressed with how organised they are.  Looking for paperwork, security from looting etc.  I wish they did that in Iraq.  Not bad for a rag tag bunch of "protesters".
 
2014-02-23 04:37:10 PM

Mikey1969: TFA sucks... Sure, there's a picture of a nice house and then one of a jacuzzi. Then there's more exterior shots of the same nice house bug farking deal. You wanna generate some outrage, then show me some outrage worthy pictures.

Jesus, the shiat they call "joirnalism" nowadays... Lazy bullshiat. I have no idea if the other pics in this thread are from this house, but If they are, the farker responsible has already done about 10x the work of whoever out together this shiatty story, and for that I thank him(her).


This is the Daily Fail we're talking about. Does anyone call that "journalism?"
 
2014-02-23 05:13:35 PM

Canton: Mikey1969: TFA sucks... Sure, there's a picture of a nice house and then one of a jacuzzi. Then there's more exterior shots of the same nice house bug farking deal. You wanna generate some outrage, then show me some outrage worthy pictures.

Jesus, the shiat they call "joirnalism" nowadays... Lazy bullshiat. I have no idea if the other pics in this thread are from this house, but If they are, the farker responsible has already done about 10x the work of whoever out together this shiatty story, and for that I thank him(her).

This is the Daily Fail we're talking about. Does anyone call that "journalism?"


The sad part is that this is the one place where the Daily Fail can actually shine... Their layout and style sucks 99.99% of the time, they have an even higher failure rate than Cracked, but this is the kind of story where it should actually be one of their success stories, an opportunity for a lot of big pretty pics, without a lot of real descriptions needed.

Yet they fell down on the job...

Not that I really expected a lot from them, you're right...
 
2014-02-23 05:25:26 PM

ransack.: BMulligan: Emposter: Why does Ukraine still have statues of Lenin after all this time?

I don't know - why does Seattle?

Wikipedia has an article detailing the history of the statue you pictured. So can you answer his question or are you just here to be a smartass and not contribute to the conversation in any meaningful way? Because I'm getting awful sick and fed up with constantly wading through the shiat of your ilk.


Nice bicycle you've got. Is it a Huffy? I bet it's a Huffy.
 
2014-02-23 05:38:29 PM

BeesNuts: Hiro-ACiD: Lsherm: I was wondering what was keeping them from kicking in the windows to get to the dining room - or what was keeping them from stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Maybe Ukrainians are just well behaved mobbers?

Why would you expect them to behave like the thieves they're removing from their government? That would make far less sense than peacefully occupying the grounds as they have and showing the world what has been stolen from them...

Because revolutionary mobs are known for doing things that make sense and having no regrets when the dust settles...


OK, first of all, they were not a mob. They were led by the actual elected opposition. They were organized to the point where they had tactical plans and logistics ready to go. They had a coherent strategy. Under no definition can they be labeled a mob.
 
2014-02-23 05:39:11 PM

Grahor: There is absolutely no doubt that Yanukovich's government is incredibly corrupt, but I call the image with light sources, at least, a fake. The reason: there is a grammatical error in the header - "contact" instead of "contract". :)

Okay, that doesn't make it a fake, but it raises questions. Like, what the hell, $42 millions and you couldn't find someone to proofread the freakin thing?

Also, the description for items is incredibly basic, like "the lamp for main room", etc. Shouldn't there be at least the name of manufacturer?



So that's the route you're going now? It's all fake, a conspiracy plot organized by the people of Ukraine? The whole place is a cardboard filmstage filled with Western backed actors?

If anything, I'm surprised about the detail in the listings; why would he list it all if he didn't need healthy accountancy? Almost none of the wealth was rightfully his anyway, and if he wanted some cash all he did was ask someone or stamp another document. My guess is he wanted to be able to brag, simple as that.
 
2014-02-23 05:55:31 PM

flexflint: Grahor: There is absolutely no doubt that Yanukovich's government is incredibly corrupt, but I call the image with light sources, at least, a fake. The reason: there is a grammatical error in the header - "contact" instead of "contract". :)

Okay, that doesn't make it a fake, but it raises questions. Like, what the hell, $42 millions and you couldn't find someone to proofread the freakin thing?

Also, the description for items is incredibly basic, like "the lamp for main room", etc. Shouldn't there be at least the name of manufacturer?


So that's the route you're going now? It's all fake, a conspiracy plot organized by the people of Ukraine? The whole place is a cardboard filmstage filled with Western backed actors?

If anything, I'm surprised about the detail in the listings; why would he list it all if he didn't need healthy accountancy? Almost none of the wealth was rightfully his anyway, and if he wanted some cash all he did was ask someone or stamp another document. My guess is he wanted to be able to brag, simple as that.


He was jailed as a teenager for pickpocketing, he didn't want to take chances any more "Vsio v zakone"
 
2014-02-23 05:57:51 PM

LewDux: Stoker: So, does anybody know where opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko lived when she was ousted from power and thrown in prison?

In prison or prison hospital

Ha ha, you got me... So where are the nuclear wessles in Alameda? Ha ha.

So, does anybody know where opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko lived BEFORE she was ousted from power and thrown in prison?
 
2014-02-23 06:11:08 PM

ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


I think it's a number of factors.

1. They won almost instantaneously, skipping directly from "getting the shiat beat out of us by helmeted soldiers" to "dictator snuck out in the middle of the night" without going through the crucial "tide is turning, now we bring the fight to THEM" phase that would have meant that their torch-wielding mob contained actual torches.

2. The protests weren't (really) about this guy's mega-billionaire lifestyle. He probably wasn't living any more opulently than they thought he was.

3. It's one thing to sit your peasant ass down on the plushy presidential sofa, or make yourself a drink from the bar. But it'd be kind of a dick move to smash the crystal toilet before other rioters have had a chance to ooh and ahh over it.

4. The recently re-legitimized (and already in-place) authorities clearly have guys on the scene, and they're obviously taking a pragmatic approach to damage control. I'd guess that it's already much harder to sneak in and get a selfie with the tiny giraffe than it was yesterday.
 
2014-02-23 06:12:40 PM

Alphax: [img.fark.net image 500x673]

Now that's what you call a Golden Throne.


Pfff, sure, it's blinged out, but there's only  one of them. In neighboring Russia, even the poorest Olympic villages have no fewer than two toilets per bathroom.
 
2014-02-23 06:47:19 PM

forgotmydamnusername: gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.
[i.imgur.com image 850x850]

To put the most charitable possible spin on it, perhaps the birds were being hung for future consumption. Still, I don't think this is normally done by crucifying them.


At least if they were upside down I could see it being explained as letting the blood drain out.
 
2014-02-23 08:09:56 PM
So people are wandering around the ostentatiously opulent erstwhile abode of Chicken Kiev (love that name btw Subby) seemingly in good spirits as recently released from prison ex-president and leader of the opposition Yulia T speaks to the crowds at the barricades while still sort of president Viktor Y flees to the eastern, more Russified section of Ukraine in order to try to consolidate his power base anew.

Dayum. Shiat is getting real.

Got to admit I am impressed by the Ukrainian people's resolve, perseverance, foresight and finally restraint here.

Great journalism? Not by a long shot but by usual Daily Fail standards it's a Pulitzer prize winner.
 
2014-02-23 08:23:10 PM

Stone Meadow: So, what's the over-under on this guy's Presidency ending up against the wall, Ceaușescu-style?


Pretty low. Nations serious about EU membership don't shoot people, even politicians. Not to mention Ceauşescu had a lot more time to do a lot more damage. Villa Chicken Kiev is nothing compared to the Palace of Parliament in Bucharest.

On the other hand, it's a fair bet Chicken Kiev has a one way trip to the Hague in his future the minute he's apprehended.
 
2014-02-23 08:33:14 PM

Alphax: [img.fark.net image 500x673]

Now that's what you call a Golden Throne.


So, uh, where's the TP?
 
2014-02-23 08:33:55 PM

LewDux: flexflint: Grahor: There is absolutely no doubt that Yanukovich's government is incredibly corrupt, but I call the image with light sources, at least, a fake. The reason: there is a grammatical error in the header - "contact" instead of "contract". :)

Okay, that doesn't make it a fake, but it raises questions. Like, what the hell, $42 millions and you couldn't find someone to proofread the freakin thing?

Also, the description for items is incredibly basic, like "the lamp for main room", etc. Shouldn't there be at least the name of manufacturer?


So that's the route you're going now? It's all fake, a conspiracy plot organized by the people of Ukraine? The whole place is a cardboard filmstage filled with Western backed actors?

If anything, I'm surprised about the detail in the listings; why would he list it all if he didn't need healthy accountancy? Almost none of the wealth was rightfully his anyway, and if he wanted some cash all he did was ask someone or stamp another document. My guess is he wanted to be able to brag, simple as that.

He was jailed as a teenager for pickpocketing, he didn't want to take chances any more "Vsio v zakone"


Hasn't got any tattoos, though:

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-02-23 09:36:20 PM

WordsnCollision: Alphax: [img.fark.net image 500x673]

Now that's what you call a Golden Throne.

So, uh, where's the TP?


pffpt...you don't wipe your own bum when you are rich.
 
2014-02-24 12:36:14 AM

Marcellinus: WordsnCollision: Alphax: [img.fark.net image 500x673]

Now that's what you call a Golden Throne.

So, uh, where's the TP?

pffpt...you don't wipe your own bum when you are rich.


You use three seashells
 
2014-02-24 07:07:12 AM

flexflint: So that's the route you're going now? It's all fake, a conspiracy plot organized by the people of Ukraine? The whole place is a cardboard filmstage filled with Western backed actors?


The ONLY image I've posted my doubts about is this one, and I've wrote why. I haven't disputed anything else at all. How the hell do you get from this to "it's all a conspiracy!"?

If anything, I'm surprised about the detail in the listings; why would he list it all if he didn't need healthy accountancy? Almost none of the wealth was rightfully his anyway, and if he wanted some cash all he did was ask someone or stamp another document. My guess is he wanted to be able to brag, simple as that.

Yanukovich is an old-time bureaucrat, old style. They write down and list everything. Even when they steal something, they fill the form in triplicate. :)

That's a bit of a joke, but there is truth in that. They document and list everything, especially spendings, because that's how it's done and how it was always done; even outright bribes are listed as a spending item in the itemized list.
 
2014-02-24 01:38:26 PM

kling_klang_bed: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x551]

"Ukraine, come together and pull my finger! And change my colostomy bag afterwards!"


Yeah, prison has not been kind to Ms. Tymoshenko. The good news is, however, that her daughter is still quite hot.
 
2014-02-24 01:41:24 PM

flexflint: Hasn't got any tattoos, though:

[pbs.twimg.com image 600x600]


He bears a striking resemblance to Alec Baldwin.
 
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