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2014-02-21 11:33:30 AM
This should end well.
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2014-02-21 11:35:06 AM
Who handed this ass a novelty pack of random political chance cards?
 
2014-02-21 11:44:40 AM
"Freedom needs tradition to give it its balance and its stability, its sense of family and community, but tradition needs freedom to invigorate it and give it spirit and excitement."

Translation: freedom for corporations but gays are still icky and women should continue to be slut-shamed
 
2014-02-21 11:48:34 AM
One of his main rhetorical goals was, therefore, making Christianity and libertarianism seem compatible, to attract traditionally Christian GOP supporters to libertarian ideas.

This angers the Aqua Buddha.
 
2014-02-21 11:51:12 AM
Um, isn't he literally named after a person whose philosophy is vehemently anti-Christian?
 
2014-02-21 11:54:33 AM

vernonFL: Um, isn't he literally named after a person whose philosophy is vehemently anti-Christian?


Officially Rand is short for Randy and has nothing to do with author but I'm not convinced.
 
2014-02-21 12:05:30 PM
If what Paul intends to say here is that Christianity and libertarianism are amenable to one another because Christianity provides the moral compass libertarianism doesn't have - that is, that one can protect marriage and defend against oft-objected to practices like abortion through the selective reference to Christian values by otherwise libertarian political agents - the question is: Why would someone with such a commitment to Christianity ever commit themselves to a political philosophy without a similar commitment?

Dude, you are way overthinking this.

Paul: "Jesus was a libertarian!"
GOP voting morons: "Awesome! Me too then!"
 
2014-02-21 12:05:31 PM
I'm dressing as Republican Jesus next Halloween
 
2014-02-21 12:10:05 PM

vernonFL: Um, isn't he literally named after a person whose philosophy is vehemently anti-Christian?


You mean Paul of Tarsas?
 
2014-02-21 12:16:09 PM
You went full Republican Jesus, man. Never go full Republican Jesus.
 
2014-02-21 12:24:52 PM
This cunning plan may work.  Republican Christians are notoriously gullible,

After all, they fell for both Republicanism and Christianity.
 
2014-02-21 12:38:27 PM
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

-Rand Paul
 
2014-02-21 12:53:07 PM
We really need to make sure and spread the word, whenever possible, that Randian Objectivist libertarianism is far more closely aligned with LaVayan Satanism.

medic343.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-21 12:57:33 PM
Because the key tenet of Christianity is "Love thyself. They neighbor can farketh himself. Render nothing unto Caesar, because that would be confiscatory. Hey, the Nile flooded! Where's Pharaoh's Phire Department to pump out my tent?"
 
2014-02-21 01:27:50 PM

mrshowrules: vernonFL: Um, isn't he literally named after a person whose philosophy is vehemently anti-Christian?

Officially Rand is short for Randy and has nothing to do with author but I'm not convinced.


I can see how the name "Randy Paul" would get you made fun of in school.

/heh... Randy
 
2014-02-21 01:28:29 PM
Again, fark you, Kentucky.

Fark you Fark you Fark you.

You people owe us one. Big.
 
2014-02-21 01:31:03 PM
I wonder who he plagiarized this idea from?

Oh, yeah.  Just about every other Republican ever.
 
2014-02-21 01:31:22 PM
 "Freedom needs tradition to give it its balance and its stability, its sense of family and community, but tradition needs freedom to invigorate it and give it spirit and excitement."

What sort of spirit and excitement? Are we talking pinky in the butthole, inviting a trusted friend for a threesome, or full-on Eyes Wide Shut shiat?
 
2014-02-21 01:32:22 PM
It means whatever Rand Paul says it means.
 
2014-02-21 01:33:14 PM
I will choose the path that's clear.
I will choose Free Will.
 
2014-02-21 01:33:20 PM

Marcus Aurelius: It means whatever Rand Paul says it means.


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2014-02-21 01:34:04 PM

whatsupchuck: I wonder who he plagiarized this idea from?

Oh, yeah.  Just about every other Republican ever.


We'll call it the Moral Major--- er, the Million Moral March, yes...
 
2014-02-21 01:34:16 PM
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"...bolstering national faith..."
 
2014-02-21 01:35:37 PM
Funny, I have always felt that Libertarianism fit better with satanism. Both promote a self centered world veiw, where anything goes as long as it makes me feel good.
 
2014-02-21 01:35:40 PM
Good news for Rand: He's right. Libertarianism does share tenets with conservatism.
Bad news for Rand: Libertarianism also shares tenets with liberalism.
 
2014-02-21 01:36:30 PM

Kuta: I will choose the path that's clear.
I will choose Free Will.


You can be sure that his mind is not for rent to any god or government.

/maybe not
 
2014-02-21 01:37:46 PM
It's great how people from the state he represents are some of the poorest and in most need of social services in the country. Those rubes are something special, gullibility like that should be celebrated with some kind of coin from the franklin mint.
 
2014-02-21 01:39:06 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Because the key tenet of Christianity is "Love thyself. Thy neighbor can farketh himself. Render nothing unto Caesar, because that would be confiscatory. Hey, the Nile flooded! Where's Pharaoh's Phire Department to pump out my tent?"


Republican Golden Rule!

/fixed the spelling
 
2014-02-21 01:40:26 PM

Bear151556: Funny, I have always felt that Libertarianism fit better with satanism. Both promote a self centered world veiw, where anything goes as long as it makes me feel good.


And in your next post will you accuse self-described Libertarians of wanting to regulate people's bedrooms?  Go for it!
 
2014-02-21 01:40:36 PM

TerminalEchoes: Good news for Rand: He's right. Libertarianism does share tenets with conservatism.
Bad news for Rand: Libertarianism also shares tenets with liberalism.


Not that many. Liberals want a centralized system of government to enforce policies that "we the people" nonsense can't accomplish. Liberals want a strong community. -- "It takes a village to raise a child."

I'm beginning to agree that "libertarianism" is just a stupid naive selfish philosophy meant to justify greed and distrust of people and groups.
 
2014-02-21 01:41:59 PM
Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., argued at a recent fundraiser that the GOP should embrace the tenets of his pet political philosophy, libertarianism.

Rand Paul isn't smart enough to have a philosophy. This is the guy who said his preferred nominees for Fed Chair would be Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek, even though Friedman and Hayek were polar opposites on monetary policy (they're also both long dead). He claims to be libertarian and staunchly anti-abortion at the same time. He just latches on to what sounds good in a slogan, without any thought into either the theoretical or pragmatic implications, beyond whether it gets him elected.
 
2014-02-21 01:42:01 PM

TerminalEchoes: Good news for Rand: He's right. Libertarianism does share tenets with conservatism.
Bad news for Rand: Libertarianism also shares tenets with liberalism.


News related to this article: Objectivism has practically nothing in common with (non-Church-of-Satan) religion.
 
2014-02-21 01:42:05 PM

mrshowrules: vernonFL: Um, isn't he literally named after a person whose philosophy is vehemently anti-Christian?

Officially Rand is short for Randy and has nothing to do with author but I'm not convinced.


Officially Randy is short for Randall.
 
2014-02-21 01:42:17 PM

baronbloodbath: Kuta: I will choose the path that's clear.
I will choose Free Will.

You can be sure that his mind is not for rent to any god or government.

/maybe not


what you think about my company is what you think about society.

--RAND PAUL
 
2014-02-21 01:43:30 PM

mrshowrules: "Freedom needs tradition to give it its balance and its stability, its sense of family and community, but tradition needs freedom to invigorate it and give it spirit and excitement."

Translation: freedom for corporations but gays are still icky and women should continue to be slut-shamed


Unless that corporation wants to unionize it's employees.
 
2014-02-21 01:44:06 PM
Salon preaching about false libertarianism?  Hmm.

The Ron/Rand dichotomy is a pretty good example of what happens when libertarians actually get the run of things.  First generation is all "my property rights are all that matters, I don't care if that dude over there is shooting heroin" and they clean things up pretty good and make things that are worth protecting out of unbridled self-interest, and the second generation is all "hey, get those junkies out of here so that all this good stuff doesn't disappear," out of unbridled self-interest.
 
2014-02-21 01:44:21 PM
I'm Christian....

But still not dumb enough to follow Rand Paul.... or any other Republican.

/Go Hillary C! Maybe Bill will help you fix the economy if you're elected
 
2014-02-21 01:45:42 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: We really need to make sure and spread the word, whenever possible, that Randian Objectivist libertarianism is far more closely aligned with LaVayan Satanism.

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So in a way, Ayn Rand IS Christian since Satan (as opposed to The Adversary) is a Christian mythological construct.
 
2014-02-21 01:46:04 PM
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2014-02-21 01:48:30 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: whatsupchuck: I wonder who he plagiarized this idea from?

Oh, yeah.  Just about every other Republican ever.

We'll call it the Moral Major--- er, the Million Moral March, yes...


You misspelled Moran Majority.
 
2014-02-21 01:49:11 PM
A dumb persons idea of something a smart person would say?
 
2014-02-21 01:49:36 PM

Arkanaut: He just latches on to what sounds good in a slogan, without any thought into either the theoretical or pragmatic implications, beyond whether it gets him elected.


Which makes him perfect for the college libertarian crowd who buy in to libertarianism because weed, hookers, and no foreign adventures, ignoring the practical (and historical!) applications of the extremes of those views - patent medicines with no oversight, coercion and pimping and abuse, and having no friends for when we might need help (like, I dunno: Katrina/Rita, tornadoes, floods, hurricanes, superstorms, snowpocalypses, superduperstorms; or anything involving Hawaii)/letting things get bad enough that a ragtag group of 19 men sent by a quasi-governmental group can fark our whole decade up.

I mean, I like weed, hookers, and more of our tax money spent domestically (or less raised overall; or both), but I recognize that the FDA, military, and VAWA serve a purpose beyond "money and power".
 
2014-02-21 01:49:45 PM

DeltaPunch: mrshowrules: vernonFL: Um, isn't he literally named after a person whose philosophy is vehemently anti-Christian?

Officially Rand is short for Randy and has nothing to do with author but I'm not convinced.

Officially Randy is short for Randall.


Oh, so he's named for the evil character in Stephen King's books?
 
2014-02-21 01:49:57 PM

Arkanaut: Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., argued at a recent fundraiser that the GOP should embrace the tenets of his pet political philosophy, libertarianism.

Rand Paul isn't smart enough to have a philosophy. This is the guy who said his preferred nominees for Fed Chair would be Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek, even though Friedman and Hayek were polar opposites on monetary policy (they're also both long dead). He claims to be libertarian and staunchly anti-abortion at the same time. He just latches on to what sounds good in a slogan, without any thought into either the theoretical or pragmatic implications, beyond whether it gets him elected.


This, this and this. If there's a word to describe Paul's political beliefs, it's "paleocon." His positions are mostly indistinguishable from those of Pat Buchanan, except that Paul might be okay with drugs.
 
2014-02-21 01:52:03 PM
Rand Paul's audacious new sham: A phony religious epiphany
Paul's new strategy to lure backers involves a strange appeal to Christians. Here's why he's living in fantasy land


On the contrary, Rand Paul lives in the USA.  Here, our Christians do pretty much exactly what Rand Paul is doing here - rationalize their beliefs and actions as somehow Christian.  Yeah, he had a phony religious epiphany but he's preaching to a country full of phony religious people.

The only one in fantasy land is the author of this article.
 
2014-02-21 01:52:18 PM
He found this old site, didn't he?

http://libertariantalker.tripod.com/christian.html

I don't remember how I stumbled on it.

Here are the bullet points

-God knows we are sinners and that we will make the wrong choices many times. If God allows each of us to be free, why can't we allow each other to be free? If freedom is good enough for God, why isn't it good enough for us?
-Eliminating the Income Tax will give them much more money to donate to their church or charity of their choice
-They will be able to put their children into schools that teach their values They will no longer have to worry about a secular agenda in a school.
-They will no longer have to worry about supporting art that offends them and their morals
-Eliminating the Income Tax could strengthen the family. There would be less of a need to have both parents working, so one could stay at home withi children.
-You cannot have true morality without true freedom.
-(For a Christian advocating some type of censorship)A government big enough to ban Playboy is big enough to ban the Bible
 
2014-02-21 01:53:23 PM

vernonFL: DeltaPunch: mrshowrules: vernonFL: Um, isn't he literally named after a person whose philosophy is vehemently anti-Christian?

Officially Rand is short for Randy and has nothing to do with author but I'm not convinced.

Officially Randy is short for Randall.

Oh, so he's named for the evil character in Stephen King's books?


Randall Flag. God he almost had it. If only he had put a Biblical spin on the character. Then Paul might have been the last name.
 
2014-02-21 01:53:44 PM
"Freedom needs tradition to give it its balance and its stability, its sense of family and community, but tradition needs freedom to invigorate it and give it spirit and excitement."

What the fark kind of nonsensical gobbledy-goop is this?!?
 
2014-02-21 01:54:14 PM

whidbey: TerminalEchoes: Good news for Rand: He's right. Libertarianism does share tenets with conservatism.
Bad news for Rand: Libertarianism also shares tenets with liberalism.

Not that many. Liberals want a centralized system of government to enforce policies that "we the people" nonsense can't accomplish. Liberals want a strong community. -- "It takes a village to raise a child."

I'm beginning to agree that "libertarianism" is just a stupid naive selfish philosophy meant to justify greed and distrust of people and groups.


Not quite.
Liberals want all children to be given a decent education. They want the common trust protected from capitalism (can't loot or destroy what is commonly held), and they want a basic safety net for all citizens. They also want people to be able to live the life the way they choose, free from interference, unless those choices are afflicting others.

That pretty much covers liberalism.
 
2014-02-21 01:56:05 PM

Headso: It's great how people from the state he represents are some of the poorest and in most need of social services in the country. Those rubes are something special, gullibility like that should be celebrated with some kind of coin from the franklin mint.


You exaggerate, but you're correct that Kentucky has a higher poverty rate than the country on average.  But you seem to forget that Kentucky also has a long, long history of dependency on just the types of social services you're talking about.  Rand Paul didn't create that situation, but perhaps they did?  FYI, right now Kentucky is growing at a significantly better clip than average.  You should be cheering that on, unless you only care about the poor as a tool for political arguments.
 
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