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2014-02-23 06:36:25 AM  
As an American living in eastern Europe this underscores something important that I noticed a long time ago, and which is a really sad indictment of US culture:

These people get by with shiat wages, just had their government try to strongarm them into line, but they fought and bled for their freedom and won.  Then they take over the Big Bad's property and go through it like a museum.  What would have happened if this was the USA?  In most cities my bet is that people earning double would rampage, loot and burn the house within the day, while a crowd stands outside and chants U-S-A, U-S-A!

Despite the bad reputation the Slavic countries have due to being behind the Iron Curtain for so long, most of the people in them are still nice and cultured.  For the wages they earn and the places they live they far exceed what you would expect from a US citizen.  In my city you have areas which look like pure ghettos, with rundown soviet apartment blocks everywhere.  The occupants earn about 200 euro per month on average, and crime is still almost nonexistant and you can park your car and walk around where you need to go.  Whenever I go to those places I can't help but think that in the states that kind of place would be an urban warzone.  We really need to fix our shiat in the US, because some supposedly pinko commie slavs are showing us up every day.
 
2014-02-23 06:41:36 AM  
Someone posted in another thread that they have started sending conscription notices to students

I'll just leave this here
 
2014-02-23 06:45:31 AM  

child_god: Here is what CNN says:

Ukraine's president calls efforts to push him from office a 'coup'

Hmm, the President's house is occupied, at least 17 people died yesterday, and the protesters are now in charge of the government.   Coup is french for blow, and is short for the phrase coup d'etat, blow against the state, and is usually reserved for a violent deposing of a government.

How is this anything but a 'coup'?   I mean, literally and figuratively? I'm sure it is a blow to the Ukraine president.

CNN sucks.


I could be wrong about this, but I'm fairly certain that the parliament voted to oust him. He basically went missing from government and so they voted to remove him from office, which apparently they have the constitutional right to do so.

I mean, he can call "coup" all he wants - but this seems to be so only in the loosest of terms. Like when here in Australia when the labour party decided to toss Kevin Rudd in favour of Julia Gillard (and then back again). They called it a "coup" in the paper, but it was just party politics.

Also, I'm pretty sure it wasn't the protesters who had snipers shooting people in the head the other day.
 
2014-02-23 06:48:38 AM  

dfacto: As an American living in eastern Europe this underscores something important that I noticed a long time ago, and which is a really sad indictment of US culture:

These people get by with shiat wages, just had their government try to strongarm them into line, but they fought and bled for their freedom and won.  Then they take over the Big Bad's property and go through it like a museum.  What would have happened if this was the USA?  In most cities my bet is that people earning double would rampage, loot and burn the house within the day, while a crowd stands outside and chants U-S-A, U-S-A!

Despite the bad reputation the Slavic countries have due to being behind the Iron Curtain for so long, most of the people in them are still nice and cultured.  For the wages they earn and the places they live they far exceed what you would expect from a US citizen.  In my city you have areas which look like pure ghettos, with rundown soviet apartment blocks everywhere.  The occupants earn about 200 euro per month on average, and crime is still almost nonexistant and you can park your car and walk around where you need to go.  Whenever I go to those places I can't help but think that in the states that kind of place would be an urban warzone.  We really need to fix our shiat in the US, because some supposedly pinko commie slavs are showing us up every day.


This is bullshiat. There were security forces at the mansion and it was obviously a carefully staged photo op.

Go kick your straw man down the road somewhere else.
 
2014-02-23 06:50:03 AM  
I really don't get the 'OMG, he had a big bathtub and helicopter pad' outrage. How is this that much different than the hundreds of politicians in the US that miraculously become multi-millionaires while in office?
 
2014-02-23 06:52:35 AM  

wildbill0712: I really don't get the 'OMG, he had a big bathtub and helicopter pad' outrage. How is this that much different than the hundreds of politicians in the US that miraculously become multi-millionaires while in office?


Yeah, it's pad they are "outraged" about
 
2014-02-23 06:54:23 AM  

mongbiohazard: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


It would actually make no sense to destroy it all. All that shiat was bought with their money, by keeping the assets intact they can recoup some of the wealth for their country. Also they can find incriminating documentation in there. Lastly, they can use the photos and videos of the opulence for propaganda purposes ("See what we were dealing with, rest of the world?").

Do you just instantly assume that all people protesting/revolting against their government are unhinged savages who are incapable of rational thought or self-control?


No, but I would assume that once a large group of protestors have deposed the guy, they would usually destroy all his shiat.  At least, that's what usually happens, isn't it?
 
2014-02-23 06:55:06 AM  

child_god: Here is what CNN says:

Ukraine's president calls efforts to push him from office a 'coup'

Hmm, the President's house is occupied, at least 17 people died yesterday, and the protesters are now in charge of the government.   Coup is french for blow, and is short for the phrase coup d'etat, blow against the state, and is usually reserved for a violent deposing of a government.

How is this anything but a 'coup'?   I mean, literally and figuratively? I'm sure it is a blow to the Ukraine president.

CNN sucks.


Of course it's a coup d'etat, or at least is attempting to be one. A coup definitely disrupts stability, but can be a force for good as in this case (hopefully). Viewing a coup as a bad thing in all cases would be incorrect. In this context, a coup is. A revolution but without the scale of violence normally associated with revolution.
 
2014-02-23 06:56:56 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

"Ukraine, come together and pull my finger! And change my colostomy bag afterwards!"
 
2014-02-23 07:04:46 AM  

ekdikeo4: mongbiohazard: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


It would actually make no sense to destroy it all. All that shiat was bought with their money, by keeping the assets intact they can recoup some of the wealth for their country. Also they can find incriminating documentation in there. Lastly, they can use the photos and videos of the opulence for propaganda purposes ("See what we were dealing with, rest of the world?").

Do you just instantly assume that all people protesting/revolting against their government are unhinged savages who are incapable of rational thought or self-control?

No, but I would assume that once a large group of protestors have deposed the guy, they would usually destroy all his shiat.  At least, that's what usually happens, isn't it?


Not every group of protesters is mob
 
2014-02-23 07:06:13 AM  
Wasn't this a nemesis for Duckman?
 
2014-02-23 07:07:21 AM  

LewDux: ekdikeo4: mongbiohazard: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


It would actually make no sense to destroy it all. All that shiat was bought with their money, by keeping the assets intact they can recoup some of the wealth for their country. Also they can find incriminating documentation in there. Lastly, they can use the photos and videos of the opulence for propaganda purposes ("See what we were dealing with, rest of the world?").

Do you just instantly assume that all people protesting/revolting against their government are unhinged savages who are incapable of rational thought or self-control?

No, but I would assume that once a large group of protestors have deposed the guy, they would usually destroy all his shiat.  At least, that's what usually happens, isn't it?

Not every group of protesters is mob


I think the rooskies did a pretty good job of keeping the tsars treasures intact too.
 
2014-02-23 07:13:15 AM  

Orange-Pippin: More pics if anyone is interested...

[s28.postimg.org image 500x673]

[s10.postimg.org image 583x437]


Alphax: [img.fark.net image 500x673]

Now that's what you call a Golden Throne.


That toilet is probably from somewhere else and not his, picture existed before on the net.
 
2014-02-23 07:14:02 AM  

Orange-Pippin: More pics if anyone is interested...


For whatever it's worth, the toilet pic is not from Yanukovych's place, and has been floating around the Internet for at least two years. Would fit right in, though.
 
2014-02-23 07:16:09 AM  
When people are "ruled" instead of "led" things tend to get ugly.  Our politicians would do well to learn some discretion from the Ukraine.
 
2014-02-23 07:16:32 AM  

cretinbob: Someone posted in another thread that they have started sending conscription notices to students

I'll just leave this here


Old news; it was Ezerex or one of his croonies that gave that order.
 
2014-02-23 07:24:05 AM  

Fano: I think the rooskies did a pretty good job of keeping the tsars treasures intact too.


Princess Anastasia's hymen not included.
 
2014-02-23 07:41:15 AM  

Alphax: [img.fark.net image 500x673]

Now that's what you call a Golden Throne.


I was going to comment how I was suprised by the lack of gold and tackiness that you usually see in a eastern mansion. Guess that makes up for it. I would really like to poop on that though. And the ship is pretty cool.
 
2014-02-23 07:55:11 AM  

TwistedFark: child_god: Here is what CNN says:

Ukraine's president calls efforts to push him from office a 'coup'

Hmm, the President's house is occupied, at least 17 people died yesterday, and the protesters are now in charge of the government.   Coup is french for blow, and is short for the phrase coup d'etat, blow against the state, and is usually reserved for a violent deposing of a government.

How is this anything but a 'coup'?   I mean, literally and figuratively? I'm sure it is a blow to the Ukraine president.

CNN sucks.

I could be wrong about this, but I'm fairly certain that the parliament voted to oust him. He basically went missing from government and so they voted to remove him from office, which apparently they have the constitutional right to do so.

I mean, he can call "coup" all he wants - but this seems to be so only in the loosest of terms. Like when here in Australia when the labour party decided to toss Kevin Rudd in favour of Julia Gillard (and then back again). They called it a "coup" in the paper, but it was just party politics.

Also, I'm pretty sure it wasn't the protesters who had snipers shooting people in the head the other day.


-- The number of people killed stands at 88, and will probably rise, due to people being in intensive care (and missing?). Those numbers come from the Health office that worked under Ezerex, which tells you enough.

-- The Parliament did oust him, and they did a lot more than that.

-- Not only did he call "coup", he also said it was "like the Nazi's". This is a man that bought sniper rifles behind the government's back, and had a church installed at his home. You know, asking forgiveness before dinner and all ... .

It'd be interesting to see what he has taken with him. There's at least two cars missing, for starters, and those weren't cars like you and me drive. Close to the airport there is a small stash of his "regular" cars:

pbs.twimg.com

Note: let's say he had 10 of these, then he only had 2 or 3 number plates. Some police officer may have gotten a little richer while allowing him to.

One of his cronies was caught trying to catch a plane with about 100.000 dollars in his pockets. Small change.

The following document lists the amount of chandeliers in Ezerex's little cottages, totaling a sum of over 42.000.000 US dollar. Yes, you read that right. The cost for cleaning one is probably close to a thousand dollars.

pbs.twimg.com

Plants, 1.5 million dollars:

pbs.twimg.com

A lot of these papers were recovered out of the Dniepr that runs close by, or are half burnt. Protesters and archivists are working together to try and salvage as much as possible.

When the big boss got the hell out of dodge, one of his (multiple) mistakes was to let his own security system film the whole thing. You may notice (at the very first seconds) the number of trucks leaving the premises: http://youtu.be/2ifWCBX6sDI

A fellow could indeed have a field day with the amount of stuff this motherf****r stole from the Ukrainian people.
 
2014-02-23 08:13:36 AM  
I thought that the house was generally in good taste.  At least compared to other dictator abodes.
 
2014-02-23 08:24:37 AM  
I'm thinking he was the Yellow King
 
2014-02-23 08:35:46 AM  
Chicken Kiev would be my nickname too if I was a dictator on the run for my life.

Mostly because when they found me I'd be wrapped in breasts and stuffed with sauce!
 
2014-02-23 08:41:00 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Alphax: I was never sure why Yulia went to prison.. just because he could do it?

Because Russia couldn't get away with assassinating her after their botched assassination attempt on a Yushchenko, but they still needed to send a threatening message to anyone else thinking about opposing them.


My understanding is that Yulia Tymoshenko is very pro-Russian as well.  I believe she was the one who negotiated those corrupt gas deals with Russia before Yanukovich took power.

If the Kremlin had any problem with Tymoshenko it's that she wasn't enough of a corrupt, boorish, strongman (or even strongwoman) type, and that's the kinda guy Putin wants in power.  She still tried to maintain some semblance of a free market economy in Ukraine.

Also, she was not the richest person in Ukraine before being thrown in prison, and she's not the richest now either.  There are a handful of oligarchs ahead of her (at least). see this  wiki link for some names.
 
2014-02-23 08:46:00 AM  

gnarlywizzard: this is from the backyard somewhere. kinda spooky if you ask me.


So, Ukranians bless themselves by raising their middle fingers?
 
2014-02-23 08:48:18 AM  

lazymojo: My understanding is that Yulia Tymoshenko is very pro-Russian as well. I believe she was the one who negotiated those corrupt gas deals with Russia before Yanukovich took power.


Whoa, she may be more not less corrupt (or practical, if you like her), but "very pro-Russian" she isn't
 
2014-02-23 08:51:14 AM  

dfacto: As an American living in eastern Europe this underscores something important that I noticed a long time ago, and which is a really sad indictment of US culture:

These people get by with shiat wages, just had their government try to strongarm them into line, but they fought and bled for their freedom and won.  Then they take over the Big Bad's property and go through it like a museum.  What would have happened if this was the USA?  In most cities my bet is that people earning double would rampage, loot and burn the house within the day, while a crowd stands outside and chants U-S-A, U-S-A!

Despite the bad reputation the Slavic countries have due to being behind the Iron Curtain for so long, most of the people in them are still nice and cultured.  For the wages they earn and the places they live they far exceed what you would expect from a US citizen.  In my city you have areas which look like pure ghettos, with rundown soviet apartment blocks everywhere.  The occupants earn about 200 euro per month on average, and crime is still almost nonexistant and you can park your car and walk around where you need to go.  Whenever I go to those places I can't help but think that in the states that kind of place would be an urban warzone.  We really need to fix our shiat in the US, because some supposedly pinko commie slavs are showing us up every day.


In the US nothing like that will happen because it would get cracked down on before protests got big enough, if they thought the protestors were going to do anything besides 'occupy' stuff. Anyone who tried to organize anything involving shooting police or US armed forces would get snatched up and hauled off to gitmo nice and quiet before they could be a martyr. The US government is a much more well oiled machine, better able to spy on its citizenry and nip things in the bud.

Also, it wasn't a random mob breaking into that place, it was taken over by security forces looking for documents, and they let people walk around and take pictures. Those men with guns will be keeping people plenty polite, because these pictures and the narrative they convey are good press for them.
 
2014-02-23 08:52:17 AM  

fusillade762: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x574]

A protester poses in a bathtub

Nothing says opulence like having a bathtub for your rocks.


It's an outhouse and that's a toilet.
 
2014-02-23 08:54:14 AM  

Triumph: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x559]

This is my stop.

/Jack Daniels?


Top shelf, baby.
 
2014-02-23 09:05:55 AM  
As presidential/PM residences go, it's not unreasonable.  Very, VERY nice, but not unreasonable.

As PERSONAL residences go, paid for with taxpayer cash, that is very different, of course.

Why does Ukraine still have statues of Lenin after all this time?
 
2014-02-23 09:08:03 AM  
There is absolutely no doubt that Yanukovich's government is incredibly corrupt, but I call the image with light sources, at least, a fake. The reason: there is a grammatical error in the header - "contact" instead of "contract". :)

Okay, that doesn't make it a fake, but it raises questions. Like, what the hell, $42 millions and you couldn't find someone to proofread the freakin thing?

Also, the description for items is incredibly basic, like "the lamp for main room", etc. Shouldn't there be at least the name of manufacturer?

As for Tymoshenko, a guy from Maidan I know said that Maidan was not happy to see Tymoshenko. She doesn't have the trust of the people. Haven't watched her speech on Maidan myself so can't say if it's in any way true.

As for "who put her in jail", well, former president - pro-western Yushenko, the poisoned one - put a lot of effort into putting her in jail and was very clear that he considered the court to be fair and honest. Make of it what you want.
 
2014-02-23 09:25:19 AM  
so i take it Yanukovich is basically a mafia puppet? how long before he sleeps with the fishes?
 
2014-02-23 09:30:52 AM  

AdamK: so i take it Yanukovich is basically a mafia puppet? how long before he sleeps with the fishes?


Damned Italians!
 
2014-02-23 09:33:38 AM  

fusillade762: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x574]

A protester poses in a bathtub

Nothing says opulence like having a bathtub for your rocks.


Well, who wants dirty rocks in the house?  Gotta keep them clean somehow.
 
2014-02-23 09:33:45 AM  

Grahor: As for "who put her in jail", well, former president - pro-western Yushenko, the poisoned one - put a lot of effort into putting her in jail and was very clear that he considered the court to be fair and honest. Make of it what you want.


Here is a list of organizations that didn't consider the court to be fair and honest:

The European Union
The United States (and Canada)
Human Rights Watch
Amnesty International

oh and... Russia as well. Old Putin himself expressed dismay at the sentence she received and the government officially stated that they believed the trial was politically motivated.

I don't know about you, but when you've got the US and Russia who can't usually agree if water is wet saying the entire affair was rotten, then I think you have to take a step back and give her a huge benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, on the grounds of economic policy, she's always been the smart one out of a lousy bunch. I won't say (because I don't know) if she's squeaky clean in her personal life, but as a politician, she certainly did better for her country than nearly everyone who came before her did.
 
2014-02-23 09:37:27 AM  

supageil: All photos of his tacky, nouveau-riche home aside, I nominate "Chicken Kiev" as this man's forever-nickname.

Suits the bastard perfectly.


Yeah, I thought it was a great move by subby.
 
2014-02-23 09:49:00 AM  
So Chicken Kiev is basically Cordon Bleu huh?
 
2014-02-23 09:51:55 AM  
I'll be damned, it looks very similar to the house I tend to build in Minecraft.

/from the outside.  saw no sign of a brewing stand, or basement farms
// nor creeper holes dotting the landscape
 
2014-02-23 09:59:03 AM  
"When he took power in 2010, the country had two possible futures: One was under his authortiran rule, the other was as a member of the EU."

Why do mods continue to greenlight Daily Fail articles?

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU? That's not on the table at all. It hasn't ever been on the table.

farking Daily Fail journalist are anti-EU morons, and they're perpetuating this to their equally ignorant readers.
 
2014-02-23 10:02:39 AM  

spawn73: "When he took power in 2010, the country had two possible futures: One was under his authortiran rule, the other was as a member of the EU."

Why do mods continue to greenlight Daily Fail articles?

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU? That's not on the table at all. It hasn't ever been on the table.

farking Daily Fail journalist are anti-EU morons, and they're perpetuating this to their equally ignorant readers.

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU?


Slowly?
 
2014-02-23 10:06:23 AM  

Orange-Pippin: More pics if anyone is interested...


That toilet is the best thing I ever saw
 
2014-02-23 10:09:13 AM  

dfacto: As an American living in eastern Europe this underscores something important that I noticed a long time ago, and which is a really sad indictment of US culture:

These people get by with shiat wages, just had their government try to strongarm them into line, but they fought and bled for their freedom and won.  Then they take over the Big Bad's property and go through it like a museum.  What would have happened if this was the USA?  In most cities my bet is that people earning double would rampage, loot and burn the house within the day, while a crowd stands outside and chants U-S-A, U-S-A!

Despite the bad reputation the Slavic countries have due to being behind the Iron Curtain for so long, most of the people in them are still nice and cultured.  For the wages they earn and the places they live they far exceed what you would expect from a US citizen.  In my city you have areas which look like pure ghettos, with rundown soviet apartment blocks everywhere.  The occupants earn about 200 euro per month on average, and crime is still almost nonexistant and you can park your car and walk around where you need to go.  Whenever I go to those places I can't help but think that in the states that kind of place would be an urban warzone.  We really need to fix our shiat in the US, because some supposedly pinko commie slavs are showing us up every day.


Mind if I ask why you moved to an eastern European impoverished ghetto?
 
2014-02-23 10:09:15 AM  

spawn73: "When he took power in 2010, the country had two possible futures: One was under his authortiran rule, the other was as a member of the EU."

Why do mods continue to greenlight Daily Fail articles?

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU? That's not on the table at all. It hasn't ever been on the table.

farking Daily Fail journalist are anti-EU morons, and they're perpetuating this to their equally ignorant readers.


I think they are using the word "join" very loosely. Obviously signing an association agreement or a free trade agreement isn't in the same ballpark as becoming a member state.

That being said, the agreement with Ukraine (and the other Eastern European countries) didn't include, or exclude a path to EU membership. So, it's not a very sweet deal for them. Given that the association agreements offered to the Western Balkans  did include a path to membership, the logical conclusion is that they (the EU) just kicked this decision down the road so as to not get into a thorny political situation with Russia.

So frankly, I think it was less about what the anti-EU people in the UK think (and who isn't getting tired of hearing them whinge all the time?) but instead more about keeping Putin from getting his back up. Even if the Ukraine was a paragon of good government, the rule of law, and economic policies, no one would go that far.
 
2014-02-23 10:10:35 AM  

ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


You don't make sense.

That people are able to organise over a 3 month period in a democratic and civil society. You think this is strange?
 
2014-02-23 10:10:48 AM  

Hiro-ACiD: Lsherm: I was wondering what was keeping them from kicking in the windows to get to the dining room - or what was keeping them from stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Maybe Ukrainians are just well behaved mobbers?

Why would you expect them to behave like the thieves they're removing from their government? That would make far less sense than peacefully occupying the grounds as they have and showing the world what has been stolen from them...


Because revolutionary mobs are known for doing things that make sense and having no regrets when the dust settles...
 
2014-02-23 10:12:24 AM  

Lsherm: I was wondering what was keeping them from kicking in the windows to get to the dining room - or what was keeping them from stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.

Maybe Ukrainians are just well behaved mobbers?


The armed guards are there protecting the place are kinda keeping the mobsters at bay. The captions to the pictures, the article and the pictures themselves include guards.
 
2014-02-23 10:15:18 AM  
An interesting example of a "modern" revolution.

Not the estate really...


What IS interesting...is all the pics of protesters taking pics, lounging, doing selfies with their cell phones,
with many of them in para-military outfits, Kevlar vests...or just in normal modern winter outfits.
Kind of surreal.
 
2014-02-23 10:17:51 AM  

spawn73: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?

You don't make sense.

That people are able to organise over a 3 month period in a democratic and civil society. You think this is strange?


Yes?  Excessively strange and almost wholly unique in the history of human society.  In the face of enough anger to cause a revolution, the people (not as individuals but as a seething mass of revolutionary fervor) can hold it together enough to avoid cutting heads off, holding public executions after (if we're lucky) show trials, or burning the infrastructure to the ground?

Where else has this happened that I can see how normal this is?  Typically, regime changes are bloody, messy, destructive affairs, followed by a systematic and symbolic dismantling of everything held sacred by the old guard.

This is super impressive to me.
 
2014-02-23 10:19:24 AM  

mongbiohazard: ekdikeo4: ... so "protestors" just took over this country's government, and they are completely restrained when visitng the deposed leader's residence, choosing to treat it like a photo op and vacation visit?

what doesn't make sense here?


It would actually make no sense to destroy it all. All that shiat was bought with their money, by keeping the assets intact they can recoup some of the wealth for their country. Also they can find incriminating documentation in there. Lastly, they can use the photos and videos of the opulence for propaganda purposes ("See what we were dealing with, rest of the world?").

Do you just instantly assume that all people protesting/revolting against their government are unhinged savages who are incapable of rational thought or self-control?


I kinda came to the conclusion that he lives in an area where people riot and loot Walmart everytime there's a brownout.

Fortunatly most areas in the civilized world isn't like that. Especially not when there's a well organised movement organised to take control of the situation.

People, AFAIK, didn't loot during the Arab revolutions either. Because the "rebels" took control of the situation.
 
2014-02-23 10:20:02 AM  

JonathanChance: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x450]
I guess this guy was also the Jay Leno of Soviet cars.


img.fark.net

People at the top all share similar pathologies.  Doesn't matter if they claim to be capitalists, communists, Nazis,  Islamists, whatever.   The average Wall St crook has more in common with that little freak running North Korean than either does the average man/woman from his own country.

Have a look just part of the collection of cars owned by the late Tito, dictator of communist Yugoslavia.

www.novosti.rs

Here's a picture of Tito and Brezhnev on a hunting trip.  Notice the hog-leg Colt on fat Brezhnev's hip.  That revolver was a gift from Chuck Connors.

cille85.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-23 10:55:54 AM  

TwistedFark: spawn73: "When he took power in 2010, the country had two possible futures: One was under his authortiran rule, the other was as a member of the EU."

Why do mods continue to greenlight Daily Fail articles?

How the fark would Ukraine be able to join the EU? That's not on the table at all. It hasn't ever been on the table.

farking Daily Fail journalist are anti-EU morons, and they're perpetuating this to their equally ignorant readers.

I think they are using the word "join" very loosely. Obviously signing an association agreement or a free trade agreement isn't in the same ballpark as becoming a member state.

That being said, the agreement with Ukraine (and the other Eastern European countries) didn't include, or exclude a path to EU membership. So, it's not a very sweet deal for them. Given that the association agreements offered to the Western Balkans  did include a path to membership, the logical conclusion is that they (the EU) just kicked this decision down the road so as to not get into a thorny political situation with Russia.


IMHO the economic crisis, and the situation in Greece in particular, has changed the situation a lot for comming applicants. Not only is Ukraine huge and poor, they're also awfully corrupt.

So kicking it down the road as you put it, probably hasn't been a hard decision to make.

Turkey is btw. on a path to EU membership since 1999, and we all know when they're going to join. ;)
 
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