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(New York Daily News)   Sitting in a car when the cops crash into it while driving the wrong way down a one-way street? That's an arrestin'   (nydailynews.com) divider line 151
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2014-02-21 02:39:27 PM  

jscart: From the video clip on the site, this guy was in the drivers seat and didn't "slide over". The end of the video show the guy leaving the door open and the cop at the rear. Hard to tell if he walked towards the front more.

Cop is still a dick, but if you don't have a license stay the fark out of the drivers seat in any vehicle.


Even if the VICTIM was in the driver's seat and the keys were in the ignition it was STILL dishonest to charge him with driving without a license. The cop was just trying to blame the victim and figured the ticket would make his story stick. It doesn't really matter if he managed to scrap up a technicality to do it.
 
2014-02-21 02:40:57 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: hardinparamedic: Bathia_Mapes: A citation for what? Sitting on the passenger seat of his girlfriend's car?

The article says that he was driving with a suspended license. Since I can't see the video, did he?

Regardless, it was a dick move, and an example of "Respect Mah authoritah" contempt of cop BS.

The SUV is parked for the whole event. Of course, some states consider you 'operating' a motor vehicle if the keys are in the ignition and you're in the drivers seat. The victim says he was in the passenger seat but the video shows him getting out on the drivers side. He said he slid over. There is usally a console between the drivers and passengers seat in a Ford Expedition. Unless the passenger door is jammed, I don't see a large guy like him 'sliding over'


Don't know if it's been said or not but you can see his light colored pants sitting in the driver's seat the entire time.
 
2014-02-21 02:42:45 PM  
If the cops crash into you, it is your fault.
 
2014-02-21 02:44:04 PM  
It's a miracle he had his birth certificate on him.
 
2014-02-21 02:44:10 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Cops, is there anything they can't do?


Not be jackbooted thugs
 
2014-02-21 02:45:56 PM  

FitzShivering: jscart: From the video clip on the site, this guy was in the drivers seat and didn't "slide over". The end of the video show the guy leaving the door open and the cop at the rear. Hard to tell if he walked towards the front more.

Cop is still a dick, but if you don't have a license stay the fark out of the drivers seat in any vehicle.

Do you have a different video, are you on acid, or are you a police officer?


I watched the video pretty carefully and noted a light section in the drivers side window of the SUV from the beginning of the clip that didn't move until the door opened revealing it to be Mr. Jacksons leg. It really appeared that he was sitting in the drivers seat IMHO. That being said, it is equally clear that he wasn't operating the SUV when the cop scraped it, and no the clip didn't show the cop checking the ignition for keys, so maybe both parties slightly adjusted their memories of those details.
In the end Jackson didn't cause this accident and yeah that cop should have just been a guy about it and accepted the blame that was really his,  it was just a scraped fender and he wouldn't have been in any real trouble. What really bothers me about this is if this is how that cop handles a small problem, what does he do about a big one? His superiors should think about that.
 
2014-02-21 02:48:22 PM  
I was driving southbound on Roosevelt Ave (1 way, SOUTHBOUND)   when a 4x4 pulled out in front of me going North.  I slammed on the breaks, somehow he also stopped, as well as the cars behind me on this busy street.    He then flipped me off prior to backing off of the 1 way street.

dumb people are born every second of every day.
 
2014-02-21 02:49:40 PM  
The Cop most certainly is a dick but the dude definately was sitting in the drivers seat because you can see his white shorts from the beginning of the video.
 
2014-02-21 02:50:30 PM  

GanjSmokr: Watching the video another time, the cop first starts walking towards the passenger side of the vehicle... like he initially believed the guy in there was in the passenger seat... until he saw the guy get out of the driver's side.

When the guy gets out of the car he most definitely closed the door, too.  Even when he opens it from the outside, as the vid is ending you can tell he's about to close it again.


The only weird thing is that at 0:06 you can see something move in the driver's window.  IMO it looks like someone reacting to the collision, but it could be from the collision itself.  Other than that, I agree with you.  The police had just driven by the car and presumably seen someone sitting in it.  As soon as the cop walks back toward the car, he immediately goes into the middle of the street to the passenger's side.

I could see both sides making a case from that video -- except that the cop has already been caught lying IMO his credibility w.r.t the incident is already questionable.  Luckily for the cop, the courts will believe everything else he says as the gospel.

\\ Fark Law School GED
 
2014-02-21 02:55:11 PM  
In a CSB/related incident my nephew-in-law who is employed by our local PD as a civilian administrator (and is also an unpaid auxiliary officer) had an accident a couple of years ago when he rear-ended another vehicle at a stop light in his personal vehicle. When a local cop arrived on the scene and recognized him, the other driver was told "Well, ma'am I'm not going to write either of you a ticket today because the sun was equally in  both drivers eyes".  And she fell for it.
Which turned it into a no-fault accident saving the neph' points on his license and a big insurance premium bump.  So, yeah, it's nice to be part of the club.
 
2014-02-21 02:55:19 PM  

DAR: Lustitia needs to put down the scales, remove the blindfold, & start holding a video camera........k/dar


Huh. I learned something today... Lady Justice has a name and it is actually spelled Iustitia (with an "i" not an "L").
 
2014-02-21 02:57:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: show me: Especially NYC cops.

Anyone is better than NYPD.


challenge accepted:

LAPD
 
2014-02-21 03:00:22 PM  

FitzShivering: jscart: From the video clip on the site, this guy was in the drivers seat and didn't "slide over". The end of the video show the guy leaving the door open and the cop at the rear. Hard to tell if he walked towards the front more.

Cop is still a dick, but if you don't have a license stay the fark out of the drivers seat in any vehicle.

Do you have a different video, are you on acid, or are you a police officer?


I'll try to explain with some pics.
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That's the guy sitting in the drivers seat.
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That's the guy getting out from the drivers door
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That's the guy standing there see the color of his pants
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That's the cop at the rear of the SUV, now a few seconds the video end, so we aren't sure if the guy does leave his door open.

Like I said
/Cop is still a dick, but if you don't have a license stay the fark out of the drivers seat in any vehicle.
//I'm not a cop either
///I just look at a good amount of security footage
 
2014-02-21 03:02:51 PM  

cirby: People who file lawsuits versus police departments over things like this need to change tactics.

Instead of "I'm suing for a million dollars," make it "I'm suing for a million dollars, OR for $100,000 plus firing the cops involved."


Throw in a lifetime barring from working any law enforcement position in the country, and you've got a deal. Otherwise they will just rehire him once the dust settles.
 
2014-02-21 03:05:11 PM  

hardinparamedic: What I want to know is did he have his lights and sirens on?

If he did, the fact he was going down a one way street isn't the problem, because all states have traffic exemptions for emergency services to disregard traffic laws, but they have to do so in a reasonable, safe manner. Requesting the right of way, not automatically granted it.

However, arresting the guy for something that should have garnered, at most, a citation, was a dick move, and an example of contempt of cop for embarassing him. Bad cop, no donuts for you.


A cop without lights and siren ran a stop sign and crashed into a friend of mine. She was briefly unconscious, so he took the liberty of unfastening her seat belt so he could issue a ticket to her.
 
2014-02-21 03:09:09 PM  

SlothB77: Officer Christopher Oliver wrote in the criminal complaint that he "went to the driver's side door of defendant's vehicle and observed the door open and the keys in the ignition" before arresting Jackson for operating a vehicle with a suspended license, according to the document.

But a surveillance video Jackson obtained from a neighbor clearly shows he immediately shut the door upon exiting the car and that the cop never went near the driver's side as he claimed.

wow.  once again, if there wasn't video, the crooked cop would have gotten away with it.  can't imagine all the times they must have gotten away with it before.


He'll still get away with it. He just won't get to see this particular innocent guy put away this time. But the victim will probably get "special" police attention for the next few years.
There is no more serious crime than embarrassing a pig
 
2014-02-21 03:09:17 PM  
Ah, yes, the cop got him for the horrible crime of 'sitting in your car and minding your own business while black' or, SIYCAMYOBWB.
 
2014-02-21 03:11:07 PM  
Even if I am sitting in the driver's side with the key in the ignition, unless the engine is on and I am moving, I am technically NOT operating the car.
 
2014-02-21 03:11:52 PM  

SpectroBoy: Remember kids, not all cops are bad.

It's just the 95% of cops who lie and/or cover up for other bad cops making the rest look bad.


I've been assured by the Fark Copologist TM Brigade that these are isolated incidents.
 
2014-02-21 03:13:42 PM  

Whodat: Even if I am sitting in the driver's side with the key in the ignition, unless the engine is on and I am moving, I am technically NOT operating the car.


I agree.  State governments do not.  You can get a DUI if the keys are in the ignition and the car is parked.
 
2014-02-21 03:15:49 PM  

Maud Dib: SpectroBoy: Remember kids, not all cops are bad.

It's just the 95% of cops who lie and/or cover up for other bad cops making the rest look bad.

I've been assured by the Fark Copologist TM Brigade that these are isolated incidents.


NYPD killed my friend, hit and run.  He was crossing with the light.  They framed him for jay-walking.  They never did catch those "black youths who may be smoking marijuana" though.
 
2014-02-21 03:18:07 PM  
The guy WAS driving, but he was parked at the time. Video obviously shows that fact. Bad luck for him (bad luck that HE created by being where he should not have been) that a cop's bad driving got him involved. Guy should NOT have been in the driver's seat. Key's probably were in the ignition. Boo Hoo.....welcome to Fark.

//good luck with that lawsuit, pal.
 
2014-02-21 03:19:19 PM  
He should be lucky the cop just didn't shoot him dead on the spot for sitting in a parked car.
 
2014-02-21 03:20:36 PM  
Why isn't the Cop charged with falsifying a police report, conspiracy and perjury?
 
2014-02-21 03:20:50 PM  

lantawa: The guy WAS driving, but he was parked at the time. Video obviously shows that fact. Bad luck for him (bad luck that HE created by being where he should not have been) that a cop's bad driving got him involved. Guy should NOT have been in the driver's seat. Key's probably were in the ignition. Boo Hoo.....welcome to Fark.

//good luck with that lawsuit, pal.


1/10 meh
 
2014-02-21 03:20:54 PM  

cirby: People who file lawsuits versus police departments over things like this need to change tactics.

Instead of "I'm suing for a million dollars," make it "I'm suing for a million dollars, OR for $100,000 plus firing the cops involved."


That's what really needs to be done.  With any other city worker, if that worker did anything that would cause the city to be successfully sued, that worker would be fired as a result, the exception to this is cops.
 
2014-02-21 03:26:28 PM  
Good thing there was video. I usually side with the cops, but this is a clear example that sometimes this really does happen. They should have to witness you driving to charge you for driving. It's not uncommon to leave the keys with someone who is waiting in a car so they can listen to the radio or whatever.
 
2014-02-21 03:32:42 PM  

Burning_Monk: lantawa: The guy WAS driving, but he was parked at the time. Video obviously shows that fact. Bad luck for him (bad luck that HE created by being where he should not have been) that a cop's bad driving got him involved. Guy should NOT have been in the driver's seat. Key's probably were in the ignition. Boo Hoo.....welcome to Fark.

//good luck with that lawsuit, pal.

1/10 meh


Clear your mind and look at the video.  The guy's full of shiat when he says he "slid over."  He was in the driver's seat and in control of the vehicle without a valid license. Ticket time. Lawsuit tossed
 
2014-02-21 03:37:05 PM  

Latinwolf: That's what really needs to be done.  With any other city worker, if that worker did anything that would cause the city to be successfully sued, that worker would be fired as a result, the exception to this is cops.


That's still not going to help because the department is going to have to fight it out with FOP before they can dismiss anyone, and most of time FOP will do their damnedest to make up the difference.
 
2014-02-21 03:38:32 PM  
Take the guns away from the citizens and give them to these fine upstanding officers


/what could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-02-21 03:38:56 PM  

James10952001: Good thing there was video. I usually side with the cops, but this is a clear example that sometimes this really does happen. They should have to witness you driving to charge you for driving. It's not uncommon to leave the keys with someone who is waiting in a car so they can listen to the radio or whatever.


Yes, and I'm sure that when his girlfriend came out to the car he was going to trot his narrow ass over to the passenger side seat. Guy was in control of the vehicle. You folk who are wailing about the fact that it was parked need to take heed.  Don't be behind the wheel of a vehicle if your license is suspended or revoked. Period. ......Now, the cop drove poorly.  Worst case for the city will be paying for the parked vehicle's damages.  That would be fair.  I'll monitor for followup on this story.  Probably won't see it, though.
 
2014-02-21 03:40:15 PM  

Calmamity: New York cops are out of fu*king control.


But they got all the black people out of NYC so Donald Trump doesn't have to see poverty or colors unnatural to him.
 
2014-02-21 03:40:32 PM  

lantawa: Burning_Monk: lantawa: The guy WAS driving, but he was parked at the time. Video obviously shows that fact. Bad luck for him (bad luck that HE created by being where he should not have been) that a cop's bad driving got him involved. Guy should NOT have been in the driver's seat. Key's probably were in the ignition. Boo Hoo.....welcome to Fark.

//good luck with that lawsuit, pal.

1/10 meh

Clear your mind and look at the video.  The guy's full of shiat when he says he "slid over."  He was in the driver's seat and in control of the vehicle without a valid license. Ticket time. Lawsuit tossed



Since he hadn't actually done anything wrong, they dropped the charges...

Jackson had to spend the night in jail and appear in court multiple times before the criminal case against him was dropped by prosecutors six months later, records show.
 
2014-02-21 03:41:51 PM  

nyseattitude: Why isn't the Cop charged with falsifying a police report, conspiracy and perjury?


Cops cannot commit crimes. Comes with the badge.  You get like 20 mulligans and 3 gimmies.
 
2014-02-21 03:44:25 PM  

lantawa: Guy was in control of the vehicle.


Yup he was in control of a parked vehicle that was probably not even on.  Heck my kids will jump in my drivers seat and hold the wheel, glad a cop doesn't drive by and hit my parked car so I don't get arrested for child endangerment and letting a child drive a car.
 
2014-02-21 03:45:23 PM  
Yeah.  I'm not cop defender but I think this video blows this guy's own case.  The video clearly shows him sitting in the driver's seat prior to the collision.  You can even see him (or his leg) react to the collision and move around before he gets out.  As far as saying it contradicts the cop's statement, that's not necessarily true.  Sure, the guy closes the door initially but the end of the video shows the guy with the door open again the the cop walking toward him...before it conveniently cuts off.  So while the video doesn't show the cop not looking in the driver door, it also doesn't show him NOT looking in the driver's door.

For the people saying the cop clearly lied so everything is says is suspect, what does it mean when the video shows the guy clearly lied?

/still a dick move to arrest the guy, especially after crashing into him
 
2014-02-21 03:47:50 PM  

GanjSmokr: lantawa: Burning_Monk: lantawa: The guy WAS driving, but he was parked at the time. Video obviously shows that fact. Bad luck for him (bad luck that HE created by being where he should not have been) that a cop's bad driving got him involved. Guy should NOT have been in the driver's seat. Key's probably were in the ignition. Boo Hoo.....welcome to Fark.

//good luck with that lawsuit, pal.

1/10 meh

Clear your mind and look at the video.  The guy's full of shiat when he says he "slid over."  He was in the driver's seat and in control of the vehicle without a valid license. Ticket time. Lawsuit tossed


Since he hadn't actually done anything wrong, they dropped the charges...

Jackson had to spend the night in jail and appear in court multiple times before the criminal case against him was dropped by prosecutors six months later, records show.


Next:  the lawsuit....WHAR LAWSUIT?  WHAR?

//thx for clarification. Yeah.  A hassle, I know, but one that he could have avoided by not being where he was, while white or black.
 
2014-02-21 03:51:45 PM  
Here is another situation where there seems to be a serious flaw in the way the legal system works.

In all cases, it is supposed to be proved, beyond doubt, that a person is guilty before being convicted.  But in the cases of minor offenses like this, the burden of proof actually shifts to proving that you are innocent.  This is because law enforcement officers are supposed to be above reproach, incapable of lieing, and infallable.  Therefore, their accusation is all the needed proof of a person's guilt.
The same exact thing holds true for those "infallable" automated systems.  Since it's impossible for them to make a mistake, they must be correct.

So the case proceeds from the standpoint that guilt is already proven, unless you can show otherwise.

That is backwards and wrong.  But I suppose the percentage of cases where a person actually IS guilty of whatever minor infraction they are accused of, is so high, that how backwards the assumptions are rarely get brought to light.
 
2014-02-21 03:58:41 PM  

hardinparamedic: Anyone is better than NYPD.


There are some folks in National City (San Diego) who might disagree.

When I was living in SD the cops capped a guy in National City that wouldn't drop a tennis racket

We had a robbery at work on a Saturday, and a SD police officer told us not to hang around....he said "if other cops show up we don't ask questions"
 
2014-02-21 04:01:43 PM  
Since I'm from California and only familiar with our CVC.  Can someone from New York point out the section in the New York CVC that states you can not sit in the drivers seat of a parked vehicle without a proper operators endorsement?
 
2014-02-21 04:03:43 PM  
Any Farkers who are cops... Could you please explain to the rest of us why so many of you are assholes? Do you not understand what you were hired to do? You're not supposed to be thugs and bullies. You're supposed to serve and protect. I know you have to put up with a lot of bullshiat from the public. I get that. I do not envy your job. But I don't see the connection between dealing with awful people and then turning around and being shiatty to decent people.
 
2014-02-21 04:04:18 PM  

DrPainMD: SlothB77: Officer Christopher Oliver wrote in the criminal complaint that he "went to the driver's side door of defendant's vehicle and observed the door open and the keys in the ignition" before arresting Jackson for operating a vehicle with a suspended license, according to the document.

But a surveillance video Jackson obtained from a neighbor clearly shows he immediately shut the door upon exiting the car and that the cop never went near the driver's side as he claimed.

wow.  once again, if there wasn't video, the crooked cop would have gotten away with it.  can't imagine all the times they must have gotten away with it before.

What do you mean, "would have gotten away with it"? He kidnapped somebody and committed perjury, and did get away with it.


Except he didnt, he got caught.

If you rob a bank and get caught a month later, you didn't get away with it.
 
2014-02-21 04:04:29 PM  

lantawa: Burning_Monk: lantawa: The guy WAS driving, but he was parked at the time. Video obviously shows that fact. Bad luck for him (bad luck that HE created by being where he should not have been) that a cop's bad driving got him involved. Guy should NOT have been in the driver's seat. Key's probably were in the ignition. Boo Hoo.....welcome to Fark.

//good luck with that lawsuit, pal.

1/10 meh

Clear your mind and look at the video.  The guy's full of shiat when he says he "slid over."  He was in the driver's seat and in control of the vehicle without a valid license. Ticket time. Lawsuit tossed


It's the other bullshiat you said. For instance, "bad luck that HE created by being where he should not have been"

Farking Trollbait, that's all that is. And it's so obvious you get a low score, next time try harder.
 
2014-02-21 04:05:11 PM  
Thank god the crack Fark Video Forensics team has already been summoned......
 
2014-02-21 04:06:06 PM  

SpectroBoy: jscart: From the video clip on the site, this guy was in the drivers seat and didn't "slide over". The end of the video show the guy leaving the door open and the cop at the rear. Hard to tell if he walked towards the front more.

Cop is still a dick, but if you don't have a license stay the fark out of the drivers seat in any vehicle.

Even if the VICTIM was in the driver's seat and the keys were in the ignition it was STILL dishonest to charge him with driving without a license. The cop was just trying to blame the victim and figured the ticket would make his story stick. It doesn't really matter if he managed to scrap up a technicality to do it.


I worked on cars back before I was old enough to drive them. Sometimes that involved sitting in the drivers seat with the key in the ignition. As far as I know, that isn't generally and certainly shouldn't be a crime.
 
2014-02-21 04:07:02 PM  

durbnpoisn: Here is another situation where there seems to be a serious flaw in the way the legal system works.

In all cases, it is supposed to be proved, beyond doubt, that a person is guilty before being convicted.  But in the cases of minor offenses like this, the burden of proof actually shifts to proving that you are innocent.  This is because law enforcement officers are supposed to be above reproach, incapable of lieing, and infallable.  Therefore, their accusation is all the needed proof of a person's guilt.
The same exact thing holds true for those "infallable" automated systems.  Since it's impossible for them to make a mistake, they must be correct.

So the case proceeds from the standpoint that guilt is already proven, unless you can show otherwise.

That is backwards and wrong.  But I suppose the percentage of cases where a person actually IS guilty of whatever minor infraction they are accused of, is so high, that how backwards the assumptions are rarely get brought to light.


I would agree with you completely except for one detail.  It's proven beyond a reasonable doubt.  In cases like this there's no real way to prove anything fully one way or the other.  There is no physical evidence and likely no witnesses.  The way the system handles this is to provide the defendant with a trial,  That forces the state to present the evidence, if there is any, or go to trial without any.  If this were taken to trial, likely the only "evidence" the state would have is to put the cop on the stand to testify as to what he saw.  At that point, the defense would be free to cross examine and impeach the cop anyway they could.  Based on the testimony, the jury would then have to decide the the cop's story was believable enough to remove reasonable doubt in their minds that the man was in fact guilty.

The real flaw is not in the justice system, it's in the average citizen's (jury's) perception of cops being incapable of lying.  I believe that perception is slowly but surely changing.
 
2014-02-21 04:08:00 PM  

lantawa: GanjSmokr: lantawa: Burning_Monk: lantawa: The guy WAS driving, but he was parked at the time. Video obviously shows that fact. Bad luck for him (bad luck that HE created by being where he should not have been) that a cop's bad driving got him involved. Guy should NOT have been in the driver's seat. Key's probably were in the ignition. Boo Hoo.....welcome to Fark.

//good luck with that lawsuit, pal.

1/10 meh

Clear your mind and look at the video.  The guy's full of shiat when he says he "slid over."  He was in the driver's seat and in control of the vehicle without a valid license. Ticket time. Lawsuit tossed


Since he hadn't actually done anything wrong, they dropped the charges...

Jackson had to spend the night in jail and appear in court multiple times before the criminal case against him was dropped by prosecutors six months later, records show.

Next:  the lawsuit....WHAR LAWSUIT?  WHAR?

//thx for clarification. Yeah.  A hassle, I know, but one that he could have avoided by not being where he was, while white or black.


Just like a chick who gets raped could have avoided it had she not taken a short cut down that alley?
 
2014-02-21 04:11:00 PM  

lantawa: Burning_Monk: lantawa: The guy WAS driving, but he was parked at the time. Video obviously shows that fact. Bad luck for him (bad luck that HE created by being where he should not have been) that a cop's bad driving got him involved. Guy should NOT have been in the driver's seat. Key's probably were in the ignition. Boo Hoo.....welcome to Fark.

//good luck with that lawsuit, pal.

1/10 meh

Clear your mind and look at the video.  The guy's full of shiat when he says he "slid over."  He was in the driver's seat and in control of the vehicle without a valid license. Ticket time. Lawsuit tossed


He probably was, but they didnt prove it. The dishonesty of the cop outweighs that IMO.
 
2014-02-21 04:16:15 PM  

Rincewind53: SlothB77: wow.  once again, if there wasn't video, the crooked cop would have gotten away with it.  can't imagine all the times they must have gotten away with it before.

Exactly. Thank god for video.

This just emphasizes what I've known for years; police reports are routinely lies. Anyone who automatically believes what a police officer writes in his report is simply fooling themselves.

That's not to say that every police officer lies, or that that all reports are lies. But police officers  routinely embellish facts, and if they committed any wrongdoing themselves, expect them to lie about it.


Once in a very great while, you get a judge that publicly tells the cop he's full of shiat--in those words--and drops the charges.

*disclaimer: you must be white, the judge must be white, your witness must be white and a former state trooper, and the cop must be black and have no evidence to back up his claims. You must have photographic evidence, and reams of additional evidence to back up your claim that the officer in question is not, and I quote, "a human lie detector." But the main thing--you must be white. If you are black or brown and so are your witnesses, you're farked.
 
Ant
2014-02-21 04:21:05 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Of course, some states consider you 'operating' a motor vehicle if the keys are in the ignition and you're in the drivers seat.


So when I take my dog to the gas station with me, I leave the keys in the ignition, and she jumps into the driver's seat, she's technically driving? Awesome!
 
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