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(Think Progress)   Idaho bill would nullify all EPA regulations in the state. SupremacyClauseSaysWhat?   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 141
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2014-02-21 05:22:11 PM  
Smeggy Smurf:Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


I grow my own potatoes thanks. You can keep your mutated, toxic, derp-infused, ones in your future sludge state.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-21 05:27:24 PM  
Lets not forget one of the main reasons Nixon created the EPA in the first place

www.banksinfo.com

And that place didn't even have the photo worthy piles on piles of trash and bodies like the other places seen in this thread.
 
2014-02-21 05:33:38 PM  

cirby: How many of the people championing the Supremacy Clause (which is correct in this case) also think it's okay for Colorado and the other states to effectively legalize marijuana?

/Still against Federal law, for some reason or other


I haven't run across anyone who thinks that legalization in Colorado nullifies anything and prevents the DEA from enforcing federal law in the state.
 
2014-02-21 05:34:00 PM  

Deadite: Lets not forget one of the main reasons Nixon created the EPA in the first place


Ahh the Cuyahoga River. My uncle was there when it happened

blog.cleveland.com

www.clf.org
 
2014-02-21 05:34:24 PM  

fatassbastard: Yeah! Nullify the EPA! Great idea, what could possibly go wrong?


i199.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-21 05:34:49 PM  
clarification-- my uncle is not the guy in the pic ;)
 
2014-02-21 05:38:28 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.

Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


I'm sure all of those businesses are going to sink their own ships just to try and prove a point.  None of those things are immune to relocation.
 
2014-02-21 05:38:47 PM  
While I do disagree with the goal of the law; the supremacy clause also applies to drug laws. The powers of the federal government needs to be challenged and the best way for a state to challenge federal law is to pass nullification laws. Most attempts fail, but if the federal law is ruled unconstitutional the state can win the day.
 
2014-02-21 05:39:44 PM  

Orange-Pippin: clarification-- my uncle is not the guy in the pic ;)


No he's just the jerk who threw the match into the river. :)

I forgot about that actually, I went with Love Canal NY. There was a lot of shiat going down before the EPA and companies won't hesitate to return to that crap if the EPA goes away.
 
2014-02-21 05:42:30 PM  
I guess I know now where Mr. Potato Head lives.
 
2014-02-21 05:44:23 PM  
So, kill all EPA regulations. Increase pollution. Increase Global warming.

DENY DENY DENY!
 
2014-02-21 05:47:42 PM  

Orange-Pippin: Smeggy Smurf:Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


I grow my own potatoes thanks. You can keep your mutated, toxic, derp-infused, ones in your future sludge state.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x600]


Actually, there are quite a few states that have active potato crops.  Among them are Washington,
Oregon, North Dakota, Minnesota, and, a big supplier around here, Wisconsin. They may not
have the reputation of Idaho potatoes, but then, General Motors ran on its reputation - its pre-
WW2 reputation - for years.
 
2014-02-21 05:49:48 PM  
So that makes Idaho a superfun superfund site. Neat.
 
2014-02-21 05:49:52 PM  

Li'l Robbie: Orange-Pippin: Smeggy Smurf:Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


I grow my own potatoes thanks. You can keep your mutated, toxic, derp-infused, ones in your future sludge state.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x600]

Actually, there are quite a few states that have active potato crops.  Among them are Washington,
Oregon, North Dakota, Minnesota, and, a big supplier around here, Wisconsin. They may not
have the reputation of Idaho potatoes, but then, General Motors ran on its reputation - its pre-
WW2 reputation - for years.


Michigan's got a decent product too, at least in the Saginaw Bay area.
 
2014-02-21 05:50:54 PM  
 
2014-02-21 05:53:38 PM  

Orange-Pippin: Cubicle Jockey: Evil High Priest: Where the hell is that second one?

The depressing part is that it could be one of many. but I am guessing the Ganges.

I'll raise you
Citarum River - West Java, Indonesia

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 650x460]

[www.sewonartspace.org image 650x432]

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 740x407]


Is that post-tsunami detritus, or just "Tuesday"?
 
2014-02-21 05:56:02 PM  
What the fark is with the republicans in state legislatures trying to pass all of these laws lately that are so obviously, glaringly unconstitutional that they'll be laughed out of court the moment they're challenged?

Legal discrimination against gays?  Check.
Nullification of EPA laws?  Check.
Nullification of federal gun laws?  Check.
Taking over enforcement of national borders?  Check.
Making federal agents doing their jobs illegal in the state?  Check.
I'm sure I'm missing several others
 
2014-02-21 05:56:41 PM  

Deadite: Orange-Pippin: clarification-- my uncle is not the guy in the pic ;)

No he's just the jerk who threw the match into the river. :)


lol
Here's an interesting video of the fire. According to this guy "there were several fires before that"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PtqSvwyNsQ
 
2014-02-21 05:59:18 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Smeggy Smurf: Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.

dafuq?

I buy that shiat for a living and I've never gotten any from Idaho.  I mean its a nice place but its no Taiwan, or South Korea, or Mexico, or Malaysia, or Thailand, or China, or Japan, or Phillipines or any of the other 99.99% of the suppliers of electronic components.


Boise Idaho is home of Micron Technology, The largest memory manufacturer in the world.  However, although MT has its headquarters in Idaho, the chips are manufactured overseas.
 
2014-02-21 06:00:46 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Secede, you f*cking cowards


It's the farking Simplot Crew in the legislature and all the podunk little towns sucking the blood of immigrant workers in their work camps, err I mean, "housing authorities". Everyone that matters in this state is very opposed to the crap that makes the headlines regardless of political affiliation.
 
2014-02-21 06:32:29 PM  

cirby: How many of the people championing the Supremacy Clause (which is correct in this case) also think it's okay for Colorado and the other states to effectively legalize marijuana?


Colorado and other states don't purport to nullify federal law, numnutz. States aren't required to criminalize everything the federal government does. But declining to criminalize isn't the same thing as nullifying.

Colorado: we will no longer punish marijuana under our own laws. We say nothing of the federal government's ability to do so.


Idaho: DERP HERPITY DOO!!!!!  Fedrul gubmint ain't gon 'force no tree huggin' laws hare!"

This isn't complicated. Thank you for helping to illustrate the ignorance of people who are pro-nullification!


 
2014-02-21 06:54:31 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.

Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.



3.bp.blogspot.com

If you cut off our federal aid, we'll destroy our main industries by refusing to sell you anything! We're serious! We'll do it!!

//this doesn't actually work in the real world
 
2014-02-21 06:57:06 PM  
Another stunning example of why when my American friends ask me why I don't make more of a fuss about not being allowed to enter the US anymore, I simply reply "I grew up in Idaho".
 
2014-02-21 07:08:31 PM  
You know what. Every time someone complains about the EPA I'm just going to dump oil on their lawn and shiat on it. That's pretty much what will happen if we get rid of it, except it's the government doing it.
 
2014-02-21 07:09:27 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.

Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


We'll get what we want if your land-locked state wants an economy.
 
2014-02-21 07:19:06 PM  
Sounds about as valid as the rubes here in Grant County, OR that voted to make it a "UN Free Zone".
 
2014-02-21 07:19:10 PM  
Baz744:
Colorado and other states don't purport to nullify federal law, numnutz. States aren't required to criminalize everything the federal government does. But declining to criminalize isn't the same thing as nullifying.

States are technically not required to enforce Federal laws - but the practice has been that they do. The only reason they're proceeding without many problems is that the Justice Department has basically said they're not going to intervene about marijuana.

They may not claim to nullify Federal marijuana laws - but the practical effect is that they have.

Of course, those state laws won't even slow down any Federal agent who decides to ruin the life of some otherwise-innocent pot smoker or seller who annoyed a politician.
 
2014-02-21 07:21:29 PM  

Wook: For anyone familiar with EPA regs, this actually isn't a bad idea.


As a person familiar with both Federal and one state's environmental regulations, I can safely say that this is a spectacularly bad idea.

Keeping something [relatively] clean in the first place is much less costly (damaging, injurious) than trying to remediate the damage after the fact.

/ was fortunate enough to work for a good corporate citizen when it came to the environment
// the consequences of an environmental screw-up would have been very unpleasant
 
2014-02-21 07:29:14 PM  

Burn98: Boise Idaho is home of Micron Technology, The largest memory manufacturer in the world.  However, although MT has its headquarters in Idaho, the chips are manufactured overseas.


I always get Micron from Digikey.

They're in Minnesota.

CHECKMATE IDAHO SUCK IT
 
2014-02-21 07:41:12 PM  
Like the EPA?  Thank the republican party.  They made it.  Democrats opposed it.  You cant spell conservation without conservative.
 
2014-02-21 07:43:54 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Like the EPA?  Thank the republican party.  They made it.  Democrats opposed it.  You cant spell conservation without conservative.


Odd, conversation has always been a progressive movement. Maybe the parties re-aligned sometime thereafter?

Or are you insinuating that it's the Democrats today who are complaining about the "Job killing regulations" of the EPA?
 
2014-02-21 07:47:33 PM  

jdbob: Sounds about as valid as the rubes here in Grant County, OR that voted to make it a "UN Free Zone".


That's a special kind of crazy over there.  Not as bad as Josephine County though.

Beautiful area too.
 
2014-02-21 07:49:05 PM  

Summercat: bigsteve3OOO: Like the EPA?  Thank the republican party.  They made it.  Democrats opposed it.  You cant spell conservation without conservative.

Odd, conversation has always been a progressive movement. Maybe the parties re-aligned sometime thereafter?

Or are you insinuating that it's the Democrats today who are complaining about the "Job killing regulations" of the EPA?


I am merely stating the fact that the EPA like most good government programs came from the R party not the democrat.   linky to the wiki
 
2014-02-21 07:52:28 PM  

buckler: I swear to farking God, the GOP won't be happy until they've transformed Earth into Giedi Prime

The Lord Jesus Christ returns!

FTFY
 
2014-02-21 07:56:41 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Summercat: bigsteve3OOO: Like the EPA?  Thank the republican party.  They made it.  Democrats opposed it.  You cant spell conservation without conservative.

Odd, conversation has always been a progressive movement. Maybe the parties re-aligned sometime thereafter?

Or are you insinuating that it's the Democrats today who are complaining about the "Job killing regulations" of the EPA?

I am merely stating the fact that the EPA like most good government programs came from the R party not the democrat.   linky to the wiki


I think we're well aware of the political parties that Progressives, Conservatives, and Regressives were part of prior the Southern Strategy of the late 60s/early 70s, and I think we all equally understand that they effectively swapped places - the Solid South now votes Republican, and the former Republican strongholds of the Northeast and Midwest now vote Democratic.

(To everyone else: Yes I know. I'm bored at work.)
 
2014-02-21 07:59:05 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Summercat: bigsteve3OOO: Like the EPA?  Thank the republican party.  They made it.  Democrats opposed it.  You cant spell conservation without conservative.

Odd, conversation has always been a progressive movement. Maybe the parties re-aligned sometime thereafter?

Or are you insinuating that it's the Democrats today who are complaining about the "Job killing regulations" of the EPA?

I am merely stating the fact that the EPA like most good government programs came from the R party not the democrat.   linky to the wiki


So you're saying the bills that helped spawn it, written by Democrats, were opposed by Democrats.

I give Nixon full credit for creating the EPA, but to claim Democrats opposed it when they had a hand in its creation is just a load of bullshiat
 
2014-02-21 08:04:40 PM  

apoptotic: Another stunning example of why when my American friends ask me why I don't make more of a fuss about not being allowed to enter the US anymore, I simply reply "I grew up in Idaho".


Ok you can't just throw something like that out there and not explain further. Why exactly are you not allowed to enter the US?
 
2014-02-21 08:08:31 PM  
This is the first step toward officially outlawing Liberals and Liberalism.

/pay a tax?  that's a hangin'
 
2014-02-21 08:29:55 PM  

FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.


And you wonder why states turned down obamacare money.

"Here's your money now you're my biatch."

No thanks.
 
2014-02-21 08:55:43 PM  

Li'l Robbie: Orange-Pippin: Smeggy Smurf:Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


I grow my own potatoes thanks. You can keep your mutated, toxic, derp-infused, ones in your future sludge state.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x600]

Actually, there are quite a few states that have active potato crops.  Among them are Washington,
Oregon, North Dakota, Minnesota, and, a big supplier around here, Wisconsin. They may not
have the reputation of Idaho potatoes, but then, General Motors ran on its reputation - its pre-
WW2 reputation - for years.


Yep! There are quite a few potato farmers around here too. I grow the mini red ones for my family for dirt cheap since I get more to plant every year from last years harvest.

They charge 2.00 a potato for Idaho bakers in the grocer. Now that they will be Toxic-mutant-Bake I can't imagine who in the world would buy them around here.

static.funpic.hu
 
2014-02-21 08:56:50 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Like the EPA?  Thank the republican party.  They made it.  Democrats opposed it.  You cant spell conservation without conservative.


Don't like the EPA. The republicans want to remove it and give big business carte blanche to pollute as they see fit. Enjoy your cancer and flammable water.
 
2014-02-21 08:57:55 PM  

buckler: I swear to farking God, the GOP won't be happy until they've transformed Earth into Giedi Prime Ferenginar.

 
2014-02-21 09:16:57 PM  

cirby: They may not claim to nullify Federal marijuana laws - but the practical effect is that they have.


Did you not understand what he said, or what?  It doesn't matter what the practical effect is, it matters what they are actually trying to do.  Colorado's law is a statement about what would be enforced by the state, not a dictate about what can be enforced in the state.

One of those ideas is perfectly within the state's power.
The other is a ridiculous legislative pipe dream that is halfway to declaring independence from the U.S.
 
2014-02-21 09:18:23 PM  

cchris_39: FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.

And you wonder why states turned down obamacare money.

"Here's your money now you're my biatch."

No thanks.


I guess that pride goes out the window if it means FEMA money?
Sure, EPA money is easy to turn down - the results take some time to manifest - unlike your average tornado, cancers and birth defects take at least a generation of voters-worth to manifest....and, by then? we'll have to outsource the lab work to a country still teaching science.....
 
2014-02-21 09:25:20 PM  
Ah, Idaho. The state in which I grew up. Site of some of the most beautiful natural treasures in the country and many of my fondest memories. Occupied largely by brain damaged shiat weasels.

I've said it before - there is no creature on Earth more selfish, more entitled, and more ungrateful than rural Western Americans. Their entire lifestyle depends on federal largesse, and yet they despise the federal government. They're mostly a bunch of drooling knuckleheads.
 
2014-02-21 09:29:02 PM  

El Dudereno: Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.

Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.

We'll get what we want if your land-locked state wants an economy.


Not true. Lewiston, ID is the most inland port in the country accessible to ocean-going vessels. Of course, that's just because the federal government keeps the Columbia and Snake Rivers dredged. Shame about all that government intrusion, right?
 
2014-02-21 09:31:21 PM  

Summercat: bigsteve3OOO: Like the EPA?  Thank the republican party.  They made it.  Democrats opposed it.  You cant spell conservation without conservative.

Odd, conversation has always been a progressive movement. Maybe the parties re-aligned sometime thereafter?


No, he is just being disingenuous and a liar.

All Nixon did was create the EPA by reorganizing various other governmental agencies.  It was approved by both the House and Senate, which were both strong Democratic majorities, so there couldn't possibly have been serious Democratic objection.

The act that the EPA functions on, the National Environmental Policy Act, was drafted by a Democratic Senator and passed by a Democratic congress.  It is the thing that actually gives governmental agencies the power to enforce the regulations imposed by NEPA.  Nixon may have brought together a police force, but the Democrats were the ones who made the laws for them to enforce.
 
2014-02-21 09:33:50 PM  
I've had a somewhat tinfoil-hatty thought.
Is there a coordinated plot afoot on the part of the American Right to paralyze the Federal Courts by strangling them with litigation stemming from all the unconstitutional or otherwise illegal legislation they are passing?
 
2014-02-21 09:35:25 PM  
Tenthamendmentsayswhat? It says states can write their own laws unless the Constitution specifically gives that power to the fedtards.
 
2014-02-21 09:41:20 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Tenthamendmentsayswhat? It says states can write their own laws unless the Constitution specifically gives that power to the fedtards.


Exactly.  And the Feds have the power to enforce Federal laws.  Even in Idaho.
States cannot nullify Federal powers and it's stupid to think that they should be able to pass a law that says they can.
 
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