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(Daily Mail)   The wife of Scientologist leader David Miscavige isn't missing. She's being held by force at a secret Scientology compound without contact with the outside world after questioning her husband's infallibility. See, very different   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 201
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2014-02-21 04:35:51 AM  
AverageAmericanGuy:
And a professor of English may love to chat with you about Shakespeare on Sunday afternoons at the park, but if you really want to learn at a deep level you're going to have to pay up.

You ever see how much college costs these days?


You haven't met many professors, have you? Every professor I've ever met is willing to expound at length on their specialty, because they love it and want others to love it. Ask nicely, and you might even be able to take the class for free. It's the registrars who are the real jerks, because unless they get theirs, there's no proof you took the class.

You don't pay a university for the knowledge. You pay for the proof you got the knowledge. The knowledge can be had for free.
 
2014-02-21 04:38:38 AM  
Can we talk about how this guy's wife is possibly being tortured in solitary confinement right now, for all we know? In a compound surrounded by razor wire fences and assumably armed guards? They are so insular and secretive I don't think even the federal gov would try to gain access to see what they're up to.

Also, as mentioned upthread, they don't tell people anything about aliens. Not unless you advance to the highest levels, after years of loyally paying tens of thousands. When newbies walk in they talk self-help about reducing stress, dealing with emotion etc. The gullible are taken in sometimes. But I've read elsewhere that they have a much smaller following than people realize.

Oh, also Sea Org. They buy ships, dress up and play navy. But not as a joke, it's in all seriousness a part of their practices. Because Hubbard was in the navy. (Kicked out for being loony, I think it was)

It's also possible 'they' are reading this thread, frikkin weirdos. They've been known to keep track of people who have criticized their group, and in some cases harrass them in old-fashioned ways (IRL). Or plant commenters in the thread.
 
2014-02-21 04:43:03 AM  

ransack.: 2chris2: David Miscavich, the head of scientology's wife isn't missing

I had to read that about 10 times before I finally figured out what subby was trying to say.

Scientology head David Miscavige's wife isn't missing.

No David Miscavige is his wife's missing head


It's been hiding in California for 20 years. Something something child support payments.

/Referencing another thread where the headline had clearly gone through Google translate from its native drunk.
 
2014-02-21 04:51:07 AM  

The Numbers: 2chris2: David Miscavich, the head of scientology's wife isn't missing

I had to read that about 10 times before I finally figured out what subby was trying to say.

Scientology head David Miscavige's wife isn't missing.

Are you sure that's right? I'm thinking subby was actually trying to say:

Scientologist David Miscavige isn't missing wife's head.


As in, he isn't the missing head of his wife, or he is not currently missing her head?

Not missing her head as in, he knows its location, or he doesn't pine for it?
 
2014-02-21 04:54:15 AM  

wildcardjack: Frederick: I've always wanted to ask a scientologist, why -why did you decide to be a scientologist?

I give you one of their "you must be a pedophile" routine but I don't have it in me. Just check some of the YouTube vids of people trying to ask questions. They're not pleasant once they get entrenched. In a strange bit of projection, they become what they'd call repressive personalities.


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2014-02-21 04:58:02 AM  

IlGreven: Cosmic_Music: if only there were some sort of bureau that could federally investigate this

/who ya gonna call

Yes, I'm sure after the IRS was called out for investigating groups whose primary purpose was to avoid paying taxes, they'll try and challenge the tax-exempt status of a religious organization.  I'm sure no one will have a problem with that.


Look man, I voted for Obama twice, but the people behind that IRS scheme looking into the republican PACs or whatever, they admitted that what they did was wrong and unfair. There's nobody at all out there defending that. Those guys are gone now. So whose face are you trying to rub it in?
 
2014-02-21 05:06:12 AM  
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2014-02-21 05:14:38 AM  

Frederick: I've always wanted to ask a scientologist, why -why did you decide to be a scientologist?


all religion is delusion.
scientology? the creme of the crop
 
2014-02-21 05:16:00 AM  

Shadi: [img.fark.net image 669x358]


so only eat meat?

but seriously, WHY hasnt there been a writ of habeas corpus yet? to produce her?
doesnt she have any living biological family??
 
2014-02-21 05:16:29 AM  

TheJoe03: Old enough to know better: Frederick: I've always wanted to ask a scientologist, why -why did you decide to be a scientologist?

This. Especially Hollywood actors. I mean really, Aliens? Is your skepticism threshold really that low?

I have a hard enough time buying the stuff in the Bible.

A religion with aliens would actually make more sense than the Bible. The real problem with Scientology is that it's way too new so it doesn't have the mythical mystique of the ancient religions have. It's the same issue Mormons have and more people think those two religion are cults than the traditional religions.


Yet still, we had one running for president through a major party just a couple years ago.

I make no bones about it, I know that all religions are false, but I especially know that Mormonism and Scientology are false. I'd like to make a distinction here - I do not know if there is some super powerful creator, or if humans are actually living in a complicated computer simulation ala the matrix, or whatever, but I do know that religion is false. Omnipotence is false so long as we have free will. You can't have both at the same time. I don't see why anyone is worthy of being worshiped, even if they created me, and especially if they are not omnipotent and double/triple especially if they are and yet refuse to give me direction on what to do and then expect to punish me if I don't do whatever it is that they want me to do. Talk about a complete asshole.

Anyway, Mormonism and scientology and other modern day cults are demonstratively false. The fact that they not only exist, but seemingly flourish is a damning indictment of human nature. As a species, we are evidently farking terrible at critical thinking. Sure, there may be the random exception to the rule here and there, but it definitely appears that the majority of the human race is content to sit there, be told what to do, what to think about and to soil their pants on demand.

It's farking embarrassing.
 
2014-02-21 05:17:37 AM  

TreeHugger: Can we talk about how this guy's wife is possibly being tortured in solitary confinement right now, for all we know? In a compound surrounded by razor wire fences and assumably armed guards? They are so insular and secretive I don't think even the federal gov would try to gain access to see what they're up to.

Also, as mentioned upthread, they don't tell people anything about aliens. Not unless you advance to the highest levels, after years of loyally paying tens of thousands. When newbies walk in they talk self-help about reducing stress, dealing with emotion etc. The gullible are taken in sometimes. But I've read elsewhere that they have a much smaller following than people realize.

Oh, also Sea Org. They buy ships, dress up and play navy. But not as a joke, it's in all seriousness a part of their practices. Because Hubbard was in the navy. (Kicked out for being loony, I think it was)

It's also possible 'they' are reading this thread, frikkin weirdos. They've been known to keep track of people who have criticized their group, and in some cases harrass them in old-fashioned ways (IRL). Or plant commenters in the thread.


well
but it's "freedom" of religion

this is no different than the routine brainwashing of children
INDOCTRINATION is ABUSE !!

/obey the rules, or you will burn in hell for eternity
/baptise your spawn, or they will spent eternity in LIMBO
 
2014-02-21 05:18:20 AM  

wildcardjack: Frederick: I've always wanted to ask a scientologist, why -why did you decide to be a scientologist?

I give you one of their "you must be a pedophile" routine but I don't have it in me. Just check some of the YouTube vids of people trying to ask questions. They're not pleasant once they get entrenched. In a strange bit of projection, they become what they'd call repressive personalities.



"Politician A stands up on his hind legs in Parliament and brays for a condemnation of Scientology. When we look him over we find crimes -- embezzled funds, moral lapses, a thirst for young boys -- sordid stuff.

"Wife B howls at her husband for attending a Scientology group. We look her up and find she had a baby he didn't know about."

 - L. R. Hubbard
 
2014-02-21 05:19:23 AM  

TwistedFark: but I especially know that Mormonism and Scientology are false.


religions

day one: DANGEROUS CULT!
year 100: meh, break away sect
year 500: established religion

it is all about time
 
2014-02-21 05:20:40 AM  

Shadi: [img.fark.net image 669x358]


I hope he meant the plant itself because it would be like your junk screaming after castration for the fruit itself to do that.
 
2014-02-21 05:22:48 AM  
AverageAmericanGuy:

In the beginning, you're lured in by the very bootstrappy mindset of tackling your own problems and taking control of your life. At this point, there's a lot of support for you from other members, so you begin to develop an attachment to them and grow uncomfortable with outsiders who begin to be seen as people who will weigh you down. My guess is that most people stay at this level for the entirety of their religious life with them.

After a while, you've learned techniques that allow you to control your emotions and this empowers you to act in very aggressive ways without getting caught up in your own sense of humility or empathy. People are there to be used, and you are there to use them. It preys on the tendency of people to go along and get along. The truly sociopathic make it to this level and stay there becoming more sociopathic.

Along the way, you've unwittingly (or wittingly) been divulging your secrets to the church, and any attempt to break away is thwarted by the threat of blackmail or worse.

So it's not a religion that asks you to accept it all at once. You're gradually eased in. The teachings are both allegorical and prescriptive. You learn how to take control of your own life and emotions, and the sense of belonging and support keeps most people involved, much like a regular religion.


I spent nearly 20 years as a non-Scientologist (wog) working at a middle-management level in a company run by Scientologists. (Using policies written by Hubbard.) I know more about Scientology than a lot of Scientologists. I've worked with Hubbard's daughter. My sister is in the Sea Org. So I'm pretty familiar with Scientology. And I'd say you just wrote one of the best descriptions of it I've ever seen.

At the initial level, Scientology is simply a clue for people who don't have one. Lots of it is simple common sense, and if you don't have a lot of common sense it seems very revelatory. A lot of rank and file members stay at that level. But as you get more and more training and move through the various levels, you can get more and more sucked in. And as that happens, your personality changes and you begin to feel that only you and your Scientologists friends REALLY have things figured out, and everyone else is to be used as necessary for the betterment of the organization. The brainwashing/hypnosis and psychological techniques, combined with "Hard Sell" sales techniques used by the Registrars, makes it difficult to get out once you get in very deep at all. It's insidious.

Regarding the "it's too strange to be a real religion" argument, it seems to me that volcano people being stuck to a magnetic ribbon in space is no stranger than someone eating a cracker, drinking some wine, and declaring they are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of their savior. They're both wack IMO, but if it makes someone feel better about themselves, then why should I care?
 
2014-02-21 05:32:30 AM  

bloobeary: ransack.: It's no more ridiculous than a lot of other religions.

That phrase seems to be dragged out every time someone mentions Scientology. I think it's about time that it was put to rest.

Most religions come from a mixture of folk tales and basic survival rules passed down generation to generation over hundreds of years, and mangled a bit during the journey. They're pretty much what you'd expect any ancient mythology to be after such a long passage of time, warts and all. There is likely to be some nugget of truth at their core, even if the content has been "made better" so many times, that it's about as historically accurate as the tales of Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan and John Henry.

Scientology is bullsh*t through and through. Hubbard created it as a bar bet, wrote it down exactly as it is, and it therefore has no excuse.


Thank you.  The "it's the same as the others" bs is the like minded parroting kind of stuff people should try to avoid doing.  It's the sort of disarming thing anyone uses to get over the first hurdle of ridiculous things you've heard somewhere about them.  I'm sure the Scientologists have some clever jokes at the beginning dealing with the "myths".
 
2014-02-21 05:42:22 AM  

ransack.: 2chris2: David Miscavich, the head of scientology's wife isn't missing

I had to read that about 10 times before I finally figured out what subby was trying to say.

Scientology head David Miscavige's wife isn't missing.

No David Miscavige is his wife's missing head


David Misgivage misses head from his wife? Is this news?
 
2014-02-21 05:42:28 AM  

Khazar-Khum: AverageAmericanGuy:

So it's not a religion that asks you to accept it all at once. You're gradually eased in. The teachings are both allegorical and prescriptive. You learn how to take control of your own life and emotions, and the sense of belonging and support keeps most people involved, much like a regular religion.

Except that, unlike every other religion, you have to pay through the teeth for the enlightenment. If you go to  a Rabbi and ask him about Judaism, he'll gladly talk to you for free. Same with every priest, pastor, imam, priestess or whatever you want. Many will happily give you information, maybe even a copy of their holy books--which, incidentally, can also be found in any library, or openly for sale. In Scientology, you have to pay for the books, which cannot be found anywhere else and are not sold to outsiders.  If you feel awful and need to talk, Pastor is there for you. In Scientology, you have to pay. And pay, and pay, and pay. It's not at all unusual to hear of people who sank several hundred thousand dollars into it.


My religion history is crap but when the church ran things alongside the aristocracy, didn't they pretty much shake everyone down especially with the whole "buy your relatives out of purgatory" carny act?  Actually in more recent times wasn't that implied that certain donation amounts would free your dead relatives from purgatory?
 
2014-02-21 05:49:41 AM  
skepticalteacher.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-21 05:49:43 AM  

Shadi: [img.fark.net image 669x358]


I thought that might be a modern, fake caption, but googling the topic, he really did claim tomatoes screamed. (Though there was a good fake caption about his "auditing" the tomato.) I didn't find any consequences of his theory, like scientologists aren't forbidden from eating tomatoes or anything. One article says he experimented with new varieties of tomatoes and sweet corn, using seeds exposed to radioactivity. While he does claim he developed giant, everbearing mutant plants, it all sounds mundanely plausible compared to more famous claims.
 
2014-02-21 05:49:54 AM  

Old enough to know better: Frederick: I've always wanted to ask a scientologist, why -why did you decide to be a scientologist?

This. Especially Hollywood actors. I mean really, Aliens? Is your skepticism threshold really that low?

I have a hard enough time buying the stuff in the Bible.


Among the people prone to have crippling insecurities, it's the rich, especially the rich and, if not vain, people that require appearances be kept up for their career.

AverageAmericanGuy: and grow uncomfortable with outsiders who begin to be seen as people who will weigh you down.


And that's already a part of celebrity life, photogs and the press, people in general really, already treat them as if they're some other life form.

And of course, for Scientology, this makes them the ripest fruit to try and recruit.  You don't see door to door recruiters for scientology, and certainly not in poor neighborhoods.

They are doing what other religions have not.  They target (the few)people with money and issues, instead of the poor masses.

They're not in it for the "power" like typical religions, or at least, a different kind of power.  Maybe it's just the route that's changed, I mean, if you can convince the best, you don't need them all.

Either way, it's deplorable.
 
2014-02-21 05:56:06 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: rappy mindset of tackling your own problems and taking control of your life. At this point, there's a lot of support for you from other members, so you begin to develop an attachment to them and grow uncomfortable with outsiders who begin to be seen as people who will weigh you down. My guess is that most people stay at this level for the entirety of their religious life with them.

After a while, you've learned techniques that allow you to control your emotions and this empowers you to act in very aggressive ways without getting caught up in your own sense of humility or empathy. People are there to be used, and you are there to use them. It preys on the tendency of people to go along and get along. The truly sociopathic make it to this level and stay there becoming more sociopathic.

Along the way, you've unwittingly (or wittingly) been divulging your secrets to the church, and any attempt to break away is thwarted by the threat of blackmail or worse.

So it's not a religion that asks you to accept it all at once. You're gradually eased in. The teachings are both allegorical and prescriptive. You learn how to take control of your own life and emotions, and the sense of belonging and support keeps most people involved, much like a regular religion.


Sounds like becoming a Republican to me.
 
2014-02-21 05:59:03 AM  

Khazar-Khum: AverageAmericanGuy:

So it's not a religion that asks you to accept it all at once. You're gradually eased in. The teachings are both allegorical and prescriptive. You learn how to take control of your own life and emotions, and the sense of belonging and support keeps most people involved, much like a regular religion.

Except that, unlike every other religion, you have to pay through the teeth for the enlightenment. If you go to  a Rabbi and ask him about Judaism, he'll gladly talk to you for free. Same with every priest, pastor, imam, priestess or whatever you want. Many will happily give you information, maybe even a copy of their holy books--which, incidentally, can also be found in any library, or openly for sale. In Scientology, you have to pay for the books, which cannot be found anywhere else and are not sold to outsiders.  If you feel awful and need to talk, Pastor is there for you. In Scientology, you have to pay. And pay, and pay, and pay. It's not at all unusual to hear of people who sank several hundred thousand dollars into it.


Except for buying indulgences, bible salesmen, tithing, etc.

Now you say, "But that's different because reasons and such!!" and yes, it is different.  In spite of those differences however, the echoes are there and the similarities are undeniable.  Scientology is an insular cult, but history suggests MOST major-player religions started as insular cults.  Hell, the bible is pretty clear that Jesus' followers gave him nearly ALL their property (acts 4).  In one instance a man and his wife were killed by "by god" (so...the cult leadership) for selling some land and keeping some of the money from them(acts 5).

And remember this is the cleaned-up and whitewashed story after shifts in power and money.   Religions that "make it" and stop being tiny cults tend to stop those kinds of behaviors because they don't NEED those behaviors anymore.  More members leads to greater self-policing, greater amounts of money (10% of a million compared to 50% of ten thousand), and a need for doctrinal flexibility.

Scientology is an interesting sociological event.  The problem with studying most religions is that TRUE history of a given faith was burned, purged, and buried deep by later adherents who didn't want some of the more awful truths out and undermining the church.  The story of a cult leader who murdered disobedient followers, fought brutal and bloody battles, or kept a private pleasure den filled with a harem of sexy lovers and wallowed in self-indulgence doesn't sell like the selfless prophet who even treated his worst enemies with kindness and forgiveness.  I mean both Joseph Smith and Mohammed have a story where the children they molested and married were magically extra-mature and "old souls" so it was okay that dirty old freaks were farking kids under the age of 13.

Scientology does this within its domain, it lies and lies and lies about all the nasty little truths of L. Ron Hubbard, the things he did and said, and the things the church has done (operation snow white) and the nature of its enemies (i.e. anyone telling an unwanted truth about their faith is a "suppressive person" or part of the Marcabian death fleet) but unlike the more-established faiths of the world scientology is way further down the scale of successful obfuscations.  If I call Mohammed a child-molester I can get labeled an anti-muslim bigot, if point out when L. Ron Hubbard was psych patient it is just reality.

The sliding scale of truth (when religion is involved) and historical revisionism rampant in any religion has not has the kind of time it had in other major faiths.  More interestingly it may never have as rich an environment.  With more and more media and education in the world is is harder than ever to truly bury the truth.  Sure we have Fox News proving lies are easier than ever to spread, but we also have the entire internet to store and share the truth, where in olden times burning a book could feasibly destroy its knowledge forever.
 
2014-02-21 06:02:49 AM  

bloobeary: ransack.: It's no more ridiculous than a lot of other religions.

That phrase seems to be dragged out every time someone mentions Scientology. I think it's about time that it was put to rest.

Most religions come from a mixture of folk tales and basic survival rules passed down generation to generation over hundreds of years, and mangled a bit during the journey. They're pretty much what you'd expect any ancient mythology to be after such a long passage of time, warts and all. There is likely to be some nugget of truth at their core, even if the content has been "made better" so many times, that it's about as historically accurate as the tales of Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan and John Henry.

Scientology is bullsh*t through and through. Hubbard created it as a bar bet, wrote it down exactly as it is, and it therefore has no excuse.



It sounds like your criteria is the number of people providing the source material and how long before modern record-keeping they lived rather than the fact one supposes invisible space ghosts and the other supposes invisible sky wizards.
 
2014-02-21 06:09:03 AM  

TiMthisIS: bloobeary: ransack.: It's no more ridiculous than a lot of other religions.

That phrase seems to be dragged out every time someone mentions Scientology. I think it's about time that it was put to rest.

Most religions come from a mixture of folk tales and basic survival rules passed down generation to generation over hundreds of years, and mangled a bit during the journey. They're pretty much what you'd expect any ancient mythology to be after such a long passage of time, warts and all. There is likely to be some nugget of truth at their core, even if the content has been "made better" so many times, that it's about as historically accurate as the tales of Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan and John Henry.

Scientology is bullsh*t through and through. Hubbard created it as a bar bet, wrote it down exactly as it is, and it therefore has no excuse.

Thank you.  The "it's the same as the others" bs is the like minded parroting kind of stuff people should try to avoid doing.  It's the sort of disarming thing anyone uses to get over the first hurdle of ridiculous things you've heard somewhere about them.  I'm sure the Scientologists have some clever jokes at the beginning dealing with the "myths".


Bullsh*t is bullsh*t. And all religion is bullsh*t.

Scientology though.. That's a cult.
 
2014-02-21 06:13:22 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Bullsh*t is bullsh*t. And all religion is bullsh*t.

Scientology though.. That's a cult.



All religions start as cults so its not especially meaningful to label them as one or the other.
 
2014-02-21 06:21:09 AM  
Sounds like someone needs...POWER OF ATTORNEY!

i218.photobucket.com

He'll take the case!
 
2014-02-21 06:24:52 AM  

generallyso: It sounds like your criteria is the number of people providing the source material and how long before modern record-keeping they lived rather than the fact one supposes invisible space ghosts and the other supposes invisible sky wizards.


It's more that we know who wrote it, and we know he was nutjob, a poly-drug user (and possibly addict), and a criminal. We can see how (even more obviously than other religions) the priesthood are abusing people (and their wallets), suckering them in, deliberately separating them from their families, using them for forced labour, putting them in prison cells etc etc.

Did other religions do this in the past? Sure. Do we let them pull this shiat now? Hell no.
 
2014-02-21 06:29:47 AM  

ransack.: IlGreven: Cosmic_Music: if only there were some sort of bureau that could federally investigate this

/who ya gonna call

Yes, I'm sure after the IRS was called out for investigating groups whose primary purpose was to avoid paying taxes, they'll try and challenge the tax-exempt status of a religious organization.  I'm sure no one will have a problem with that.

Look man, I voted for Obama twice, but the people behind that IRS scheme looking into the republican PACs or whatever, they admitted that what they did was wrong and unfair. There's nobody at all out there defending that. Those guys are gone now. So whose face are you trying to rub it in?


Actually, they did their jobs and despite reports - it wasn't Republicans that were targeted. Both sides were targeted with more scrutiny for Democrats (you should read the Nate Silver piece).
 
2014-02-21 06:32:49 AM  
WTF??  This poor woman could be dead for all we know.  Considering how thoroughly he separated her from anyone who cares about her, how would we ever know?  How would anyone ever get probable cause to search this secret compound for her?  These farking sociopathic criminals can seemingly get away with virtually anything by hiding behind their "religion".
 
2014-02-21 06:39:52 AM  

Gothnet: Did other religions do this in the past? Sure. Do we let them pull this shiat now? Hell no.


Sure we do, that's how 'faith healer' conmen and churches that shelter pedophiles continue to exist.
 
2014-02-21 06:47:51 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: How is it the organization that broke into IRS offices gets to be tax exempt, again?


Lots and lots of blackmail.
 
2014-02-21 06:57:56 AM  
It's really too bad the of all the SF writers in the world that L Ron Hubbard was the one who formed a religion.  Why couldn't it have been Heinlein?

Where Michael Valentine Smith when you need him?
 
2014-02-21 07:04:03 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Khazar-Khum: AverageAmericanGuy:

So it's not a religion that asks you to accept it all at once. You're gradually eased in. The teachings are both allegorical and prescriptive. You learn how to take control of your own life and emotions, and the sense of belonging and support keeps most people involved, much like a regular religion.

Except that, unlike every other religion, you have to pay through the teeth for the enlightenment. If you go to  a Rabbi and ask him about Judaism, he'll gladly talk to you for free. Same with every priest, pastor, imam, priestess or whatever you want. Many will happily give you information, maybe even a copy of their holy books--which, incidentally, can also be found in any library, or openly for sale. In Scientology, you have to pay for the books, which cannot be found anywhere else and are not sold to outsiders.  If you feel awful and need to talk, Pastor is there for you. In Scientology, you have to pay. And pay, and pay, and pay. It's not at all unusual to hear of people who sank several hundred thousand dollars into it.

And a professor of English may love to chat with you about Shakespeare on Sunday afternoons at the park, but if you really want to learn at a deep level you're going to have to pay up.

You ever see how much college costs these days?


Then perhaps it would be compared to college than a religion.

Religions don't intentionally withhold information about their beliefs from those seeking it out. This is exactly what Scientology does.

Also, I've never once heard of any other church keeping you under surveillance if you leave.
 
2014-02-21 07:09:22 AM  

Egoy3k: It's really too bad the of all the SF writers in the world that L Ron Hubbard was the one who formed a religion.  Why couldn't it have been Heinlein?

Where Michael Valentine Smith when you need him?


Ugh.  I would prefer Troopers, or Mike from the moon, even some of his crazier youth stories.

/disliked Stranger a lot.
//good book, but warped, very warped universe... too much "magic" for science fiction
///of course, that's what it would take for people to get along that well, magic and getting laid all of the time
 
2014-02-21 07:15:56 AM  

x23: how short is Miscavige if he is being dwarfed by the 5'7" Tom Cruise? what is he? like 4'11" or something?


I have a theory Scientology is nothing more than the natural result of little man syndrome reaching its extreme
 
2014-02-21 07:26:17 AM  

TwistedFark: I make no bones about it, I know that all religions are false, but I especially know that Mormonism and Scientology are false.


Well yeah, but only because they're new enough that we have enough concrete details about their founders to say for sure that they were con artists. Give it a couple of millennia and they'll seem much more respectable.

/and by con artists I mean charlatans.
//and by charlatans I mean swindlers.
///and by swindlers I mean mountebanks.
 
2014-02-21 07:26:30 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-21 07:26:35 AM  
You don't have to be mentally unstable to join a cult, but it sure helps.
 
2014-02-21 07:27:32 AM  

ransack.: 2chris2: David Miscavich, the head of scientology's wife isn't missing

I had to read that about 10 times before I finally figured out what subby was trying to say.

Scientology head David Miscavige's wife isn't missing.

No David Miscavige is his wife's missing head


David Miscavige is missing head from his wife.
 
2014-02-21 07:28:54 AM  
People are morons. They join stupid delusional religions all the time.

Remember heaven's gate?
 
2014-02-21 07:32:11 AM  

jaybeezey: Then perhaps it would be compared to college than a religion.

Religions don't intentionally withhold information about their beliefs from those seeking it out. This is exactly what Scientology does.


That is what puts it firmly in cult territory for me.

AverageAmericanGuy: After a while, you've learned techniques that allow you to control your emotions and this empowers you to act in very aggressive ways without getting caught up in your own sense of humility or empathy


Yeah, don't buy it.
 
2014-02-21 07:32:25 AM  

mhd: Gyrfalcon: They're just living, breathing examples for the legalization of unrestricted drone strikes.

Can we make the drones look like B-52s?


They tried, but all the tin roofs rusted.
 
2014-02-21 07:33:38 AM  
This is what I think about every time I read about Scientology:

www.useragentman.com
 
2014-02-21 07:41:51 AM  

Clint_Torres: People are stupid.


Marcus Aurelius: You don't have to be mentally unstable to join a cult, but it sure helps.


You'd think so, but studies have been done on people who join cults. Generally they're slightly smarter than average and no more prone to mental instability. The unifying factor is that they're approached by the cult when they're vulnerable - maybe they've just moved to a new city and they don't have any friends, maybe they've quit their job to be a housewife and are bored silly as a result, maybe a parent or spouse has just died and they're having trouble dealing with the grief.  Their "mental immune system" is suppressed the same way your actual immune system can be suppressed by stress.
 
2014-02-21 07:47:38 AM  

x23: how short is Miscavige if he is being dwarfed by the 5'7" Tom Cruise? what is he? like 4'11" or something?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x464]


Tom's obviously standing on the box he carries around with him. He even looks taller than Katie.
 
2014-02-21 07:57:36 AM  

Egoy3k: It's really too bad the of all the SF writers in the world that L Ron Hubbard was the one who formed a religion.  Why couldn't it have been Heinlein?

Where Michael Valentine Smith when you need him?


So you're interested in  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_All_Worlds ?
 
2014-02-21 08:00:47 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Frederick: I've always wanted to ask a scientologist, why -why did you decide to be a scientologist?

I think it's pretty easy to explain.

In the beginning, you're lured in by the very bootstrappy mindset of tackling your own problems and taking control of your life. At this point, there's a lot of support for you from other members, so you begin to develop an attachment to them and grow uncomfortable with outsiders who begin to be seen as people who will weigh you down. My guess is that most people stay at this level for the entirety of their religious life with them.

After a while, you've learned techniques that allow you to control your emotions and this empowers you to act in very aggressive ways without getting caught up in your own sense of humility or empathy. People are there to be used, and you are there to use them. It preys on the tendency of people to go along and get along. The truly sociopathic make it to this level and stay there becoming more sociopathic.

Along the way, you've unwittingly (or wittingly) been divulging your secrets to the church, and any attempt to break away is thwarted by the threat of blackmail or worse.

So it's not a religion that asks you to accept it all at once. You're gradually eased in. The teachings are both allegorical and prescriptive. You learn how to take control of your own life and emotions, and the sense of belonging and support keeps most people involved, much like a regular religion.


it's basically a scam driven on the placebo effect, everything else is fluff
 
2014-02-21 08:02:41 AM  
No, she's dead.
 
2014-02-21 08:12:13 AM  

The Lizard People: x23: how short is Miscavige if he is being dwarfed by the 5'7" Tom Cruise? what is he? like 4'11" or something?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x464]

Is Cruise really 5'7? Does he wear platform heels in all his movies? How does he get to all his movie sets from way out in the Shire?


All of the publicity says 5'7" but having physically walked by him I think that he is a couple of inches shy of that. Granted I didn't have a tape measure at the time.

All that aside, scientologists are nutters.
 
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