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(The Raw Story)   Good: GA Republican introduces bill to enhance personal freedom Umm: by removing restrictions on convicted sex offenders hanging out near schools. Priceless cop reaction: " I have never heard of such an insane law having been introduced"   (rawstory.com) divider line 62
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2014-02-21 04:06:54 PM  
hahaha...funny Onion story.

Click.

WTF
 
2014-02-21 04:23:00 PM  
Good, it's a stupid and needlessly punitive law that greatly inhibits the ability of citizens to lead a normal life
 
2014-02-21 04:23:02 PM  
Such an extreme position that someone isn't necessarily a criminal forever if they've been a criminal once.
 
2014-02-21 04:23:53 PM  
I never thought the "good ole days" would be when Republicans hid their pro child rape stance.

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2014-02-21 04:25:35 PM  
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2014-02-21 04:27:29 PM  
Is this legislator a Patrick Henry Alum?

What these children need to ask themselves is, "Did you do anything to tempt the pedophile predator?"
 
2014-02-21 04:30:22 PM  
Well at least the Sheriff didn't say " what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "

and while I am no fan of punishing people after they have done their time, a law prohibiting convicted pedophiles of hanging out where children are isn't the worst thing I've ever hear of.  Recidivism rates on that crime are off the charts high, (some psychs who work with them have told me they think one say Pedophilia will one day  be diagnosed as being an organic brain disorder closely related to OCD)
 
2014-02-21 04:32:38 PM  
It is sad how easy it is for humans to hyperfocus on something and make judgments based on losing mental context. So much fundamentalism is caused by attempts at localized deduction.
 
2014-02-21 04:32:48 PM  

ikanreed: Such an extreme position that someone isn't necessarily a criminal forever if they've been a criminal once.


That and the fact a lot of folks on these registers aren't there because of crimes relating to children in any way.
 
2014-02-21 04:33:02 PM  
Im really not trolling here, but I kind of agree with this guy. Someone who has served their sentence and probation and not re-offended should be able to go to a park or a swimming pool. WTF? Can they not go to the beach or the mall?

/Whats next, they cant expose themselves in College Libraries
anymore ?
 
2014-02-21 04:33:48 PM  
Sounds like he is applying the same logic that they have towards gun laws to other laws. Since the various laws against sex crimes do not stop all sex crimes 100% because criminals do not follow the law, the various laws against sex crimes are useless; and unnecessary government regulation or something.
 
2014-02-21 04:34:29 PM  
So, Moore wants to cut sex offenders loose once they've done their time? In general, I think that's a laudable goal, especially  in regard to the "got caught peeing behind a bar" crowd, but for the hardcore child-rapey kind, I'd keep a close eye on them and definitely keep them away from kids.

The Sheriff, OTOH, seems to be advocating for the right to stop and ID any citizen, at any time, for any or no reason.

Two sources of derp meeting in the middle.
 
2014-02-21 04:34:37 PM  

Magorn: Well at least the Sheriff didn't say " what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "

and while I am no fan of punishing people after they have done their time, a law prohibiting convicted pedophiles of hanging out where children are isn't the worst thing I've ever hear of.  Recidivism rates on that crime are off the charts high, (some psychs who work with them have told me they think one say Pedophilia will one day  be diagnosed as being an organic brain disorder closely related to OCD)


The real problem is when you make it so sex offenders can't live or work within a 1000 feet of a school, daycare, park, etc. and then look at the average city's dispersal of those locations, they can't live anywhere  or get a job.  So instead you get a bunch of homeless unemployed sex offenders living under bridges that have nothing to lose.  That's not exactly a good situation.
 
2014-02-21 04:34:53 PM  

Magorn: a law prohibiting convicted pedophiles of hanging out where children are isn't the worst thing I've ever hear of.


If it were that limited, it might be easier to support the current law. But, as written, it is not limited to pedophiles or even rapists
 
2014-02-21 04:36:25 PM  

buckler: So, Moore wants to cut sex offenders loose once they've done their time? In general, I think that's a laudable goal, especially  in regard to the "got caught peeing behind a bar" crowd, but for the hardcore child-rapey kind, I'd keep a close eye on them and definitely keep them away from kids.

The Sheriff, OTOH, seems to be advocating for the right to stop and ID any citizen, at any time, for any or no reason.

Two sources of derp meeting in the middle.


Why let the hardcore ones out of prison if they are still threats to society? Are your children in more danger from pedos in a school environment or wandering around a grocery store?
 
2014-02-21 04:37:25 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: The real problem is when you make it so sex offenders can't live or work within a 1000 feet of a school, daycare, park, etc. and then look at the average city's dispersal of those locations, they can't live anywhere or get a job. So instead you get a bunch of homeless unemployed sex offenders living under bridges that have nothing to lose. That's not exactly a good situation.


And that's exactly why we can't run a country on intuition.
 
2014-02-21 04:39:13 PM  
Since it's Georgia, I would have thought the solution would be to close all the schools.
 
2014-02-21 04:41:42 PM  
sign_of_Zeta:

The real problem is when you make it so sex offenders can't live or work within a 1000 feet of a school, daycare, park, etc. and then look at the average city's dispersal of those locations, they can't live anywhere  or get a job.  So instead you get a bunch of homeless unemployed sex offenders living under bridges that have nothing to lose.

Who also probably can't leave the State either as they'll be in violation of their parole...
 
2014-02-21 04:43:25 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: The real problem is when you make it so sex offenders can't live or work within a 1000 feet of a school, daycare, park, etc. and then look at the average city's dispersal of those locations, they can't live anywhere  or get a job.


Have you tried using a map?
 
2014-02-21 04:43:40 PM  

Lost Thought 00: buckler: So, Moore wants to cut sex offenders loose once they've done their time? In general, I think that's a laudable goal, especially  in regard to the "got caught peeing behind a bar" crowd, but for the hardcore child-rapey kind, I'd keep a close eye on them and definitely keep them away from kids.

The Sheriff, OTOH, seems to be advocating for the right to stop and ID any citizen, at any time, for any or no reason.

Two sources of derp meeting in the middle.

Why let the hardcore ones out of prison if they are still threats to society? Are your children in more danger from pedos in a school environment or wandering around a grocery store?


In the same way trailer parks seem to attract tornados the school environment seems to attract gun nuts. If so, then it follows that the school environment would place a child in danger of gun wielding pedos.
 
2014-02-21 04:44:29 PM  

DeltaPunch: sign_of_Zeta: The real problem is when you make it so sex offenders can't live or work within a 1000 feet of a school, daycare, park, etc. and then look at the average city's dispersal of those locations, they can't live anywhere  or get a job.

Have you tried using a map?


... aaaand this was supposed to be attached. Daggnit!

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2014-02-21 04:45:16 PM  
I'm okay with keeping high-risk sex offenders away from schools and parks and other places where children congregate, but not making the exclusion zones so vast that the entire city becomes effectively off limits, as California has done.
 
2014-02-21 04:45:41 PM  

ikanreed: Such an extreme position that someone isn't necessarily a criminal forever if they've been a criminal once.


Georgia Rpublicans know that's only true if you're brown.
 
2014-02-21 04:46:17 PM  
Seems the pedophile lobby found their first customer.
 
2014-02-21 04:46:28 PM  

FTA:

The reason I'm OK with that is the assumption is they have done their time. If they're still a danger to society, they should not be free.



He is exactly correct. If these people are so dangerous, then why are they not in jail?

Is there any evidence anywhere that these restrictions and registries actually do anything worthwhile?
 
2014-02-21 04:48:23 PM  
In America, anything with "sex" attached or related to it is bad and is exactly the same as anything else with "sex" attached or related to it. So  "sex offender" is the same thing as a "predatory prepubescent child rapist." A criminal convicted of date rape is therefore no different from a someone who uses Craigslist to stalk and forcibly rape adult women who is no different from an 18 year old who has sex with his 16 year old girlfriend who is no different from Uncle Dave who repeatedly molests a toddler of the course of years and years.
 
2014-02-21 04:50:43 PM  
Not all sex offenders rape children. Some rape adults. Some are statutory rapists. Some are just *really* kinky.

It doesn't make any sense to keep all sex offenders away from playgrounds.

Not only that, your kid is most likely to be abused by a family member or friend of the family, not a stranger in a park.
 
2014-02-21 04:52:24 PM  
They could probably start by first redefining sexual offender.  Big difference between an adult that preys on kids and some 18 year old sent up the river for sleeping with his 16 year old highschool sweetheart.

I'd think that an if individual was clinically labeled a pedophile, keeping them away from children would be a no-brainer so restricting them from public spaces that were child oriented should remain in place.

Someone having done time for a one time offense of exposing himself to other adults in a drunken rage- restricting them from kid's places?  Probably not such a necessity.
 
2014-02-21 04:52:26 PM  
...I hope this is more a case of both sides not hearing the other. Otherwise this is a case of "the CONSTITUTION!!!!" being rebutted with "but safety". At least the pretense is gone, we don't even have to pretend now, and that's a step in the right direction.

You'll have to forgive me for not taking the word of a law enforcement official about why taking away his current power is "insane" as a good measure of public policy, either.
 
2014-02-21 04:54:34 PM  

Magorn: Well at least the Sheriff didn't say " what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "

and while I am no fan of punishing people after they have done their time, a law prohibiting convicted pedophiles of hanging out where children are isn't the worst thing I've ever hear of.  Recidivism rates on that crime are off the charts high, (some psychs who work with them have told me they think one say Pedophilia will one day  be diagnosed as being an organic brain disorder closely related to OCD)


You do realize that not all sex offenders are child molesters, don't you?
 
2014-02-21 05:07:33 PM  

Chuck Wagon: FTA:
The reason I'm OK with that is the assumption is they have done their time. If they're still a danger to society, they should not be free.

He is exactly correct. If these people are so dangerous, then why are they not in jail?

Is there any evidence anywhere that these restrictions and registries actually do anything worthwhile?


Probably not, it seems a bit silly. At the same time, our prisons aren't typically set up for "rehabilitation", so it's doubtful that one would get "better" merely by spending time in a cage.  We don't have a valid system that can accurately predict if someone is better, hence all the repeat offenders.
 
2014-02-21 05:10:16 PM  
They are either a danger to society and belong in jail, or they are rehabilitated and ready to join the general population having served their time.
 
2014-02-21 05:15:52 PM  

tira: ...I hope this is more a case of both sides not hearing the other. Otherwise this is a case of "the CONSTITUTION!!!!" being rebutted with "but safety". At least the pretense is gone, we don't even have to pretend now, and that's a step in the right direction.

You'll have to forgive me for not taking the word of a law enforcement official about why taking away his current power is "insane" as a good measure of public policy, either.


That and if he is so worried about child molesters as he says, wouldn't it make more sense to keep them in jail than to stop and frisk everyone within a 100m radius of a child?
 
2014-02-21 05:19:21 PM  
I hate to say it, but I actually agree with an element of his logic (not the conclusion he reached, though). The way in which sex offenders are labeled and treated after they have paid their debt to society is distinctly unhelpful if the long term goal is, in fact, to rehabilitate these people so that they are no longer dangers to society.

That being said, reasonable restrictions on where they're allowed to live and be around do make sense and provide for better peace of mind in communities. I do think that many of the limitations are excessively punitive and designed to make it impossible for offenders to live in many cities, which further limits their ability to find a place to live, a place to work, and a way to create a stable life. The current system gives you masses of offenders bunched together in the only places they can legally fit, which also makes it very difficult to keep track of their addresses and phone numbers.

Continued monitoring is important, but being exceedingly punitive out of a sense of moral righteousness is ultimately counter-productive in the long run.

/tl;dr I'm not pro-pedo, but don't set offenders free and then make their lives a hellish nightmare to even reach basic functionality in society so they wind up re-offending or breaking other laws
 
2014-02-21 05:25:31 PM  
Judging by their past naming strategies, I'm guessing that the Republicans will call it the "Think Of The Children" act.
 
2014-02-21 05:26:28 PM  

vernonFL: Im really not trolling here, but I kind of agree with this guy. Someone who has served their sentence and probation and not re-offended should be able to go to a park or a swimming pool. WTF? Can they not go to the beach or the mall?

/Whats next, they cant expose themselves in College Libraries
anymore ?


Would a prison sentence for an act of homosexuality make the convicted go straight?

The problem with sexual predators is that they are wired for that sort of thing.  Sure they've done their time for the offense that they were convicted of but this does not mean the desire to repeat the offense has been cured.  At best, they could repress the desire through therapy and drug treatment, but the need will always be there.

No offense intended toward the gay community, as I was using the comparison to illustrate that "one's sexual nature" is part of who they are as opposed to an act of free will that could be shut down through the use of punishment.
 
2014-02-21 05:29:10 PM  
Do away with the list as well, or add all criminals so people can get a real picture of who they are surrounded by.  That will scare the shiat out of a few people, but others will realize that criminals can get better if the system isn't rigged to ensure they fail again and again at becoming normal.  Why the hell do these people single out sex offenders when there is so much worse out there that can be done to you?
 
2014-02-21 05:40:21 PM  

Strolpol: I hate to say it, but I actually agree with an element of his logic (not the conclusion he reached, though). The way in which sex offenders are labeled and treated after they have paid their debt to society is distinctly unhelpful if the long term goal is, in fact, to rehabilitate these people so that they are no longer dangers to society.

That being said, reasonable restrictions on where they're allowed to live and be around do make sense and provide for better peace of mind in communities. I do think that many of the limitations are excessively punitive and designed to make it impossible for offenders to live in many cities, which further limits their ability to find a place to live, a place to work, and a way to create a stable life. The current system gives you masses of offenders bunched together in the only places they can legally fit, which also makes it very difficult to keep track of their addresses and phone numbers.

Continued monitoring is important, but being exceedingly punitive out of a sense of moral righteousness is ultimately counter-productive in the long run.

/tl;dr I'm not pro-pedo, but don't set offenders free and then make their lives a hellish nightmare to even reach basic functionality in society so they wind up re-offending or breaking other laws


Can a serial predator be rehabilitated, though?  I can see where a released "over zealous drunk date" may indeed prove to be rehabilitated and should pose a minimal threat to society.  Without having to rehash the research, I believe that even predators themselves, have admitted that the desire to carry on their old ways never goes away.  In extreme circumstances, some have even requested to remain in prison out of fear that they would not be able to govern their desires once out.
 
2014-02-21 05:49:15 PM  

clowncar on fire: Strolpol: I hate to say it, but I actually agree with an element of his logic (not the conclusion he reached, though). The way in which sex offenders are labeled and treated after they have paid their debt to society is distinctly unhelpful if the long term goal is, in fact, to rehabilitate these people so that they are no longer dangers to society.

That being said, reasonable restrictions on where they're allowed to live and be around do make sense and provide for better Peace of Mind in communities. I do think that many of the limitations are excessively punitive and designed to make it impossible for offenders to live in many cities, which further limits their ability to find a place to live, a place to work, and a way to create a stable life. The current system gives you masses of offenders bunched together in the only places they can legally fit, which also makes it very difficult to keep track of their addresses and phone numbers.

Continued monitoring is important, but being exceedingly punitive out of a sense of moral righteousness is ultimately counter-productive in the long run.

/tl;dr I'm not pro-pedo, but don't set offenders free and then make their lives a hellish nightmare to even reach basic functionality in society so they wind up re-offending or breaking other laws

Can a serial predator be rehabilitated, though?  I can see where a released "over zealous drunk date" may indeed prove to be rehabilitated and should pose a minimal threat to society.  Without having to rehash the research, I believe that even predators themselves, have admitted that the desire to carry on their old ways never goes away.  In extreme circumstances, some have even requested to remain in prison out of fear that they would not be able to govern their desires once out.


I would say that sex offenses should qualify for a three-strikes rule (which I personally think is dumb for regular crimes, but pretty definitive for calling someone a serial sex offender) before mandatory life commitment/imprisonment.

In any case, it's okay if the urges never go completely away. Psychology and medical science can't completely alter brain structure. If a person feels themselves as too much of a danger society, do they not have the right to commit themselves to a mental institution?

If our justice system was actually interested in the purpose of rehabilitation and reduction of crime rates (instead of funding the for-profit prison industrial complex), then we would be spending our money on mental health initiatives instead of SWAT teams for Bumblefark, Idaho.
 
2014-02-21 05:52:56 PM  
He's probably being blackmailed by someone molesting his kids.
 
2014-02-21 05:59:24 PM  

bloobeary: Judging by their past naming strategies, I'm guessing that the Republicans will call it the "Think Of The Children" act.


This is the exact opposite of the "think of the children" excuse. "Think of the children" was how all this crap was passed to begin with.

Do try and keep up.
 
2014-02-21 06:01:01 PM  

clowncar on fire: vernonFL: Im really not trolling here, but I kind of agree with this guy. Someone who has served their sentence and probation and not re-offended should be able to go to a park or a swimming pool. WTF? Can they not go to the beach or the mall?

/Whats next, they cant expose themselves in College Libraries
anymore ?

Would a prison sentence for an act of homosexuality make the convicted go straight?

The problem with sexual predators is that they are wired for that sort of thing.  Sure they've done their time for the offense that they were convicted of but this does not mean the desire to repeat the offense has been cured.  At best, they could repress the desire through therapy and drug treatment, but the need will always be there.

No offense intended toward the gay community, as I was using the comparison to illustrate that "one's sexual nature" is part of who they are as opposed to an act of free will that could be shut down through the use of punishment.


It's a good point. Had these laws been on the books 30 years ago homosexuals would have been treated as sex offenders.
 
2014-02-21 06:21:01 PM  
This is an outrage.  What kind of world do we live in where somebody who drunkenly urinated in an alley during his 20s (excluding me of course; only those lowly maggots who got caught urinating in an alley) might be allowed within 5 miles of my precious snowflakes?
 
2014-02-21 06:29:53 PM  

buckler: So, Moore wants to cut sex offenders loose once they've done their time? In general, I think that's a laudable goal, especially  in regard to the "got caught peeing behind a bar" crowd, but for the hardcore child-rapey kind, I'd keep a close eye on them and definitely keep them away from kids.

The Sheriff, OTOH, seems to be advocating for the right to stop and ID any citizen, at any time, for any or no reason.

Two sources of derp meeting in the middle.


The hard core child rapy kind shouldn't be allowed out of prison in the first place
 
2014-02-21 06:59:40 PM  
We aren't going to ban a 39 year old who had consensual sex with his 36 year old wife 20 years ago from picking up his kids from school?

Won't someone please think of the children?
 
2014-02-21 07:11:01 PM  

Magorn: Well at least the Sheriff didn't say " what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "

and while I am no fan of punishing people after they have done their time, a law prohibiting convicted pedophiles of hanging out where children are isn't the worst thing I've ever hear of.  Recidivism rates on that crime are off the charts high, (some psychs who work with them have told me they think one say Pedophilia will one day  be diagnosed as being an organic brain disorder closely related to OCD)


You realize that not all sex offenders are child molesters, right.
 
2014-02-21 07:55:16 PM  

jjorsett: I'm okay with keeping high-risk sex offenders away from schools and parks and other places where children congregate, but not making the exclusion zones so vast that the entire city becomes effectively off limits, as California has done.


From the Megan's Law website.  San Jose, CA.  All the blue dots are registered sex offenders.  The offenses run the gamut from child porn possession, rape, incest, you name it.  Where the blue dots tend to congregate is a little "rough", while the gaping hold in the middle with no dots is pretty wealthy, with lots of schools.  Regardless, none of these places is exactly under a bridge.

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"OK MOM!  I'M GOING FOR A WALK!"

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2014-02-21 08:00:54 PM  
"Moore said that the risk of recidivism is outweighed by the increase in freedom."

How many sexually assaulted children equals one unit of freedom?
 
2014-02-21 08:11:44 PM  

Nature Spirals: "Moore said that the risk of recidivism is outweighed by the increase in freedom."

How many sexually assaulted children equals one unit of freedom?


Considering that most children are molested by a family member or trusted family friend, the point is moot.
 
2014-02-21 08:31:43 PM  
what the f*ck is the benefit of this?  that Rep is insane.
 
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