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(Talking Points Memo)   Arizona Legislature: Business owners can legally refuse to serve gay people. Business owner: On the other hand, I can also refuse to serve Arizona legislators   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2014-02-21 01:46:17 PM  
Ohsnap.jpg
 
2014-02-21 02:08:29 PM  
funny
 
2014-02-21 02:27:04 PM  
Hopefully this will catch on the Phoenix area, where they actually meet. Next step is to create a large poster with photos of all the legislators supporting the measure on it and distribute it to any businesses wishing to join in -- a "DO NOT SERVE" wall of shame of sorts.
 
2014-02-21 03:04:24 PM  
I haven't heard, what's the odds of Brewer signing this thing?
 
2014-02-21 03:30:40 PM  

kimwim: I haven't heard, what's the odds of Brewer signing this thing?


I hear she's becoming a RINO (she actually  opposes slavery) but it is primary season.
 
2014-02-21 03:53:47 PM  

kimwim: I haven't heard, what's the odds of Brewer signing this thing?


She vetoed a basically identical bill last year, although that was in the middle of a spat she had with the legislature over Medicaid and the budget IIRC.
 
2014-02-21 04:17:51 PM  
This warms my heart.

And makes me think about pizza for dinner.

/peckish
 
2014-02-21 04:20:46 PM  

DrBenway: Hopefully this will catch on the Phoenix area, where they actually meet. Next step is to create a large poster with photos of all the legislators supporting the measure on it and distribute it to any businesses wishing to join in -- a "DO NOT SERVE" wall of shame of sorts.


I love this idea. I'll send money to a Kickstarter to help buy the posters.
I am completely serious.
 
2014-02-21 04:23:31 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: kimwim: I haven't heard, what's the odds of Brewer signing this thing?

I hear she's becoming a RINO (she actually  opposes slavery) but it is primary season.


Brewer's term-limited, so she can do whatever the fark she wants.
 
2014-02-21 04:31:27 PM  

Bob Falfa: DrBenway: Hopefully this will catch on the Phoenix area, where they actually meet. Next step is to create a large poster with photos of all the legislators supporting the measure on it and distribute it to any businesses wishing to join in -- a "DO NOT SERVE" wall of shame of sorts.

I love this idea. I'll send money to a Kickstarter to help buy the posters.
I am completely serious.


^^THIS
 
2014-02-21 04:37:03 PM  
Awesome start, but it isn't enough. We need a lot of the businesses doing this. Enough to actually affect where the legislators can eat, shop, etc. Then they'll start to feel what it's like.
 
2014-02-21 05:01:56 PM  

DrBenway: Hopefully this will catch on the Phoenix area, where they actually meet. Next step is to create a large poster with photos of all the legislators supporting the measure on it and distribute it to any businesses wishing to join in -- a "DO NOT SERVE" wall of shame of sorts.


Can we expand that to include hospitals, police stations a firehalls?
 
2014-02-21 05:03:22 PM  
The best way to stop this is to get a Muslim business owner to refuse to serve a Christian.

I mean, I wouldn't want to be around for the ensuing shiatstorm, but it will end this variety of BS pretty quick.
 
2014-02-21 05:05:17 PM  

Flappyhead: DrBenway: Hopefully this will catch on the Phoenix area, where they actually meet. Next step is to create a large poster with photos of all the legislators supporting the measure on it and distribute it to any businesses wishing to join in -- a "DO NOT SERVE" wall of shame of sorts.

Can we expand that to include hospitals, police stations a firehalls?


What about rest rooms? After all, who wants to risk dropping trou while one of "them" might be in the room?
 
2014-02-21 05:06:08 PM  
I call on the largest gay sit-in protest in history to converge on Phoenix and gay-out like it was the end of the world.
 
2014-02-21 05:06:18 PM  

Flappyhead: DrBenway: Hopefully this will catch on the Phoenix area, where they actually meet. Next step is to create a large poster with photos of all the legislators supporting the measure on it and distribute it to any businesses wishing to join in -- a "DO NOT SERVE" wall of shame of sorts.

Can we expand that to include hospitals, police stations a firehalls?


Probably not.  Private business vs public service...Hospitals are required to serve ANYONE who comes to ER...However, the doctors (who are all independent contractors to the hospital) are another matter.
 
2014-02-21 05:06:33 PM  

BetterMetalSnake: The best way to stop this is to get a Muslim business owner to refuse to serve a Christian.

I mean, I wouldn't want to be around for the ensuing shiatstorm, but it will end this variety of BS pretty quick.


Better yet, get a business run by Baptists or other 'born-agains' to refuse to serve Catholics.  Even the USS Voyager's ablative armor would be useless against the level of whargarbal that would ensue.
 
2014-02-21 05:06:42 PM  
It makes sense.  No one's born a legislator.  Being a legislator is a choice.
 
2014-02-21 05:07:59 PM  
I'm not a big fan of this type of action, no matter how well deserved.  Then you're going to start see right wing jackasses banning anyone they see as liberal.
 
2014-02-21 05:08:11 PM  

Joementum: It makes sense.  No one's born a legislator.  Being a legislator is a choice.


That's just....I mean you.....I...I  think I love you
 
2014-02-21 05:11:02 PM  

DrBenway: Hopefully this will catch on the Phoenix area, where they actually meet. Next step is to create a large poster with photos of all the legislators supporting the measure on it and distribute it to any businesses wishing to join in -- a "DO NOT SERVE" wall of shame of sorts.


Hell, we should do this with Republicans in general.
 
2014-02-21 05:12:10 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I call on the largest gay sit-in protest in history to converge on Phoenix and gay-out like it was the end of the world.


An old friend, who is now a manager at one of the downtown gay bars, would thoroughly enjoy the benefit to her checking account such a thing might facilitate.
 
2014-02-21 05:12:30 PM  
From the comments:

I think Rocco's Pizzeria will find themselves in violation of Title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 which makes it illegal to discriminate against people with a "...mental impairment that substantially limits a major life activity". Not to worry though, just reverse the Push/Pull signs on the front door and the legislators will never get in.


I lol'd.
 
2014-02-21 05:13:25 PM  
Good.

Even better if one of then was actually a regular there.
 
2014-02-21 05:14:56 PM  

Joementum: It makes sense.  No one's born a legislator.  Being a legislator is a choice.


+4, the gayest of numbers.
 
2014-02-21 05:15:35 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I'm not a big fan of this type of action, no matter how well deserved.  Then you're going to start see right wing jackasses banning anyone they see as liberal.


Unfortunately, for people this clinically insane, it takes something like that to prove to them how idiotic it really is.  The liberals can start it, saying "oh yeah, well now I won't serve Republicans!"  The republicans will say "Oh yeah, well we won't serve liberals!"  What you'll end up with is one half of the city that won't do business with the other half.  (Or rough equivalent, thereof).  You'll see "Republican only" grocery stores, "Democrat only grocery stores, etc.etc."

Eventually, the grown-ups in the state will step in, spank the children, send them to their corners and fix the problem.  But sometimes, you have to let the tantrum happen.

If you prevent the kid from having a tantrum in the first place, then they have nothing to learn from.
 
2014-02-21 05:18:24 PM  

Joementum: It makes sense.  No one's born a legislator.  Being a legislator is a choice.


It's really just a lifestyle.
 
2014-02-21 05:19:27 PM  

A Cave Geek: The republicans will say "Oh yeah, well we won't serve liberals!"  What you'll end up with is one half of the city that won't do business with the other half.  (Or rough equivalent, thereof).  You'll see "Republican only" grocery stores, "Democrat only grocery stores, etc.etc."


But you forgot about the silver lining:

An entire cottage industry for folks who will pose as liberals/conservatives, infiltrate the other camps' businesses and troll the heck out of the employees.... Then post the results on YouTube.  xD
 
2014-02-21 05:20:39 PM  
Being an Arizona legislator is a learned behavior.
 
2014-02-21 05:21:00 PM  

Joementum: It makes sense.  No one's born a legislator.  Being a legislator is a choice.


So is religion. So it's ok if I ban a religious group from my business right?
 
2014-02-21 05:23:35 PM  

A Cave Geek: The liberals can start it, saying "oh yeah, well now I won't serve Republicans!" The republicans will say "Oh yeah, well we won't serve liberals!" What you'll end up with is one half of the city that won't do business with the other half. (Or rough equivalent, thereof). You'll see "Republican only" grocery stores, "Democrat only grocery stores, etc.etc."


I dunno.  I think we've reached the point in our political polarization where we need to go one way or the other.  Either come to some middle ground (which, incidentally, would still be a very right-wing position, so far right have the Republicans gone), or recognize the reality of the situation and stop pretending that we really have any values or priorities in common.  Republicans and Democrats banning each other from their businesses may seem crazy, but at least it's an honest recognition of the very real cultural and ideological gulf between the parties.

And I personally would appreciate being able to avoid Republicans everywhere I go, but that's just me.
 
2014-02-21 05:26:17 PM  
Does no shirt, no shoes still apply? Food just tastes better without a shirt on.
 
2014-02-21 05:26:29 PM  

A Cave Geek: Satanic_Hamster: I'm not a big fan of this type of action, no matter how well deserved.  Then you're going to start see right wing jackasses banning anyone they see as liberal.

Unfortunately, for people this clinically insane, it takes something like that to prove to them how idiotic it really is.  The liberals can start it, saying "oh yeah, well now I won't serve Republicans!"  The republicans will say "Oh yeah, well we won't serve liberals!"  What you'll end up with is one half of the city that won't do business with the other half.  (Or rough equivalent, thereof).  You'll see "Republican only" grocery stores, "Democrat only grocery stores, etc.etc."

Eventually, the grown-ups in the state will step in, spank the children, send them to their corners and fix the problem.  But sometimes, you have to let the tantrum happen.

If you prevent the kid from having a tantrum in the first place, then they have nothing to learn from.


So you think that the majority of businesses in America hate money?
 
2014-02-21 05:30:57 PM  

The Name: A Cave Geek: The liberals can start it, saying "oh yeah, well now I won't serve Republicans!" The republicans will say "Oh yeah, well we won't serve liberals!" What you'll end up with is one half of the city that won't do business with the other half. (Or rough equivalent, thereof). You'll see "Republican only" grocery stores, "Democrat only grocery stores, etc.etc."

I dunno.  I think we've reached the point in our political polarization where we need to go one way or the other.  Either come to some middle ground (which, incidentally, would still be a very right-wing position, so far right have the Republicans gone), or recognize the reality of the situation and stop pretending that we really have any values or priorities in common.  Republicans and Democrats banning each other from their businesses may seem crazy, but at least it's an honest recognition of the very real cultural and ideological gulf between the parties.

And I personally would appreciate being able to avoid Republicans everywhere I go, but that's just me.


I'd take it a step further and propose a grand national experiment.  Take the two most populous red states and give them a 10-year window to literally do whatever they want; they can enact any rules, regulations, or cultural norms that they want.  Hell, subsidize willing volunteers who want to relocate there just to maximize the sample size.

Then, give them 10 years to live out their trickle-down, 'Murica' fantasy world, and see how they do.
 
2014-02-21 05:31:05 PM  
I object.  They should definitely serve Arizona legislators.

In the "To Serve Man" sense.
 
2014-02-21 05:32:44 PM  
This country as a whole is going to change a lot when the Boomers kick it - but in Arizona the change is going to be seismic. there's almost no point in thinking about the place right now - in twenty years, it's going to almost unrecognizable, demographically.
 
2014-02-21 05:33:13 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I'm not a big fan of this type of action, no matter how well deserved.  Then you're going to start see right wing jackasses banning anyone they see as liberal.


Um, that's kind of the point. The legislature just made it legal to do this. They are just following the law.
 
2014-02-21 05:33:17 PM  

Warlordtrooper: So is religion. So it's ok if I ban a religious group from my business right?


They don't tip anyway.
 
2014-02-21 05:33:38 PM  
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2014-02-21 05:35:47 PM  

A Cave Geek: Flappyhead: DrBenway: Hopefully this will catch on the Phoenix area, where they actually meet. Next step is to create a large poster with photos of all the legislators supporting the measure on it and distribute it to any businesses wishing to join in -- a "DO NOT SERVE" wall of shame of sorts.

Can we expand that to include hospitals, police stations a firehalls?

Probably not.  Private business vs public service...Hospitals are required to serve ANYONE who comes to ER...However, the doctors (who are all independent contractors to the hospital) are another matter.


Except that they are trying to pass legislation to deny exactly THIS.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/02/carl_seel_arizo na _anti_immigrant_bill_toilet_award.php
 
2014-02-21 05:37:24 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I'm not a big fan of this type of action, no matter how well deserved.  Then you're going to start see right wing jackasses banning anyone they see as liberal.


Ummm, that's what the no-gay bill does. It allows people to ban anyone they want. Anyone can be accused of being gay and be banned. A guy could walk in with a supermodel and be called gay. Personally, I hope that people accuse all the legislators of being gay, 'cause that would put things to an end pretty quickly.
 
2014-02-21 05:38:52 PM  
I have a brother who, years ago, lived in Arizona....although he's now married, I think,
after this, he's glad he now lives in New Mexico...maybe...
 
2014-02-21 05:41:42 PM  

Dahnkster: [media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 236x328]


Of all the ways to derail a thread, this is the best one. THE VERY BEST.

/I'll be in your bunk.
 
2014-02-21 05:41:56 PM  

Mikey1969: Satanic_Hamster: I'm not a big fan of this type of action, no matter how well deserved.  Then you're going to start see right wing jackasses banning anyone they see as liberal.

Um, that's kind of the point. The legislature just made it legal to do this. They are just following the law.


I don't think political affiliation has ever been a protected class.
 
2014-02-21 05:42:06 PM  
What a bunch of motherfarking bigots.  I can't wait for these assholes to die off.
 
2014-02-21 05:42:54 PM  

Bob Falfa: DrBenway: Hopefully this will catch on the Phoenix area, where they actually meet. Next step is to create a large poster with photos of all the legislators supporting the measure on it and distribute it to any businesses wishing to join in -- a "DO NOT SERVE" wall of shame of sorts.

I love this idea. I'll send money to a Kickstarter to help buy the posters.
I am completely serious.


I would definitely pay handsomely for just one iPhone video of a legislature storming out of a restaurant because they refused to serve him.
 
2014-02-21 05:42:56 PM  

Dahnkster: [media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 236x328]


I have no idea what it is you're trying to say with this post. But I fully support it.
 
2014-02-21 05:44:12 PM  
As a longtime employer and feeder of the gay community

forums.watchuseek.com
 
2014-02-21 05:47:45 PM  

Li'l Robbie: I have a brother who, years ago, lived in Arizona....although he's now married, I think,
after this, he's glad he now lives in New Mexico...maybe...


You're not entirely sure whether your brother's married?
 
2014-02-21 05:49:32 PM  

Mikey1969: A Cave Geek: Flappyhead: DrBenway: Hopefully this will catch on the Phoenix area, where they actually meet. Next step is to create a large poster with photos of all the legislators supporting the measure on it and distribute it to any businesses wishing to join in -- a "DO NOT SERVE" wall of shame of sorts.

Can we expand that to include hospitals, police stations a firehalls?

Probably not.  Private business vs public service...Hospitals are required to serve ANYONE who comes to ER...However, the doctors (who are all independent contractors to the hospital) are another matter.

Except that they are trying to pass legislation to deny exactly THIS.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/02/carl_seel_arizo na _anti_immigrant_bill_toilet_award.php


*reads...*

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