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2014-02-21 02:01:13 PM  
IN other news, there will be a markup/sale of bayonets shortly online
 
2014-02-21 02:06:02 PM  
Trying to out-derp the gun-enthusiast crowd about guns, subby?  Settle down; there wasn't even anything particularly crazy about the column.  However, one point that neither the author nor any of the commenters that I read pointed out is the self-injury probability increase when grabbing a bayonet-fixed firearm while disoriented, scared and in the dark.  "Oops!  Grabbed the pointy end by accident!  Now my shooting hand is all torn up!"

I chalk this up to the foolish notion that many have that adrenaline makes you calm and focused, and that a home invasion is something that one could handle as a matter of routine.
 
2014-02-21 02:10:01 PM  
"What do you think, am I being paranoid? "  Maybe. The detailed wacky daydream scenario is the tip off.
 
2014-02-21 02:15:43 PM  
My grandfather was drafted during the Korean war (though thankfully was sent to Germany instead). He was trained to use a bayonet on a M1 Garand, and they were advised that it's very common for the bayonet to become stuck within an opponent's body (e.g. stuck between ribs). The proscribed method for dealing with this situation was to fire the rifle, and the shock would dislodge the bayonet.

Grandpa, observant as he is, asked the instructor why he would have bayonetted a guy if he had any bullets left in the rifle. Grandpa was not well liked.

More on topic, the kind of thinking in TFA (what if someone breaks in... what if I can't find my gun... what if my gun doesn't fire... what if my bayonet breaks... what if my assailant tries to stab me with my own bayonet...) isn't really productive. A gun is only useful in the event of a home invasion while you're at home, the odds of which are already astonishingly low. Then, the odds of a bayonet being useful in that astonishingly rare situation is again very low. I'd imagine it'd be more likely to be a liability, through making the weapon more difficult to handle (most bayonets will add 9-12" of length to a gun), than it would be an advantage in that extremely unlikely situation.

Case in point, even the military has abandoned bayonet training. Knives have even been identified as a liability in combat.

http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-rumor-doctor/the-rumor-doctor-1.104 34 8/has-the-army-eliminated-bayonet-training-1.137356
 
2014-02-21 02:20:55 PM  
I have a bayonet for my Mossberg 590, so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.
 
2014-02-21 02:24:23 PM  

Fubini: Case in point, even the military has abandoned bayonet training.


Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-02-21 02:24:32 PM  
It's not the lack of guns, it's the plethora of idiots.

www.opticstalk.com
 
2014-02-21 02:25:13 PM  
Also, for the record the article said that the AR-15 in 5.56x45mm was the superior home-defense weapon to either the shotgun or pistol, unless you were planning on "clearing your house" for which you'd want a .45ACP.

To his credit, he did say "you shouldn't clear your house."
 
2014-02-21 02:25:32 PM  

Fubini: My grandfather was drafted during the Korean war (though thankfully was sent to Germany instead). He was trained to use a bayonet on a M1 Garand, and they were advised that it's very common for the bayonet to become stuck within an opponent's body (e.g. stuck between ribs). The proscribed method for dealing with this situation was to fire the rifle, and the shock would dislodge the bayonet.

Grandpa, observant as he is, asked the instructor why he would have bayonetted a guy if he had any bullets left in the rifle. Grandpa was not well liked.

More on topic, the kind of thinking in TFA (what if someone breaks in... what if I can't find my gun... what if my gun doesn't fire... what if my bayonet breaks... what if my assailant tries to stab me with my own bayonet...) isn't really productive. A gun is only useful in the event of a home invasion while you're at home, the odds of which are already astonishingly low. Then, the odds of a bayonet being useful in that astonishingly rare situation is again very low. I'd imagine it'd be more likely to be a liability, through making the weapon more difficult to handle (most bayonets will add 9-12" of length to a gun), than it would be an advantage in that extremely unlikely situation.

Case in point, even the military has abandoned bayonet training. Knives have even been identified as a liability in combat.

http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-rumor-doctor/the-rumor-doctor-1.104 34 8/has-the-army-eliminated-bayonet-training-1.137356


Meh, it's a psychological thing, for home defense I could see it really farking with someone's head to basically have a gun pointed at them and what amounts to a spear ready to stab them too.
 
2014-02-21 02:26:43 PM  
Does Joe Biden approve?
 
2014-02-21 02:29:05 PM  
Bayonet or not, if you have a gun in your home, it is far more likely to be used to kill yourself, your spouse, or children, or children's friends than to kill an armed intruder.

/'Murica!
 
2014-02-21 02:29:15 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: It's not the lack of guns, it's the plethora of idiots.

[www.opticstalk.com image 523x600]


That pic upsets kity.
 
2014-02-21 02:29:26 PM  
I'm a firearm owner and even I'm rolling my eyes at that emotion-fueled garbage in that blog. Comparing defending a bedroom with a gun to the battle of Thermopylae, what the hell?
 
2014-02-21 02:29:56 PM  
My SKS has a bayonet, so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.
 
2014-02-21 02:30:02 PM  

factoryconnection: Settle down; there wasn't even anything particularly crazy about the column.


"Startled with your finger off the trigger, you accidentally eject the full magazine. "
 
2014-02-21 02:30:13 PM  
If things have broken down to a hand to hand scenario I will rely on my two melee experts to handle things until I can retrieve my Shindaiwa 757 from the garage.  Or just reload.

My two melee experts weigh about 70 pounds apiece and have 4 legs.  If they cant handle an intruder then a bayonet wouldnt have done any good anyways.


Why the fark would you need a bayonet for home defense?  Are you being robbed by chinese communist commando's?  I dont think they should be illegal or anything but its just a stupid argument to even have.
 
2014-02-21 02:30:40 PM  

simkatu: Bayonet or not, if you have a gun in your home, it is far more likely to be used to kill yourself, your spouse, or children, or children's friends than to kill an armed intruder.

/'Murica!



Ha ha!  I'm not married and I don't have kids.
 
2014-02-21 02:32:10 PM  
Well I jsut want a flamethrower to defend myself!
 
2014-02-21 02:32:19 PM  
All the people with this insane bloodlust need to find some sort of medication to take that will calm them down before they hurt someone.
 
2014-02-21 02:33:34 PM  
Little known fact: The word for more than you bayonet is "bayonets" and pronounced like, "mayonnaise".
 
2014-02-21 02:33:44 PM  
4 Legged Melee Experts is the name of my Ted Nugent cover band
 
2014-02-21 02:33:58 PM  

KellyX: Meh, it's a psychological thing, for home defense I could see it really farking with someone's head to basically have a gun pointed at them and what amounts to a spear ready to stab them too.


The problem with that theory is that you should only be pointing a gun at someone's if you've already decided that your only option is to kill them. You're either actively shooting someone to kill them, or you're keeping your gun out of it.

Take the scenario in TFA. What if the person crashing through the house isn't a raging meth addict, but your teenage son who snuck out and got so wasted he found your bedroom instead of his? If you're so amped up on adrenaline that you're pointing the gun at the door, waiting for someone go bust through, you've already decided that you're going to shoot that door the moment that it moves. That's a very bad situation in practice.
 
2014-02-21 02:34:23 PM  

rev. dave: All the people with this insane bloodlust need to find some sort of medication to take that will calm them down before they hurt someone.


A friend of mine was the victim of a home invasion. The men who broke in stripped her, tied her and gagged her and locked her in a closet. They kept threatening to kill her if she made any noise. She was found three days later by her mother.

She now has a gun.

Must be that insane bloodlust.
 
2014-02-21 02:34:26 PM  
www.undeadreport.com
 
2014-02-21 02:34:31 PM  

orclover: If things have broken down to a hand to hand scenario I will rely on my two melee experts to handle things until I can retrieve my Shindaiwa 757 from the garage.  Or just reload.

My two melee experts weigh about 70 pounds apiece and have 4 legs. If they cant handle an intruder then a bayonet wouldnt have done any good anyways.


Why the fark would you need a bayonet for home defense?  Are you being robbed by chinese communist commando's?  I dont think they should be illegal or anything but its just a stupid argument to even have.


Very much this.

In the event of a break-in I would go for my shotgun over the AR, but I seriously doubt I would get a chance to use either.

/3 furry melee weapons, none of them under 90 pounds.
 
2014-02-21 02:34:47 PM  
And by "you" I mean "one".  I can't brain today.
 
2014-02-21 02:36:00 PM  

The_Sponge: Does Joe Biden approve?


That is the real test of responsible gun ownership. ;)
 
2014-02-21 02:36:32 PM  
The_Sponge:simkatu: Bayonet or not, if you have a gun in your home, it is far more likely to be used to kill yourself, your spouse, or children, or children's friends than to kill an armed intruder.

Ha ha!  I'm not married and I don't have kids.


Any more.
 
2014-02-21 02:36:52 PM  

factoryconnection: Settle down; there wasn't even anything particularly crazy about the column.


www.miataturbo.net
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-21 02:37:15 PM  
I still think an M-60 with a RPG round on the muzzle would be a better home defense weapon.
 
2014-02-21 02:37:27 PM  

simkatu: Bayonet or not, if you have a gun in your home, it is far more likely to be used to kill yourself, your spouse, or children, or children's friends than to kill an armed intruder.

/'Murica!


Oh, shut up.
 
2014-02-21 02:37:28 PM  

Nurglitch: [www.undeadreport.com image 644x477]


I so need one of those...
 
2014-02-21 02:37:48 PM  
I have a bayonet on my machete.
 
2014-02-21 02:37:52 PM  
Ok so let me follow the logic.  I buy a home defense shotgun with the shortest possible legal barrel.  This is because a longer barrel is hard to maneuver around corners and narrow hallways.  Also, I don't need the extra accuracy a longer barrel provides.   Now we add 9" to the end of that barrel just in case I want to get all stabby,
 
2014-02-21 02:38:36 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: It's not the lack of guns, it's the plethora of idiots.

[www.opticstalk.com image 523x600]


what contumacious fark is/was that?
 
2014-02-21 02:38:53 PM  

simkatu: Bayonet or not, if you have a gun in your home, it is far more likely to be used to kill yourself, your spouse, or children, or children's friends than to kill an armed intruder.

/'Murica!


I tried shooting deer with a slingshot but it really just annoyed the shiat out of them.  And flicking rocks into paper at the range got old fast.  Guess i'm just going to have to let my family shoot each other for my food and entertainment.  Oh bother.

I tried taking my chainsaw to the range but it just made the rangemaster really really nervous.
 
2014-02-21 02:39:19 PM  
1911 at the bedside w/ cell phone and a flash light.

FN-FAL near the front door in case things happen outside.

But then, I live in the country ... if I were urban it would be a shotgun instead of the FAL
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-21 02:39:37 PM  
KellyX:

Meh, it's a psychological thing, for home defense I could see it really farking with someone's head to basically have a gun pointed at them and what amounts to a spear ready to stab them too.

I'll bet they would be so frightened that they would prefer to shoot you first rather than let you have a shot at them with that thing.
 
2014-02-21 02:39:42 PM  

bark_atda_moon: Ok so let me follow the logic.  I buy a home defense shotgun with the shortest possible legal barrel.  This is because a longer barrel is hard to maneuver around corners and narrow hallways.  Also, I don't need the extra accuracy a longer barrel provides.   Now we add 9" to the end of that barrel just in case I want to get all stabby,


Basically

And I like the use of stabby as a verb
 
2014-02-21 02:39:47 PM  
I get all my home defense ideas from Borderlands 2.
 
2014-02-21 02:40:08 PM  
What do you think, am I being paranoid? Or is adding a bayonet just too much for a home defense gun?

Your loved ones are more threatened with cancer, heart disease, alcoholism, et al than a crackhead breaking into your home. If you devoted even 1/10th the time towards early medical screening that you give to arming yourself you could probably save your family and/or yourself from a preventable death.

It's a hobby, not a salvation.
 
2014-02-21 02:40:16 PM  

bark_atda_moon: I buy a home defense shotgun with the shortest possible legal barrel.


Park a 10" barrel on it and swap it out with a legal one if you ever had to use it, after the shooting.
 
2014-02-21 02:41:22 PM  
i need landmines and drones to protect my house... from things like... stray cats, zombies, stuff...
 
2014-02-21 02:41:44 PM  
I understand that some people feel the need to be armed in order to protect their family. As unlikely as it is, home invasion does occur, and if it's something that concerns you, you might get some relief by keeping guns at home.

I do wonder sometimes, how many people who feel strongly about defending their family from home invasion spend a proportionately greater amount of time and resources on the safety of their car and its operation. Given that death in a motor vehicle accident is statistically more likely than death by home intruder, you'd want to assume people are really shelling out for regular maintenance and inspections, and driving as safely as possible.
 
x23
2014-02-21 02:41:45 PM  
the 'hero' in his weird masturbatory murder fantasy sounds like someone that shouldn't own a gun in the first place. if you are accidentally ejecting magazines and are legitimately worried about "stabby the crackhead" busting into your home you might not be the type of person that should own an AR-15.

get a dog you clumsy paranoiac.
 
2014-02-21 02:43:03 PM  
You'd need a bayonet lug to mount that on, and any gun with a bayonet lug is a scary assault AK-747 automatic Glock that should be illegal.
 
2014-02-21 02:43:32 PM  

KellyX: Fubini: My grandfather was drafted during the Korean war (though thankfully was sent to Germany instead). He was trained to use a bayonet on a M1 Garand, and they were advised that it's very common for the bayonet to become stuck within an opponent's body (e.g. stuck between ribs). The proscribed method for dealing with this situation was to fire the rifle, and the shock would dislodge the bayonet.

Grandpa, observant as he is, asked the instructor why he would have bayonetted a guy if he had any bullets left in the rifle. Grandpa was not well liked.

More on topic, the kind of thinking in TFA (what if someone breaks in... what if I can't find my gun... what if my gun doesn't fire... what if my bayonet breaks... what if my assailant tries to stab me with my own bayonet...) isn't really productive. A gun is only useful in the event of a home invasion while you're at home, the odds of which are already astonishingly low. Then, the odds of a bayonet being useful in that astonishingly rare situation is again very low. I'd imagine it'd be more likely to be a liability, through making the weapon more difficult to handle (most bayonets will add 9-12" of length to a gun), than it would be an advantage in that extremely unlikely situation.

Case in point, even the military has abandoned bayonet training. Knives have even been identified as a liability in combat.

http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-rumor-doctor/the-rumor-doctor-1.104 34 8/has-the-army-eliminated-bayonet-training-1.137356

Meh, it's a psychological thing, for home defense I could see it really farking with someone's head to basically have a gun pointed at them and what amounts to a spear ready to stab them too.


THIS

still a bayonet isnt all that necessary.
 
2014-02-21 02:43:59 PM  
i1.ytimg.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-21 02:44:20 PM  

bikerbob59: simkatu: Bayonet or not, if you have a gun in your home, it is far more likely to be used to kill yourself, your spouse, or children, or children's friends than to kill an armed intruder.

/'Murica!

Oh, shut up.


Especially if Bikerbob59 has it.
 
2014-02-21 02:44:28 PM  
If you need a bayonet for a shotgun, you're using that shotgun wrong.
 
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