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(Arizona Star)   In a desperate bid to get the state its own Fark tag, Arizona lawmakers want to reject Common Core standards because of some new-fangled fuzzy math that replaces numbers with letters   (azstarnet.com) divider line 257
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2014-02-21 06:59:32 AM
Teaching Al-Gebra is the first step towards Sharia Law.
 
2014-02-21 07:06:19 AM
They also weren't too keen with questions that asked them to solve for Malcolm X.
 
2014-02-21 07:09:40 AM
Common Core is like Scientology, its a money-making cult. And it is pretty messed up.
 
2014-02-21 07:14:58 AM
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2014-02-21 07:15:10 AM
FTA And he said the program uses "fuzzy math,'' substituting letters for numbers in some examples.


Could we send homo sapiens back to the drawing board?
 
2014-02-21 07:15:43 AM
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2014-02-21 07:15:54 AM
FTA: Melvin, a candidate for governor, said that "as a conservative Reagan Republican I'm ..."

... an idiot grandstanding to the detriment of your children."
 
2014-02-21 07:16:49 AM
I think I recall some right wingers railing against teaching set theory or proofs  or similar as a part of math because math is god given and not something to be describe as constructed by mere humans.
 
2014-02-21 07:17:37 AM
Gee, I wonder what party he belongs to. Both sides are bad, after all.
 
2014-02-21 07:17:52 AM
Arizona would definitely be up there in the running for new state tag.
 
2014-02-21 07:23:35 AM
Common core? Thats where 2+2=potato but as long as you get the concept you pass? Cant wait til these kids become engineers, their structures will be unsound but their self esteem will be intact
 
2014-02-21 07:26:20 AM
PIE IS EXACTLY 3!!!
 
2014-02-21 07:26:25 AM
Children in backward areas should have their educational standards set by the locals. Don't worry; America will still be #1, because Jesus.
 
2014-02-21 07:26:52 AM
Sen. Al Melvin, R-Tucson, who championed SB 1310, said he does not doubt that the concept of some nationally recognized standards started out as a "pretty admirable pursuit by the private sector and governors.''

"It got hijacked by Washington, by the federal government,'' he said.


Is this a flat-out admission that he thinks education should be run by for-profit businesses?  If so, then he should have been okay with Common Core, because:

The votes took place despite warnings from corporate executives and business groups that any move away from Common Core is a bad idea.

You know what?  If corporate executives and business groups are for it, maybe Common Core isn't that great.
 
2014-02-21 07:27:38 AM
When asked if he had read the common core his response was "I've been exposed to it." Meaning some aid cherry picked the parts he knew his boss wouldn't like and showed him. Or he just dug up some gem by Palin or Breitbart and read that.
I wonder if he thinks that would fly as an answer to a question asked by a teacher.
"Did you do last night's reading?"
"I was exposed to it."
 
2014-02-21 07:27:44 AM
They are not truly representative of us. They are unhinged as they see their dominance coming to an end.
 
2014-02-21 07:30:34 AM
So? I do math with letters all the time.

E + F = 1D

C + 1/2 = C#
 
2014-02-21 07:31:05 AM

TheSwissNavy: Common Core is like Scientology, its a money-making cult. And it is pretty messed up.


Can you point out which of these standards are cult-like or messed up?
 
2014-02-21 07:31:37 AM
Sorry, Nadie. Born, raised and fled. This has our stupid inbred hick mixed with Scottsdale financial sensibilities all over it.
 
2014-02-21 07:32:18 AM
Goddamn first thing I looked at on the internet this morning and now I have to start my day pissed off. Thanks a lot fark
 
2014-02-21 07:32:37 AM

Onkel Buck: Common core? Thats where 2+2=potato but as long as you get the concept you pass? Cant wait til these kids become engineers, their structures will be unsound but their self esteem will be intact


No, it's where 45 states (well, 44 if this passes) agree that students have to reach a set level of proficiency in math and English skills to advance to the next grade, so that someone having a high school diploma has a universally understood skillset whether they graduated in Massachusetts or Mississippi. Not having an agreed upon standards is far more likely to get you that "prize for participation" mentality that you claim happens in the program.

generallyso: FTA And he said the program uses "fuzzy math,'' substituting letters for numbers in some examples.


Could we send homo sapiens back to the drawing board?


How is this article not satire? Seriously: a state is considering rejecting teaching students to a set standard because they find basic Algebra to be suspicious?
 
2014-02-21 07:36:16 AM
"When did they start putting letters with it?"

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2014-02-21 07:36:35 AM

wxboy: You know what?  If corporate executives and business groups are for it, maybe Common Core isn't that great.


It's not  great, that's not what it's supposed to be.  It's literally the  minimum acceptable standard.

If AZ was rejecting common core on the grounds that it wasn't a high enough standard to hold schools to and that it'd take all of like five minutes to come up with some substantially higher and better requirements to rely on, I'd be right there with them.

However, they're rejecting them because they feel the standards are too  high.  Think about that for a moment, the entire nation got together to specifically, intentionally outline literally the  absolute worst a curriculum could be and still call the institution a school... and they all agreed that these rules were just barely the list of things a hair above "not even being a school at all"... and this guy is complaining that they're too  difficult.

Think about what that says about this man's intelligence.

Well, you don't need to, since the man literally said he doesn't understand even conceptually what Algebra is, meaning (since it was taught in his schools) that his IQ is really obviously in the range that's usually considered having a congenital mental handicap.  But, I mean, in theory.  And the fact that the rest of the people on his committee are going along with this does not say good things about them.

// Business leaders are in favor of common core because you train employees using written materials so they really need the work-force to be functionally literate.
 
2014-02-21 07:36:43 AM
wxboy:

You know what?  If corporate executives and business groups are for it, maybe Common Core isn't that great.

Yeah, just like increases in STEM education!  If they are for it, maybe we should be against it!
 
2014-02-21 07:37:39 AM
I thought that h/l was a joke. Wow.
 
2014-02-21 07:38:49 AM
RDRR


There are some issues with common core, mainly centering around disastrous implementation. But this, well this is pure distilled GOP derpshine, fresh from the still.
 
2014-02-21 07:38:54 AM
If he has a problem with high school algebra, just wait until he finds out those communists are teaching "group theory" in college algebra.
 
2014-02-21 07:41:23 AM
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2014-02-21 07:41:54 AM

Jim_Callahan: Business leaders are in favor of common core because you train employees using written materials so they really need the work-force to be functionally literate.


Ironically, the people who demand that you must be fluent in English if you want to live in America are deeply offended that schools would force you to learn how to be literate.
 
2014-02-21 07:42:13 AM

notto: wxboy:

You know what?  If corporate executives and business groups are for it, maybe Common Core isn't that great.

Yeah, just like increases in STEM education!  If they are for it, maybe we should be against it!


Sorry, I overreacted.  I saw "corporate executives" and immediately equated it with "Wall Street bank CEOs", which is probably not the case here.
 
2014-02-21 07:44:40 AM

vernonFL: Teaching Al-Gebra is the first step towards Sharia Law.


It is actually Al-jebr, and yes it did start in the Arabic world.

Weird that they are so backward in so many ways today but were so advanced a few centuries ago.

Frankly I'm surprised no one has tried to ban Algebra in the US before now.
 
2014-02-21 07:45:01 AM
People only go to school in Arizona so they can be close to the ocean anyways.
 
2014-02-21 07:45:11 AM
"some of the reading material is borderline pornographic.''

Can someone explain to me how common core can be perceived as porn?
 
2014-02-21 07:45:13 AM
Grungehamster:  Ironically, the people who demand that you must be fluent in English if you want to live in America are deeply offended that schools would force you to learn how to be literate.

I'll be using that one, if you don't mind.
 
2014-02-21 07:45:23 AM
Someone is substituting numbers with potatoes.
 
2014-02-21 07:46:03 AM

Mjeck: "some of the reading material is borderline pornographic.''

Can someone explain to me how common core can be perceived as porn?


You'll know it when you see it.
 
2014-02-21 07:46:15 AM
I literally almost punched my monitor when reading the "fuzzy math" paragraph.  Then I remembered that the future survival of both republicans and the religious depend upon an uneducated populace with zero critical thinking skills.

When my state adopted the common core I noticed that some of my kids's homework was easier, and some was more difficult.  I like that it forces more reading into math for elementary students.

One thing that hasn't changed with the common core; I am still able to teach concepts to my children that I think are important and give them a leg up over their peers (such as more advanced math concepts, higher level physical science, and critical/logical thinking).
 
2014-02-21 07:46:37 AM

Mjeck: "some of the reading material is borderline pornographic.''

Can someone explain to me how common core can be perceived as porn?


Look at all those X's in the math books! x3 must mean XXX, which means PORN!

/Or alcohol, if you're an old cartoon
 
2014-02-21 07:48:24 AM
One day, I dream of an America where roving bands of cats in hats are no longer a threat to our a society!
 
2014-02-21 07:50:13 AM

Wendy's Chili: Gee, I wonder what party he belongs to. Both sides are bad, after all.


Both sides certainly hate common core.
 
2014-02-21 07:50:45 AM

Grungehamster: Jim_Callahan: Business leaders are in favor of common core because you train employees using written materials so they really need the work-force to be functionally literate.

Ironically, the people who demand that you must be fluent in English if you want to live in America are deeply offended that schools would force you to learn how to be literate.


Look, things would move much quicker if we could all sign documents with an X. Why are you so against efficiency?
 
2014-02-21 07:50:53 AM

Mjeck: "some of the reading material is borderline pornographic.''

Can someone explain to me how common core can be perceived as porn?


I imagine someone told him that Grapes of Wrath, a known pornographic novel (where is that sarcasm tag?), is on the recommended reading list for high school,students.
 
2014-02-21 07:53:12 AM

Mjeck: "some of the reading material is borderline pornographic.''

Can someone explain to me how common core can be perceived as porn?


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2014-02-21 07:53:32 AM

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I'm calling shenanigans on this one.
 
2014-02-21 07:54:07 AM

Mjeck: "some of the reading material is borderline pornographic.''

Can someone explain to me how common core can be perceived as porn?


They're teaching elementary school kids words like penal, venerated, and sextant! It's sick I tell you!
 
2014-02-21 07:55:38 AM
I read the other day on FARK.com that Common Core is also a conspiracy of the Obama administration and the UN to infect our public schools with SOCIALISM!!!

On a more serious note, I've read that many teachers are also concerned about CC, but the vocal fringe, once again, seems to be drowning out any reasonable debate.

/Unless that poisoning of the well is the REAL conspiracy!!
 
2014-02-21 07:57:08 AM

Lsherm: Wendy's Chili: Gee, I wonder what party he belongs to. Both sides are bad, after all.

Both sides certainly hate common core.


Well, if by "Both Sides" you mean Tea Partiers and Libertarians then I guess you are right.  One group calls it Obamacore and the other hates everything the government does.  I especially like the rant about "test prep teaching" where, gasp, kids are expected demonstrate reading comprehension!
 
2014-02-21 07:57:59 AM
As an educator, can't say I'm the biggest fan of Common Core.  I already feel education is way to tied up with the flavor of the month ideas and buzzwords, but this guy is incredibly ignorant and should not be anywhere near education policy.
 
2014-02-21 07:59:15 AM
New York recently voted to delay full implementation until 2022.  I believe that is just for the Regents Board though, so high school.

That's really the way it should have been implemented from the start.  Start with first grade, and then add one grade at a time.

Trying to implement it all at once has left a number of gaps that the teachers have to fill while teaching the new material because the can't do the new material without the old material.

I am lucky because I teach third grade, so students coming to me at this point are already in the midst of common core, and if they aren't, the amount of gaps needed to be filled are minimal.

I am also lucky because I teach in Catholic school so my students don't take the state tests.
 
2014-02-21 08:02:59 AM

quantum_csc: I literally almost punched my monitor when reading the "fuzzy math" paragraph.  Then I remembered that the future survival of both republicans and the religious depend upon an uneducated populace with zero critical thinking skills.

When my state adopted the common core I noticed that some of my kids's homework was easier, and some was more difficult.  I like that it forces more reading into math for elementary students.

One thing that hasn't changed with the common core; I am still able to teach concepts to my children that I think are important and give them a leg up over their peers (such as more advanced math concepts, higher level physical science, and critical/logical thinking).


I just chuckle thinking how badly it would end if you stuck this chucklefark in a classroom with a #2pencil and a test on fuzzy math.
 
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