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2014-02-21 10:31:25 PM  

RedVentrue: studebaker hoch: Spatial correlation wouldn't be a problem because time and space are linked.

People only think it's a problem because they're looking from the wrong coordinate system.

If you time travel back to 1930's Boston, you'll be in Boston, not space.  You would also have no idea you had time-traveled to get there.

Umm... Bostons IS in space, and so are you, and so am I.


"Yes, but, Boston is in a "special" space, (wink) right?"
"Go along with him, he's from Boston.  Plus, he probably thinks it is 1930, because he doesn't know how to work the calendar."
 
2014-02-21 10:46:58 PM  
You don't need to kill Hitler.

Just one of his parents.

Problem solved.
 
2014-02-21 10:58:14 PM  

DubtodaIll: It does make sense though, you kill Hitler (before he comes to power) and America doesn't have the Baby Boom.


We also probably don't have the huge economic boom of the 50s, since the money that the government spent on the war effort created the huge investment in the machinery and capital that powered industry for generations (as well as providing jobs).  Who knows how long the depression would have went on?  It may also have tamped down the women's rights movement with no more Rosie the Riveter to give women a taste of financial independence.  There would have been no martial plan, either, which put Germany on course to be the economic powerhouse for the EU that they are today.  There is literally no end to the gigantic ripple effects such a thing would have; it may well make the world's power structure look unrecognizable compared to today, and maybe not for the better.
 
2014-02-21 11:01:52 PM  
img.fark.net

Looks like Nicholas Cage has already done it.
 
2014-02-21 11:11:59 PM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: lennavan: No, I'd probably spend some time trying to identify the key players in continuing various religions and stopping them in some manner.  Religion is the basis for pretty much all of the bad things in our world.

Of course, without all of the killing in the name of religion, we'd have overpopulation issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

here is what you were looking for


I think you could accomplish it just by whacking Saul Paulus of Tarsus.  Without Paul, I don't think Christianity survives the first century.
 
2014-02-21 11:12:53 PM  
Al!

I bring to you as a counterpoint the fact that you are currently travelling through both space and time. Whether sitting still or running at your fastest sprint, you can never overcome the inertia imparted to you by the great travelling spaceship we call Earth. Also, as you travel through space, you are travelling ever forward in time, unable to stop it even if you wanted. This seems to bring your position into serious question, as I remember a lot of things, and I am travelling through time.

And you didn't notice any jumps or discontinuities, did you?

We could get philosophical and question my memories' validity, but if that is the case I could argue that I am in fact having this discussion with myself, thus the point I take needs not be plausible, or even coherent.

I agree with everything you're saying.  You're travelling time, indeed.

And you can't tell.
 
2014-02-21 11:13:08 PM  

lindalouwho: Lee Harvey Oswald

/strolls away whistling


That was the premise of Stephen King's recent book 11/22/63. Fun read, interesting take on the premise.
 
2014-02-21 11:17:03 PM  
In Dan Carlin's recent (October?) Hardcore History podcast about the beginning of World War I, he argues that Gavrilo Princip is the most important man in the last 100 years, and he makes a very solid case. The world's a whole lot different if Princip doesn't kill an Austrian archduke and his wife.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip
 
2014-02-21 11:19:17 PM  

Vitamin Pb: ArcadianRefugee: RoxtarRyan: ArcadianRefugee: Nonsense. There are far crueler men in history. Like the asshole who invented the tie. First trip I make, I'm gonna choke him to death with his prototype.

I wouldn't. Having a woman straddle you while gently pulling on your tie to get you even closer it quite hot.

Fine, so sell it as a sex toy no goddamned reason I should have to wear one to "look professional". I mean, who the fark came up with the idea that a noose makes you look professional?

It's there to hide the buttons on your shirt because you don't want your shirt to button up the back they way they used to. It's the descendant of the cravat.


Hurm.... I have no problem with buttons.

The tie is also very useful because it can be constructed to hide an actual strangling cord. And believe me, those can come in handy when the audit suddenly turns south.

Go on....
 
2014-02-21 11:21:20 PM  

BravadoGT: I'd go to the 16th century and give Nostradamus a glimpse into the future...

or did I?


Try it again and make sure he pays attention this time.
 
2014-02-21 11:32:45 PM  

fusillade762: BravadoGT: I'd go to the 16th century and give Nostradamus a glimpse into the future...

or did I?

Try it again and make sure he pays attention this time.


He did but since he spent that afternoon listening to a time traveler instead of going on a carriage ride his driver was able to get enough time with a maid to create a son. The resulting butterfly effect is why all his predictions are off.
 
2014-02-21 11:57:30 PM  

Spanky McStupid: [img.fark.net image 261x193]

Looks like Nicholas Cage has already done it.


celebrities.ninemsn.com.au

Jay-Z, too.
 
2014-02-22 12:14:45 AM  
What a stupid farming story. These guys have obviously read a grand total of like 3 Sci-fi stories... If any time travel stories actually even consider killing Hitler, then they deal with the cons that would result, or time's perceived defense mechanism to right itself.

I've read a lot of sci-fi over the years, and I don't know that I've ever read one that was actually "pro" kill Hitler.

It seems that they're cranking out a lot of these uninformed Sci-fi bits lately, they just had the one earlier this week about all of the "mistakes" they make with alien planets, and then didn't name and planets created by actual credible Sci-fi authors.

I wish I had the journalism 'story generation' dartboard. Sounds like a great way to earn a living without knowing shiat.
 
2014-02-22 12:34:28 AM  

The Southern Dandy: Look. I've been thinking about this.  Nobody will ever time travel (in a significant way). If they had, we would already know.


or multiple universes exist and we're in a universe that has absolutely no time travel what so ever.
 
2014-02-22 01:20:58 AM  

Flragnararch: The Southern Dandy: Look. I've been thinking about this.  Nobody will ever time travel (in a significant way). If they had, we would already know.

or multiple universes exist and we're in a universe that has absolutely no time travel what so ever.


Or time travel is what creates the multiple universes.
 
2014-02-22 02:02:24 AM  

drumhellar: [www.smbc-comics.com image 361x1500]
From SMBC


If Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter got made...

Why not, Adolf Hitler, Time Travel Ninja.
 
2014-02-22 02:15:24 AM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: drumhellar: [www.smbc-comics.com image 361x1500]
From SMBC

If Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter got made...

Why not, Adolf Hitler, Time Travel Ninja.


Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter was a book, so it was an existing franchise, of sorts...

But, thanks to this comic, I guess Adolf Hitler: Time Travel Ninja is now an existing franchise. Maybe it will get made.
 
2014-02-22 02:22:53 AM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: I'd give guns and electricity to Rome


Better complete world maps, Japanese sword making and naval chronometers, compasses sextants and frigate ship plans for the constitution. As well as gunpowder. I would give all if this to Octavian Cesar.
 
2014-02-22 03:06:25 AM  

TomD9938: his window for plowing my grandma


Jeez, I don't know about you, but there's just some things I don't like to think about, even if my existence depended on it.

On the other hand, "Plowing Grandma" would be a good name for a swing band.
 
2014-02-22 03:26:26 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: You assume too much about time travel. One theory posits that time travel is like a tunnel and, like any tunnel, you can only go as far as it extends. If, say, the tunnel were collapsed in the middle, you could only travel to that point.

Thus, whatever machine you use to time travel only permits travel from whenever you are to as far back as whenever it was turned on.


If you haven't seen it, I recommend you (and anyone else interested in this take on time travel) watch Primer.  Great movie.
 
2014-02-22 03:36:18 AM  
I'm content with traveling slightly slower through time at night and slightly quicker during the day... though the perception is somewhat the opposite.
 
2014-02-22 09:29:40 AM  

Mikey1969: What a stupid farming story. These guys have obviously read a grand total of like 3 Sci-fi stories... If any time travel stories actually even consider killing Hitler, then they deal with the cons that would result, or time's perceived defense mechanism to right itself.

I've read a lot of sci-fi over the years, and I don't know that I've ever read one that was actually "pro" kill Hitler.

It seems that they're cranking out a lot of these uninformed Sci-fi bits lately, they just had the one earlier this week about all of the "mistakes" they make with alien planets, and then didn't name and planets created by actual credible Sci-fi authors.

I wish I had the journalism 'story generation' dartboard. Sounds like a great way to earn a living without knowing shiat.


I know a fellow who wrote a good book for you to read about how journalists pass off crap as news
 
2014-02-22 10:21:18 AM  
Anyone else remember John Titor?
 
2014-02-22 10:52:38 AM  

ransack.: Anyone else remember John Titor?


Not yet, but soon.
 
2014-02-22 12:28:12 PM  

uber humper: Spanky McStupid: [img.fark.net image 261x193]

Looks like Nicholas Cage has already done it.



Jay-Z, too.


I wish there was a whole web site just chronicling this, this is great
 
2014-02-22 04:53:43 PM  
I didn't read through all of the comments, but I guess the problem of time travel without space travel has been mentioned.

The solution is quite simple (as a concept, not from an engineering viewpoint of course). Turn a spaceship into a time machine. You can probably spend a lifetime jumping around space-time and never bump into anything else than the vacuum of space. We've been able to build space-ships that can withstand this vacuum and sustain human life for half a century. They'll have gotten better, faster, stronger by the time we've mastered time travel.

Assume you can either use space travel mode or time travel mode.

If you're making small jumps (days? weeks? months? maybe years?) you'll end up relatively near the solar system and may be able to travel back/forward to the desired location. It depends on your maximum speed if this is desirable. If you jump back a week and take a day to cover the resulting space trip, just jump back eight days and a sliver to arrive exactly a week earlier. If you jump back a week and take two weeks to cover the trip, you've used up two weeks of your resources (fuel, food, but also your own body) to obtain the same result you would have by staying put for a week. This could still have useful applications though. School paper due next week and you still have two weeks of work on it? You'll die in 24 hours and it takes 30 hours to synthesize the cure? (It would take 48 hours in a movie, and be administered in the nick of time. Perhaps with a dramatic countdown in glowing red digits.) All the while, you'd be close to temporal 'home' and be able to return there. In the case of sporadic short trips, a return journey might not even be necessary. You'll die 'sooner' by living those days twice, but other life extension techniques might cover for that.

For long jumps (thousands? millions of years?) you'll just end up somewhere. Most of the time it'll probably be a very boring place. Once in a while, you might have an adventure. A very precise navigation log (spatial and temporal) would be necessary if you want to be able to reverse course and get back home. You'll either it need to make every part of the voyage exactly the opposite way, or to calculate a return journey in fewer longer time jumps and space trips with the same net result.

Does anyone know if you have a guarantee that you'll end up in the same place? If the endpoint of a time jump would be a random spot in the universe, every jump no matter how small would render it practically impossible to ever return. That might be the reason we've never been visited by time travellers. It will be invented but none of them ever end up anywhere near the solar system.
 
2014-02-22 05:10:46 PM  
I just watched Looper.

/I hate time travel plots.
 
2014-02-22 06:04:51 PM  

yakmans_dad: I just watched Looper.

/I hate time travel plots.


Then why did you watch it? Were you unaware of the premise?
 
2014-02-22 07:20:30 PM  
I'd teach Shakespeare some modern English, and if he refused to use it in his plays, then I'd kill him.
 
2014-02-22 07:34:30 PM  
lh5.googleusercontent.com
Believe it or not, but My Little Pony got this right.  Going back in time to change history will do nothing but set into motion the very events you were attempting to change.  We can't change history, because we make history what it is.
 
2014-02-22 08:43:11 PM  

fusillade762: yakmans_dad: I just watched Looper.

/I hate time travel plots.

Then why did you watch it? Were you unaware of the premise?


I thought it was about the Dalai Lama
 
2014-02-23 04:40:42 AM  
Geeze you don't have to KILL him, just give him a forged acceptance letter from The Academy of Fine Arts Vienna.

img.fark.net
 
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