If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Chattanooga Times Free Press)   Tennessee Senator Bob Corker (R-eally hates unions): doubles down on his lie, despite VW's calling him out on it   (timesfreepress.com) divider line 42
    More: Followup, Chattanooga's Volkswagen, UAW, SUV, senator Bob, syntactic doubling  
•       •       •

4639 clicks; posted to Politics » on 22 Feb 2014 at 11:57 AM (30 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



Voting Results (Smartest)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

2014-02-22 01:15:34 PM
9 votes:

tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.


Absolute, utter horsecrap. Further expansion of VW plants in the entire South and other so-called "right to work" states is now extremely unlikely because VW management (half of which is labor) requires that there be a work council at each plant, which in the United States must be done through a union. The unionization was partly management's idea, and now that anti-business Republicans are threatening their business if they run the way they like, Volkswagen is likely not to stay in the South. And your party is actively trying to drive away any company with a unionized workforce.

So, going to reconsider your stupid statement like a human being with an inquisitive mind, or are you going to double down on the derp?
2014-02-22 09:04:39 AM
9 votes:
FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?
2014-02-22 01:03:34 PM
7 votes:

LadySusan: Hey, I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed and I'm not seeing an egregious lie from Corker. From this http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/feb/13/bob-corker-defends-suv - remark-after-volkswagen-str/

it sounds like he said VW would decide where to build a new SUV based on the union vote. The plant manager said, "Nope, no correlation between the two at all."

Anyone who believes that VW isn't making decisions about what, where, and how to do anything based on all available data...wages, unions, availability of water/power/parts/interweb/freeways/shipping, and etc. is smoking something that ain't tobacco. The same goes for anyone who believes that any official speaking for VW on the record hasn't carefully vetted all speech through legal.

Funny "invisible dick" picture though! Also, sorry the vote went the way it did.


LazySusan; he specifically claimed that VW was against unions and would "reward" the state with additional vehicle production if they rejected the union vote.

Which is a lie.

tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW. Now it's greater than 0. Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members. It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?" Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions. Now, they are just overhead.


Oooo, that's some quality lying.
2014-02-22 12:23:54 PM
7 votes:
In Germany, a union representative must be included in the company's board of directors. It appears that this leads to better labor relations in general.

Too bad the GOP would burn this country to the ground before it would consider something like that.
2014-02-22 02:38:54 PM
5 votes:
If I were in the management of VW I'd be concerned about any expansion in TN solely due to the apparent willingness of the government there to interfere with business and renege on deals for purely political purposes. The State GOP made it perfectly clear they'd back out of existing inventive deals if the vote passed. They've proven that the incentive deals that made VW move to that state in the first place aren't worth the paper they are printed on and the local politicians will tear them up at a whim. That's not a state I'd want to do business in.
2014-02-22 01:37:51 PM
5 votes:

MisterEZ: Pimparoo: Too bad the GOP would burn this country to the ground before it would consider something like that.

You might not have been able to see because of all the smoke, but burning this country to the ground is exactly what they've been doing for some time now.


And to think this all started with Ronald Reagan, whom everyone voted for in 1980 because everyone was having ROID RAGE over the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Little did these cretins know that while they were voting for Ronnie so he could smash the Iranians, he was conspiring with the Ayatollah to keep those hostages until after the election, with a secret shipment of military missiles as tribute afterward.

And THEN use that money to help sponsor Latin American Death Squads.

Just evil evil evil from A to Z! That's the GOP.
2014-02-22 01:41:00 PM
4 votes:

runwiz: For allwe know, Corker is telling the truth.  VW may have told him exactly what he claims they said.  But VW was smart enough to know that making that statement public would open them to charges that they were trying to illegally influence the vote.  So they tell Corker knowing he wouldn't be able to keep his mouth shut and thus would do VW's dirty work for them.  And they get deniability.


Somehow, I don't buy into the "everyone is lying but the politician" argument.
2014-02-22 01:46:42 PM
3 votes:

KWess: CREDIT: REUTERS/CHRISTOPHER ALUKA BERRY
(Reuters) - Volkswagen's top labor representative threatened on Wednesday to try to block further investments by the German carmaker in the southern United States if its workers there are not unionized.Workers at VW's factory in Chattanooga, Tennessee, last Friday voted against representation by the United Auto Workers union (UAW), rejecting efforts by VW representatives to set up a German-style works council at the plant.
German workers enjoy considerable influence over company decisions under the legally enshrined "co-determination" principle which is anathema to many politicians in the U.S. who see organized labor as a threat to profits and job growth.
Chattanooga is VW's only factory in the U.S. and one of the company's few in the world without a works council.
"I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council."If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said.
The 20-member panel - evenly split between labor and management - has to approve any decision on closing plants or building new ones.
Osterloh's comments were published on Wednesday in German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung. A spokesman at the Wolfsburg-based works council confirmed the remarks.


Conservatives are going to keep sticking their fingers in their ears and pretending VW operates like an American company, and will take glee in paying its workers less just so it can negotiate thousands of times instead of just once, and have no discernible organization with whom to coordinate efforts. Frankly, the GOP hates people who make a living by working instead of investing, so it's no surprise how hard they are working to delude themselves into believing everyone else is as economically inept as they are.
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-22 01:02:58 PM
3 votes:
tbeatty:

The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.  Now it's greater than 0.   Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members.  It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?"  Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions.  Now, they are just overhead.

That's the spin.  Detroit is what happens when you let lobbyists write trade laws.

Garman auto makers are all unionized and they kept their manufacturing sector instead of exporting jobs to China.

Of course, they were fortunate enough to not have Reagan.
2014-02-22 12:29:47 PM
3 votes:

LadySusan: Hey, I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed and I'm not seeing an egregious lie from Corker. From this http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/feb/13/bob-corker-defends-suv - remark-after-volkswagen-str/

it sounds like he said VW would decide where to build a new SUV based on the union vote. The plant manager said, "Nope, no correlation between the two at all."

Anyone who believes that VW isn't making decisions about what, where, and how to do anything based on all available data...wages, unions, availability of water/power/parts/interweb/freeways/shipping, and etc. is smoking something that ain't tobacco. The same goes for anyone who believes that any official speaking for VW on the record hasn't carefully vetted all speech through legal.

Funny "invisible dick" picture though! Also, sorry the vote went the way it did.


The relationship between companies and their labor force isn't the same in Germany as what we are used to here. In a plant with thousands of workers, having a single union to deal with instead of thousands and thousands of workers is easier especially when the union and the company aren't automatically considered enemies. As someone else mentioned, in Germany a union typically gets a representative on the company board. The resulting stability in labor is a good thing for the company and many of the HR headaches get offloaded onto the union.
2014-02-22 12:28:35 PM
3 votes:

Pimparoo: Too bad the GOP would burn this country to the ground before it would consider something like that.


You might not have been able to see because of all the smoke, but burning this country to the ground is exactly what they've been doing for some time now.
2014-02-22 11:02:59 AM
3 votes:
The Germans aren't used to all this union hate.  It sure looks unseemly to me.
2014-02-22 10:28:29 AM
3 votes:
Christ what an asshole
2014-02-22 09:00:55 AM
3 votes:
Anyone surprised by this?
No?
Good.
2014-02-22 02:04:51 PM
2 votes:
The GOP's assholeness in this thing was because the GOP is afraid VW would come in, work really really well with labor through the union, and everybody would think it's a great thing... which might lead to unionization at other plants and in other industries.  The GOP just doesn't want to be shown up as liars by a functional, beneficial management/union/labor relationship.

Because the GOP represents people.  Corporate people, my friend.
2014-02-22 01:42:23 PM
2 votes:

CREDIT: REUTERS/CHRISTOPHER ALUKA BERRY


(Reuters) - Volkswagen's top labor representative threatened on Wednesday to try to block further investments by the German carmaker in the southern United States if its workers there are not unionized.

Workers at VW's factory in Chattanooga, Tennessee, last Friday voted against representation by the United Auto Workers union (UAW), rejecting efforts by VW representatives to set up a German-style works council at the plant.

German workers enjoy considerable influence over company decisions under the legally enshrined "co-determination" principle which is anathema to many politicians in the U.S. who see organized labor as a threat to profits and job growth.

Chattanooga is VW's only factory in the U.S. and one of the company's few in the world without a works council.

"I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council.

"If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said.

The 20-member panel - evenly split between labor and management - has to approve any decision on closing plants or building new ones.

Osterloh's comments were published on Wednesday in German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung. A spokesman at the Wolfsburg-based works council confirmed the remarks.

2014-02-22 01:31:49 PM
2 votes:

The Bananadragon: Honestly, if I were VW, I'd start talking to Gov. Deal over in GA about this, as well as the Carolinas, VA, KY, AR, and even LA. Tell them you aren't appreciative of the anti-business atmosphere in TN and are looking for a new home for a rather impressive plant. (VW adds $12B to Tennessee's GDP, pays 1.4BN in annual taxes, injected almost another billion in plant-construction contracts and supplying dealerships with cars, and employs like 3000 people.) Make it clear that you're looking to move specifically because of the government meddling in the affairs of your worker/corporate relationship and you aren't gonna go anywhere if it happens again. GA would be especially lucrative because Dalton is only 30 minutes from Chattanooga, so you could basically keep your workforce intact - but offer your existing workers the chance to move, and pay for their relocation, because the workers shouldn't have to pay the price for this.


No, I think VW's retaliation would be to make that SUV in Mexico, despite any incentives for "turning away the union".

/Has no one mentioned that VW was a joint filer in that appeal?
//They want this union.
2014-02-22 01:17:37 PM
2 votes:

tbeatty: mutterfark: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?

They "clearly spoke" that they wanted to keep their doctor and their plan.

The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.  Now it's greater than 0.   Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members.  It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?"  Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions.  Now, they are just overhead.


Christ, there's that bullshiat "look what the unions did to Detroit" right-wing talking point. You idiots sound like a bad song played on a scratched 45 rpm record.
2014-02-22 01:10:06 PM
2 votes:
tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW. Now it's greater than 0. Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members. It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?" Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions. Now, they are just overhead.

Oooo, that's some quality lying.


I dunno, that doesn't seem very quality to me. Maybe if we got a union for the trolls, there would be a minimum standard for trolling.
2014-02-22 12:10:11 PM
2 votes:
Laser like focus.
2014-02-22 12:01:20 PM
2 votes:
FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

No, the workers knew all to well that spiteful, vindictive republicans would do everything in their power to ruin their jobs if they voted for the Union.
2014-02-22 09:10:25 AM
2 votes:

mutterfark: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?


That doesn't count because Obama is guilty of the worst crime imaginable: Presidenting while Black.
2014-02-23 04:38:48 AM
1 votes:

Jorn the Younger: "cause to become not financially viable" is not the same thing as "made illegal"


And not only because they're in different tenses.

"caused to become not financially viable" is not the same thing as "made illegal"
FTFM
2014-02-23 04:36:56 AM
1 votes:

tbeatty: Jorn the Younger: tbeatty: qorkfiend: tbeatty: They "clearly spoke" that they wanted to keep their doctor and their plan.

Maybe they should "clearly speak" to the health insurance companies that cancelled their plans or altered their networks.

Plans were cancelled because ACA made the illegal to continue.

Any health insurance plan made "illegal" by the ACA was so abysmal it shouldn't have really counted as health insurance coverage in the first place.

The goggles, they do nothing.  The stupid, it burns.  Like 50+ married couples with a $5k deductible needed obstetric care with no deductible.  Hello?  McFly? Did anyone think that empty nest 50+ couples aren't going to have kids and can affod a $5k deductible?  That's right: "abysmal".  Faring retard.



Well, let me first thank you for your polite, well reasoned, and coherent response- it is both easy to comprehend, and you elected not to make personal attacks, for which I applaud you.

Unfortunately, as you so kindly pointed out, I am somewhat mentally deficient, so could you possibly provide some additional information about these magically wonderful health insurance plans that became "illegal" due to the ACA?

In an attempt to be clear (though I can only hope to be so cogent and understandable as yourself), let me state that I am specifically looking for evidence of insurance plans which the ACA made illegal, and I'd appreciate citiations of the plans in questions, as well as the relevant sections of the legislation which outlaws them.  This does not include plans that were discontinued by the insurer as not-financially viable, as- at least to my own addled mind - "cause to become not financially viable" is not the same thing as "made illegal"
2014-02-22 05:22:58 PM
1 votes:

Great_Milenko: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

No, the workers knew all to well that spiteful, vindictive republicans would do everything in their power to ruin their jobs if they voted for the Union.


THIS^^ They were more concerned that asshole republicans like Corker would do all they could to carry out the wishes of corporations and fark their good jobs up. VW now knows this, and is reconsidering future expansion in southern states because of morons like these.

From the link above: "I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council.
"If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said."


That's right... this is going to cost jobs, and it will be Corker and his corporate masters fault.

s3.amazonaws.com


Proof positive that the rest of the industrialized world isn't as backwards as the United States, and why they rightfully laugh at us... well, some of us.
2014-02-22 04:51:58 PM
1 votes:

Thrag: If I were in the management of VW I'd be concerned about any expansion in TN solely due to the apparent willingness of the government there to interfere with business and renege on deals for purely political purposes. The State GOP made it perfectly clear they'd back out of existing inventive deals if the vote passed. They've proven that the incentive deals that made VW move to that state in the first place aren't worth the paper they are printed on and the local politicians will tear them up at a whim. That's not a state I'd want to do business in.


I know. While corkers statement was wrong and possibly illegal...I think it was more of an outrage that the tn govt threatened to reneg on existing tax subsidies if they unionized

1 how is that not illegal?
2 what the business is it of the govt how private entities deal with their labor?

That's that laser line focus and you know, less regulation for you.
2014-02-22 04:31:24 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.


I was thinking it sounds like a good name for a brand of fishing bobbers
2014-02-22 03:56:33 PM
1 votes:
Sticking to the big lie with great conviction and fury has been working for the republicans for decades. Why would they stop now?
2014-02-22 03:30:48 PM
1 votes:

netringer: captainktainer: tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.

Absolute, utter horsecrap. Further expansion of VW plants in the entire South and other so-called "right to work" states is now extremely unlikely because VW management (half of which is labor) requires that there be a work council at each plant, which in the United States must be done through a union. The unionization was partly management's idea, and now that anti-business Republicans are threatening their business if they run the way they like, Volkswagen is likely not to stay in the South. And your party is actively trying to drive away any company with a unionized workforce.

So, going to reconsider your stupid statement like a human being with an inquisitive mind, or are you going to double down on the derp?

Who would know more about what VW is going to do, Bob Corker - making up a promise from VW - or VW itself saying they never promised a thing?

Corker can keep moving his stroking hand while VW eventually closes the plant in Tennessee.


At which point the Republicans will blame the plant closure on the Unions.

And the idiot right wing asswits that vote for them will believe it.
2014-02-22 02:45:49 PM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: And to think this all started with Ronald Reagan, whom everyone voted for in 1980 because everyone was having ROID RAGE over the Iranian Hostage Crisis.


That was a big part of Reagan's win, but it wasn't all of it. Like many young liberals at the time, I was severely disillusioned with Carter. A lot of us were disgusted by Carter's appointment of Griffin Bell to the office of Attorney General (disgust which was entirely misplaced, as it happens - Bell ended up being a damned fine AG), but the big issue was reinstatement of draft registration. Most of us could remember the draft, remembered neighbors and our friends' big brothers getting sent to Vietnam, remembered the sense of victory when the draft finally ended and so considered draft registration the thin edge of the wedge to a return to the bad old days. Draft registration went a long way towards demoralizing what should have been Carter's base in 1980, and made Reagan's job as candidate a lot easier.
2014-02-22 02:44:15 PM
1 votes:

IlGreven: The Bananadragon: Honestly, if I were VW, I'd start talking to Gov. Deal over in GA about this, as well as the Carolinas, VA, KY, AR, and even LA. Tell them you aren't appreciative of the anti-business atmosphere in TN and are looking for a new home for a rather impressive plant. (VW adds $12B to Tennessee's GDP, pays 1.4BN in annual taxes, injected almost another billion in plant-construction contracts and supplying dealerships with cars, and employs like 3000 people.) Make it clear that you're looking to move specifically because of the government meddling in the affairs of your worker/corporate relationship and you aren't gonna go anywhere if it happens again. GA would be especially lucrative because Dalton is only 30 minutes from Chattanooga, so you could basically keep your workforce intact - but offer your existing workers the chance to move, and pay for their relocation, because the workers shouldn't have to pay the price for this.

One thing I forgot to add: Georgia is just as bad as Tennessee on jobs, making decisions that destroy economies, like their refusal to expand Medicaid, leaving many patients unable to pay for care, and many hospitals either footing the bill for those patients or not having enough patients to justify their costs...so they're laying off doctors and nurses, or worse yet, shutting down altogether. And then, of course, their draconian immigration policy that is basically destroying a lot of farms who don't have enough labor to harvest their crops. And that's even before we talk about letting in a known union-friendly business into the state.


While true, they also just blew through a pretty massive weather crisis, and I bet they'd love to get some sweet taxy lucre their way. I agree that it probably isn't enough to accept those filthy unions, but GA and NC are the two bluest states in the south, and so are the best chances for VW to stay close to where they currently are. They'd just have to make it more than clear to GA's government that the entire reason they're leaving TN is because the government there is hostile to unions, and they are NOT gonna put up with that crap from wherever they move to, so either GA guarantees VW the right to run its business how it wants to, or they just don't even try moving there.

My other personal favorite place for them to move is of course back to motherfarking Detroit. More likely, though, they'd go to IA or PA or something.

Also, that thing about the SUV line. the TN plant has the infrastructure to build two types of car, and with a union on board in the plant, they'd almost certainly have done it (or at minimum, wouldn't have hesitated about the costs). Now they not only probably won't do it, the South has just shot its chances of joining the 20th century in the foot here by scaring away future manufacturing jobs.
2014-02-22 02:29:52 PM
1 votes:

The Bananadragon: Honestly, if I were VW, I'd start talking to Gov. Deal over in GA about this, as well as the Carolinas, VA, KY, AR, and even LA. Tell them you aren't appreciative of the anti-business atmosphere in TN and are looking for a new home for a rather impressive plant. (VW adds $12B to Tennessee's GDP, pays 1.4BN in annual taxes, injected almost another billion in plant-construction contracts and supplying dealerships with cars, and employs like 3000 people.) Make it clear that you're looking to move specifically because of the government meddling in the affairs of your worker/corporate relationship and you aren't gonna go anywhere if it happens again. GA would be especially lucrative because Dalton is only 30 minutes from Chattanooga, so you could basically keep your workforce intact - but offer your existing workers the chance to move, and pay for their relocation, because the workers shouldn't have to pay the price for this.


One thing I forgot to add: Georgia is just as bad as Tennessee on jobs, making decisions that destroy economies, like their refusal to expand Medicaid, leaving many patients unable to pay for care, and many hospitals either footing the bill for those patients or not having enough patients to justify their costs...so they're laying off doctors and nurses, or worse yet, shutting down altogether. And then, of course, their draconian immigration policy that is basically destroying a lot of farms who don't have enough labor to harvest their crops. And that's even before we talk about letting in a known union-friendly business into the state.
2014-02-22 01:52:00 PM
1 votes:

IlGreven: The Bananadragon: Honestly, if I were VW, I'd start talking to Gov. Deal over in GA about this, as well as the Carolinas, VA, KY, AR, and even LA. Tell them you aren't appreciative of the anti-business atmosphere in TN and are looking for a new home for a rather impressive plant. (VW adds $12B to Tennessee's GDP, pays 1.4BN in annual taxes, injected almost another billion in plant-construction contracts and supplying dealerships with cars, and employs like 3000 people.) Make it clear that you're looking to move specifically because of the government meddling in the affairs of your worker/corporate relationship and you aren't gonna go anywhere if it happens again. GA would be especially lucrative because Dalton is only 30 minutes from Chattanooga, so you could basically keep your workforce intact - but offer your existing workers the chance to move, and pay for their relocation, because the workers shouldn't have to pay the price for this.

No, I think VW's retaliation would be to make that SUV in Mexico, despite any incentives for "turning away the union".

/Has no one mentioned that VW was a joint filer in that appeal?
//They want this union.


I think VW is going to end up moving this plant, and not to another Southern state, just to avoid this headache. It is pretty clear that their union doesn't want a plant in the south, or any Right to Work states, anymore.
2014-02-22 01:13:49 PM
1 votes:

IamTomJoad: It would be great to see the gymnastics Corker performs if VW decideds to put the new production in Mexico where the workers are unionized.


This is right in my backyard. We obviously need the jobs here and I hope VW chooses to build the new vehicle in Chattanooga.

I would be dishonest if I didn't admit that a small part of me hopes they build it elsewhere just to help expose the locals to the asshats republicans really are.
2014-02-22 01:06:49 PM
1 votes:

tbeatty: mutterfark: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?

They "clearly spoke" that they wanted to keep their doctor and their plan.

The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.  Now it's greater than 0.   Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members.  It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?"  Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions.  Now, they are just overhead.


What you are saying would be worth listening to if it didn't directly contradict what VW has said.

You don't want people to think you're a moron because you're a bad troll, you want people to think you're a moron because you're a good troll.
2014-02-22 01:05:09 PM
1 votes:
He's too busy applying his Big Government solution to their Free Market arrangement with workers and unions.
2014-02-22 12:58:54 PM
1 votes:

tbeatty: They "clearly spoke" that they wanted to keep their doctor and their plan.


Maybe they should "clearly speak" to the health insurance companies that cancelled their plans or altered their networks.
2014-02-22 12:53:05 PM
1 votes:
It would be great to see the gymnastics Corker performs if VW decideds to put the new production in Mexico where the workers are unionized.
2014-02-22 12:30:50 PM
1 votes:
Ill disclose first that I'm not a fan of unions. I don't think there's any love for the UAW and the vote showed that. But I watched an interview with this guy and he comes across as an insincere blow hard and obviously not that bright. This thing could be over but he just had to use it to get himself associated with it somehow and possibly given an opening for a redo.
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-22 12:26:26 PM
1 votes:
LadySusan:

Anyone who believes that VW isn't making decisions about what, where, and how to do anything based on all available data...wages, unions, availability of water/power/parts/interweb/freeways/shipping, and etc. is smoking something that ain't tobacco. The same goes for anyone who believes that any official speaking for VW on the record hasn't carefully vetted all speech through legal.

Funny "invisible dick" picture though! Also, sorry the vote went the way it did.


If it was intended to influence the vote then it was a violation of federal labor law.
2014-02-22 12:19:46 PM
1 votes:

vpb: Marcus Aurelius: The Germans aren't used to all this union hate.  It sure looks unseemly to me.

They just need to get used to dealing with third world labor.


To be honest, I hope VW takes advantage of this opportunity to screw their Tennessean employees.  No reason a German capitalist shouldn't squeeze out a few more Euros when the workers won't even take the opportunity to organize when it's handed to them on a silver platter.
2014-02-22 09:13:58 AM
1 votes:

Serious Black: mutterfark: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?

That doesn't count because Obama is guilty of the worst crime imaginable: Presidenting while Black.


Don't forget eatin' crackers like he owns the place.
 
Displayed 42 of 42 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report