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2014-02-21 08:05:53 AM
Sounds good.  Hopefully this settles things down.
 
2014-02-21 08:08:47 AM
In future news, Kiev in flames again as Putin orders Ukrainian government to put down protesters days after the end of the Olympics.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-21 09:03:55 AM

WTF Indeed: In future news, Kiev in flames again as Putin orders Ukrainian government to put down protesters days after the end of the Olympics.


Yes, Russia has been pushing for "Weird Al" to crack down.

It will be interesting to see if he keeps his part of the bargain.  He could be hoping that the protestors will lose momentum and not be able to re-organize later.
 
2014-02-21 09:13:35 AM

vpb: Yes, Russia has been pushing for "Weird Al" to crack down.

It will be interesting to see if he keeps his part of the bargain.  He could be hoping that the protestors will lose momentum and not be able to re-organize later.


Russia can't lose Ukraine to the EU. Putin's goal of a regional control would come crashing down if the EU and by default America, has direct influence over a border nation they've controlled for 500+ years.
 
2014-02-21 09:50:55 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-21 09:51:49 AM
The Ukraine is weak!
 
2014-02-21 09:51:59 AM
It says opposition protesters should hand over any weapons and withdraw from buildings they have occupied and protest camps around the country.

Sounds legit, the protesters should totally do it.
 
2014-02-21 09:53:39 AM
 
2014-02-21 09:54:23 AM
This smells like disinformation. Like Baghdad Bob but done competently.
 
2014-02-21 09:54:43 AM

Mad_Radhu: The Ukraine is weak!


l2.yimg.com

/soon
 
2014-02-21 09:54:53 AM
consortiumnews.com
/Oblig
 
2014-02-21 09:57:11 AM
 
2014-02-21 09:57:58 AM
The unlikely tag shuffles his feet...
 
2014-02-21 09:58:20 AM
The article has an update right below it, that says the peace deal has already collapsed.
 
2014-02-21 09:58:31 AM

netweavr: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-02-21/polish-minister-tells-prote s t-leader-you-will-all-be-dead/


Poland giving out ultimatums? Well, how about that
 
2014-02-21 10:01:52 AM

USCLaw2010: netweavr: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-02-21/polish-minister-tells-prote s t-leader-you-will-all-be-dead/

Poland giving out ultimatums? Well, how about that


They grow up so fast these days, don't they?
 
2014-02-21 10:01:52 AM
What are the chances of Ukraine splitting in to two or three separate entities?  The western section is more aligned with Europe and the eastern sides with Russia.  That little dangley in the south just needs to avoid Italy's boot.

i.infoplease.com
 
2014-02-21 10:05:04 AM
Whatever became of the Orange Revolution?


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com


It got squeezed and crushed.  Sorry we can't offer you any without pulp in it.
 
2014-02-21 10:06:01 AM

Harry Freakstorm: What are the chances of Ukraine splitting in to two or three separate entities?  The western section is more aligned with Europe and the eastern sides with Russia.  That little dangley in the south just needs to avoid Italy's boot.


I'm pretty sure that Russia would not allow the Crimea (dangling bit) to get away scott-free. That has been the traditional base of Russia's Black Sea fleet for centuries.
 
2014-02-21 10:07:02 AM

robv83: The article has an update right below it, that says the peace deal has already collapsed.


"Truce implodes as police fire on Kiev protesters"

well that sucks
 
2014-02-21 10:07:06 AM
Parliament is passing a whole bunch of resolutions now, including restoring the Constitution of 2004 which limits the presidential powers.  Interestingly, there are about 130 MPs from the Party of Regions voting with the opposition now.  Yanukovych is finished.  I'll try to post some more info in English as it becomes available.
 
2014-02-21 10:07:20 AM
The tag should be --UNLIKELY--

This peace 'deal' is just a stalling tactic so Yanukovych can have his snipers shoot down more people in the street.
 
2014-02-21 10:08:32 AM
I thought we were seeing the beginnings of a civil war.  Perhaps it's not too late to turn things around....
 
2014-02-21 10:09:28 AM

ltdanman44: I thought we were seeing the beginnings of a civil war.  Perhaps it's not too late to turn things around....


This is probably the last shot to avoid it. If this breaks down, I think it's unlikely either side would be willing to compromise again anytime soon
 
2014-02-21 10:10:23 AM

robv83: The article has an update right below it, that says the peace deal has already collapsed.


I don't see any upda--ohhhh...
 
2014-02-21 10:10:28 AM

Voiceofreason01: robv83: The article has an update right below it, that says the peace deal has already collapsed.

"Truce implodes as police fire on Kiev protesters"

well that sucks


Probably from yesterday.  Seems things are holding for now.  There have been police officers joining the protesters now.
 
2014-02-21 10:13:33 AM
Exclusive: How Ukraine Wooed Conservative Websites

The Ukrainian campaign began in the run-up to high-stakes Ukrainian parliamentary elections last year, and sought to convince skeptical American conservatives that the pro-Russian Party of Regions, led by President Viktor Yanukovych, deserved American support. During that period, articles echoing Ukrainian government talking points appeared on leading conservative online outlets, including RedState, Breitbart, and Pajamas Media.

Farks freep favs! No whey!
 
2014-02-21 10:14:22 AM

Prey4reign: Whatever became of the Orange Revolution?


[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 208x242]


It got squeezed and crushed.  Sorry we can't offer you any without pulp in turned sour .

 
2014-02-21 10:15:17 AM

Cold_Sassy: The unlikely tag shuffles his feet...


Yep.

For the revolutionaries, who are right IMHO, this isn't about today or tomorrow.

It's about ALWAYS.
 
2014-02-21 10:15:18 AM

danzak: Voiceofreason01: robv83: The article has an update right below it, that says the peace deal has already collapsed.

"Truce implodes as police fire on Kiev protesters"

well that sucks

Probably from yesterday.  Seems things are holding for now.  There have been police officers joining the protesters now.


You're right, the peace deal seems to be holding for now.
 
2014-02-21 10:15:49 AM

cgraves67: Harry Freakstorm: What are the chances of Ukraine splitting in to two or three separate entities?  The western section is more aligned with Europe and the eastern sides with Russia.  That little dangley in the south just needs to avoid Italy's boot.

I'm pretty sure that Russia would not allow the Crimea (dangling bit) to get away scott-free. That has been the traditional base of Russia's Black Sea fleet for centuries.


Yup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol#Russian_naval_base_and_owner sh ip_dispute

Following the breakup of the Soviet Union, Moscow refused to recognise Ukrainian sovereignty over Sevastopol as well as over the surrounding Crimean oblast, using the argument that the city was never practically integrated into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic because of its military status. This claim was relinquished in the bilateral Peace and Friendship Treaty, which confirmed that both the Crimea and Sevastopol belong to Ukraine. A separate treaty established the terms of a long-term lease of land and resources in and around Sevastopol by Russia.

The ex-Soviet Black Sea Fleet and its facilities were divided between Russia's Black Sea Fleet and the Ukrainian Navy. The two navies now co-use some of the city's harbours and piers, while others were demilitarised or used by either country. Sevastopol remains the location of the Russian Black Sea Fleet headquarters with the Ukrainian Naval Forces Headquarters also based in the city. A judicial row periodically continues over the naval hydrographic infrastructure both in Sevastopol and on the Crimean coast (especially lighthouses historically maintained by the Soviet or Russian Navy and also used for civil navigation support).

The status of the Black Sea Fleet has a strong influence over the city's business and cultural life. The Russian society in general and even some outspoken government representatives have never accepted the loss of Sevastopol and tend to regard it as temporarily separated from the homeland.[19] In 2008, Moscow Mayor Yuriy Luzhkov declared that Sevastopol "should again be a Russian city" and appropriated $34 million for "the support of compatriots abroad."[20]
 
2014-02-21 10:17:07 AM
At least there are now less annoying billboards and signs all over the place.   They were really an eyesore.
 
2014-02-21 10:18:06 AM
It's ok, we have shiat going down in Venezuela now for all our revolution porn needs.
 
2014-02-21 10:19:54 AM
Not that that region has ever been stable but this is getting "powder keggy."  Uzbekistan is far from stable at the moment.
 
2014-02-21 10:24:18 AM

Gunny Highway: Not that that region has ever been stable but this is getting "powder keggy."  Uzbekistan is far from stable at the moment.


It's almost funny, in comparison.  We complain about our political dysfunction, but that's as far as it gets.  Around the world, many people die due to their countries political dysfunction.

The US has a rather stable form of dysfunction, I guess.
 
2014-02-21 10:29:33 AM

Lusiphur: It's ok, we have shiat going down in Venezuela now for all our revolution porn needs.


That Bosnia thing is also picking up...

Anti-government protests continue in Bosnia

Weeks after violent anti-government protests hit several towns and cities in Bosnia-Herzegovina the unrest is continuing and spreading.

Demonstrations are held every day outside government buildings in the capital Sarajevo, and now neighbouring Montenegro and Kosovo have also seen protests.

/blasé
 
2014-02-21 10:30:54 AM
Well, the deal manages to move presidential elections up by about five months and calls for a return to parliamentary-based power, which does help cut Yanukovych down to size somewhat. Amnesty for the protesters, that's good, too, for the most part (although I bet that means that all the titushky will get off scot free for things like the Veremiy murder and the Dvoychenkov kidnapping). It also looks like the Party of Regions has some defectors, now, so maybe a new government will form that will keep Yanukovych limited and clean up some of the mess he made.

Bad things: the aforementioned amnesty for titushky, elections are still 10 months away, no mention of EU agreements or minimization of Russian influence, Tymoshenko is still in jail, and Yanukovych is still in office. Good, but I'm not sure that it's enough.
 
2014-02-21 10:32:00 AM

neversubmit: Lusiphur: It's ok, we have shiat going down in Venezuela now for all our revolution porn needs.

That Bosnia thing is also picking up...

Anti-government protests continue in Bosnia

Weeks after violent anti-government protests hit several towns and cities in Bosnia-Herzegovina the unrest is continuing and spreading.

Demonstrations are held every day outside government buildings in the capital Sarajevo, and now neighbouring Montenegro and Kosovo have also seen protests.

/blasé


What's the latest word on Turkey? Is Erdogan still being an asshole?
 
2014-02-21 10:35:47 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com


I think we can trust the President of Cub....errr Russia
 
2014-02-21 10:37:08 AM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-21 10:38:35 AM
Short summary of actions in Parliament today, posted by Mychailo Wynnyckyj:

The Ukrainian Parliament just voted overwhelmingly to re-enact the Constitutional amendments passed in 2004, and then cancelled by the Yanukovych-controlled Constitutional Court in 2010. In other words, Ukraine just became a Parliamentary-Presidential republic again. This means Yanukovych still retains power over the army, and over foreign affairs (Defense and Foreign Ministers remain Presidential appointees), but the rest of the executive branch is now accountable to Parliament. A new formalized coalition majority must now be created in Parliament which will then appoint a new Prime Minister and approve all other Ministerial appointments. Note: there is a possible trap for the opposition here - currently their factions do not formally have enough votes in Parliament to create a coalition. If the Party of Regions can be re-instated as a monolithic entity, and then a deal struck with the Communists and some independents, the new majority may be just as pro-Yanukovych (authoritarian) as under the previous system. Immediately after the Constitutional vote, Parliament also voted with overwhelming unanimity to pass a new law that grants blanket immunity to all those involved in anti-government activities and violence. Not sure about the exact text of this immunity yet... Maidan does not trust any of this, and frankly, I'm with the radicals on this one: as long as Yanukovych is in office, the protests will continue.
 
2014-02-21 10:43:39 AM

phyrkrakr: neversubmit: Lusiphur: It's ok, we have shiat going down in Venezuela now for all our revolution porn needs.

That Bosnia thing is also picking up...

Anti-government protests continue in Bosnia

Weeks after violent anti-government protests hit several towns and cities in Bosnia-Herzegovina the unrest is continuing and spreading.

Demonstrations are held every day outside government buildings in the capital Sarajevo, and now neighbouring Montenegro and Kosovo have also seen protests.

/blasé

What's the latest word on Turkey? Is Erdogan still being an asshole?


Of course, when is he anything but?
 
2014-02-21 10:46:13 AM

neversubmit: phyrkrakr: neversubmit: Lusiphur: It's ok, we have shiat going down in Venezuela now for all our revolution porn needs.

That Bosnia thing is also picking up...

Anti-government protests continue in Bosnia

Weeks after violent anti-government protests hit several towns and cities in Bosnia-Herzegovina the unrest is continuing and spreading.

Demonstrations are held every day outside government buildings in the capital Sarajevo, and now neighbouring Montenegro and Kosovo have also seen protests.

/blasé

What's the latest word on Turkey? Is Erdogan still being an asshole?

Of course, when is he anything but?


What's the deal with this  Gülen dude hiding out in Pennsylvania? I hadn't heard about him before.
 
2014-02-21 10:56:09 AM
The Party of Regions is finished.  They are losing their backers and their offices have been burned across the country.  Here's video form yesterday of a train car full of 'Titushki' who had been fooled about payment. That's Russian being spoken and mostly cursing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhkrMjprUF4
 
2014-02-21 10:56:10 AM

lindalouwho: Cold_Sassy: The unlikely tag shuffles his feet...

Yep.

For the revolutionaries, who are right IMHO, this isn't about today or tomorrow.

It's about ALWAYS.


My boss, who is active military got sent to Romania at the beginning of this month.  To tell you the truth, I don't follow world politics very closely (until something like this happens) and I wondered why the heck they sent him to Romania.   He is due back next Thursday, hope he makes it on time.
 
2014-02-21 11:08:48 AM

Harry Freakstorm: What are the chances of Ukraine splitting in to two or three separate entities?  The western section is more aligned with Europe and the eastern sides with Russia.  That little dangley in the south just needs to avoid Italy's boot.

[i.infoplease.com image 505x490]


Russia mainly just cares about Sevestapool anyway .. just give it to them, if it get's them out of Ukraine's business a little bit.
 
2014-02-21 11:09:25 AM

neversubmit: That Bosnia thing is also picking up...


Nah, we already saw that one, and this is just a nostalgia-milking remake. Not as good as the origina. I give it a 67%.

phyrkrakr: What's the latest word on Turkey?


Gobble.

/got nothing
 
2014-02-21 11:10:35 AM

Lusiphur: neversubmit: That Bosnia thing is also picking up...

Nah, we already saw that one, and this is just a nostalgia-milking remake. Not as good as the origina. I give it a 67%.

phyrkrakr: What's the latest word on Turkey?

Gobble.

/got nothing


The 1908 one?
 
2014-02-21 11:11:41 AM
In Ukraine, Bloc Party find YOU.
 
2014-02-21 11:12:13 AM

Cold_Sassy: lindalouwho: Cold_Sassy: The unlikely tag shuffles his feet...

Yep.

For the revolutionaries, who are right IMHO, this isn't about today or tomorrow.

It's about ALWAYS.

My boss, who is active military got sent to Romania at the beginning of this month.  To tell you the truth, I don't follow world politics very closely (until something like this happens) and I wondered why the heck they sent him to Romania.   He is due back next Thursday, hope he makes it on time.


We all have different interests - makes the world go 'round :-)

I'm wondering if your boss got sent there as part of the huge ring of security for the Olympics, the time-frame sure sounds like it. Hmmm, the time-frame also fits the escalation of the Ukraine uprising.... interesting. Now I'm wondering how many have been temporarily deployed to that part of the world.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for his safe return.
 
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