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(Chattanooga Times Free Press)   Tennessee Senator Bob Corker (R-eally hates unions): doubles down on his lie, despite VW's calling him out on it   (timesfreepress.com) divider line 151
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2014-02-22 01:42:23 PM  

CREDIT: REUTERS/CHRISTOPHER ALUKA BERRY


(Reuters) - Volkswagen's top labor representative threatened on Wednesday to try to block further investments by the German carmaker in the southern United States if its workers there are not unionized.

Workers at VW's factory in Chattanooga, Tennessee, last Friday voted against representation by the United Auto Workers union (UAW), rejecting efforts by VW representatives to set up a German-style works council at the plant.

German workers enjoy considerable influence over company decisions under the legally enshrined "co-determination" principle which is anathema to many politicians in the U.S. who see organized labor as a threat to profits and job growth.

Chattanooga is VW's only factory in the U.S. and one of the company's few in the world without a works council.

"I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council.

"If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said.

The 20-member panel - evenly split between labor and management - has to approve any decision on closing plants or building new ones.

Osterloh's comments were published on Wednesday in German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung. A spokesman at the Wolfsburg-based works council confirmed the remarks.

 
2014-02-22 01:46:42 PM  

KWess: CREDIT: REUTERS/CHRISTOPHER ALUKA BERRY
(Reuters) - Volkswagen's top labor representative threatened on Wednesday to try to block further investments by the German carmaker in the southern United States if its workers there are not unionized.Workers at VW's factory in Chattanooga, Tennessee, last Friday voted against representation by the United Auto Workers union (UAW), rejecting efforts by VW representatives to set up a German-style works council at the plant.
German workers enjoy considerable influence over company decisions under the legally enshrined "co-determination" principle which is anathema to many politicians in the U.S. who see organized labor as a threat to profits and job growth.
Chattanooga is VW's only factory in the U.S. and one of the company's few in the world without a works council.
"I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council."If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said.
The 20-member panel - evenly split between labor and management - has to approve any decision on closing plants or building new ones.
Osterloh's comments were published on Wednesday in German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung. A spokesman at the Wolfsburg-based works council confirmed the remarks.


Conservatives are going to keep sticking their fingers in their ears and pretending VW operates like an American company, and will take glee in paying its workers less just so it can negotiate thousands of times instead of just once, and have no discernible organization with whom to coordinate efforts. Frankly, the GOP hates people who make a living by working instead of investing, so it's no surprise how hard they are working to delude themselves into believing everyone else is as economically inept as they are.
 
2014-02-22 01:50:50 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Bareefer Obonghit: Mugato: Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.

He's already showing off his bukkake technique in that picture

Less about Bob Corker in this thread! More of his daughter!

[www.misterorange.com image 480x452]


Yes! Let's have more "Photos of Julia Corker tagged by others".
 
2014-02-22 01:51:39 PM  
Sigh...

Bob Corker was doing so good until this shiat..

Supporting immigration reform despite campaigning as a xenophobic teatard.
Calling out Mitch McConnel on his obstructionist horseshiat
Actually working with democrats to like.. govern..

Now he's gone full derp retard.

Sigh... Tennessee republicans are strange birds.
 
2014-02-22 01:52:00 PM  

IlGreven: The Bananadragon: Honestly, if I were VW, I'd start talking to Gov. Deal over in GA about this, as well as the Carolinas, VA, KY, AR, and even LA. Tell them you aren't appreciative of the anti-business atmosphere in TN and are looking for a new home for a rather impressive plant. (VW adds $12B to Tennessee's GDP, pays 1.4BN in annual taxes, injected almost another billion in plant-construction contracts and supplying dealerships with cars, and employs like 3000 people.) Make it clear that you're looking to move specifically because of the government meddling in the affairs of your worker/corporate relationship and you aren't gonna go anywhere if it happens again. GA would be especially lucrative because Dalton is only 30 minutes from Chattanooga, so you could basically keep your workforce intact - but offer your existing workers the chance to move, and pay for their relocation, because the workers shouldn't have to pay the price for this.

No, I think VW's retaliation would be to make that SUV in Mexico, despite any incentives for "turning away the union".

/Has no one mentioned that VW was a joint filer in that appeal?
//They want this union.


I think VW is going to end up moving this plant, and not to another Southern state, just to avoid this headache. It is pretty clear that their union doesn't want a plant in the south, or any Right to Work states, anymore.
 
2014-02-22 01:55:19 PM  

firefly212: KWess: CREDIT: REUTERS/CHRISTOPHER ALUKA BERRY
(Reuters) - Volkswagen's top labor representative threatened on Wednesday to try to block further investments by the German carmaker in the southern United States if its workers there are not unionized.Workers at VW's factory in Chattanooga, Tennessee, last Friday voted against representation by the United Auto Workers union (UAW), rejecting efforts by VW representatives to set up a German-style works council at the plant.
German workers enjoy considerable influence over company decisions under the legally enshrined "co-determination" principle which is anathema to many politicians in the U.S. who see organized labor as a threat to profits and job growth.
Chattanooga is VW's only factory in the U.S. and one of the company's few in the world without a works council.
"I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council."If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said.
The 20-member panel - evenly split between labor and management - has to approve any decision on closing plants or building new ones.
Osterloh's comments were published on Wednesday in German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung. A spokesman at the Wolfsburg-based works council confirmed the remarks.

Conservatives are going to keep sticking their fingers in their ears and pretending VW operates like an American company, and will take glee in paying its workers less just so it can negotiate thousands of times instead of just once, and have no discernible organization with whom to coordinate efforts. Frankly, the GOP hates people who make a living by working instead of investing, so it's no surprise how hard they are ...




They won't negotiate thousands of times for labour...that's the trick...they don't negotiate at all. Take it or leave it.

I work in Europe. On vacation next week. That means I only have 7-weeks left to use by October...
 
2014-02-22 01:57:44 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The Germans aren't used to all this union hate.  It sure looks unseemly to me.


Hey Pal, Americans have already gotten to experience plenty of "ze Germans" unionization. Hitler was in the UAW if you recall, and we all know how that lead to the death of around 5,000 Jews.

With Russia getting all uppity again you'd do well to keep your opinions to yourself if you expect any of our boys to come and die to protect you... again. You're welcome by the way.
 
2014-02-22 02:02:07 PM  

KWess: They won't negotiate thousands of times for labour...that's the trick...they don't negotiate at all. Take it or leave it.

I work in Europe. On vacation next week. That means I only have 7-weeks left to use by October...


Yeah! Those mean Germans! Forcing vacation time onto its workers, because of the illusion that a well-rested workforce is an efficient workforce! How dare they!

/The pyramids weren't built by union labor, and neither are good ol' Amurcan cars!
 
2014-02-22 02:03:20 PM  

IlGreven: KWess: They won't negotiate thousands of times for labour...that's the trick...they don't negotiate at all. Take it or leave it.

I work in Europe. On vacation next week. That means I only have 7-weeks left to use by October...

Yeah! Those mean Germans! Forcing vacation time onto its workers, because of the illusion that a well-rested workforce is an efficient workforce! How dare they!

/The pyramids weren't built by union labor, and neither are good ol' Amurcan cars!


Actually, the pyramids were built with union labor.
 
2014-02-22 02:04:51 PM  
The GOP's assholeness in this thing was because the GOP is afraid VW would come in, work really really well with labor through the union, and everybody would think it's a great thing... which might lead to unionization at other plants and in other industries.  The GOP just doesn't want to be shown up as liars by a functional, beneficial management/union/labor relationship.

Because the GOP represents people.  Corporate people, my friend.
 
2014-02-22 02:16:08 PM  

captainktainer: tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.

Derp...

So, going to reconsider your stupid statement like a human being with an inquisitive mind, or are you going to double down on the derp?


No he is going to do what every other right wing troll does after they have dumped their unproven and indefensible lies talking points.

Leave the thread and do it again elsewhere elsewhere.
 
2014-02-22 02:21:03 PM  

KWess: CREDIT: REUTERS/CHRISTOPHER ALUKA BERRY
(Reuters) - Volkswagen's top labor representative threatened on Wednesday to try to block further investments by the German carmaker in the southern United States if its workers there are not unionized.Workers at VW's factory in Chattanooga, Tennessee, last Friday voted against representation by the United Auto Workers union (UAW), rejecting efforts by VW representatives to set up a German-style works council at the plant.
German workers enjoy considerable influence over company decisions under the legally enshrined "co-determination" principle which is anathema to many politicians in the U.S. who see organized labor as a threat to profits and job growth.
Chattanooga is VW's only factory in the U.S. and one of the company's few in the world without a works council.
"I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council."If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said.
The 20-member panel - evenly split between labor and management - has to approve any decision on closing plants or building new ones.
Osterloh's comments were published on Wednesday in German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung. A spokesman at the Wolfsburg-based works council confirmed the remarks.


Sounds like Corker may have cost them the expansion. And possibly any more plants in the south. Good Job Bob!
 
2014-02-22 02:29:16 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Sounds like Corker may have cost them the expansion. And possibly any more plants in the south. Good Job Bob!


All part of that "laser-like focus".
 
2014-02-22 02:29:25 PM  
Oh boy another HURR DURR the private sector is better than unions thread.

I can't wait to see where it goes.
 
2014-02-22 02:29:52 PM  

The Bananadragon: Honestly, if I were VW, I'd start talking to Gov. Deal over in GA about this, as well as the Carolinas, VA, KY, AR, and even LA. Tell them you aren't appreciative of the anti-business atmosphere in TN and are looking for a new home for a rather impressive plant. (VW adds $12B to Tennessee's GDP, pays 1.4BN in annual taxes, injected almost another billion in plant-construction contracts and supplying dealerships with cars, and employs like 3000 people.) Make it clear that you're looking to move specifically because of the government meddling in the affairs of your worker/corporate relationship and you aren't gonna go anywhere if it happens again. GA would be especially lucrative because Dalton is only 30 minutes from Chattanooga, so you could basically keep your workforce intact - but offer your existing workers the chance to move, and pay for their relocation, because the workers shouldn't have to pay the price for this.


One thing I forgot to add: Georgia is just as bad as Tennessee on jobs, making decisions that destroy economies, like their refusal to expand Medicaid, leaving many patients unable to pay for care, and many hospitals either footing the bill for those patients or not having enough patients to justify their costs...so they're laying off doctors and nurses, or worse yet, shutting down altogether. And then, of course, their draconian immigration policy that is basically destroying a lot of farms who don't have enough labor to harvest their crops. And that's even before we talk about letting in a known union-friendly business into the state.
 
2014-02-22 02:30:04 PM  

KWess: CREDIT: REUTERS/CHRISTOPHER ALUKA BERRY
(Reuters) - Volkswagen's top labor representative threatened on Wednesday to try to block further investments by the German carmaker in the southern United States if its workers there are not unionized.Workers at VW's factory in Chattanooga, Tennessee, last Friday voted against representation by the United Auto Workers union (UAW), rejecting efforts by VW representatives to set up a German-style works council at the plant.
German workers enjoy considerable influence over company decisions under the legally enshrined "co-determination" principle which is anathema to many politicians in the U.S. who see organized labor as a threat to profits and job growth.
Chattanooga is VW's only factory in the U.S. and one of the company's few in the world without a works council.
"I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council."If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said.
The 20-member panel - evenly split between labor and management - has to approve any decision on closing plants or building new ones.
Osterloh's comments were published on Wednesday in German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung. A spokesman at the Wolfsburg-based works council confirmed the remarks.


Excellent! Let's hope the media manages to make it clear that VW itself is on board with the union.
 
2014-02-22 02:38:54 PM  
If I were in the management of VW I'd be concerned about any expansion in TN solely due to the apparent willingness of the government there to interfere with business and renege on deals for purely political purposes. The State GOP made it perfectly clear they'd back out of existing inventive deals if the vote passed. They've proven that the incentive deals that made VW move to that state in the first place aren't worth the paper they are printed on and the local politicians will tear them up at a whim. That's not a state I'd want to do business in.
 
2014-02-22 02:39:07 PM  

captainktainer: tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.

Absolute, utter horsecrap. Further expansion of VW plants in the entire South and other so-called "right to work" states is now extremely unlikely because VW management (half of which is labor) requires that there be a work council at each plant, which in the United States must be done through a union. The unionization was partly management's idea, and now that anti-business Republicans are threatening their business if they run the way they like, Volkswagen is likely not to stay in the South. And your party is actively trying to drive away any company with a unionized workforce.

So, going to reconsider your stupid statement like a human being with an inquisitive mind, or are you going to double down on the derp?


Who would know more about what VW is going to do, Bob Corker - making up a promise from VW - or VW itself saying they never promised a thing?

Corker can keep moving his stroking hand while VW eventually closes the plant in Tennessee.
 
2014-02-22 02:44:15 PM  

IlGreven: The Bananadragon: Honestly, if I were VW, I'd start talking to Gov. Deal over in GA about this, as well as the Carolinas, VA, KY, AR, and even LA. Tell them you aren't appreciative of the anti-business atmosphere in TN and are looking for a new home for a rather impressive plant. (VW adds $12B to Tennessee's GDP, pays 1.4BN in annual taxes, injected almost another billion in plant-construction contracts and supplying dealerships with cars, and employs like 3000 people.) Make it clear that you're looking to move specifically because of the government meddling in the affairs of your worker/corporate relationship and you aren't gonna go anywhere if it happens again. GA would be especially lucrative because Dalton is only 30 minutes from Chattanooga, so you could basically keep your workforce intact - but offer your existing workers the chance to move, and pay for their relocation, because the workers shouldn't have to pay the price for this.

One thing I forgot to add: Georgia is just as bad as Tennessee on jobs, making decisions that destroy economies, like their refusal to expand Medicaid, leaving many patients unable to pay for care, and many hospitals either footing the bill for those patients or not having enough patients to justify their costs...so they're laying off doctors and nurses, or worse yet, shutting down altogether. And then, of course, their draconian immigration policy that is basically destroying a lot of farms who don't have enough labor to harvest their crops. And that's even before we talk about letting in a known union-friendly business into the state.


While true, they also just blew through a pretty massive weather crisis, and I bet they'd love to get some sweet taxy lucre their way. I agree that it probably isn't enough to accept those filthy unions, but GA and NC are the two bluest states in the south, and so are the best chances for VW to stay close to where they currently are. They'd just have to make it more than clear to GA's government that the entire reason they're leaving TN is because the government there is hostile to unions, and they are NOT gonna put up with that crap from wherever they move to, so either GA guarantees VW the right to run its business how it wants to, or they just don't even try moving there.

My other personal favorite place for them to move is of course back to motherfarking Detroit. More likely, though, they'd go to IA or PA or something.

Also, that thing about the SUV line. the TN plant has the infrastructure to build two types of car, and with a union on board in the plant, they'd almost certainly have done it (or at minimum, wouldn't have hesitated about the costs). Now they not only probably won't do it, the South has just shot its chances of joining the 20th century in the foot here by scaring away future manufacturing jobs.
 
2014-02-22 02:45:49 PM  

TV's Vinnie: And to think this all started with Ronald Reagan, whom everyone voted for in 1980 because everyone was having ROID RAGE over the Iranian Hostage Crisis.


That was a big part of Reagan's win, but it wasn't all of it. Like many young liberals at the time, I was severely disillusioned with Carter. A lot of us were disgusted by Carter's appointment of Griffin Bell to the office of Attorney General (disgust which was entirely misplaced, as it happens - Bell ended up being a damned fine AG), but the big issue was reinstatement of draft registration. Most of us could remember the draft, remembered neighbors and our friends' big brothers getting sent to Vietnam, remembered the sense of victory when the draft finally ended and so considered draft registration the thin edge of the wedge to a return to the bad old days. Draft registration went a long way towards demoralizing what should have been Carter's base in 1980, and made Reagan's job as candidate a lot easier.
 
2014-02-22 02:47:56 PM  

The Bananadragon: the South has just shot its chances of joining the 20th century in the foot here by scaring away future manufacturing jobs.


Cue the NRA trumpeting their 2nd Am right to do so.
 
2014-02-22 02:59:19 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: The Bananadragon: the South has just shot its chances of joining the 20th century in the foot here by scaring away future manufacturing jobs.

Cue the NRA trumpeting their 2nd Am right to do so.


We may just have to build that long wall after all, but not to keep out the Messikinz but to keep out Southerners.
 
2014-02-22 03:00:20 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: The Bananadragon: the South has just shot its chances of joining the 20th century in the foot here by scaring away future manufacturing jobs.

Cue the NRA trumpeting their 2nd Am right to do so.


Maybe they should start inviting gun manufacturers down there. You know, for when the South is Gonna Do it Agin™.
 
2014-02-22 03:00:48 PM  

EngineerAU: LadySusan: Hey, I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed and I'm not seeing an egregious lie from Corker. From this http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/feb/13/bob-corker-defends-suv - remark-after-volkswagen-str/

it sounds like he said VW would decide where to build a new SUV based on the union vote. The plant manager said, "Nope, no correlation between the two at all."

Anyone who believes that VW isn't making decisions about what, where, and how to do anything based on all available data...wages, unions, availability of water/power/parts/interweb/freeways/shipping, and etc. is smoking something that ain't tobacco. The same goes for anyone who believes that any official speaking for VW on the record hasn't carefully vetted all speech through legal.

Funny "invisible dick" picture though! Also, sorry the vote went the way it did.

The relationship between companies and their labor force isn't the same in Germany as what we are used to here. In a plant with thousands of workers, having a single union to deal with instead of thousands and thousands of workers is easier especially when the union and the company aren't automatically considered enemies. As someone else mentioned, in Germany a union typically gets a representative on the company board. The resulting stability in labor is a good thing for the company and many of the HR headaches get offloaded onto the union.


Also, having unionized labor exempts them from lots of regulation, including minimum wage laws, even.
 
2014-02-22 03:01:36 PM  

Mugato: Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.

[media.timesfreepress.com image 618x410]


His gay porn name is Cob Borker.
 
2014-02-22 03:19:58 PM  

SilentStrider: Anyone surprised by this?
No?
Good.


This, clearly. Basic GOP strategy - repeat falsehoods until enough folks believe them to be the truth, regardless of the actual truth. If they can convince just one person in 10, it's enough to sow confusion and ensure 10% of any vote.
 
2014-02-22 03:27:53 PM  
Come to Washington State, we are fine with Unions here.
 
2014-02-22 03:30:48 PM  

netringer: captainktainer: tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.

Absolute, utter horsecrap. Further expansion of VW plants in the entire South and other so-called "right to work" states is now extremely unlikely because VW management (half of which is labor) requires that there be a work council at each plant, which in the United States must be done through a union. The unionization was partly management's idea, and now that anti-business Republicans are threatening their business if they run the way they like, Volkswagen is likely not to stay in the South. And your party is actively trying to drive away any company with a unionized workforce.

So, going to reconsider your stupid statement like a human being with an inquisitive mind, or are you going to double down on the derp?

Who would know more about what VW is going to do, Bob Corker - making up a promise from VW - or VW itself saying they never promised a thing?

Corker can keep moving his stroking hand while VW eventually closes the plant in Tennessee.


At which point the Republicans will blame the plant closure on the Unions.

And the idiot right wing asswits that vote for them will believe it.
 
2014-02-22 03:44:34 PM  

Krymson Tyde: IamTomJoad: It would be great to see the gymnastics Corker performs if VW decideds to put the new production in Mexico where the workers are unionized.

This is right in my backyard. We obviously need the jobs here and I hope VW chooses to build the new vehicle in Chattanooga.

I would be dishonest if I didn't admit that a small part of me hopes they build it elsewhere just to help expose the locals to the asshats republicans really are.


I'd love to see VW say 'if Corker gets reelected, we are moving the plant. Union or no union, Democrat or Republican is fine, but no Corker'.

It'll never happen though.

Chattanooga is a beautiful place. I love it down there.
 
2014-02-22 03:56:33 PM  
Sticking to the big lie with great conviction and fury has been working for the republicans for decades. Why would they stop now?
 
2014-02-22 04:10:01 PM  

The Bananadragon: Honestly, if I were VW, I'd start talking to Gov. Deal over in GA about this, as well as the Carolinas, VA, KY, AR, and even LA.


If they were to do that they'd need to keep in mind that it's an election year in Georgia and Deal might not even make it past the primary. While adding jobs would be good for his resume, if they come with a union attached he'll get tea partied out of office. While the odds of the Democrat's candidate Jason Carter getting elected in my estimate is about one in four, it might be worthwhile for VW to wait until after the election to start talking. Not sure what the political conditions are in most of the other southern states but I'm going to guess the Bobby Jindal would on his own be able to scare away VW.
 
2014-02-22 04:14:22 PM  
If I was the CEO of VW I'd say "You know what? Fark the vote results, we're going to give the employees a works council, with all the benefits that entails, because that's just how we do business".
 
2014-02-22 04:23:34 PM  

WhyteRaven74: If I was the CEO of VW I'd say "You know what? Fark the vote results, we're going to give the employees a works council, with all the benefits that entails, because that's just how we do business".


TN state law is biatch like that........
 
2014-02-22 04:31:24 PM  

Mugato: Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.


I was thinking it sounds like a good name for a brand of fishing bobbers
 
2014-02-22 04:36:18 PM  
FormlessOne
This, clearly. Basic GOP strategy - repeat falsehoods until enough folks believe them to be the truth, regardless of the actual truth. If they can convince just one person in 10, it's enough to sow confusion and ensure 10% of any vote.

Oh, it does them better than that, because it's not necessary to convince anyone at all- once there's enough confusion so that people who don't have the luxury of spending hours every day researching the news don't know what to believe, then appear strong and outraged. If people don't know who to vote for based on facts and reality, it comes down to a coin toss. That's 50% right there.
 
2014-02-22 04:49:22 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Mugato: Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.

He's already showing off his bukkake technique in that picture


I thought that he was signing his answer for the deaf community to the question of "Bob, what is your IQ?"

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Bareefer Obonghit: Mugato: Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.

He's already showing off his bukkake technique in that picture

Less about Bob Corker in this thread! More of his daughter!

[www.misterorange.com image 480x452]


Is that douche on the right Bob's "secret" boyfriend, or just a general douche?
 
2014-02-22 04:51:58 PM  

Thrag: If I were in the management of VW I'd be concerned about any expansion in TN solely due to the apparent willingness of the government there to interfere with business and renege on deals for purely political purposes. The State GOP made it perfectly clear they'd back out of existing inventive deals if the vote passed. They've proven that the incentive deals that made VW move to that state in the first place aren't worth the paper they are printed on and the local politicians will tear them up at a whim. That's not a state I'd want to do business in.


I know. While corkers statement was wrong and possibly illegal...I think it was more of an outrage that the tn govt threatened to reneg on existing tax subsidies if they unionized

1 how is that not illegal?
2 what the business is it of the govt how private entities deal with their labor?

That's that laser line focus and you know, less regulation for you.
 
2014-02-22 05:01:22 PM  

tbeatty: Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members.


I thought Detroit is what happens when you have incompetent people running the big 3 automakers in addition to a city government that inserted too much race into local politics?

What do the unions have to do with all of that again?
 
2014-02-22 05:08:37 PM  

SilentStrider: Anyone surprised by this?
No?
Good.


That the UAW wants to keep voting over and over until they get the result they want?

No. Not surprised at all.
 
2014-02-22 05:20:29 PM  
ongbok:
I think VW is going to end up moving this plant, and not to another Southern state, just to avoid this headache. It is pretty clear that their union doesn't want a plant in the south, or any Right to Work states, anymore.

Unless things have changed, "Right to Work" isn't the same as non-union or anti-union. It means that  employees in union-represented shops don't have to pay dues (although the union still represents them). It does not prevent union representation.

/Free Riders, non-dues-payers in a union shop, were the original Liters
 
2014-02-22 05:21:23 PM  

cchris_39: SilentStrider: Anyone surprised by this?
No?
Good.

That the UAW wants to keep voting over and over until they get the result they want?

No. Not surprised at all.


The vote has twice beenbinfkuenced by the government.

Once by threatening to take tax abatements away from vw if they unionized. The second time by spreading a falsehood that jobs would be threatened by unionization.

fark tn politicians, fark them right in the ear with a rusty icepick.
 
2014-02-22 05:22:58 PM  

Great_Milenko: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

No, the workers knew all to well that spiteful, vindictive republicans would do everything in their power to ruin their jobs if they voted for the Union.


THIS^^ They were more concerned that asshole republicans like Corker would do all they could to carry out the wishes of corporations and fark their good jobs up. VW now knows this, and is reconsidering future expansion in southern states because of morons like these.

From the link above: "I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council.
"If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said."


That's right... this is going to cost jobs, and it will be Corker and his corporate masters fault.

s3.amazonaws.com


Proof positive that the rest of the industrialized world isn't as backwards as the United States, and why they rightfully laugh at us... well, some of us.
 
2014-02-22 05:32:28 PM  

Thrag: If I were in the management of VW I'd be concerned about any expansion in TN solely due to the apparent willingness of the government there to interfere with business and renege on deals for purely political purposes. The State GOP made it perfectly clear they'd back out of existing inventive deals if the vote passed. They've proven that the incentive deals that made VW move to that state in the first place aren't worth the paper they are printed on and the local politicians will tear them up at a whim. That's not a state I'd want to do business in.


See also: WI GOP hostility towards wind farms and other renewable energy projects
 
2014-02-22 05:33:17 PM  

Great_Milenko: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

No, the workers knew all to well that spiteful, vindictive republicans would do everything in their power to ruin their jobs if they voted for the Union.


And it was still a pretty damn close vote.
 
2014-02-22 05:34:00 PM  

tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.


Yeah, I'm sure they'd much rather have to deal with meddling public officials who try to steer them and their workers with political threats and interference.
 
2014-02-22 05:39:15 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Thrag: If I were in the management of VW I'd be concerned about any expansion in TN solely due to the apparent willingness of the government there to interfere with business and renege on deals for purely political purposes. The State GOP made it perfectly clear they'd back out of existing inventive deals if the vote passed. They've proven that the incentive deals that made VW move to that state in the first place aren't worth the paper they are printed on and the local politicians will tear them up at a whim. That's not a state I'd want to do business in.

See also: WI GOP hostility towards wind farms and other renewable energy projects


And trains, WI Republicans hate trains.
 
2014-02-22 06:16:34 PM  

tbeatty: Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members.


hahaha

no
 
2014-02-22 06:23:26 PM  

TV's Vinnie: More_Like_A_Stain: The Bananadragon: the South has just shot its chances of joining the 20th century in the foot here by scaring away future manufacturing jobs.

Cue the NRA trumpeting their 2nd Am right to do so.

We may just have to build that long wall after all, but not to keep out the Messikinz but to keep out Southerners.


Would I be allowed to pass through there? I'm a Northerner trapped in the South.
 
2014-02-22 06:40:24 PM  
At this point I honestly hope that VW takes the work down to Mexico. fark the people in Tennessee for being this stupid, but fark the UAW too. Those people in Tennessee do not deserve to have such a good job and representation - take the jobs to Mexico so they can see the stupidity of their decision in stark reality.

You can be anti-union and not be stupid, but when you listen to the anti-union asshole raking in the big bucks from his billionaire backers - well you are just being stupid.
 
2014-02-22 07:41:38 PM  

RanDomino: FormlessOne
This, clearly. Basic GOP strategy - repeat falsehoods until enough folks believe them to be the truth, regardless of the actual truth. If they can convince just one person in 10, it's enough to sow confusion and ensure 10% of any vote.

Oh, it does them better than that, because it's not necessary to convince anyone at all- once there's enough confusion so that people who don't have the luxury of spending hours every day researching the news don't know what to believe, then appear strong and outraged. If people don't know who to vote for based on facts and reality, it comes down to a coin toss. That's 50% right there.


Y'know, I was shooting for optimism today, damn it...
 
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