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2014-02-21 09:19:59 AM
The Ukraine?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-21 09:29:47 AM

shanrick: The Ukraine?


Yes.  We aren't talking abut just any ukraine here.
 
2014-02-21 10:25:02 AM
Sort of going on. Sort of not. The parliament has resolved to revert to the 2004 constitution, limiting presidential powers. That may be enough to end the protests, at least for now.
 
2014-02-21 10:26:08 AM
As an esteemed Risk expert, any of those Eastern European countries are a biatch to hold onto. You're better off staging a revolt from Australia.
 
2014-02-21 10:26:09 AM
cdn.na16.netdna-cdn.com

/oblig
 
2014-02-21 10:27:08 AM
It wasn't so long ago that 'no one' cared what went on in lands outside our own.  The fact that we care a bit more than before is a good thing, as such things happen in baby steps when they happen at all.  Of course, it doesn't move fast enough for a lot of people and that breeds frustration and despair.
 
2014-02-21 10:27:55 AM
Seems like TFA boils down to the author saying, "Heh, you think Kiev looks bad now? Should've seen it BEFORE the revolution!"
 
Ant
2014-02-21 10:28:38 AM
So what the author is trying to say is that he cared about Ukraine before it was cool? Now he's into this other small country. You wouldn't have heard of it.
 
2014-02-21 10:30:56 AM
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2014-02-21 10:31:32 AM
What does our addiction to disaster porn say about us?

What does our editorializing about our addiction to disaster porn say about us?

What does a fark thread thread about my comment about an article editorializing our addiction to disaster porn say about us?

/it's turtles all the way down.
 
2014-02-21 10:31:43 AM
Yes, I looked at photos and a video of the violence in Kiev.

That makes me a horrible person and I should feel bad for not caring about the Ukraine for many, many years.

I vow right now to give a damn about every single problem in every country on the face of the earth and even in some countries that likely don't exist but I just think they might exist because I misremembered something that I once overheard.

This won't make me a better person.

But it will let me look at a video of a protestor being gunned down without having to feel guilty about it.
 
2014-02-21 10:33:01 AM
CSB- waiting for orders to head there. Typically that happens if it gets a lot better or much worse.
 
2014-02-21 10:33:57 AM
FTA:
"America has its own way of confronting unfathomable horrors: It makes them comprehensible by transforming them into porn. We have poverty porn, disaster porn and, in the ultimate American reconciliation of the sublime, weather porn."

I can attest to this. My town was hit by a bad tornado last year, and frankly, the habit of looking at pictures and videos of damaged houses and crying families quickly becomes disgusting. It's just like the people who drive slowly through damaged neighborhoods pointing at this and that. They are making a spectacle and entertainment out of other people's personal tragedies. It's f*cking sickening.
 
2014-02-21 10:35:50 AM
Yes, subby. Everyone pretends to care for a while, just like Syria and Iran, then get bored and move on. It continues but people stop pretending they give a shiat.
 
2014-02-21 10:38:29 AM
BTW, the people of Ukraine, prefer it to be called Ukraine.  Calling it "The Ukraine" is a Russian preference, which goes back to the old USSR days.  A lot of Ukrainians hate the term "The Ukraine" because they feel that by adding the word "the" that the Russians were just trying to make it sound like a bland geographical region, as opposed to a country with its own culture, people, and rich historical traditions.
 
2014-02-21 10:39:43 AM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: BTW, the people of Ukraine, prefer it to be called Ukraine.  Calling it "The Ukraine" is a Russian preference, which goes back to the old USSR days.  A lot of Ukrainians hate the term "The Ukraine" because they feel that by adding the word "the" that the Russians were just trying to make it sound like a bland geographical region, as opposed to a country with its own culture, people, and rich historical traditions.


I'll just start calling Russia "The Russia" now.
 
2014-02-21 10:41:03 AM

shanrick: The Ukraine?


That kind of bugs me, too. Nobody reports on The Greece, or The Venezuela. The FIFA World Cup isn't taking place in The Brazil.
 
2014-02-21 10:41:21 AM
Never been there.
Getting a kick out of these comments!
 
2014-02-21 10:41:43 AM

abhorrent1: Yes, subby. Everyone pretends to care for a while, just like Syria and Iran, then get bored and move on. It continues but people stop pretending they give a shiat.


In a couple of years if you mention these places and events people will look at you as if you were speaking Chinese .
 
2014-02-21 10:46:11 AM
Article seemed fine, but could have used more pictures.
 
2014-02-21 10:46:23 AM
Moreover, the pronunciation that some broadcasters use bears no resemblance to the word. Youuuuuukraine is not how it's pronounced.

Anyway, the usually good Gynne Dyer had a column a few weeks ago about the subject but I imagine he'll be updating it soon. People are yammering that the second the Olympics are over, Putin'll send in the tanks. I doubt it as politically it would cause a stampede in Eastern Europe toward the EU, it would basically do nothing other than create a worse Chechnya and besides, all he really needs to do as a friend pointed out, is make a phone call to Gazprom to turn off the valves at the border.
 
2014-02-21 10:48:10 AM

cgraves67: FTA:
"America has its own way of confronting unfathomable horrors: It makes them comprehensible by transforming them into porn. We have poverty porn, disaster porn and, in the ultimate American reconciliation of the sublime, weather porn."

I can attest to this. My town was hit by a bad tornado last year, and frankly, the habit of looking at pictures and videos of damaged houses and crying families quickly becomes disgusting. It's just like the people who drive slowly through damaged neighborhoods pointing at this and that. They are making a spectacle and entertainment out of other people's personal tragedies. It's f*cking sickening.


When it comes to Ukraine, I prefer real porn with hot Ukrainian women.
 
2014-02-21 10:48:50 AM

DirkTheDaring: shanrick: The Ukraine?

That kind of bugs me, too. Nobody reports on The Greece, or The Venezuela. The FIFA World Cup isn't taking place in The Brazil.


And yet we have The Gambia, The Congo and The Sudan.
 
2014-02-21 10:49:16 AM

RottenEggs: abhorrent1: Yes, subby. Everyone pretends to care for a while, just like Syria and Iran, then get bored and move on. It continues but people stop pretending they give a shiat.

In a couple of years if you mention these places and events people will look at you as if you were speaking Chinese .



The way things are going, he might actually be.

/ HAIL CHINESE
 
2014-02-21 10:52:25 AM

DirkTheDaring: shanrick: The Ukraine?

That kind of bugs me, too. Nobody reports on The Greece, or The Venezuela. The FIFA World Cup isn't taking place in The Brazil.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-02-21 10:53:30 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: DirkTheDaring: shanrick: The Ukraine?

That kind of bugs me, too. Nobody reports on The Greece, or The Venezuela. The FIFA World Cup isn't taking place in The Brazil.

And yet we have The Gambia, The Congo and The Sudan.


The United States of America.

/ just saying
// it's not a universal thing
 
2014-02-21 10:55:35 AM

DirkTheDaring:  Nobody reports on The Greece, or The Venezuela. The FIFA World Cup isn't taking place in The Brazil.


...or United States.

Also: mer weed wach, rief die Aure un sieht,  en'nem Bild zweschen Breughel un Bosch, kei Minsch, dä öm Sirene jet jitt, weil Entwarnung nur half su vill koss. Et' rüsch noh Kristallnaach.
 
2014-02-21 10:55:38 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: When it comes to Ukraine, I prefer real porn with hot Ukrainian women.


You're one of the good ones... that's what you are.
 
2014-02-21 10:56:55 AM
Sad references to bad journalism are just sad. But, I do know that Christina Aguilera is pregnant; so I have that going for me... and that Woody Allen says he has stopped his quasi-incestous, rapey, and  pediophiling ways with pre-teen girls (ala Roman Polanski )... So, I know I am informed...

Can we blame Bush, Reagan and Thatcher on this yet?  Or just The Germans ( Neo-Nazi, whitey, Slav haters all!)...  How come we don't figure out that Dictators don't like being smoked out~ what with all their secret deals, illegal shenanigans, insider stealing, ignoring the will of the people, and beating heads with big ole truncheons... Sheesh, not enough Unicorns in those Other parts of the World... You would think Miramar and Indonesia and Zimbabwe would get the message.

/whar Femen when you want to see Eastern European white women skin?
 
2014-02-21 10:57:16 AM
This whole thing is terrible. The EU was waiting to throw endless amounts of cash into this second world hole and watch as corrupt officals stole most of it. Now what are we supposed to do? Just throw it all into a hole in the ground and burn it? Think of the carbon emissions!
 
2014-02-21 10:59:13 AM

starsrift: Pants full of macaroni!!: DirkTheDaring: shanrick: The Ukraine?

That kind of bugs me, too. Nobody reports on The Greece, or The Venezuela. The FIFA World Cup isn't taking place in The Brazil.

And yet we have The Gambia, The Congo and The Sudan.

The United States of America.

/ just saying
// it's not a universal thing


We're not consistent with using an article before names that start with "U", either

The United Kingdom
The Uganda

Second the motion to start calling it The Russia,
 
2014-02-21 11:01:00 AM
Y'all do know that Ukraine is the original flyover region?
www.conflicts.rem33.com
 
2014-02-21 11:02:48 AM

StopLurkListen: Second the motion to start calling it The Russia,


latimesblogs.latimes.com

Thirds.  Motion carries.
 
2014-02-21 11:04:26 AM
author:
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2014-02-21 11:05:31 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: DirkTheDaring: shanrick: The Ukraine?

That kind of bugs me, too. Nobody reports on The Greece, or The Venezuela. The FIFA World Cup isn't taking place in The Brazil.

And yet we have The Gambia, The Congo and The Sudan.


That's because "the" is part of these nations' full official name (Republic of the Gambia/the Congo/the Sudan). Also, the Gambia and the Congo are rivers from which said nations took their namesake, further cementing the use of "the".
 
2014-02-21 11:07:44 AM

StopLurkListen: starsrift: Pants full of macaroni!!: DirkTheDaring: shanrick: The Ukraine?

That kind of bugs me, too. Nobody reports on The Greece, or The Venezuela. The FIFA World Cup isn't taking place in The Brazil.

And yet we have The Gambia, The Congo and The Sudan.

The United States of America.

/ just saying
// it's not a universal thing

We're not consistent with using an article before names that start with "U", either

The United Kingdom
The Uganda

Second the motion to start calling it The Russia,


Um, perhaps because "United" is an adjective and "Uganda" isn't, hence the need for "the" before the former?

/geez, people!
 
2014-02-21 11:17:01 AM

NutWrench: What does our addiction to disaster porn say about us?

What does our editorializing about our addiction to disaster porn say about us?


It says Politico doesn't have the money to send their own reporter to Kiev, so they'll just biatch about what other news outlets are reporting.
 
2014-02-21 11:18:12 AM

MBooda: Y'all do know that Ukraine is the original flyover region?
[www.conflicts.rem33.com image 850x572]


When you're a mostly flat plain between Russia and Germany, you're going to have a bad time.

See also: Poland.
 
2014-02-21 11:19:13 AM
I'm sure all of those protestors in Kiev don't mind all of us temporarily paying attention seeing as how our disaster porn addiction is what held back the tanks yesterday.

Yes, we're all too shallow to watch one country's troubles 24/7. But by watching it for one day a corrupt regime had no room to get away with a crackdown. So let's neither wallow in pride nor shame.
 
2014-02-21 11:21:01 AM

Infernalist: It wasn't so long ago that 'no one' cared what went on in lands outside our own.  The fact that we care a bit more than before is a good thing, as such things happen in baby steps when they happen at all.  Of course, it doesn't move fast enough for a lot of people and that breeds frustration and despair.


Sounds like me trying to reconcile my marriage...
\not csb
 
2014-02-21 11:21:06 AM
This is the typical "We're glad you care but you don't really care" article that always comes out during these situations.  Some of us actually have been following events in the region for a while because we're interested and because geopolitics affects the US.
 
2014-02-21 11:27:59 AM
The Ukraine? Is that thing even still going on?

Oh, ya. Oh ya ya. Yalta's got it going on. Link (caution, earworm)
/Can't understand just what does he say, but they seem to be having a big old time.
 
2014-02-21 11:30:23 AM
AJ America is reporting that a deal has been signed by both sides.

New early elections, a 'unity' government composed of all political parties, and reverting back to a 2004 Constitution.
 
2014-02-21 11:34:01 AM
I need to watch things die,
from a good safe distance.
 
2014-02-21 11:37:43 AM

unlikely: Sort of going on. Sort of not. The parliament has resolved to revert to the 2004 constitution, limiting presidential powers. That may be enough to end the protests, at least for now.


And reforming a broad coalition government, and holding elections immidiatly after the 2004 constitution takes place.

I wonder, will the riots end? That is kind of a lot of concessions.
 
2014-02-21 11:41:32 AM

spawn73: unlikely: Sort of going on. Sort of not. The parliament has resolved to revert to the 2004 constitution, limiting presidential powers. That may be enough to end the protests, at least for now.

And reforming a broad coalition government, and holding elections immidiatly after the 2004 constitution takes place.

I wonder, will the riots end? That is kind of a lot of concessions.


From what's being reported, the unofficial leaders of the opposition have agreed to accept the concessions but warn that more talks are needed to end the civil unrest.  I wouldn't doubt that they'll insist on trials for those government agents that ordered violent retaliation.

They shot rioters and then shot the EMTs who rushed to help the wounded rioters.
 
2014-02-21 11:44:28 AM
>>I wonder, will the riots end? That is kind of a lot of concessions. <<

Some groups declared that they will not stop the riot because it's not everything they want.

*shrug* we'll see.

It's also interesting if the riots will begin anew after the elections. It's inevitable for newly elected parliament to be not satisfying for everyone.
 
2014-02-21 11:47:46 AM

gaslight: Moreover, the pronunciation that some broadcasters use bears no resemblance to the word. Youuuuuukraine is not how it's pronounced.

Anyway, the usually good Gynne Dyer had a column a few weeks ago about the subject but I imagine he'll be updating it soon. People are yammering that the second the Olympics are over, Putin'll send in the tanks. I doubt it as politically it would cause a stampede in Eastern Europe toward the EU, it would basically do nothing other than create a worse Chechnya and besides, all he really needs to do as a friend pointed out, is make a phone call to Gazprom to turn off the valves at the border.


Ukraine has an army as well. Russia can't send in tanks, as in, simply roll tanks across the border. They'd actually have to fight a real war against a real army. Ignoring the politically obvious that this isn't even on the table, except as comments from random Americans.

I wonder what the whether is like in Ukraine. Turning the gas off works best if it's cold, otherwise I imagine its just an inconvenience.

The EU would react to the turning off of gas to Ukraine. They might turn off all the gas from Russia, farking up their economy. And perhaps even supply them with gas (is this technically feasible?). Obviously the EU has massive fuel storages anyway, but I am sure how you transport natural gas outside pipelines.
 
2014-02-21 11:49:54 AM

spawn73: gaslight: Moreover, the pronunciation that some broadcasters use bears no resemblance to the word. Youuuuuukraine is not how it's pronounced.

Anyway, the usually good Gynne Dyer had a column a few weeks ago about the subject but I imagine he'll be updating it soon. People are yammering that the second the Olympics are over, Putin'll send in the tanks. I doubt it as politically it would cause a stampede in Eastern Europe toward the EU, it would basically do nothing other than create a worse Chechnya and besides, all he really needs to do as a friend pointed out, is make a phone call to Gazprom to turn off the valves at the border.

Ukraine has an army as well. Russia can't send in tanks, as in, simply roll tanks across the border. They'd actually have to fight a real war against a real army. Ignoring the politically obvious that this isn't even on the table, except as comments from random Americans.

I wonder what the whether is like in Ukraine. Turning the gas off works best if it's cold, otherwise I imagine its just an inconvenience.

The EU would react to the turning off of gas to Ukraine. They might turn off all the gas from Russia, farking up their economy. And perhaps even supply them with gas (is this technically feasible?). Obviously the EU has massive fuel storages anyway, but I am sure how you transport natural gas outside pipelines.


The EU doesn't have the reserves necessary to sustain Ukraine.  Not that it matters, their government just capitulated.  It's mostly over now.
 
2014-02-21 11:51:29 AM

EnglishMan: This whole thing is terrible. The EU was waiting to throw endless amounts of cash into this second world hole and watch as corrupt officals stole most of it. Now what are we supposed to do? Just throw it all into a hole in the ground and burn it? Think of the carbon emissions!


I'd known you were English even without your nick. The Daily Fail comments are always English (please leave the EU soon, we won't miss you.).

Nah, the EU was making a tradeagreement. As in opening up a market for EU products, and being able to purchase all the cheap goodies Ukraine has, ie. natural resources and agricultural products.
 
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