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(Chattanooga Times Free Press)   Tennessee Senator Bob Corker (R-eally hates unions): doubles down on his lie, despite VW's calling him out on it   (timesfreepress.com) divider line 151
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2014-02-22 09:00:55 AM
Anyone surprised by this?
No?
Good.
 
2014-02-22 09:04:39 AM
FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?
 
2014-02-22 09:10:25 AM

mutterfark: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?


That doesn't count because Obama is guilty of the worst crime imaginable: Presidenting while Black.
 
2014-02-22 09:13:58 AM

Serious Black: mutterfark: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?

That doesn't count because Obama is guilty of the worst crime imaginable: Presidenting while Black.


Don't forget eatin' crackers like he owns the place.
 
2014-02-22 09:50:38 AM
Corker? I hardly knew her.
 
2014-02-22 10:28:29 AM
Christ what an asshole
 
2014-02-22 10:42:00 AM
Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.

media.timesfreepress.com
 
2014-02-22 10:42:08 AM
Labor has the right to determine what color and size of boot it gets to lick! What's wrong with giving the people choices!?!?!
 
2014-02-22 11:02:59 AM
The Germans aren't used to all this union hate.  It sure looks unseemly to me.
 
2014-02-22 11:06:37 AM

Mugato: Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.


He's already showing off his bukkake technique in that picture
 
2014-02-22 11:09:39 AM
prison
 
2014-02-22 11:38:19 AM

Mugato: Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.

[invisiblepenis.jpg]

 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-22 11:51:28 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The Germans aren't used to all this union hate.  It sure looks unseemly to me.


They just need to get used to dealing with third world labor.
 
2014-02-22 12:01:20 PM
FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

No, the workers knew all to well that spiteful, vindictive republicans would do everything in their power to ruin their jobs if they voted for the Union.
 
2014-02-22 12:01:41 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Mugato: Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.

He's already showing off his bukkake technique in that picture


Less about Bob Corker in this thread! More of his daughter!

www.misterorange.com
 
2014-02-22 12:07:40 PM
Republicans went past doubling-down on lies a few decades ago.  They're up to so many multiples-of-down that it has to be expressed in scientific notation.
 
2014-02-22 12:10:11 PM
Laser like focus.
 
2014-02-22 12:19:46 PM

vpb: Marcus Aurelius: The Germans aren't used to all this union hate.  It sure looks unseemly to me.

They just need to get used to dealing with third world labor.


To be honest, I hope VW takes advantage of this opportunity to screw their Tennessean employees.  No reason a German capitalist shouldn't squeeze out a few more Euros when the workers won't even take the opportunity to organize when it's handed to them on a silver platter.
 
2014-02-22 12:19:47 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Mugato: Bob Corker. That's a good gay porn name.

He's already showing off his bukkake technique in that picture


NO! Shut up! I like my gay porn men to be young, good-looking and hairless (body, not head).

/what? Gay porn is hot.
 
2014-02-22 12:21:19 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The Germans aren't used to all this union hate.  It sure looks unseemly to me.


Kind of ironic, since you know what German leader used to really and I mean rrrrrreally hate unions.
 
2014-02-22 12:22:14 PM
Hey, I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed and I'm not seeing an egregious lie from Corker. From this http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/feb/13/bob-corker-defends-suv - remark-after-volkswagen-str/

it sounds like he said VW would decide where to build a new SUV based on the union vote. The plant manager said, "Nope, no correlation between the two at all."

Anyone who believes that VW isn't making decisions about what, where, and how to do anything based on all available data...wages, unions, availability of water/power/parts/interweb/freeways/shipping, and etc. is smoking something that ain't tobacco. The same goes for anyone who believes that any official speaking for VW on the record hasn't carefully vetted all speech through legal.

Funny "invisible dick" picture though! Also, sorry the vote went the way it did.
 
2014-02-22 12:23:36 PM
i.imgur.com
Does he build androids?
 
2014-02-22 12:23:54 PM
In Germany, a union representative must be included in the company's board of directors. It appears that this leads to better labor relations in general.

Too bad the GOP would burn this country to the ground before it would consider something like that.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-22 12:26:26 PM
LadySusan:

Anyone who believes that VW isn't making decisions about what, where, and how to do anything based on all available data...wages, unions, availability of water/power/parts/interweb/freeways/shipping, and etc. is smoking something that ain't tobacco. The same goes for anyone who believes that any official speaking for VW on the record hasn't carefully vetted all speech through legal.

Funny "invisible dick" picture though! Also, sorry the vote went the way it did.


If it was intended to influence the vote then it was a violation of federal labor law.
 
2014-02-22 12:28:35 PM

Pimparoo: Too bad the GOP would burn this country to the ground before it would consider something like that.


You might not have been able to see because of all the smoke, but burning this country to the ground is exactly what they've been doing for some time now.
 
2014-02-22 12:29:47 PM

LadySusan: Hey, I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed and I'm not seeing an egregious lie from Corker. From this http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/feb/13/bob-corker-defends-suv - remark-after-volkswagen-str/

it sounds like he said VW would decide where to build a new SUV based on the union vote. The plant manager said, "Nope, no correlation between the two at all."

Anyone who believes that VW isn't making decisions about what, where, and how to do anything based on all available data...wages, unions, availability of water/power/parts/interweb/freeways/shipping, and etc. is smoking something that ain't tobacco. The same goes for anyone who believes that any official speaking for VW on the record hasn't carefully vetted all speech through legal.

Funny "invisible dick" picture though! Also, sorry the vote went the way it did.


The relationship between companies and their labor force isn't the same in Germany as what we are used to here. In a plant with thousands of workers, having a single union to deal with instead of thousands and thousands of workers is easier especially when the union and the company aren't automatically considered enemies. As someone else mentioned, in Germany a union typically gets a representative on the company board. The resulting stability in labor is a good thing for the company and many of the HR headaches get offloaded onto the union.
 
2014-02-22 12:30:40 PM

LadySusan: Hey, I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed and I'm not seeing an egregious lie from Corker. From this http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/feb/13/bob-corker-defends-suv - remark-after-volkswagen-str/

it sounds like he said VW would decide where to build a new SUV based on the union vote. The plant manager said, "Nope, no correlation between the two at all."

Anyone who believes that VW isn't making decisions about what, where, and how to do anything based on all available data...wages, unions, availability of water/power/parts/interweb/freeways/shipping, and etc. is smoking something that ain't tobacco. The same goes for anyone who believes that any official speaking for VW on the record hasn't carefully vetted all speech through legal.

Funny "invisible dick" picture though! Also, sorry the vote went the way it did.


Plenty of cars are already made by American union labor. Why is it so unthinkable that VW would add one more?

Unions aren't all "cost" to companies--there can be benefits, too.
 
2014-02-22 12:30:50 PM
Ill disclose first that I'm not a fan of unions. I don't think there's any love for the UAW and the vote showed that. But I watched an interview with this guy and he comes across as an insincere blow hard and obviously not that bright. This thing could be over but he just had to use it to get himself associated with it somehow and possibly given an opening for a redo.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-22 12:32:52 PM
Pimparoo:

Plenty of cars are already made by American union labor. Why is it so unthinkable that VW would add one more?

Unions aren't all "cost" to companies--there can be benefits, too.


That's why management was for it.  Germany has solved that problem.  They do just fine with unions.
 
2014-02-22 12:46:16 PM
Why do they need a new election? They already have nearly half of the workforce, more than enough to shut down production by striking, which is the basic source of power of a union. Or at least it would be if anyone remembered how unions got power in the first place.
 
2014-02-22 12:49:03 PM

coffeeplease: Ill disclose first that I'm not a fan of unions. I don't think there's any love for the UAW and the vote showed that. But I watched an interview with this guy and he comes across as an insincere blow hard and obviously not that bright. This thing could be over but he just had to use it to get himself associated with it somehow and possibly given an opening for a redo.


FTA:Workers at the plant voted 712 to 626 to turn back the UAW organizing effort.

There's that number again!  47% of the people at that plant have 'any love for the UAW'.  And apparently the UAW thinks at least 3% of the rest might have been swayed by Corker's lie.
 
2014-02-22 12:53:05 PM
It would be great to see the gymnastics Corker performs if VW decideds to put the new production in Mexico where the workers are unionized.
 
2014-02-22 12:55:56 PM

mutterfark: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?


They "clearly spoke" that they wanted to keep their doctor and their plan.

The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.  Now it's greater than 0.   Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members.  It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?"  Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions.  Now, they are just overhead.
 
2014-02-22 12:58:54 PM

tbeatty: They "clearly spoke" that they wanted to keep their doctor and their plan.


Maybe they should "clearly speak" to the health insurance companies that cancelled their plans or altered their networks.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-22 01:02:58 PM
tbeatty:

The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.  Now it's greater than 0.   Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members.  It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?"  Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions.  Now, they are just overhead.

That's the spin.  Detroit is what happens when you let lobbyists write trade laws.

Garman auto makers are all unionized and they kept their manufacturing sector instead of exporting jobs to China.

Of course, they were fortunate enough to not have Reagan.
 
2014-02-22 01:03:34 PM

LadySusan: Hey, I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed and I'm not seeing an egregious lie from Corker. From this http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/feb/13/bob-corker-defends-suv - remark-after-volkswagen-str/

it sounds like he said VW would decide where to build a new SUV based on the union vote. The plant manager said, "Nope, no correlation between the two at all."

Anyone who believes that VW isn't making decisions about what, where, and how to do anything based on all available data...wages, unions, availability of water/power/parts/interweb/freeways/shipping, and etc. is smoking something that ain't tobacco. The same goes for anyone who believes that any official speaking for VW on the record hasn't carefully vetted all speech through legal.

Funny "invisible dick" picture though! Also, sorry the vote went the way it did.


LazySusan; he specifically claimed that VW was against unions and would "reward" the state with additional vehicle production if they rejected the union vote.

Which is a lie.

tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW. Now it's greater than 0. Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members. It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?" Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions. Now, they are just overhead.


Oooo, that's some quality lying.
 
2014-02-22 01:05:09 PM
He's too busy applying his Big Government solution to their Free Market arrangement with workers and unions.
 
2014-02-22 01:06:49 PM

tbeatty: mutterfark: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?

They "clearly spoke" that they wanted to keep their doctor and their plan.

The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.  Now it's greater than 0.   Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members.  It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?"  Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions.  Now, they are just overhead.


What you are saying would be worth listening to if it didn't directly contradict what VW has said.

You don't want people to think you're a moron because you're a bad troll, you want people to think you're a moron because you're a good troll.
 
2014-02-22 01:10:06 PM
tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW. Now it's greater than 0. Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members. It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?" Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions. Now, they are just overhead.

Oooo, that's some quality lying.


I dunno, that doesn't seem very quality to me. Maybe if we got a union for the trolls, there would be a minimum standard for trolling.
 
2014-02-22 01:13:49 PM

IamTomJoad: It would be great to see the gymnastics Corker performs if VW decideds to put the new production in Mexico where the workers are unionized.


This is right in my backyard. We obviously need the jobs here and I hope VW chooses to build the new vehicle in Chattanooga.

I would be dishonest if I didn't admit that a small part of me hopes they build it elsewhere just to help expose the locals to the asshats republicans really are.
 
2014-02-22 01:15:34 PM

tbeatty: The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.


Absolute, utter horsecrap. Further expansion of VW plants in the entire South and other so-called "right to work" states is now extremely unlikely because VW management (half of which is labor) requires that there be a work council at each plant, which in the United States must be done through a union. The unionization was partly management's idea, and now that anti-business Republicans are threatening their business if they run the way they like, Volkswagen is likely not to stay in the South. And your party is actively trying to drive away any company with a unionized workforce.

So, going to reconsider your stupid statement like a human being with an inquisitive mind, or are you going to double down on the derp?
 
2014-02-22 01:17:37 PM

tbeatty: mutterfark: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?

They "clearly spoke" that they wanted to keep their doctor and their plan.

The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.  Now it's greater than 0.   Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members.  It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?"  Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions.  Now, they are just overhead.


Christ, there's that bullshiat "look what the unions did to Detroit" right-wing talking point. You idiots sound like a bad song played on a scratched 45 rpm record.
 
2014-02-22 01:19:39 PM

tbeatty: Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions.


And the Plutocrat Party is hellbent on repealing that legislation, because job creators.
 
2014-02-22 01:24:14 PM
For allwe know, Corker is telling the truth.  VW may have told him exactly what he claims they said.  But VW was smart enough to know that making that statement public would open them to charges that they were trying to illegally influence the vote.  So they tell Corker knowing he wouldn't be able to keep his mouth shut and thus would do VW's dirty work for them.  And they get deniability.
 
2014-02-22 01:27:40 PM

vpb: LadySusan:

Anyone who believes that VW isn't making decisions about what, where, and how to do anything based on all available data...wages, unions, availability of water/power/parts/interweb/freeways/shipping, and etc. is smoking something that ain't tobacco. The same goes for anyone who believes that any official speaking for VW on the record hasn't carefully vetted all speech through legal.

Funny "invisible dick" picture though! Also, sorry the vote went the way it did.

If it was intended to influence the vote then it was a violation of federal labor law.


Mr. Dragon and I were talking about that last night, actually. It sounds like the NLRB -might- actually not be able to do anything about this case, because all their laws and violations are set up on the premise that the "meddler" is the employer, not some outsider asshat with no actual stake. If VW had interfered or threatened reprisal, yeah, the NLRB would already be winding up to throw the book at them. But they didn't. It'll be interesting to see what they do with this appeal.

Mr. Dragon's opinion on the whole thing was basically "the governor is someone I find morally reprehensible, but he at least - if he's a smart politician - can fall back on 'listen, i was elected by my constituency to uphold their best interests and they are very firmly right-to-work, so giving you incentives to build a union shop here is against the call i was elected to answer'. He is within his rights to suggest repercussions. Corker, though, is a meddling asshat who deserves to be smacked down hard for this." (I agree, but he said it way better than I did.)

Honestly, if I were VW, I'd start talking to Gov. Deal over in GA about this, as well as the Carolinas, VA, KY, AR, and even LA. Tell them you aren't appreciative of the anti-business atmosphere in TN and are looking for a new home for a rather impressive plant. (VW adds $12B to Tennessee's GDP, pays 1.4BN in annual taxes, injected almost another billion in plant-construction contracts and supplying dealerships with cars, and employs like 3000 people.) Make it clear that you're looking to move specifically because of the government meddling in the affairs of your worker/corporate relationship and you aren't gonna go anywhere if it happens again. GA would be especially lucrative because Dalton is only 30 minutes from Chattanooga, so you could basically keep your workforce intact - but offer your existing workers the chance to move, and pay for their relocation, because the workers shouldn't have to pay the price for this.

/i am not VW
//nor am i Spartacus
///i've got a few slashies though
/did I say Corker's an asshat? because he totally is
 
2014-02-22 01:28:23 PM

tbeatty: mutterfark: FTA: He said that workers "clearly spoke" last week during the vote in which VW workers rejected the United Auto Workers bid to organize the plant, and he expressed disappointment the UAW is "ignoring their decision" by filing an objection.

So I guess he will acknowledge that a majority of American voters "clearly spoke" with regards to Pres. Obama and the ACA, and urge his fellow Republicans to stop their objections?

They "clearly spoke" that they wanted to keep their doctor and their plan.

The chance of VW expanding in Tenn was 0% if they approved UAW.  Now it's greater than 0.   Detroit is what happens when a union puts itself ahead of their members.  It now comes down to: "Do I want a union or do I want a job?"  Organized labor did a number of great things including creating legislation at the federal level that oversees all labor conditions.  Now, they are just overhead.


stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2014-02-22 01:31:49 PM

The Bananadragon: Honestly, if I were VW, I'd start talking to Gov. Deal over in GA about this, as well as the Carolinas, VA, KY, AR, and even LA. Tell them you aren't appreciative of the anti-business atmosphere in TN and are looking for a new home for a rather impressive plant. (VW adds $12B to Tennessee's GDP, pays 1.4BN in annual taxes, injected almost another billion in plant-construction contracts and supplying dealerships with cars, and employs like 3000 people.) Make it clear that you're looking to move specifically because of the government meddling in the affairs of your worker/corporate relationship and you aren't gonna go anywhere if it happens again. GA would be especially lucrative because Dalton is only 30 minutes from Chattanooga, so you could basically keep your workforce intact - but offer your existing workers the chance to move, and pay for their relocation, because the workers shouldn't have to pay the price for this.


No, I think VW's retaliation would be to make that SUV in Mexico, despite any incentives for "turning away the union".

/Has no one mentioned that VW was a joint filer in that appeal?
//They want this union.
 
2014-02-22 01:35:13 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Republicans went past doubling-down on lies a few decades ago.  They're up to so many multiples-of-down that it has to be expressed in scientific notation.


I was teaching fallacies the other day, and two textbook examples, literally, are talking points of the republican party.
 
2014-02-22 01:37:51 PM

MisterEZ: Pimparoo: Too bad the GOP would burn this country to the ground before it would consider something like that.

You might not have been able to see because of all the smoke, but burning this country to the ground is exactly what they've been doing for some time now.


And to think this all started with Ronald Reagan, whom everyone voted for in 1980 because everyone was having ROID RAGE over the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Little did these cretins know that while they were voting for Ronnie so he could smash the Iranians, he was conspiring with the Ayatollah to keep those hostages until after the election, with a secret shipment of military missiles as tribute afterward.

And THEN use that money to help sponsor Latin American Death Squads.

Just evil evil evil from A to Z! That's the GOP.
 
2014-02-22 01:41:00 PM

runwiz: For allwe know, Corker is telling the truth.  VW may have told him exactly what he claims they said.  But VW was smart enough to know that making that statement public would open them to charges that they were trying to illegally influence the vote.  So they tell Corker knowing he wouldn't be able to keep his mouth shut and thus would do VW's dirty work for them.  And they get deniability.


Somehow, I don't buy into the "everyone is lying but the politician" argument.
 
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