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(KJRH Tulsa)   Not news: People get together to play a fictional sport in a park. News: Organized Quidditch league holds 26-team tournament in a park. Oklahoma: A city government actively sought to get it in an effort to attract more sports tournaments   (kjrh.com) divider line 61
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2014-02-22 08:19:37 PM
In Oklahoma? Witches and wizards? How in the holy hell did they let this go on?
 
2014-02-22 08:24:58 PM
Why isn't this in the Geek tab?
 
2014-02-22 08:40:33 PM
Pssh.  My Calvinball league is bigger.
 
2014-02-22 08:46:50 PM
Still more of a sport then NASCAR.
 
2014-02-22 08:54:51 PM
I joined Quidditch and bought an iPod for only 3 dollars.
 
2014-02-22 09:03:50 PM
Is Tulsa still working on their hare-brained scheme to host the Olympics? Because that would explain this silliness.
 
2014-02-22 09:07:42 PM

show me: In Oklahoma? Witches and wizards? How in the holy hell did they let this go on?


Agreed.  When I was a kid in Oklahoma, witches, wizards, and witchcraft were very bad things for which one went H-E-double-hockey-sticks.

I can remember one of my aunt's church friends freaking out because I used the word, "wicked", once.  This was in the 1980s, and "wicked" was just a cool word kids used then, sorta like "radical."
 
2014-02-22 09:09:49 PM
Is it really a make believe sport if there is actually physical exertion involved? And when does a game go from being made up to established?
 
2014-02-22 09:18:15 PM
Running Around with Your Crank in Your Hand: The Movie: The Game.
 
2014-02-22 09:31:01 PM

Foxxinnia: Is Tulsa still working on their hare-brained scheme to host the Olympics? Because that would explain this silliness.


I remember reading some overly eager people wanted to put in for an Olympic bid, and I can guarantee you, Tulsa is the last place you'd want it. Besides the tornadoes, quakes, and thunderstorms, the humidity in the summer as well as allergens will hamper performance. Not to mention the town is so segregated it would look horrible for the "melting pot." 

Plus infrastructure and hotel capabilities. The freaking state fair puts us at capacity.
 
2014-02-22 09:32:21 PM
And no issues with the snitch?

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2014-02-22 10:04:45 PM
Quidditch is the most illogical sport ever, but that didn't bother me when I read the books because I understood it was just a McGuffin/excuse to give Harry a reason to be the hero of every game.

But seriously: The game itself is almost completely superfluous when the whole point is to catch the snitch. Why bother with quaffles and bludgers when the snitch is the only thing that matters? Why keep score when the catcher of the snitch wins the game? It's such a weird side contest that invalidates everything else going on. It's like having a chess match on the sidelines during a football game and the game ends when there's a checkmate. And the winner gets 21 points.

If I had a Quidditch team, I'd ignore the goals and the balls and just tell my team to beat the living crap out of the opposing team's seeker. Because everything else going on is completely irrelevant.

The scoring makes no sense either. Since all scores are multiples of 10, why have a goal be 10 points?

/no one should be making this a sport. The mechanics don't make sense
//Rowling has no proper understanding of game theory
///Quidditch sounds like something she came up with as a cursory observer of World Cup fandom every four years, but sports and athletic competition in general is not something she actually knows a whole lot about. And it shows.
 
2014-02-22 10:09:41 PM
Catching the snitch gets you 150 points, and ends the game, it doesn't mean you win it.
 
2014-02-22 10:12:00 PM

Ishkur: Quidditch is the most illogical sport ever, but that didn't bother me when I read the books because I understood it was just a McGuffin/excuse to give Harry a reason to be the hero of every game.

But seriously: The game itself is almost completely superfluous when the whole point is to catch the snitch. Why bother with quaffles and bludgers when the snitch is the only thing that matters? Why keep score when the catcher of the snitch wins the game? It's such a weird side contest that invalidates everything else going on. It's like having a chess match on the sidelines during a football game and the game ends when there's a checkmate. And the winner gets 21 points.

If I had a Quidditch team, I'd ignore the goals and the balls and just tell my team to beat the living crap out of the opposing team's seeker. Because everything else going on is completely irrelevant.

The scoring makes no sense either. Since all scores are multiples of 10, why have a goal be 10 points?

/no one should be making this a sport. The mechanics don't make sense
//Rowling has no proper understanding of game theory
///Quidditch sounds like something she came up with as a cursory observer of World Cup fandom every four years, but sports and athletic competition in general is not something she actually knows a whole lot about. And it shows.


This.  Also, the chase a human Snitch sport already exists.  It's called smear the queer (or whatetever the PC term we use nowadays).
 
2014-02-22 10:16:27 PM

show me: In Oklahoma? Witches and wizards? How in the holy hell did they let this go on?


They got a year round renaissance faire in Muskogee, and not one, but two, outdoor furry conventions promoted by the state parks and tourism service.  Is this really a huge stretch?
 
2014-02-22 10:17:44 PM

Foxxinnia: Is Tulsa still working on their hare-brained scheme to host the Olympics? Because that would explain this silliness.


More unlikely things have happened.  Like Atlanta hosting the Olympics.
 
2014-02-22 10:19:50 PM

thehobbes: allergens will hamper performance. Not to mention the town is so segregated it would look horrible for the "melting pot."


Portland, Oregon laughs at the notion that anyplace could be more of an allergy haven or less integrated.  Go there in August and it's so dry and pollenated you can literally see MAX trains in downtown towing huge clouds of pollen behind them.
 
2014-02-22 10:24:29 PM
My 43-man squamish team yells at you to get off my lawn.
 
2014-02-22 10:27:42 PM

Edgewood Dirk: Catching the snitch gets you 150 points, and ends the game, it doesn't mean you win it.


It is rare for any team to have a 150 point lead on the other, so it pretty much wins the game. And if it doesn't, then as a seeker... if your team is down more than 150 points, don't catch the farking snitch. Pretty simple strategy, so simple that it has to be the dumbest god damn move any seeker could ever make in Quidditch. It is a move so stupid and bullheaded, it is probably the first thing they teach kids at age 8 when they first learn to play: DON'T CATCH THE SNITCH WHEN YOU'RE DOWN MORE THAN 150.

I mean, you would have to be an absolute dumbass to do that, right? Even if you were one of the top seekers in the world, and even if you played in the Championship game of the entire farking sport, if you caught the snitch with your team down more than 150 points, you have certified yourself as the dumbest motherfarker in the history of Quidditch!! An absolute moron!! A complete farking imbecile. Dumber than a box of farking dirt. You are a farking tool who has no business playing the god damn game if you can't even count. You'd never play the game ever again.

And that's why it's never happened. No one would ever be THAT retarded.
 
2014-02-22 10:33:34 PM

Ishkur: Quidditch is the most illogical sport ever, but that didn't bother me when I read the books because I understood it was just a McGuffin/excuse to give Harry a reason to be the hero of every game.

But seriously: The game itself is almost completely superfluous when the whole point is to catch the snitch. Why bother with quaffles and bludgers when the snitch is the only thing that matters? Why keep score when the catcher of the snitch wins the game? It's such a weird side contest that invalidates everything else going on. It's like having a chess match on the sidelines during a football game and the game ends when there's a checkmate. And the winner gets 21 points.

If I had a Quidditch team, I'd ignore the goals and the balls and just tell my team to beat the living crap out of the opposing team's seeker. Because everything else going on is completely irrelevant.

The scoring makes no sense either. Since all scores are multiples of 10, why have a goal be 10 points?

/no one should be making this a sport. The mechanics don't make sense
//Rowling has no proper understanding of game theory
///Quidditch sounds like something she came up with as a cursory observer of World Cup fandom every four years, but sports and athletic competition in general is not something she actually knows a whole lot about. And it shows.


You completely misunderstand the rules. You can win the game even if your team wasn't the one to catch the snitch. If the other team hasn't scored, and your team has 151 points or more, then if the other team catches the snitch it actually screws them because the game is over and all they have is 150 points.

There's actually a lot of strategy involved because the other balls can rack up points pretty quickly, and catching the snitch is only helpful if that 150 points will put you ahead. If it doesn't, then your only quest is to prevent the other seeker from catching the snitch.

Yes, you could start the game with both teams going for the snitch, but the whole point is that the snitch is VERY HARD to catch, and you're not going to catch it at the start of the game, most likely. If neither side can catch the little bugger, then the other scoring matters quite a bit.
 
2014-02-22 10:34:59 PM
You kids get off my lawn!
 
2014-02-22 10:35:34 PM

Ishkur: Edgewood Dirk: Catching the snitch gets you 150 points, and ends the game, it doesn't mean you win it.

It is rare for any team to have a 150 point lead on the other, so it pretty much wins the game. And if it doesn't, then as a seeker... if your team is down more than 150 points, don't catch the farking snitch. Pretty simple strategy, so simple that it has to be the dumbest god damn move any seeker could ever make in Quidditch. It is a move so stupid and bullheaded, it is probably the first thing they teach kids at age 8 when they first learn to play: DON'T CATCH THE SNITCH WHEN YOU'RE DOWN MORE THAN 150.

I mean, you would have to be an absolute dumbass to do that, right? Even if you were one of the top seekers in the world, and even if you played in the Championship game of the entire farking sport, if you caught the snitch with your team down more than 150 points, you have certified yourself as the dumbest motherfarker in the history of Quidditch!! An absolute moron!! A complete farking imbecile. Dumber than a box of farking dirt. You are a farking tool who has no business playing the god damn game if you can't even count. You'd never play the game ever again.

And that's why it's never happened. No one would ever be THAT retarded.


Exactly... So at that point, the other scoring makes a whole lot of sense, and all the seeker needs to do is keep the OTHER seeker from catching the snitch, while waiting for your team to be ahead again so you can go back to trying to catch the snitch and end the game before your keepers cock it up again.
 
2014-02-22 10:41:42 PM

Baloo Uriza: Foxxinnia: Is Tulsa still working on their hare-brained scheme to host the Olympics? Because that would explain this silliness.

More unlikely things have happened.  Like Atlanta hosting the Olympics.


At least Atlanta had an infrastructure to handle it, namely a big airport and convention hotels.
 
2014-02-22 10:44:14 PM

Ishkur: But seriously: The game itself is almost completely superfluous when the whole point is to catch the snitch. Why bother with quaffles and bludgers when the snitch is the only thing that matters?


It's worth 15 points where other scoring methods are worth 1 point (once you remove the melodramatic factor of 10 anyhow), and ostensibly catching the thing is a couple orders of magnitude more difficult than making goals since the other balls are heat-seeking missiles that can pretty easily be directed against the seeker, who is the one player with no actual defense against them knocking him on his ass.

It's unusual scoring for a sport, because that kind of disadvantage isn't really feasible under the non-magical laws of, y'know, physics, but in terms of general gaming it's not that unusual.  Table-games like poker, Risk, Monopoly and so on actually rely on point differentials of differing win conditions that are similar in magnitude to achieve victory by different paths all the time (since on a table-top game you can set whatever mechanical conditions you like).  Poker players especially will often actively avoid the really big pots in favor of a bunch of smaller ones that they know they can win more reliably.

That said, I would assume the scoring and so on are dramatically different in this sport than the one in the books, what with magic not being real.  It's more a sport loosely based on a fantasy novel than an actual reproduction... and like anything involving a frisbee, I'd imagine the silliness was actually mostly intended by the designers and is supposed to be part of the fun, and any player taking it truly seriously is perhaps missing the point a bit.
 
2014-02-22 10:48:19 PM

Nix Nightbird: Ishkur: Quidditch is the most illogical sport ever, but that didn't bother me when I read the books because I understood it was just a McGuffin/excuse to give Harry a reason to be the hero of every game.

But seriously: The game itself is almost completely superfluous when the whole point is to catch the snitch. Why bother with quaffles and bludgers when the snitch is the only thing that matters? Why keep score when the catcher of the snitch wins the game? It's such a weird side contest that invalidates everything else going on. It's like having a chess match on the sidelines during a football game and the game ends when there's a checkmate. And the winner gets 21 points.

If I had a Quidditch team, I'd ignore the goals and the balls and just tell my team to beat the living crap out of the opposing team's seeker. Because everything else going on is completely irrelevant.

The scoring makes no sense either. Since all scores are multiples of 10, why have a goal be 10 points?

/no one should be making this a sport. The mechanics don't make sense
//Rowling has no proper understanding of game theory
///Quidditch sounds like something she came up with as a cursory observer of World Cup fandom every four years, but sports and athletic competition in general is not something she actually knows a whole lot about. And it shows.

You completely misunderstand the rules. You can win the game even if your team wasn't the one to catch the snitch. If the other team hasn't scored, and your team has 151 points or more, then if the other team catches the snitch it actually screws them because the game is over and all they have is 150 points.

There's actually a lot of strategy involved because the other balls can rack up points pretty quickly, and catching the snitch is only helpful if that 150 points will put you ahead. If it doesn't, then your only quest is to prevent the other seeker from catching the snitch.

Yes, you could start the game with both teams going for the snitch, but ...


The problem I see is that these guys are playing in real life, not magic.  The snitch is a real person.  In a competitive sport there is no way to have one person who is so much faster than everyone else that they could make an effective snitch.  If such a person did exist, the Yankees of Quidditch would recruit that person to be their seeker.  Maybe it works with a bunch of fat fantasy nerds chasing around a track guy, but I just don't see it working at any real competitive level without serious changes.

If the snitch is a good sprinter, then good mid distance guys will eat his lunch.
If the snitch is a good distance runner, than good sprinters will eat his lunch.
 
2014-02-22 10:51:49 PM

Nix Nightbird: You completely misunderstand the rules. You can win the game even if your team wasn't the one to catch the snitch. If the other team hasn't scored, and your team has 151 points or more, then if the other team catches the snitch it actually screws them because the game is over and all they have is 150 points.


This actually exposes a flaw in the rules and proper game theory mechanics.

Any sport that relies on its participants to end it rather than some neutral source like a time clock or a score ceiling will be subject to delay, obstruction, passive-aggressive play and long, drawn-out attrition by the losing team. Successful strategies will ensure that the game simply cannot end, period.

(and you can't get 1 point. The scores are 10 or 150. Why the 10x multiplier? Because the sport came from the sputtering imagination of a twice-betrothed middle-aged English housewife who's never seen, played or examined a sport before in her entire life)
 
2014-02-22 10:54:55 PM

Nix Nightbird: Exactly... So at that point, the other scoring makes a whole lot of sense, and all the seeker needs to do is keep the OTHER seeker from catching the snitch, while waiting for your team to be ahead again so you can go back to trying to catch the snitch and end the game before your keepers cock it up again.


Yeah, you'd think this strategy would be used by the most intelligent and well-trained minds in the sport playing it at the highest level in the most important game ever. But they didn't.

It would be like an NBA basketball team adopting a strategy of attempting center court shots all game long. In Game 7 of the NBA Finals.

THAT'S how stupid Krum's play was.
 
2014-02-22 10:56:28 PM

Jim_Callahan: ostensibly catching the thing is a couple orders of magnitude more difficult


Hopefully not too difficult, because if you have two teams with weak seekers, the game may never end.
 
2014-02-22 10:59:37 PM

Nix Nightbird: Yes, you could start the game with both teams going for the snitch, but the whole point is that the snitch is VERY HARD to catch,


No, the whole point is that it HAS TO BE CATCHED in order to end the game. So it better not be VERY HARD to catch, otherwise Quidditch will last longer than Cricket.
 
2014-02-22 11:00:43 PM
They do Quidditch tournaments at C2E2 every year and honestly it looks to me like it's every bit as legitimate a sport as baseball or football. They actually start out the matches by explaining the rules and how they're adapted from the books, which is more of a favor than has ever been done for farking football.
 
2014-02-22 11:08:45 PM

RogermcAllen: The problem I see is that these guys are playing in real life, not magic. The snitch is a real person. In a competitive sport there is no way to have one person who is so much faster than everyone else that they could make an effective snitch. If such a person did exist, the Yankees of Quidditch would recruit that person to be their seeker. Maybe it works with a bunch of fat fantasy nerds chasing around a track guy, but I just don't see it working at any real competitive level without serious changes.


Forget the speed and competence of the snitch, I'm more worried about his bias. Where is he running and how can he ensure that he is running in an impartial and objective direction relative to each seeker? I can't see it possible to hand over such a definitive portion of the game to human providence under the guide of whimsical randomness (nothing humans do is random. They simply aren't capable of it). Such a concept is ripe for abuse, corruption and favortism, and exactly the sort of thing that should be kept out of human hands.

A human snitch is worse than Olympic judging.
 
2014-02-22 11:12:00 PM
What's the point if you don't actually have flying broomsticks?
 
2014-02-22 11:14:24 PM

likefunbutnot: They do Quidditch tournaments at C2E2 every year and honestly it looks to me like it's every bit as legitimate a sport as baseball or football.


No. No it's not..
 
2014-02-22 11:15:40 PM
According to some Quidditch GBA game my kid had (which was so easy scoring 160 points before somebody caught the snitch was trivial), catching the snitch does make the catcher win regardless of points, which are just for bragging rights or house standings or some other dumb crap. I doubt that the game is canon however.
 
2014-02-22 11:18:25 PM

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2014-02-22 11:26:21 PM

Ishkur: likefunbutnot: They do Quidditch tournaments at C2E2 every year and honestly it looks to me like it's every bit as legitimate a sport as baseball or football.

No. No it's not..


In modern settings, if we ignore the overt LARP action, it very well could be, with some simple rule fixes (remove the snitch, or alter it fundamentally, add a timeclock, etc.)
 
2014-02-22 11:35:38 PM

JonZoidberg: Pssh.  My Calvinball league is bigger.


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2014-02-23 12:10:29 AM
Nix Nightbird:
There's actually a lot of strategy involved...

Bwahahaha!
 
2014-02-23 12:15:45 AM

Ishkur: Jim_Callahan: ostensibly catching the thing is a couple orders of magnitude more difficult

Hopefully not too difficult, because if you have two teams with weak seekers, the game may never end.


It's been a while since I read the things, but iirc she realized that hole in the logic and patched it after a few books by adding some sort of time limit to school games (possibly more a "everyone's to injured to continue, call it" thing) that didn't apply to the longer, professional league games.

It's hard to be  really critical of it, because the whole thematic point the author seemed to be making is that football is a stupid sport and the UK's national obsession with it is somehow even more stupid.  I'm pretty sure the rules being nonsensical (and overtly violent, half of the game is based on breaking the bones of children with artillery ammunition) was at least somewhat intentional, and Harry being the chosen one that kind of bemusedly bumbled to instant victory because the rules were illogically slanted in his favor was... well, kinda the joke.

And I think, in turn, the fact that it was all intended to be a purposefully unworkable joke is what inspired people to adapt it into a real-life sport of a kind, because there was no way that could  not be a hilarious exercise in futility.  Remember we're talking about the transition point where people obsessed with pop culture started thinking that that made them intelligent somehow, so having an arcane hobby (i guess in both definitions of the word) with some obvious nerdy shiat like running around with a broomstick could be considered a sort of point of pride.
 
2014-02-23 01:35:55 AM
Did anyone notice the players had broomsticks between their legs? I had to double check to see if it was an onion article.
 
2014-02-23 02:20:28 AM

Special J: Nix Nightbird:
There's actually a lot of strategy involved...

Bwahahaha!


Well, when you consider the participants are capable of  defying gravity, changing probability, and conjuring things from thin air,  then yes... I'd say that would make ANY game require some strategy.

Imagine football if the participants were capable of casting charms and curses.
 
2014-02-23 02:40:04 AM

Ishkur: No. No it's not..


He's a brony, don't bother
 
2014-02-23 06:22:41 AM

kroonermanblack: In modern settings, if we ignore the overt LARP action, it very well could be, with some simple rule fixes (remove the snitch, or alter it fundamentally, add a timeclock, etc.)


Well, then it's just outdoor handball.
 
2014-02-23 06:28:10 AM

Jim_Callahan: It's hard to be really critical of it, because the whole thematic point the author seemed to be making is that football is a stupid sport and the UK's national obsession with it is somehow even more stupid. I'm pretty sure the rules being nonsensical (and overtly violent, half of the game is based on breaking the bones of children with artillery ammunition) was at least somewhat intentional, and Harry being the chosen one that kind of bemusedly bumbled to instant victory because the rules were illogically slanted in his favor was... well, kinda the joke.


That's what I got out of it too: It's just a McGuffin to make Harry the solo hero of every game irrespective of what actually happened in it.

So why would a bunch of idiots make a real world sport out of it?
 
2014-02-23 07:00:20 AM
My daughter plays. It's gotten her off the internet and out of the dorm, she interacts with actual humans and most of all, she has fun. Other college-level sports should be so inclusive. And fun.
 
2014-02-23 08:29:02 AM

Nix Nightbird: Special J: Nix Nightbird:
There's actually a lot of strategy involved...

Bwahahaha!

Well, when you consider the participants are capable of  defying gravity, changing probability, and conjuring things from thin air,  then yes... I'd say that would make ANY game require some strategy.

Imagine football if the participants were capable of casting charms and curses.


purplejesusdiaries.com
I would watch an ESPN channel solely dedicated to this.
 
2014-02-23 09:24:28 AM

Ishkur: Jim_Callahan: It's hard to be really critical of it, because the whole thematic point the author seemed to be making is that football is a stupid sport and the UK's national obsession with it is somehow even more stupid. I'm pretty sure the rules being nonsensical (and overtly violent, half of the game is based on breaking the bones of children with artillery ammunition) was at least somewhat intentional, and Harry being the chosen one that kind of bemusedly bumbled to instant victory because the rules were illogically slanted in his favor was... well, kinda the joke.

That's what I got out of it too: It's just a McGuffin to make Harry the solo hero of every game irrespective of what actually happened in it.

So why would a bunch of idiots make a real world sport out of it?


Because it's a fun physical activity which is arguably no less or more silly than baseball, touch football, soccer, ultimate frisbee, etc, with the rules they play with?

In the book it was stupid. In real life, it's just another physical activity.
 
2014-02-23 09:26:31 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: What's the point if you don't actually have flying broomsticks?


Tell it to the drag queens.
 
2014-02-23 09:47:36 AM
I never understood why anyone would play a contact sport FLYING IN THE AIR...especially kids. How many times did someone almost die from simply getting knocked off their broomstick?

/didn't like those books
//child endangerment is apparently a-ok in the 'magical world'.
///but the writing was worse
 
2014-02-23 10:02:30 AM

Ishkur: Edgewood Dirk: Catching the snitch gets you 150 points, and ends the game, it doesn't mean you win it.

It is rare for any team to have a 150 point lead on the other, so it pretty much wins the game. And if it doesn't, then as a seeker... if your team is down more than 150 points, don't catch the farking snitch. Pretty simple strategy, so simple that it has to be the dumbest god damn move any seeker could ever make in Quidditch. It is a move so stupid and bullheaded, it is probably the first thing they teach kids at age 8 when they first learn to play: DON'T CATCH THE SNITCH WHEN YOU'RE DOWN MORE THAN 150.

I mean, you would have to be an absolute dumbass to do that, right? Even if you were one of the top seekers in the world, and even if you played in the Championship game of the entire farking sport, if you caught the snitch with your team down more than 150 points, you have certified yourself as the dumbest motherfarker in the history of Quidditch!! An absolute moron!! A complete farking imbecile. Dumber than a box of farking dirt. You are a farking tool who has no business playing the god damn game if you can't even count. You'd never play the game ever again.

And that's why it's never happened. No one would ever be THAT retarded.


What you're missing is that the Quiddich Cup is awarded to the team with the most cumulative points. (In the books, the game scores were added to the house points as well.) So yeah, winning the game early means winning the game, but building a lead can make the difference between winning the championship and not winning the championship.
 
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