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(BBC)   Kiev before and after becoming a Call of Duty level   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 105
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2014-02-21 08:57:06 AM
A distant shot for once from a foreign correspondent. Also one which doesn't use forced perspective to fabricate scale and numbers. I like it.

img.fark.net
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-21 09:09:31 AM
It's better than, for example, Stalingrad in 1943. The damage is superficial. Bring in heavy equipment to clear the streets, clean up a little fire damage to buildings, and the city will be ready for Putin's victory parade.
 
2014-02-21 09:18:19 AM
havent really been following this mess. What do the protestors want ? Is it regime change etc ? whats the beef
 
2014-02-21 09:19:00 AM
This is what is going to have to happen in America to take it back from the .1%.
 
2014-02-21 09:19:01 AM
I thought you were joking, but damn if it doesn't look like one.
 
2014-02-21 09:21:12 AM

illegal.tender: This is what is going to have to happen in America to take it back from the .1% politicians.


ftfy
 
2014-02-21 09:21:34 AM
Saw this on Livejournal's "50 most recent" yesterday afternoon.

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2014-02-21 09:21:56 AM
Nothing a few hours with a pressure washer can't fix.
 
2014-02-21 09:22:38 AM
Holy fark
 
2014-02-21 09:24:11 AM
The photos of the folks on the barricades reminds me of this, feel they should break into song any moment

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2014-02-21 09:24:41 AM
I knew things were bad, but omg
 
2014-02-21 09:26:12 AM

kindms: havent really been following this mess. What do the protestors want ? Is it regime change etc ? whats the beef


I haven't followed very closely, but from what I got, the protesters want Ukraine to become a part of the EU, but Putin's puppet regime doesn't like it.
 
2014-02-21 09:26:20 AM

jaybeezey: illegal.tender: This is what is going to have to happen in America to take it back from the .1% politicians.

ftfy


Politicians, like the poor, we have always with us. Everyone is a politician. Even the Dalai Lama.
 
2014-02-21 09:26:59 AM

illegal.tender: This is what is going to have to happen in America to take it back from the .1%.


lol
 
2014-02-21 09:27:20 AM

flamark: Nothing a few hours years with a pressure washer can't fix.


FTFY
 
2014-02-21 09:27:36 AM

flamark: Nothing a few hours with a pressure washer can't fix.


news.bbcimg.co.uk

They're already at work.
 
2014-02-21 09:27:36 AM

kindms: havent really been following this mess. What do the protestors want ? Is it regime change etc ? whats the beef


The Ukrainian president rejected a trade deal with the EU to instead strengthen ties with Russia. To say the people aren't happy about it is kinda an understatement.
 
2014-02-21 09:28:03 AM

ZAZ: It's better than, for example, Stalingrad in 1943.


That's a nice, low bar to have to clear.
 
2014-02-21 09:28:39 AM

InterruptingQuirk: A distant shot for once from a foreign correspondent. Also one which doesn't use forced perspective to fabricate scale and numbers. I like it.

[img.fark.net image 850x1132]


I thought the headline was exaggerating. Good grief.
 
2014-02-21 09:28:52 AM
I found out yesterday that some of barricades put up by the protesters are made of bags full of snow and then they pour water over them to make ice walls.

That means that the protesters are The Night's Watch; the police are wights (which is why fire bombing them is the way to go); and putin is either the king of the white walkers or king beyond the wall.
 
2014-02-21 09:29:14 AM

flamark: Nothing a few hours with a pressure washer can't fix.


tbtransplant.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-21 09:29:27 AM
That's an incredibly apt description,  Subby. +1.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-02-21 09:29:27 AM
kindms: havent really been following this mess. What do the protestors want ? Is it regime change etc ? whats the beef

Cold War part deux. They're torn between Russia and the West. Putin can buy off the leaders, but not the whole population.
 
2014-02-21 09:29:33 AM

yakmans_dad: jaybeezey: illegal.tender: This is what is going to have to happen in America to take it back from the .1% politicians.

ftfy

Politicians, like the poor, we have always with us. Everyone is a politician. Even the Dalai Lama.


Everyone can be political, not everyone is a politician.
 
2014-02-21 09:30:15 AM

illegal.tender: This is what is going to have to happen in America to take it back from the .1%.



Imagine what those scenes would look like if Ukraine's government could be sure their military would fire on the public or if they could bring in mercenaries from Blackwater and other merc outfits to do the job for them.
 
2014-02-21 09:30:40 AM

RavenOnyx: I knew things were bad, but omg


And it's far from over.

Freedom and independence - when Putin is trying to reabsorb your country - will take a while. Maybe years, but I hope not.
 
2014-02-21 09:31:28 AM

ZAZ: It's better than, for example, Stalingrad in 1943. The damage is superficial. Bring in heavy equipment to clear the streets, clean up a little fire damage to buildings, and the city will be ready for Putin's victory parade.


Maybe they should plant some trees down one of the main streets. You know, for shade. Putin wouldn't want his troops to get too hot while marching in Kiev.
 
2014-02-21 09:31:46 AM
It looks like my dorm room when we first started experimenting with Four Loko and cocaine.
 
2014-02-21 09:31:50 AM

Flab: flamark: Nothing a few hours with a pressure washer can't fix.

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]

They're already at work.


Quoting self:  The above picture was from a protest in Chile, but the water cannons are at work in Kiev too.
 
2014-02-21 09:36:49 AM

Flab: kindms: havent really been following this mess. What do the protestors want ? Is it regime change etc ? whats the beef

I haven't followed very closely, but from what I got, the protesters want Ukraine to become a part of the EU, but Putin's puppet regime doesn't like it.


The EU vs. Russia issues are incidental. And the ethnic/religious/geographic/cultural divisions in the country are also secondary issues. The problem is that the ruling class made up of the people who amassed the most wealth by appropriating resources when the communism fell have kept stealing all along. The country has been run by a kleptocracy that has been bleeding the nation dry for 20 years. Now that they've taken everything of great value, they are extorting smaller and smaller businesses and individuals. So people were already pissed that these a-holes stole and extorted with impunity.

The cancellation of the EU deal sparked the protests, because it was a 180 turnaround on a policy that had been going on for over a decade and this was done without consulting the public. So not only are the leaders stealing with impunity, now they are also ignoring the constitution and making unilateral political decisions without fear of repercussions. There is was also a sense that further integration with Europe would bring the kinds of institutions and rule of law that would tame some of the looting and corruption. But the EU deal, like I said before is incidental. The issues are corruption and the awakening of the public to the idea that they are supposed to be a democracy and yet the country doesn't function like one. Add to that the memory of the Orange Revoution, which demonstrated that to the people that they can bring down a government if they want it bad enough, and you have the ground set for what is happening today.
 
2014-02-21 09:37:45 AM
Complex alliance systems never work out well for anyone in the long run.
 
2014-02-21 09:38:05 AM
At least the Brotherhood of Steel isn't out roaming the streets... and I don't see a single super-mutant.  This is amateurish.
 
2014-02-21 09:38:11 AM
Apparently the press has a time machine in Ukraine...

news.bbcimg.co.uk
 
2014-02-21 09:38:15 AM
Subby, quit giving Activision ideas.

CoD Ghost 2 Operation Kiev
 
2014-02-21 09:38:50 AM

InterruptingQuirk: A distant shot for once from a foreign correspondent. Also one which doesn't use forced perspective to fabricate scale and numbers. I like it.

[img.fark.net image 850x1132]



I suddenly recognized this picture today with a shock.  I was there five years ago -- it's just part of the downtown Kiev area. You can get there by subway.  Wow!  It is like seeing Times Square gutted and burned.
 
2014-02-21 09:38:54 AM

kindms: havent really been following this mess. What do the protestors want ? Is it regime change etc ? whats the beef


There are a lot of threads in the last few weeks with detailed information from many intelligent and informed farkers, if you care to look. Tho all in all this has been building up since Sept 2014.

Also, Al Jezeera English or America is a great resource to catch up and keep abreast.

/not being difficult, it's just a long story if you want to know in-depth ;-)
 
2014-02-21 09:39:08 AM
Sir... does this mean that Ann Margret's not coming?
 
2014-02-21 09:39:11 AM

illegal.tender: This is what is going to have to happen in America to take it back from the .1%.


^
 
2014-02-21 09:39:40 AM
Unimpressed .
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2014-02-21 09:43:37 AM

kbronsito: The cancellation of the EU deal sparked the protests, because it was a 180 turnaround on a policy that had been going on for over a decade and this was done without consulting the public. So not only are the leaders stealing with impunity, now they are also ignoring the constitution and making unilateral political decisions without fear of repercussions. There is was also a sense that further integration with Europe would bring the kinds of institutions and rule of law that would tame some of the looting and corruption. But the EU deal, like I said before is incidental. The issues are corruption and the awakening of the public to the idea that they are supposed to be a democracy and yet the country doesn't function like one. Add to that the memory of the Orange Revoution, which demonstrated that to the people that they can bring down a government if they want it bad enough, and you have the ground set for what is happening today.


yeah, i think a lot of people had pinned hopes on the EU deal as their best and perhaps last chance to reign in the rampant corruption in the oligarchical government. When that government yanked the rug out from under them at the last minute, it was the final straw needed to galvanize large numbers of people into taking to the streets, because they saw no other alternative left to them.
 
2014-02-21 09:43:43 AM
If you want to help the people of Ukraine:
http://helpeuromaidan.info/

(Site is in Ukranian but if you open it with Chrome, it'll translate; not sure about other languages).
 
2014-02-21 09:44:26 AM

InterruptingQuirk: A distant shot for once from a foreign correspondent. Also one which doesn't use forced perspective to fabricate scale and numbers. I like it.

[img.fark.net image 850x1132]


Yeah... Wow. Subby's headline absolutely NAILED it.
 
2014-02-21 09:44:45 AM
Damage looks worse than it is. The problem, of course, is that it's not the end.

"Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and opposition leaders sign a deal on early presidential polls after months of political crisis." - a new agreement. Early reelections, an optimal way to resolve situation, in my opinion. Unfortunately, many members of the Maidan already declared that they refuse to honor that agreement because it doesn't give them all the want.

Europeans are trying to reason with Maidan, but there is no reasoning there, and opposition leaders don't actually have any control over Maidan.

So it's likely that the things will continue as they are. *shrug* Probably more bodies are going to drop.

If you want, espreso.tv - direct translation, parliament, maidan, etc. Everything in Ukrainian.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4#t=1690481
 
2014-02-21 09:45:12 AM
img.fark.net

/When this finally happens in Washington, it'll spawn a whole new Call of Battlefield franchise.
/"We've digitally scanned the scene of the 20XX riots for perfect accuracy and immersion!"
/"Watch the capitol burn again, now in high definition 3d!"
/"Replay black wednesday as your favorite militant extremist!"
/...and just when we were starting to get new games that WEREN'T fps clones.
 
2014-02-21 09:49:26 AM

Grahor: Europeans are trying to reason with Maidan, but there is no reasoning there, and opposition leaders don't actually have any control over Maidan.


The current government is closely allied with Moscow, are any of the opposition forces allied with any foreign powers?
 
2014-02-21 09:51:11 AM
Snipers picking off unarmed peaceful protesters one by one yesterday. Stay class Ukrainian Government/Putin lovers. You take after your master. Your days are numbered.

i.dailymail.co.uk
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-02-21 09:51:18 AM

way south: and just when we were starting to get new games that WEREN'T fps clones.


FPS clones are yesterday's news.

Now it's DOTA, "Roguelike", and Minecraft clones.
 
2014-02-21 09:51:54 AM

jaybeezey: illegal.tender: This is what is going to have to happen in America to take it back from the .1%   politicians republicans.

ftfy


FTFY
 
2014-02-21 09:52:35 AM

FLMountainMan: jaybeezey: illegal.tender: This is what is going to have to happen in America to take it back from the .1%   politicians republicans. Corporations.

ftfy

FTFY


FTFY
 
2014-02-21 09:56:35 AM
Meh. It's not like downtown Beirut is it? Sh*t wipe off after all. Mostly a lot of surface damage.
 
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