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2014-02-21 12:11:00 PM
Every time conservatives think, they tank.
 
2014-02-21 12:11:21 PM
He's more "Jesus" than you are, I guess...
 
2014-02-21 12:11:56 PM
big hitter, the lama...
 
2014-02-21 12:14:59 PM
He's just showing Obummer how to Actually work with others and be a little self righteous, while screwing everything else up.
 
2014-02-21 12:16:04 PM
A divine right monarch hanging out with the wealthy? Yes, that is weird.
 
2014-02-21 12:16:17 PM
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-02-21 12:16:51 PM
Yes, anyone who doesn't agree with everything exactly how we say it is bad.

// Tired of shills
 
2014-02-21 12:17:56 PM
Yeah, but does he topple Lenin statues?
 
2014-02-21 12:19:21 PM
They bonded over their mutual disgust about teh gheys.
 
2014-02-21 12:20:23 PM
Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.
 
2014-02-21 12:21:27 PM
They want him to put in a good word for them with... uh... um.
 
2014-02-21 12:22:17 PM
The difference is the republicans won't force him out the trash door like zero did.

.. and if you want to derp about lobbyists feel free hypocrites. :)
Obama slams lobbyists, then hires a lobbyist to help promote Obamacare
 
2014-02-21 12:23:29 PM
www.twincreeksllamas.com
Lama dolly
 
2014-02-21 12:27:47 PM
Nary a jot of enlightenment was achieved that day.
 
2014-02-21 12:29:14 PM

htomc: Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.


Yeah, that bit has always irked me a lot. Has she shied away from it at all lately or is he still pretty not cool with the gay folks?
 
2014-02-21 12:29:16 PM

naptapper: Yes, anyone who doesn't agree with everything exactly how we say it is bad.

// Tired of shills


We have a lot of myrmidons that argue like they are getting paid for it, which I hope they are.
 
2014-02-21 12:29:47 PM

russsssman: He's just showing Obummer how to Actually work with others and be a little self righteous, while screwing everything else up.


Jaw. Dropped.

You're really accusing Obama of being unwilling to work with others? His efforts to work with politicians who clearly just want to obstruct the N---er in the White House until he leaves (preferably through the servants' door) is the primary reason so much of his agenda has been stalled for six years.

shiate, had it been me, I'd have given up four years ago, opened up that marvelous gift for oration he's been keeping hidden, and bully pulpited the f*ck out of everyone and steamrolled those (Tea Partiers) who didn't get out of the way.

And I'll tell you what: the Republican leadership would have let him. They're terrified of the Tea Party and would love to see it sink. They know that the TP minority is making the whole party look like wingnuts, but are afraid to cut 'em loose because there are just enough wingnuts in their base to split off into a third party, guaranteeing that Dems sweep elections for years to come.

Oh, and BTW? Nice troll, man. 8/10....
 
2014-02-21 12:31:21 PM

htomc: Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.


Did I miss something? Is the DL anti-gay?
 
2014-02-21 12:31:24 PM

htomc: Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.


He's held some apparently contradictory stances on homosexuality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama#Sexuality


In a 1994 interview with OUT Magazine, the Dalai Lama clarified his personal opinion on the matter by saying, "If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say, 'If two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay.'"[76] However, when interviewed by Canadian TV news anchor Evan Solomon on CBC News: Sunday about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable in Buddhism, the Dalai Lama responded that "it is sexual misconduct".[77]

And this is the confusing part for me:

In his 1996 book Beyond Dogma, he described a traditional Buddhist definition of an appropriate sexual act as follows: "A sexual act is deemed proper when the couples use the organs intended for sexual intercourse and nothing else... Homosexuality, whether it is between men or between women, is not improper in itself. What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact." He elaborated in 1997, explaining that the basis of that teaching was unknown to him. He also conveyed his own "willingness to consider the possibility that some of the teachings may be specific to a particular cultural and historic context".

Seems that this would mean he's against non-reproductive sex in general, or something? But doesn't look like he's the type who would condemn gays to hell, or call on his followers to vote for anti-gay legislation, as far as I could tell.
 
2014-02-21 12:32:16 PM
I'm sure he got paid.  My university paid him $500,000 to fly in on his monstrous private jet and give a speech on achieving happiness.
 
2014-02-21 12:33:24 PM
He'll take a paycheck from anyone.
 
2014-02-21 12:33:34 PM
OnlyM3:
.. and if you want to derp about lobbyists feel free hypocrites. :)
Obama slams lobbyists, then hires a lobbyist to help promote Obamacare


I love the lack of thinking here. More than just Obama supporters hate lobbyists.
 
2014-02-21 12:36:48 PM

WanPhat: I'm sure he got paid.  My university paid him $500,000 to fly in on his monstrous private jet and give a speech on achieving happiness.


Did he just hold up the check and say "Money can't buy happiness, but it sure does help" and walked off?
 
2014-02-21 12:37:21 PM
"scary" tag? submitard is truly an ass.

/no mention of gays anywhere in the article - so where are the comments here coming from?
// oh wait ... we're on Fark ...
 
2014-02-21 12:37:38 PM
Absolutely sure that none of the commenters here so far actually read the article.
 
2014-02-21 12:38:57 PM
"Today, I developed more respect for capitalism," the Dalai Lama said. "It was my impression that in capitalism, you only take the money, then exploitation."

I though that WAS Capitalism?
 
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2014-02-21 12:39:09 PM
Are lobbyists sentient beings?
 
2014-02-21 12:39:16 PM

brimed03: htomc: Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.

Did I miss something? Is the DL anti-gay?


It seems to change depending on what audeince he's speaking to, but, yes, he largely comes across as pretty homophobic, and is on record as believing that homosexual sex is against nature and is spiritually damaging human behavior.
 
2014-02-21 12:40:47 PM
"THE DALAI CLIQUE OF CRIMINALS NATURALLY GRAVITATE TO ASSOCIATE WITH RUNNING DOG EXPLOITERS AND COUNTER REVOLUTIONARIES, blah blah blah"

Thanks China. Go back to pimping your workforce to our corporations for hard currency and giving communism a bad name. Everyone is well aware that if you didn't rely on our apathy about human rights to be allowed to suck our cash cock, you would have systematically murdered every single Tibetan by now.
 
2014-02-21 12:41:30 PM
torusXL
"Absolutely sure that none of the commenters here so far actually read the article."

That has never been an impediment before. The ignorance of facts is what makes this place so interesting......
 
2014-02-21 12:42:23 PM

WanPhat: I'm sure he got paid.  My university paid him $500,000 to fly in on his monstrous private jet and give a speech on achieving happiness.


In Obama's USSSRA, lobbyists pay YOU
 
2014-02-21 12:42:28 PM

OnlyM3: The difference is the republicans won't force him out the trash door like zero did.

.. and if you want to derp about lobbyists feel free hypocrites. :)
Obama slams lobbyists, then hires a lobbyist to help promote Obamacare


Get back to the Politics tab, you.
 
2014-02-21 12:43:46 PM
What the article fails to mention is that afterwards he told an aide that he needed a shower, kicked a dog through a hedge, drank a fifth of gin, and banged 3 hookers.

/The more you know.
 
2014-02-21 12:44:33 PM

Arkanaut: htomc: Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.

He's held some apparently contradictory stances on homosexuality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama#Sexuality


In a 1994 interview with OUT Magazine, the Dalai Lama clarified his personal opinion on the matter by saying, "If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say, 'If two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay.'"[76] However, when interviewed by Canadian TV news anchor Evan Solomon on CBC News: Sunday about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable in Buddhism, the Dalai Lama responded that "it is sexual misconduct".[77]

And this is the confusing part for me:

In his 1996 book Beyond Dogma, he described a traditional Buddhist definition of an appropriate sexual act as follows: "A sexual act is deemed proper when the couples use the organs intended for sexual intercourse and nothing else... Homosexuality, whether it is between men or between women, is not improper in itself. What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact." He elaborated in 1997, explaining that the basis of that teaching was unknown to him. He also conveyed his own "willingness to consider the possibility that some of the teachings may be specific to a particular cultural and historic context".

Seems that this would mean he's against non-reproductive sex in general, or something? But doesn't look like he's the type who would condemn gays to hell, or call on his followers to vote for anti-gay legislation, as far as I could tell.


It's a bit nuanced but it's not contradictory.

In the first instance he was asked, "Is homosexuality okay?"
In the second instance he was asked, "Is homosexuality okay in Buddhism?"

HIs response is along the lines of, "We're okay with it in general, but if you're going to devote your life to pursue Buddhism you have to understand it's quite a commitment"

Or another way to put it: Buddhism has a very long tradition of having a very clear line between the clergy and the laiety.
 
2014-02-21 12:46:24 PM

Arkanaut: htomc: Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.

He's held some apparently contradictory stances on homosexuality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama#Sexuality


In a 1994 interview with OUT Magazine, the Dalai Lama clarified his personal opinion on the matter by saying, "If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say, 'If two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay.'"[76] However, when interviewed by Canadian TV news anchor Evan Solomon on CBC News: Sunday about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable in Buddhism, the Dalai Lama responded that "it is sexual misconduct".[77]

And this is the confusing part for me:

In his 1996 book  Beyond Dogma, he described a traditional Buddhist definition of an appropriate sexual act as follows: "A sexual act is deemed proper when the couples use the organs intended for sexual intercourse and nothing else... Homosexuality, whether it is between men or between women, is not improper in itself. What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact." He elaborated in 1997, explaining that the basis of that teaching was unknown to him. He also conveyed his own "willingness to consider the possibility that some of the teachings may be specific to a particular cultural and historic context".

Seems that this would mean he's against non-reproductive sex in general, or something? But doesn't look like he's the type who would condemn gays to hell, or call on his followers to vote for anti-gay legislation, as far as I could tell.


These are the key parts to me.  One, that he's clearly engaging in questions of the modern world, going "beyond" dogma and not merely reciting it.  Two, that he has stated an understanding that "dogma" may be biased by the context of time and place, and should be revisited and reconsidered.  In other words, despite a lifetime of teaching, the guy is trying to keep an open mind.
 
2014-02-21 12:47:42 PM

Road Rash: "scary" tag? submitard is truly an ass.

/no mention of gays anywhere in the article - so where are the comments here coming from?
// oh wait ... we're on Fark ...


The Dalai Lama hasn't come out and said "Buddhism loves gays, yay for gays", so apparently that makes him Pat Robertson in ugly spectacles. I mean, its a millennia-old religion from a time when having lots of children was essential, of course it has old beliefs discouraging homosexuality. I don't know what non-Buddhists expect Buddhism to be, exactly.
 
2014-02-21 12:48:41 PM

Trucker: What the article fails to mention is that afterwards he told an aide that he needed a shower, kicked a dog through a hedge, drank a fifth of gin, and banged 3 hookers.

/The more you know.


He was compassionately trying to help three women work their way through college.
 
2014-02-21 12:49:08 PM
error 303:
It seems to change depending on what audeince he's speaking to, but, yes, he largely comes across as pretty homophobic, and is on record as believing that homosexual sex is against nature and is spiritually damaging human behavior.

It seems to be the idea that sex for anything other than procreation is against Buddhist teaching, as sex doesn't offer any lasting happiness and mucks up the search for lasting peace.

I'm not sure anyone else really considers him homophobic judging by the places you can find his press release...

http://ilga.org/ilga/en/article/782
 
2014-02-21 12:50:28 PM

Arkanaut: Seems that this would mean he's against non-reproductive sex in general, or something? But doesn't look like he's the type who would condemn gays to hell, or call on his followers to vote for anti-gay legislation, as far as I could tell.


In your first paragraph, the Lama seems to be saying that when people ask "Is homosexuality objectively wrong?" the Lama'd say "No," but if they asked "Is homosexuality proscribed by Buddhism?" he'd have to say "Yes." Buddhism is a very old set of philosophies, so it's entirely possible more socially conservative leaders prohibited it.

The second appears to draw a distinction between "sexual organs" and "nonsexual organs" and that only the former are to be used during "proper" sex. Which makes me wonder - are lips, mouths, tongues, hands, breasts, thighs, feet (which skeeves me out, but you can g'head), etc sexual organs or not, and does the Lama just expect sex to be no-kissing, penis-goes-THERE-[pumppumppumppumppumppump]-snore sex?

// the largest sex organ is the brain
// well, on people not as well-hung as I, anyway
 
2014-02-21 12:53:53 PM
Gays are upset because their sexual preferences are disapproved of by some people; they say "Stay out of my bedroom" and "It's  no one else's business". Then why bring up their sexuality at all? If they want some things to be private, why do they insist on telling the world? George Takei did'nt feel it necessary to come out until a few years back; did his being demure cause him trauma? "Coming out" is the trendy new fad for Hollywood (see Anne Heche).
 
2014-02-21 12:54:11 PM

Arkanaut: htomc: Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.

He's held some apparently contradictory stances on homosexuality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama#Sexuality


In a 1994 interview with OUT Magazine, the Dalai Lama clarified his personal opinion on the matter by saying, "If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say, 'If two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay.'"[76] However, when interviewed by Canadian TV news anchor Evan Solomon on CBC News: Sunday about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable in Buddhism, the Dalai Lama responded that "it is sexual misconduct".[77]

And this is the confusing part for me:

In his 1996 book Beyond Dogma, he described a traditional Buddhist definition of an appropriate sexual act as follows: "A sexual act is deemed proper when the couples use the organs intended for sexual intercourse and nothing else... Homosexuality, whether it is between men or between women, is not improper in itself. What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact." He elaborated in 1997, explaining that the basis of that teaching was unknown to him. He also conveyed his own "willingness to consider the possibility that some of the teachings may be specific to a particular cultural and historic context".

Seems that this would mean he's against non-reproductive sex in general, or something? But doesn't look like he's the type who would condemn gays to hell, or call on his followers to vote for anti-gay legislation, as far as I could tell.


To me it would seem that he is fine with homosexuality, you just can't be a Buddhist at the same time.
 
2014-02-21 12:54:37 PM
He also told them all there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness
 
2014-02-21 12:55:01 PM

Arkanaut: htomc: Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.

He's held some apparently contradictory stances on homosexuality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama#Sexuality


In a 1994 interview with OUT Magazine, the Dalai Lama clarified his personal opinion on the matter by saying, "If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say, 'If two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay.'"[76] However, when interviewed by Canadian TV news anchor Evan Solomon on CBC News: Sunday about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable in Buddhism, the Dalai Lama responded that "it is sexual misconduct".[77]

And this is the confusing part for me:

In his 1996 book Beyond Dogma, he described a traditional Buddhist definition of an appropriate sexual act as follows: "A sexual act is deemed proper when the couples use the organs intended for sexual intercourse and nothing else... Homosexuality, whether it is between men or between women, is not improper in itself. What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact." He elaborated in 1997, explaining that the basis of that teaching was unknown to him. He also conveyed his own "willingness to consider the possibility that some of the teachings may be specific to a particular cultural and historic context".

Seems that this would mean he's against non-reproductive sex in general, or something? But doesn't look like he's the type who would condemn gays to hell, or call on his followers to vote for anti-gay legislation, as far as I could tell.


Buddhism teaches that the ultimate goal of the seeker is to achieve non-attachment from the material world, and a release from the Great Wheel of Being and the cycle of reincarnation.  As such, a renouncing of earthly pleasures is to be sought after.  Thus monks, who are generally considered to be ending their incantation cycles are usually both celibate and vegetarian. Therefore as a general principle, "plain vanilla" Buddhism frowns on sex for pleasure, while reluctantly realizing reproductive sex is necessary to continue the reincarnation cycle for lesser beings.   As such they would be generally against any sex for pleasure in much the same way the Medieval church was  (which is to say technically, but with one eye winking at reality)

But what about Tantra?   Well that is a VERY complicated answer, but the short form is A) Tantra ain;t what a bunch of new-age hippies in the US seem to think it is and B) Buddhism has lots of cultural accommodations that conflict with its central theology as it tended to absorb native religions in places it spread to in much the same way the Catholic church did
 
2014-02-21 12:55:47 PM
Archie Goodwin:

To me it would seem that he is fine with homosexuality, you just can't be a Buddhist monk at the same time.

FTFY
 
2014-02-21 12:55:52 PM

Arkanaut: In a 1994 interview with OUT Magazine, the Dalai Lama clarified his personal opinion on the matter by saying, "If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say, 'If two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay.'"[76] However, when interviewed by Canadian TV news anchor Evan Solomon on CBC News: Sunday about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable in Buddhism, the Dalai Lama responded that "it is sexual misconduct".[77]


@ different questions. One was is being gay wrong in and of itself. The other related specifically to Buddism. Most religions say its wrong however people hold opinions that differ from person to person so i wouldn't tie him to a stake and burn him over that.
 
2014-02-21 12:57:30 PM

brimed03: Arkanaut: htomc: Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.

He's held some apparently contradictory stances on homosexuality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama#Sexuality


In a 1994 interview with OUT Magazine, the Dalai Lama clarified his personal opinion on the matter by saying, "If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say, 'If two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay.'"[76] However, when interviewed by Canadian TV news anchor Evan Solomon on CBC News: Sunday about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable in Buddhism, the Dalai Lama responded that "it is sexual misconduct".[77]

And this is the confusing part for me:

In his 1996 book  Beyond Dogma, he described a traditional Buddhist definition of an appropriate sexual act as follows: "A sexual act is deemed proper when the couples use the organs intended for sexual intercourse and nothing else... Homosexuality, whether it is between men or between women, is not improper in itself. What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact." He elaborated in 1997, explaining that the basis of that teaching was unknown to him. He also conveyed his own "willingness to consider the possibility that some of the teachings may be specific to a particular cultural and historic context".

Seems that this would mean he's against non-reproductive sex in general, or something? But doesn't look like he's the type who would condemn gays to hell, or call on his followers to vote for anti-gay legislation, as far as I could tell.

These are the key parts to me.  One, that he's clearly engaging in questions of the modern world, going "beyond" dogma and not merely reciting it.  Two, that he has stated an understanding that "dogma" may be biased by the context of time and ...


Thanks, that makes a lot more sense.
 
2014-02-21 12:57:30 PM

Arkanaut: htomc: Universal compassion....as long as you're not gay.

He's held some apparently contradictory stances on homosexuality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama#Sexuality


In a 1994 interview with OUT Magazine, the Dalai Lama clarified his personal opinion on the matter by saying, "If someone comes to me and asks whether homosexuality is okay or not, I will ask 'What is your companion's opinion?'. If you both agree, then I think I would say, 'If two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay.'"[76] However, when interviewed by Canadian TV news anchor Evan Solomon on CBC News: Sunday about whether or not homosexuality is acceptable in Buddhism, the Dalai Lama responded that "it is sexual misconduct".[77]

And this is the confusing part for me:

In his 1996 book Beyond Dogma, he described a traditional Buddhist definition of an appropriate sexual act as follows: "A sexual act is deemed proper when the couples use the organs intended for sexual intercourse and nothing else... Homosexuality, whether it is between men or between women, is not improper in itself. What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact." He elaborated in 1997, explaining that the basis of that teaching was unknown to him. He also conveyed his own "willingness to consider the possibility that some of the teachings may be specific to a particular cultural and historic context".

Seems that this would mean he's against non-reproductive sex in general, or something? But doesn't look like he's the type who would condemn gays to hell, or call on his followers to vote for anti-gay legislation, as far as I could tell.


Who care about any of that!  The guy is anti-beej!!!!!
 
2014-02-21 01:03:14 PM

Lee451: Gays are upset because their sexual preferences are disapproved of by some people; they say "Stay out of my bedroom" and "It's  no one else's business". Then why bring up their sexuality at all? If they want some things to be private, why do they insist on telling the world? George Takei did'nt feel it necessary to come out until a few years back; did his being demure cause him trauma? "Coming out" is the trendy new fad for Hollywood (see Anne Heche).


Why do heteros always bring up they are married or have significant others? I mean why do they always want others to be involved woth their personal sex lives, always holding hands and kissing in public?
 
2014-02-21 01:05:43 PM
With each subject, the panelists consistently returned to a common theme: That they believed capitalism could be a force for good, but that it required a morality-whether spiritual or secular-to truly flourish and benefit the largest number of people

that must be what happened in the subprime mortgage clusterfark.. wall street lacking in morals...
fortunately the GOP has morals to spare.. so we're all good, right?
 
2014-02-21 01:08:07 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: He'll take a paycheck from anyone.


The horcrux?
 
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