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(West Kentucky Star)   Illinois man charged with stabbing death at gun club. You're doing it wrong   (westkentuckystar.com) divider line 66
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2014-02-21 12:07:47 PM
Yup, ironic tag on break.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-21 12:37:03 PM
If only they had something at that sort of club that would allow someone to defend themselves?
 
2014-02-21 01:18:46 PM
Huh. Guess you CAN bring a knife to a gun fight ...
 
2014-02-21 02:00:24 PM
Serves Death right for hanging out at a gun club.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-21 02:07:45 PM
He didn't want to be the bad guy with a gun surrounded by good guys with guns.

/DNRTFA
 
2014-02-21 02:23:33 PM
It's because there was no good guy with a knife.
 
2014-02-21 02:26:56 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
They bring a gun, you bring a knife, that's the Mount Vernon way!
 
2014-02-21 02:40:13 PM
memeorama.com
 
2014-02-21 03:10:10 PM

Ennuipoet: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 373x160]
They bring a gun, you bring a knife, that's the Mount Vernon way!


i1.ytimg.com

You got the knife, I got the gun,
come on boy, gonna have a little fun
I'm a jealous man,
I'd die for love...

/Chips are falling!
 
2014-02-21 03:16:13 PM
See! Gun control works!
 
2014-02-21 03:16:15 PM
That's not too far south of here.
 
2014-02-21 03:21:56 PM
Was it with a home defense shotgun's bayonet?
 
2014-02-21 03:24:33 PM
I wonder if the suspect regrets omitting a shotgun attachment to beat the victim over the head with.
 
2014-02-21 03:24:37 PM
How humiliating would it be to be the guy who got stabbed to death at the gun club?
 
2014-02-21 03:26:09 PM
I grew up in Mt. Vernon, the establishment in question is more of a bar that hosts shooting events than a traditional gun club.  Having lived within 10 minutes drive of this location, I can sum up the argument pretty easily.

Drunk Redneck A: "You tried to dance with my wife!!!"

Drunk Redneck B:"Your wife!?!?! I thought that was my horse!!!"

Drunk Redneck A: "What'd you say about my wife!!!!"
 
2014-02-21 03:27:12 PM

HawgWild: Huh. Guess you CAN bring a knife to a gun fight ...


When they train cops to deal with knifes; the trainers say that a guy with a knife within 20 feet of a guy with a gun can kill the guy with the gun. If you think about it; most fit adults can run 20 feet in 3 to 5 seconds; some are even faster.


/ Granted, the mama Boo Boos of the world is probably come in around the 10-12 second mark.
 
2014-02-21 03:27:26 PM
He wasn't "doing it wrong", responsible gun owners use knives to kill people.
 
2014-02-21 03:29:51 PM
So when do we ban knives?
 
2014-02-21 03:29:52 PM

mod3072: How humiliating would it be to be the guy who got stabbed to death at the gun club?


I guess they should bury him with his firearm. He'll get just as much use of it now.
 
2014-02-21 03:32:09 PM

abhorrent1: So when do we ban knives?




Don't forget fruit. What if someone came at you with a banana?
 
2014-02-21 03:33:39 PM
The Sick Puppies need to rewrite their song for more than one reason now.
 
2014-02-21 03:33:48 PM

tylerdurden217: mod3072: How humiliating would it be to be the guy who got stabbed to death at the gun club?

I guess they should bury him with his firearm. He'll get just as much use of it now.


At least if he died with his gun in his hands he can go to Gunhalla and feast, drink, and shoot with Charleton Heston and someday Ted Nugent.
 
2014-02-21 03:35:56 PM
Is that gun club etiquette? IDK Maybe he was doing the polite thing.
 
2014-02-21 03:38:41 PM

Manism582: I grew up in Mt. Vernon,


I'm sorry.

/I keed, I keed.  Not much different here a couple hours north of Mt. Vernon
 
2014-02-21 03:40:50 PM
Still waiting for that story about a man who gets stabbed with a spork at a knife club.

When it happens, it will happen in Illinois.
 
2014-02-21 03:44:51 PM

Rickenbacker: Manism582: I grew up in Mt. Vernon,

I'm sorry.

/I keed, I keed.  Not much different here a couple hours north of Mt. Vernon


There's a reason I moved away for college and didn't go back...
 
2014-02-21 03:45:24 PM

mod3072: How humiliating would it be to be the guy who got stabbed to death at the gun club?


Humiliated him to death!! I thought teenagers were just being dramatic....
 
2014-02-21 03:48:05 PM
HawgWild: Huh. Guess you CAN bring a knife to a gun fight ...

This.

If he's charged, that would mean he survived, despite bringing a knife to a gun club.  If that's not Winning, I don't know what is.

Subby should hang himself.
 
2014-02-21 03:49:40 PM
If I remember correctly, in Illinois, you may not carry a loaded gun in public, or something to that effect. the incident happened outside the club (a non-public place where, presumably, one could possess a loaded weapon). So it makes sense, from a legal standpoint, that the responsible gun-owner in that parking lot, faced with a knife-armed attacker, is at a clear disadvantage.

Also, what's up with three counts he was charged with? He killed one person...
 
2014-02-21 03:52:29 PM

iheartscotch: HawgWild: Huh. Guess you CAN bring a knife to a gun fight ...

When they train cops to deal with knifes; the trainers say that a guy with a knife within 20 feet of a guy with a gun can kill the guy with the gun. If you think about it; most fit adults can run 20 feet in 3 to 5 seconds; some are even faster.


/ Granted, the mama Boo Boos of the world is probably come in around the 10-12 second mark.


Originally came in to make a joke about responsible knife ownership. Then I read your comment and was reminded of some police training my dad shared when I was a kid. Police (back in the day, at least) were trained to respect a knife at close range. They can be deadly when used by the right person, or by a lucky wrong person. Guns can be slightly less useful at those ranges and if it is your only tool, you're gonna have a bad day.
 
2014-02-21 04:02:19 PM

mod3072: How humiliating would it be to be the guy who got stabbed to death at the gun club?


Well, since he's dead, not very.
 
2014-02-21 04:04:08 PM

BetterMetalSnake: iheartscotch: HawgWild: Huh. Guess you CAN bring a knife to a gun fight ...

When they train cops to deal with knifes; the trainers say that a guy with a knife within 20 feet of a guy with a gun can kill the guy with the gun. If you think about it; most fit adults can run 20 feet in 3 to 5 seconds; some are even faster.


/ Granted, the mama Boo Boos of the world is probably come in around the 10-12 second mark.

Originally came in to make a joke about responsible knife ownership. Then I read your comment and was reminded of some police training my dad shared when I was a kid. Police (back in the day, at least) were trained to respect a knife at close range. They can be deadly when used by the right person, or by a lucky wrong person. Guns can be slightly less useful at those ranges and if it is your only tool, you're gonna have a bad day.


Yep, and Kevlar isn't meant to stop blades. Or arrows, or crossbow bolts; granted, if we're talking about a box cutter then Kevlar is somewhat helpful; but, an actual blade will go right through Kevlar.

/ bladed weapons are a lot more deadly than people think
 
2014-02-21 04:04:58 PM
A gun is a ranged weapon. A knife is a melee weapon. If someone is threatening with a knife hoping to rob a victim, there will be time to draw, aim and fire a handgun. If killing a victim without hesitation was the stabber's goal, he will have the knife in a victim's gut, and turned so the cut can't close before almost anyone would have time to draw and point. This is especially so if the man with the gun has a rifle, and the man with the knife is already on him.

This article does not mention robbery as a motive, so it was probably a pre-meditated act with no hesitation.
 
WGJ
2014-02-21 04:09:31 PM
Killed him 3 times?
 
2014-02-21 04:11:49 PM
This is why I spend hours each week practicing my knifemanship.  While lesser men would cower in face face of an attacker, I fall back on the time I've put in at the dagger range to keep me safe.  To protect myself, I carry a concealed cleaver on my person at all times.
 
2014-02-21 04:13:17 PM

Manism582: Rickenbacker: Manism582: I grew up in Mt. Vernon,

I'm sorry.

/I keed, I keed.  Not much different here a couple hours north of Mt. Vernon

There's a reason I moved away for college and didn't go back...


And apparently moved far enough not to get sucked back in!  My mistake was not getting far enough away.  It's like a whirlpool.

Someone mentioned Illinois gun laws.  Concealed carry is legal, as of July 2013.
 
2014-02-21 04:15:01 PM

BetterMetalSnake: iheartscotch: HawgWild: Huh. Guess you CAN bring a knife to a gun fight ...

When they train cops to deal with knifes; the trainers say that a guy with a knife within 20 feet of a guy with a gun can kill the guy with the gun. If you think about it; most fit adults can run 20 feet in 3 to 5 seconds; some are even faster.


/ Granted, the mama Boo Boos of the world is probably come in around the 10-12 second mark.

Originally came in to make a joke about responsible knife ownership. Then I read your comment and was reminded of some police training my dad shared when I was a kid. Police (back in the day, at least) were trained to respect a knife at close range. They can be deadly when used by the right person, or by a lucky wrong person. Guns can be slightly less useful at those ranges and if it is your only tool, you're gonna have a bad day.


It's called the "Tueller Drill".

Basically, if someone is inside a certain radius, usually given as 21 feet, you can't unholster, present, and fire a handgun before that person, armed with a knife, could stab you.
 
2014-02-21 04:15:02 PM
If we didn't have all these stupid knife control laws, a good guy with a knife would have been able to stop him.
 
2014-02-21 04:16:41 PM

Rickenbacker: Manism582: Rickenbacker: Manism582: I grew up in Mt. Vernon,

I'm sorry.

/I keed, I keed.  Not much different here a couple hours north of Mt. Vernon

There's a reason I moved away for college and didn't go back...

And apparently moved far enough not to get sucked back in!  My mistake was not getting far enough away.  It's like a whirlpool.

Someone mentioned Illinois gun laws.  Concealed carry is legal, as of July 2013.


In fact, Illinois was the last "No Issue" state left.

As of now, something like 2/3rds of the people in the US live in "Shall Issue" states.
 
2014-02-21 04:19:59 PM

dittybopper: BetterMetalSnake: iheartscotch: HawgWild: Huh. Guess you CAN bring a knife to a gun fight ...

When they train cops to deal with knifes; the trainers say that a guy with a knife within 20 feet of a guy with a gun can kill the guy with the gun. If you think about it; most fit adults can run 20 feet in 3 to 5 seconds; some are even faster.


/ Granted, the mama Boo Boos of the world is probably come in around the 10-12 second mark.

Originally came in to make a joke about responsible knife ownership. Then I read your comment and was reminded of some police training my dad shared when I was a kid. Police (back in the day, at least) were trained to respect a knife at close range. They can be deadly when used by the right person, or by a lucky wrong person. Guns can be slightly less useful at those ranges and if it is your only tool, you're gonna have a bad day.

It's called the "Tueller Drill".

Basically, if someone is inside a certain radius, usually given as 21 feet, you can't unholster, present, and fire a handgun before that person, armed with a knife, could stab you.


What luck.  I have my hilarious Canadian Police knife training video.  NSFW language:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-326WnWwWE

img.gawkerassets.com
Christ, I'm olmohost hooome.  Why don'choo let me gohhh?
 
2014-02-21 04:20:52 PM
macdaddy357
2014-02-21 04:04:58 PM


A gun is a ranged weapon. A knife is a melee weapon. If someone is threatening with a knife hoping to rob a victim, there will be time to draw, aim and fire a handgun. If killing a victim without hesitation was the stabber's goal, he will have the knife in a victim's gut, and turned so the cut can't close before almost anyone would have time to draw and point. This is especially so if the man with the gun has a rifle, and the man with the knife is already on him.

This article does not mention robbery as a motive, so it was probably a pre-meditated act with no hesitation.

But that won't stop the idiots here who know nothing about defense or firearms spewing their derp.
 
2014-02-21 04:21:48 PM
Never bring a gun to a knife fight.
 
2014-02-21 04:24:00 PM
He didn't want to be banned from the gun club.  They have rules, you know.
 
2014-02-21 04:27:26 PM

trappedspirit: He didn't want to be banned from the gun club.  They have rules, you know.


So they are not like a war-torn SE Asian country then?
 
2014-02-21 04:32:58 PM

Rapmaster2000: dittybopper: BetterMetalSnake: iheartscotch: HawgWild: Huh. Guess you CAN bring a knife to a gun fight ...

When they train cops to deal with knifes; the trainers say that a guy with a knife within 20 feet of a guy with a gun can kill the guy with the gun. If you think about it; most fit adults can run 20 feet in 3 to 5 seconds; some are even faster.


/ Granted, the mama Boo Boos of the world is probably come in around the 10-12 second mark.

Originally came in to make a joke about responsible knife ownership. Then I read your comment and was reminded of some police training my dad shared when I was a kid. Police (back in the day, at least) were trained to respect a knife at close range. They can be deadly when used by the right person, or by a lucky wrong person. Guns can be slightly less useful at those ranges and if it is your only tool, you're gonna have a bad day.

It's called the "Tueller Drill".

Basically, if someone is inside a certain radius, usually given as 21 feet, you can't unholster, present, and fire a handgun before that person, armed with a knife, could stab you.

What luck.  I have my hilarious Canadian Police knife training video.  NSFW language:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-326WnWwWE

[img.gawkerassets.com image 320x204]
Christ, I'm olmohost hooome.  Why don'choo let me gohhh?


Thank you for that laugh.
 
2014-02-21 04:37:02 PM
maybe he was stabbed by a bayonet attached to a shotgun. Bet you didn't think of that huh subby? you think you're soo smart and so quick to jump to conclusions!
 
2014-02-21 04:42:00 PM
So much for the NEW Stabby and Blammy Show
 
2014-02-21 04:46:06 PM

OnlyM3: But that won't stop the idiots here who know nothing about defense or firearms spewing their derp.


It's not like you know anything, about anything, Mr.  I-know-I'll-post-totally-untrue-things-and-run.
 
2014-02-21 04:54:30 PM

dittybopper: BetterMetalSnake: iheartscotch: HawgWild: Huh. Guess you CAN bring a knife to a gun fight ...

When they train cops to deal with knifes; the trainers say that a guy with a knife within 20 feet of a guy with a gun can kill the guy with the gun. If you think about it; most fit adults can run 20 feet in 3 to 5 seconds; some are even faster.


/ Granted, the mama Boo Boos of the world is probably come in around the 10-12 second mark.

Originally came in to make a joke about responsible knife ownership. Then I read your comment and was reminded of some police training my dad shared when I was a kid. Police (back in the day, at least) were trained to respect a knife at close range. They can be deadly when used by the right person, or by a lucky wrong person. Guns can be slightly less useful at those ranges and if it is your only tool, you're gonna have a bad day.

It's called the "Tueller Drill".

Basically, if someone is inside a certain radius, usually given as 21 feet, you can't unholster, present, and fire a handgun before that person, armed with a knife, could stab you.


And now I've learned something. I wonder what this new knowledge has displaced.

/where's my phone?
 
2014-02-21 04:55:59 PM

Rickenbacker: Manism582: Rickenbacker: Manism582: I grew up in Mt. Vernon,

I'm sorry.

/I keed, I keed.  Not much different here a couple hours north of Mt. Vernon

There's a reason I moved away for college and didn't go back...

And apparently moved far enough not to get sucked back in!  My mistake was not getting far enough away.  It's like a whirlpool.

Someone mentioned Illinois gun laws.  Concealed carry is legal, as of July 2013.


the law prohibiting concealed carry is gone, but as far as I know, the new necessary classes to qualify for concealed carry didn't start until Jan, and are still in session, so no new Illinois concealed carriers yet.
 
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