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2014-02-21 10:07:06 AM  
4 votes:
Parliament is passing a whole bunch of resolutions now, including restoring the Constitution of 2004 which limits the presidential powers.  Interestingly, there are about 130 MPs from the Party of Regions voting with the opposition now.  Yanukovych is finished.  I'll try to post some more info in English as it becomes available.
2014-02-21 10:38:35 AM  
2 votes:
Short summary of actions in Parliament today, posted by Mychailo Wynnyckyj:

The Ukrainian Parliament just voted overwhelmingly to re-enact the Constitutional amendments passed in 2004, and then cancelled by the Yanukovych-controlled Constitutional Court in 2010. In other words, Ukraine just became a Parliamentary-Presidential republic again. This means Yanukovych still retains power over the army, and over foreign affairs (Defense and Foreign Ministers remain Presidential appointees), but the rest of the executive branch is now accountable to Parliament. A new formalized coalition majority must now be created in Parliament which will then appoint a new Prime Minister and approve all other Ministerial appointments. Note: there is a possible trap for the opposition here - currently their factions do not formally have enough votes in Parliament to create a coalition. If the Party of Regions can be re-instated as a monolithic entity, and then a deal struck with the Communists and some independents, the new majority may be just as pro-Yanukovych (authoritarian) as under the previous system. Immediately after the Constitutional vote, Parliament also voted with overwhelming unanimity to pass a new law that grants blanket immunity to all those involved in anti-government activities and violence. Not sure about the exact text of this immunity yet... Maidan does not trust any of this, and frankly, I'm with the radicals on this one: as long as Yanukovych is in office, the protests will continue.
2014-02-21 10:13:33 AM  
2 votes:
Exclusive: How Ukraine Wooed Conservative Websites

The Ukrainian campaign began in the run-up to high-stakes Ukrainian parliamentary elections last year, and sought to convince skeptical American conservatives that the pro-Russian Party of Regions, led by President Viktor Yanukovych, deserved American support. During that period, articles echoing Ukrainian government talking points appeared on leading conservative online outlets, including RedState, Breitbart, and Pajamas Media.

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2014-02-21 10:06:01 AM  
2 votes:

Harry Freakstorm: What are the chances of Ukraine splitting in to two or three separate entities?  The western section is more aligned with Europe and the eastern sides with Russia.  That little dangley in the south just needs to avoid Italy's boot.


I'm pretty sure that Russia would not allow the Crimea (dangling bit) to get away scott-free. That has been the traditional base of Russia's Black Sea fleet for centuries.
2014-02-21 09:50:55 AM  
2 votes:
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2014-02-21 08:08:47 AM  
2 votes:
In future news, Kiev in flames again as Putin orders Ukrainian government to put down protesters days after the end of the Olympics.
2014-02-21 07:11:15 PM  
1 votes:

Gunny Highway: SuperNinjaToad: [i.cdn.turner.com image 850x478]


If not now it's only a matter of time before Ukraine goes into a full scale civil war.

Why is that?


Because the differences between the eastern and western part of the country is just too much to bridge. Imagine Republicans living exclusively in one part of the country and Democrats the other. Both groups of folks are in dire financial needs, each group blame the other and they speak different languages.
2014-02-21 06:01:44 PM  
1 votes:

danzak: shiat, this ain't over by a long shot.

From Mychailo Wynnyckyj:

Extremely tense and emotional events unfolding on Maidan tonight. According to the announced plan for tonight, a funeral service for the men who lost their lives yesterday in battles against the regime was supposed to be held. The three opposition party leaders (Yatseniuk, Klitschko, Tiahnybok), Poroshenko and other politicians were invited onto the stage together with priests. The crowd (40-50 thousand people) whistled at them, and demanded explanations regarding today's "deal" with Yanukovych. Most people in the crowd are, to put it mildly, not happy that an agreement was signed with the person they see as responsible for 77 dead and several hundred injured civilians. The funeral service was interrupted when one of the coffins was brought directly to the front of the stage during Klitschko's speech, and the crowd began shouting "who will answer for this?!". Then a "Sotnia" (unit) commander who had personally fought with riot police during the past days, forced his way onto the stage. His short emotional speech, during which he stressed that his unit was very well armed, ended with an ultimatum to the opposition leaders: either force the President's resignation by 10 am tomorrow, and renounce your deal with Yanukovych (according to which an election is scheduled for 10 months from now), or this commander's Sotnia will advance ("storm") the government quarter. Dmytro Yarosh from the Right Sector then came onto the stage and proclaimed essentially the same thing. It should be noted that this morning, over 1000 Interior Ministry troops were withdrawn from the government quarter, and this afternoon those troops who were from southern Ukraine were transported home. However, significant numbers of well armed government troops remain inside the Presidential Administration and Cabinet of Ministers buildings. It is now clear that the opposition's "negotiations" are not acceptable to Maidan, and the political ...


Imagine that, the peaceful protestors are being hijacked by armed extremists hellbent on forcing their view upon everyone else.  Keyword there is forcing.  This happens when the 'leadership' of a protest is not on the streets whilst the more extreme-viewed folks are in the thick of things - they can capitalize on the emotion, and they will because it means they get their way.

Unfortunately, it appears that Klitschko and the rest of the 'leadership' are discovering this the hard way...

This is why you can't generalize protestors, and why attaching 'peaceful' to every single person in a mass is not a sound strategy.  You can be damn sure that Yarosh has never wanted peaceful resolutions to this situation - that robs him of power.  He's the leader of a growing and increasingly militant subfaction - that doesn't happen overnight.
2014-02-21 02:30:23 PM  
1 votes:
shiat, this ain't over by a long shot.

From Mychailo Wynnyckyj:

Extremely tense and emotional events unfolding on Maidan tonight. According to the announced plan for tonight, a funeral service for the men who lost their lives yesterday in battles against the regime was supposed to be held. The three opposition party leaders (Yatseniuk, Klitschko, Tiahnybok), Poroshenko and other politicians were invited onto the stage together with priests. The crowd (40-50 thousand people) whistled at them, and demanded explanations regarding today's "deal" with Yanukovych. Most people in the crowd are, to put it mildly, not happy that an agreement was signed with the person they see as responsible for 77 dead and several hundred injured civilians. The funeral service was interrupted when one of the coffins was brought directly to the front of the stage during Klitschko's speech, and the crowd began shouting "who will answer for this?!". Then a "Sotnia" (unit) commander who had personally fought with riot police during the past days, forced his way onto the stage. His short emotional speech, during which he stressed that his unit was very well armed, ended with an ultimatum to the opposition leaders: either force the President's resignation by 10 am tomorrow, and renounce your deal with Yanukovych (according to which an election is scheduled for 10 months from now), or this commander's Sotnia will advance ("storm") the government quarter. Dmytro Yarosh from the Right Sector then came onto the stage and proclaimed essentially the same thing. It should be noted that this morning, over 1000 Interior Ministry troops were withdrawn from the government quarter, and this afternoon those troops who were from southern Ukraine were transported home. However, significant numbers of well armed government troops remain inside the Presidential Administration and Cabinet of Ministers buildings. It is now clear that the opposition's "negotiations" are not acceptable to Maidan, and the political leaders are NOT in control. Heaven help us, but I feel we're in for more bloodshed - soon.
2014-02-21 12:55:13 PM  
1 votes:
This sums up my impression of Putin right about now:

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I hope Ukraine can find a less bloody way forward. Despite the wishes of some of the old guard in Russia and elsewhere, the USSR is not coming back.
2014-02-21 12:27:41 PM  
1 votes:

RoxtarRyan: I miss their hot President,Yulia Tymoshenko.

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And her daughter, of course.

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She wasn't president, she was Prime Minister. Also, she is one of the key concessions in this treaty. She's been (falsely and brutally) imprisoned for two years for made-up charges brought by Yanukovych and his Russophile cronies. Parliament voted to free her immediately after reverting to the 2004 draft of the constitution. Yanukovych saw her (rightfully) as a contender for power and did away with her like any good soviet dictator....err...President would.
2014-02-21 11:59:27 AM  
1 votes:
Didn't they announce a truce just two days ago?
2014-02-21 11:55:58 AM  
1 votes:
Parliament has passed a resolution to dismiss Interior Minister Zacharchenko.  Also amended the law that was used to imprison Tymoshenko which could lead to her release.

source:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26285352
2014-02-21 11:33:06 AM  
1 votes:
Turns out that Eastern Europe's citizens is not terribly fond of Russia rebuilding the USSR. Funny that
2014-02-21 10:56:09 AM  
1 votes:
The Party of Regions is finished.  They are losing their backers and their offices have been burned across the country.  Here's video form yesterday of a train car full of 'Titushki' who had been fooled about payment. That's Russian being spoken and mostly cursing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhkrMjprUF4
2014-02-21 10:30:54 AM  
1 votes:
Well, the deal manages to move presidential elections up by about five months and calls for a return to parliamentary-based power, which does help cut Yanukovych down to size somewhat. Amnesty for the protesters, that's good, too, for the most part (although I bet that means that all the titushky will get off scot free for things like the Veremiy murder and the Dvoychenkov kidnapping). It also looks like the Party of Regions has some defectors, now, so maybe a new government will form that will keep Yanukovych limited and clean up some of the mess he made.

Bad things: the aforementioned amnesty for titushky, elections are still 10 months away, no mention of EU agreements or minimization of Russian influence, Tymoshenko is still in jail, and Yanukovych is still in office. Good, but I'm not sure that it's enough.
2014-02-21 10:29:33 AM  
1 votes:

Lusiphur: It's ok, we have shiat going down in Venezuela now for all our revolution porn needs.


That Bosnia thing is also picking up...

Anti-government protests continue in Bosnia

Weeks after violent anti-government protests hit several towns and cities in Bosnia-Herzegovina the unrest is continuing and spreading.

Demonstrations are held every day outside government buildings in the capital Sarajevo, and now neighbouring Montenegro and Kosovo have also seen protests.

/blasé
2014-02-21 10:15:49 AM  
1 votes:

cgraves67: Harry Freakstorm: What are the chances of Ukraine splitting in to two or three separate entities?  The western section is more aligned with Europe and the eastern sides with Russia.  That little dangley in the south just needs to avoid Italy's boot.

I'm pretty sure that Russia would not allow the Crimea (dangling bit) to get away scott-free. That has been the traditional base of Russia's Black Sea fleet for centuries.


Yup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol#Russian_naval_base_and_owner sh ip_dispute

Following the breakup of the Soviet Union, Moscow refused to recognise Ukrainian sovereignty over Sevastopol as well as over the surrounding Crimean oblast, using the argument that the city was never practically integrated into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic because of its military status. This claim was relinquished in the bilateral Peace and Friendship Treaty, which confirmed that both the Crimea and Sevastopol belong to Ukraine. A separate treaty established the terms of a long-term lease of land and resources in and around Sevastopol by Russia.

The ex-Soviet Black Sea Fleet and its facilities were divided between Russia's Black Sea Fleet and the Ukrainian Navy. The two navies now co-use some of the city's harbours and piers, while others were demilitarised or used by either country. Sevastopol remains the location of the Russian Black Sea Fleet headquarters with the Ukrainian Naval Forces Headquarters also based in the city. A judicial row periodically continues over the naval hydrographic infrastructure both in Sevastopol and on the Crimean coast (especially lighthouses historically maintained by the Soviet or Russian Navy and also used for civil navigation support).

The status of the Black Sea Fleet has a strong influence over the city's business and cultural life. The Russian society in general and even some outspoken government representatives have never accepted the loss of Sevastopol and tend to regard it as temporarily separated from the homeland.[19] In 2008, Moscow Mayor Yuriy Luzhkov declared that Sevastopol "should again be a Russian city" and appropriated $34 million for "the support of compatriots abroad."[20]
2014-02-21 10:14:22 AM  
1 votes:

Prey4reign: Whatever became of the Orange Revolution?


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It got squeezed and crushed.  Sorry we can't offer you any without pulp in turned sour .

2014-02-21 10:10:28 AM  
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: robv83: The article has an update right below it, that says the peace deal has already collapsed.

"Truce implodes as police fire on Kiev protesters"

well that sucks


Probably from yesterday.  Seems things are holding for now.  There have been police officers joining the protesters now.
2014-02-21 09:58:20 AM  
1 votes:
The article has an update right below it, that says the peace deal has already collapsed.
2014-02-21 09:54:53 AM  
1 votes:
consortiumnews.com
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2014-02-21 09:13:35 AM  
1 votes:

vpb: Yes, Russia has been pushing for "Weird Al" to crack down.

It will be interesting to see if he keeps his part of the bargain.  He could be hoping that the protestors will lose momentum and not be able to re-organize later.


Russia can't lose Ukraine to the EU. Putin's goal of a regional control would come crashing down if the EU and by default America, has direct influence over a border nation they've controlled for 500+ years.
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2014-02-21 09:03:55 AM  
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: In future news, Kiev in flames again as Putin orders Ukrainian government to put down protesters days after the end of the Olympics.


Yes, Russia has been pushing for "Weird Al" to crack down.

It will be interesting to see if he keeps his part of the bargain.  He could be hoping that the protestors will lose momentum and not be able to re-organize later.
 
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