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(Think Progress)   Idaho bill would nullify all EPA regulations in the state. SupremacyClauseSaysWhat?   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 141
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2014-02-21 01:56:28 PM  
fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.
 
2014-02-21 02:06:09 PM  
Secede, you f*cking cowards
 
2014-02-21 02:12:09 PM  
FTFIdiot: the EPA's regulatory authority is unconstitutional and violate's the U.S. Constitution's "true meaning and intent as given by the founders and ratifiers"

Because this guy knows that when the FFs established the Executive Branch, they didn't really mean for it to carry out the laws enacted by Congress if it would inconvenience big campaign donors.
 
2014-02-21 02:45:07 PM  
Good thing Idaho doesn't have any valuable cash crops that could be potentially harmed by this.  Yup, good thing indeed.
 
2014-02-21 02:57:06 PM  
a·mend·ment
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noun 1.
the act of amending or the state of being amended.
2.
an alteration of or addition to a motion, bill, constitution, etc.
3.
a change made by correction, addition, or deletion: The editors made few amendments to the manuscript.
4.
Horticulture . a soil-conditioning substance that promotes plant growth indirectly by improving such soil qualities as porosity, moisture retention, and pH balance.
Origin:
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2014-02-21 03:15:31 PM  

MrBallou: FTFIdiot: the EPA's regulatory authority is unconstitutional and violate's the U.S. Constitution's "true meaning and intent as given by the founders and ratifiers"

Because this guy knows that when the FFs established the Executive Branch, they didn't really mean for it to carry out the laws enacted by Congress if it would inconvenience big campaign donors.


I'm sure he only keeps guns as part of a well-regulated militia.
 
2014-02-21 03:25:16 PM  
Idaho, where it's good to count to potato.
 
2014-02-21 03:26:27 PM  

MrBallou: FTFIdiot: the EPA's regulatory authority is unconstitutional and violate's the U.S. Constitution's "true meaning and intent as given by the founders and ratifiers"

Because this guy knows that when the FFs established the Executive Branch, they didn't really mean for it to carry out the laws enacted by Congress if it would inconvenience big campaign donors.


http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-wha t- he-imagines-c,2849/
 
2014-02-21 04:16:07 PM  
Because being able to breathe and drink without poisoning yourself is overrated.
 
2014-02-21 04:29:32 PM  
Good luck with that
 
2014-02-21 04:29:53 PM  
This is just like the damn vaccines; we've gone for a long time without the ravages of polio and other preventable diseases, and so people have no fear of them.  Likewise, we're a long way from Love Canal and 1970s smog banks (et cetera, et cetera) and people have just forgotten WHY WE HAVE AN EPA.

It isn't like they have to look hard... just look at China.  You know, the one "kicking our asses" in everything, the one with 100% of all freshwater bodies contaminated above limits?  The one with smog so bad it is 10x over "severe" scale?

That's where "produce at any cost" will bring us back to.
 
2014-02-21 04:30:23 PM  
Ah Idaho, home of that rugged oniony, potatoey, individualist goodness.
 
2014-02-21 04:31:36 PM  

FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.


Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.
 
2014-02-21 04:31:38 PM  
the EPA's regulatory authority is unconstitutional and violate's the U.S. Constitution ...

Learn how to use an apostrophe, you morans.
 
2014-02-21 04:33:53 PM  
God, these new gold diggers are assholes.
 
2014-02-21 04:38:45 PM  
Won't somebody think of the Gold Miners!?
 
2014-02-21 04:39:35 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.

Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


You might want to rethink that, considering you get more back in federal money than you pay in...
 
2014-02-21 04:39:38 PM  
For anyone familiar with EPA regs, this actually isn't a bad idea.
 
2014-02-21 04:40:02 PM  
Oddly enough, I think we could survive
should a potato famine arrive.
 
2014-02-21 04:42:35 PM  
Yep, it's not like your horrible pollution won't ever flow to the next state over.
 
2014-02-21 04:47:11 PM  
It's not like there are any current examples of unregulated industries poisoning people.
 
2014-02-21 04:47:14 PM  

Wook: For anyone familiar with EPA regs, this actually isn't a bad idea.


Why?
 
2014-02-21 04:48:20 PM  

meat0918: Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.

Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.

You might want to rethink that, considering you get more back in federal money than you pay in...


Perhaps...but it would certainly be an eye opener for the people of Idaho....
 
2014-02-21 04:50:17 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Sounds good to me. We don't need your blood money anyway. Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers. Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


I take that to mean that Idaho does not make memory chips for current models of computers, only obsolete ones.  Sounds like an industry that is dying anyway.
 
2014-02-21 04:50:49 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.

Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


Yes. It's completely impossible to grow potatoes or manufacture memory chips and locomotives in any state but Idaho.
 
2014-02-21 04:50:58 PM  

Wook: For anyone familiar with EPA regs, this actually isn't a bad idea.


As someone familiar with them, those found in violation pay a small fine, and generally continue business as usual until they are caught again and pay another fine, increased, but still small.

One place (Kingston charcoal) around here gets around the requirement their smoke be only a certain level of opaqueness by only burning at night, so it is near impossible for a local to complain to the regulatory authorities.

You may think that is a silly rule, but it is a cheap way to guesstimate how much particulate you're emitting, and for lay people to help regulators.

Another business in the area that does creosote treatment and has been fined so many times you'd think they'd have gone out of business by now opens their vents in the wee hours of the morning so fewer people are awake to complain about the burning eyes and moth ball smell gagging you as you drive past.  It's often quite bad during the day as well.

They also have capped several places on their lot with impermeable surfaces because of arsenic runoff.

I should mention that just across the road from this place are houses, a playground, and a little further is a school where the kids don't play outside some days because of the smell.

The EPA serves a good purpose, but have had quite a few teeth pulled.
 
2014-02-21 04:51:48 PM  

Wook: For anyone familiar with EPA regs, this actually isn't a bad idea.


From another article about the original source of the legislation:
"The EPA and its law officers - "jack-booted thugs in swat uniforms" - are trying to eliminate gold dredging through a misinterpretation of the Clean Water Act, said Tom Kitchar, president of the Waldo Mining District in Oregon. Kitchar and others spoke at a joint meeting of the Senate Resources and Environment and House Resources and Conservation Committees.
Miners complained about the new permit required since May under provisions of the Clean Water Act. They say it is a federal overreach, creates a lengthy and complicated process and closes or restricts many popular gold streams."

I'm familiar with fish habitat and the consequences of farking that up over the long term for short-term profit.

Including the economic costs.

Miner J. Fortyniner gets his $5 now, and we all pay the $20 to fix what he broke doing it.

You're right, that's not a bad idea, I mean your individual share of the cost is a fraction of a penny, right?
 
2014-02-21 04:52:40 PM  
Yeah! Nullify the EPA! Great idea, what could possibly go wrong?

thinkprogress.org

nimg.sulekha.com
 
2014-02-21 04:56:23 PM  
I swear to farking God, the GOP won't be happy until they've transformed Earth into Giedi Prime.
 
2014-02-21 04:57:12 PM  

fatassbastard: Yeah! Nullify the EPA! Great idea, what could possibly go wrong?

[thinkprogress.org image 555x370]

[nimg.sulekha.com image 800x489]


Where the hell is that second one?
 
2014-02-21 04:59:22 PM  

buckler: I swear to farking God, the GOP won't be happy until they've transformed Earth into Giedi Prime.


Considering what they're doing to the educational system, where are we going to get all the Mentats?
 
2014-02-21 04:59:24 PM  

Evil High Priest: Where the hell is that second one?


Ganges River in India.
 
2014-02-21 04:59:43 PM  

meat0918: Ah Idaho, home of that rugged oniony, potatoey, individualist goodness.


Sure they're crunchy on the outside, but they're white and greasy on the inside.
 
2014-02-21 04:59:50 PM  

ikanreed: Yep, it's not like your horrible pollution won't ever flow to the next state over.


Indeed, it looks like Idaho is upstream of a lot of people, and not downstream from many.  Do I have that right?  Being upstream from the herd can give you funny ideas about water rights.

//Lives in Colorado.
 
2014-02-21 05:01:57 PM  
Sorry, dumbasses.
No.
 
2014-02-21 05:04:18 PM  
Will this kind of stuff continue once Obama is out of the White House?
 
2014-02-21 05:06:48 PM  
FTA: A new bill, introduced by Idaho Rep. Paul Shepherd (R-Riggins), declares that the EPA's regulatory authority
is unconstitutional and violate's the U.S. Constitution's "true meaning and intent as given by the founders and ratifiers.



Fine. Enjoy your water and deformities "patriots"

gogreen.umaryland.edu

www.chinaabout.net
http://www.chinaabout.net/three-nose-baby-pig-found-in-henan-may-be- ca used-by-pollution/

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2014-02-21 05:07:04 PM  

Evil High Priest: Where the hell is that second one?


The depressing part is that it could be one of many. but I am guessing the Ganges.
 
2014-02-21 05:07:14 PM  

Dutch Pilsner: Will this kind of stuff continue once Obama is out of the White House?


It will never stop. It's also not novel, and has been going on since day 1 of this nation
 
2014-02-21 05:07:40 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.

Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


Hah,

You think without federal aid business would stay in a state with crumbling infrastructure?

Sorry but you can't hold the country hostage with commodities.
 
2014-02-21 05:08:37 PM  

Evil High Priest: fatassbastard: Yeah! Nullify the EPA! Great idea, what could possibly go wrong?

[thinkprogress.org image 555x370]

[nimg.sulekha.com image 800x489]

Where the hell is that second one?


If I had to guess, I'd say it looks like the Ganges in India. In which case, the litter/garbage sludge is a secondary concern to the dead bodies that religious custom dictates find their way into the river.
 
2014-02-21 05:09:19 PM  

Dutch Pilsner: Will this kind of stuff continue once Obama is out of the White House?


I have no doubt. What they're really angling for here is a Supreme Court decision that says discrimination based on religion is protected by the First Amendment; presumably, that wouldn't change if there's a Democrat after Obama, and it would probably redouble if it's a Republican because they'd have a chance to tilt the balance of the court prior to the decision.
 
2014-02-21 05:09:56 PM  
Well, on the bright side, some people might get cool mutations!.
 
2014-02-21 05:12:05 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Evil High Priest: Where the hell is that second one?

The depressing part is that it could be one of many. but I am guessing the Ganges.


I'll raise you
Citarum River - West Java, Indonesia

files.abovetopsecret.com

www.sewonartspace.org

files.abovetopsecret.com
 
2014-02-21 05:12:13 PM  
Considering the large amount of white supremacist's that Idaho contains and attracts having them poison their own water and food supply might be worth it. Too bad that the guaranteed pollution that would happen would spread to other states.
 
2014-02-21 05:15:02 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.


dafuq?

I buy that shiat for a living and I've never gotten any from Idaho.  I mean its a nice place but its no Taiwan, or South Korea, or Mexico, or Malaysia, or Thailand, or China, or Japan, or Phillipines or any of the other 99.99% of the suppliers of electronic components.
 
2014-02-21 05:18:31 PM  

Mad Scientist: the EPA's regulatory authority is unconstitutional and violate's the U.S. Constitution ...

Learn how to use an apostrophe, you morans.


That's batting .500.
 
2014-02-21 05:19:21 PM  

Orange-Pippin: Cubicle Jockey: Evil High Priest: Where the hell is that second one?

The depressing part is that it could be one of many. but I am guessing the Ganges.

I'll raise you
Citarum River - West Java, Indonesia

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 650x460]

[www.sewonartspace.org image 650x432]

[files.abovetopsecret.com image 740x407]


oh jesus
 
2014-02-21 05:19:26 PM  
How many of the people championing the Supremacy Clause (which is correct in this case) also think it's okay for Colorado and the other states to effectively legalize marijuana?

/Still against Federal law, for some reason or other
 
2014-02-21 05:20:07 PM  

qorkfiend: Smeggy Smurf: FlashHarry: fine. then cut all federal aid to the state.

Sounds good to me.  We don't need your blood money anyway.  Of course this means that we'll cripple the french fry market and good luck getting any more memory chips for your aging computers.  Oh and you're going to have a hard time getting new locomotives as well.

Yes. It's completely impossible to grow potatoes or manufacture memory chips and locomotives in any state but Idaho.


I'm sure these guys, these guys, and these guys (among others) would all be more than happy to pick up the slack in providing starchy goodness. And its not like we don't already make locomotives in Indiana and Texas.
 
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