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(Daily Mail)   The wife of Scientologist leader David Miscavige isn't missing. She's being held by force at a secret Scientology compound without contact with the outside world after questioning her husband's infallibility. See, very different   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 202
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2014-02-21 08:12:13 AM

The Lizard People: x23: how short is Miscavige if he is being dwarfed by the 5'7" Tom Cruise? what is he? like 4'11" or something?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x464]

Is Cruise really 5'7? Does he wear platform heels in all his movies? How does he get to all his movie sets from way out in the Shire?


All of the publicity says 5'7" but having physically walked by him I think that he is a couple of inches shy of that. Granted I didn't have a tape measure at the time.

All that aside, scientologists are nutters.
 
mhd
2014-02-21 08:25:14 AM

omeganuepsilon: //good book, but warped, very warped universe... too much "magic" for science fiction


That's a general problem with Heinlein. Although most of the time it's a different kind of magical thinking.
 
2014-02-21 08:28:59 AM

2chris2: David Miscavich, the head of scientology's wife isn't missing

I had to read that about 10 times before I finally figured out what subby was trying to say.

Scientology head David Miscavige's wife isn't missing.


Really? The punctuation is bad, but it wasn't that hard to figure out. If my reading comprehension was that poor I surely wouldn't make fun of another's grammar skills.

/don't call me Shirley
 
2014-02-21 08:29:47 AM

Shadi: [img.fark.net image 669x358]


Yet Scientologists can eat tomatoes.

/maybe they can't, I don't really care
 
2014-02-21 08:30:56 AM

Gunther: The unifying factor is that they're approached by the cult when they're vulnerable


Another word for unstable, either mentally, or spiritually, i.e. mentally.
 
2014-02-21 08:31:00 AM

omeganuepsilon: Egoy3k: It's really too bad the of all the SF writers in the world that L Ron Hubbard was the one who formed a religion.  Why couldn't it have been Heinlein?

Where Michael Valentine Smith when you need him?

Ugh.  I would prefer Troopers, or Mike from the moon, even some of his crazier youth stories.

/disliked Stranger a lot.
//good book, but warped, very warped universe... too much "magic" for science fiction
///of course, that's what it would take for people to get along that well, magic and getting laid all of the time


It wasn't may favorite book but I liked the religion, mostly because everyone who followed it became physically attractive, and had lots of sex.

Mike was a great character in a simply wonderful book but he wasn't a religious leader. Of course he probably could have been one had he wanted to or had Manny instructed/asked him to become one.
 
2014-02-21 08:35:36 AM
When can we get Scientology classified as "not a religion" and thereby no longer subject to First Amendment protection?
 
2014-02-21 08:49:05 AM

theropod: When can we get Scientology classified as "not a religion" and thereby no longer subject to First Amendment protection?


Have you forgotten that corporations are people too?
 
2014-02-21 08:50:52 AM

Egoy3k: Of course he probably could have been one had he wanted to or had Manny instructed/asked him to become one.


Do you mean Jubal?  I can't remember a Manny.(and I recently re-read it).

I do recall having thought it was Manny(from Moon/Mistress) years ago(part of what prompted me to re-read it), even made a post on fark about crossing characters between the two books....

(Manny did make it into another story of H's)

I'm half wondering if there aren't other versions of the book, and that was what I read year and years ago.(since you also remember the name)

/or I'm missing something obvious
//having issues with google, have DL's taking up all bandwidth at the moment
 
2014-02-21 08:57:20 AM

omeganuepsilon: Egoy3k: Of course he probably could have been one had he wanted to or had Manny instructed/asked him to become one.

Do you mean Jubal?  I can't remember a Manny.(and I recently re-read it).

I do recall having thought it was Manny(from Moon/Mistress) years ago(part of what prompted me to re-read it), even made a post on fark about crossing characters between the two books....

(Manny did make it into another story of H's)

I'm half wondering if there aren't other versions of the book, and that was what I read year and years ago.(since you also remember the name)

/or I'm missing something obvious
//having issues with google, have DL's taking up all bandwidth at the moment


Sorry I was talking about Mycroft (Mike) and Manuel(Manny) from The moon is a Harsh Mistress in the last line.
 
2014-02-21 08:57:42 AM

TwistedFark: TheJoe03: Old enough to know better: Frederick: I've always wanted to ask a scientologist, why -why did you decide to be a scientologist?

This. Especially Hollywood actors. I mean really, Aliens? Is your skepticism threshold really that low?

I have a hard enough time buying the stuff in the Bible.

A religion with aliens would actually make more sense than the Bible. The real problem with Scientology is that it's way too new so it doesn't have the mythical mystique of the ancient religions have. It's the same issue Mormons have and more people think those two religion are cults than the traditional religions.

Yet still, we had one running for president through a major party just a couple years ago.

I make no bones about it, I know that all religions are false, but I especially know that Mormonism and Scientology are false. I'd like to make a distinction here - I do not know if there is some super powerful creator, or if humans are actually living in a complicated computer simulation ala the matrix, or whatever, but I do know that religion is false. Omnipotence is false so long as we have free will. You can't have both at the same time. I don't see why anyone is worthy of being worshiped, even if they created me, and especially if they are not omnipotent and double/triple especially if they are and yet refuse to give me direction on what to do and then expect to punish me if I don't do whatever it is that they want me to do. Talk about a complete asshole.

Anyway, Mormonism and scientology and other modern day cults are demonstratively false. The fact that they not only exist, but seemingly flourish is a damning indictment of human nature. As a species, we are evidently farking terrible at critical thinking. Sure, there may be the random exception to the rule here and there, but it definitely appears that the majority of the human race is content to sit there, be told what to do, what to think about and to soil their pants on demand.

It's farking embarrassing.


Is the assumption here that you have free will?
 
2014-02-21 08:59:07 AM
I've always wanted to ask a scientologist, why -why did you decide to be a scientologist?

I think it's pretty easy to explain.

In the beginning, you're lured in by the very bootstrappy mindset of tackling your own problems and taking control of your life. At this point, there's a lot of support for you from other members, so you begin to develop an attachment to them and grow uncomfortable with outsiders who begin to be seen as people who blah blah...


Anyone who uses this word in this manner is automatically an imbecile.
 
2014-02-21 09:00:38 AM
Every time I see this guy:

i1168.photobucket.com

I can't help but think of this:

i1168.photobucket.com

Steel isn't strong, boy, flesh is stronger! Look around you.
There, on the rocks; a beautiful girl. Come to me, my child...come to me...
That is strength, boy! That is power!
 
2014-02-21 09:04:51 AM

mhd: omeganuepsilon: //good book, but warped, very warped universe... too much "magic" for science fiction

That's a general problem with Heinlein. Although most of the time it's a different kind of magical thinking.


Meh.  I can understand aliens being able to teleport as unexplained science.

The morphing of regular humans(ie practically modern) into creatures able to control things(age, telepathy, etc) will willpower alone was a bit too much.

All fine and well for Middle Earth, but not so much for "realistic" earth.  Even ok for alternate earths or far future earth(IE Shadowrun)

For Stranger, it was patterned too much as "real" earth visited by aliens, even mentions gods and angels.  Not much of a science fiction book at all.

Unless by "magical thinking" you mean earth couldn't ever take the route of Troopers / Mistress(ie the social movements, even those in Stranger minus the actual magic).  Then nevermind, you're not worth it.  They're meant to be abstracts, "what if's", not general prophecies or predictions, but explorations.
 
2014-02-21 09:11:04 AM
www.xenutv.com
Miscagige's niece finally got around to writing her book.  It should be required reading for scientology threads, and her site http://exscientologykids.com/  makes for good reading on the subject as well.

Those guys are running a private prison and they need to be forced to stop it.
 
2014-02-21 09:11:09 AM

Old enough to know better: Frederick: I've always wanted to ask a scientologist, why -why did you decide to be a scientologist?

This. Especially Hollywood actors. I mean really, Aliens? Is your skepticism threshold really that low?

I have a hard enough time buying the stuff in the Bible.


Objectively, the stories in Scientology aren't any more ridiculous than those told in mainstream religions, its just that Scientology is much younger.  Anyone with a scientific background can see the scam behind pretending an ohm-meter gives insight into a person's emotional state; that's easy.  The basic premises behind Christianity and Islam are just as dodgy, though, just covered with the respectability of thousands of years.
 
2014-02-21 09:16:04 AM

Gunther: Clint_Torres: People are stupid.

Marcus Aurelius: You don't have to be mentally unstable to join a cult, but it sure helps.

You'd think so, but studies have been done on people who join cults. Generally they're slightly smarter than average and no more prone to mental instability. The unifying factor is that they're approached by the cult when they're vulnerable - maybe they've just moved to a new city and they don't have any friends, maybe they've quit their job to be a housewife and are bored silly as a result, maybe a parent or spouse has just died and they're having trouble dealing with the grief.  Their "mental immune system" is suppressed the same way your actual immune system can be suppressed by stress.


YEah, that's actually the really goddamn scary thing about brainwashing: There's a lot of evidence that suggests that *intelligence is not a defense against brainwashing*.
 
2014-02-21 09:21:17 AM

Shadi: [img.fark.net image 669x358]


So that's why I enjoy their tender flesh so much.
 
2014-02-21 09:22:00 AM

Shadi: [img.fark.net image 669x358]


Well, yeah tomatoes scream... in pleasure.

"Cut me, you big strong human! You plucked me from the branch, what are you going to do with me now?  Oohh, tell me!  Slice me and lay me out on some lettuce!  Dice me and serve me in your pasta! Yeah, you  own me don't you?  Make it hurt! Stab with with your steel prongs.... EAT ME!"

They're really some twisted little farks in the end.
 
2014-02-21 09:23:25 AM

Egoy3k: Sorry I was talking about Mycroft (Mike) and Manuel(Manny) from The moon is a Harsh Mistress in the last line.


How would Mycroft be a religious leader?

Anyways, I realize my mistake now, I confused the two Mikes' mentors. You switched so seamlessly from the discussion of Stranger to Mistress, did you do it too?
 
2014-02-21 09:23:31 AM

Seraphym: Shadi: [img.fark.net image 669x358]

Well, yeah tomatoes scream... in pleasure.

"Cut me, you big strong human! You plucked me from the branch, what are you going to do with me now?  Oohh, tell me!  Slice me and lay me out on some lettuce!  Dice me and serve me in your pasta! Yeah, you  own me don't you?  Make it hurt! Stab with with your steel prongs.... EAT ME!"

They're really some twisted little farks in the end.


Fap.
 
2014-02-21 09:30:23 AM

omeganuepsilon: Egoy3k: Sorry I was talking about Mycroft (Mike) and Manuel(Manny) from The moon is a Harsh Mistress in the last line.

How would Mycroft be a religious leader?

Anyways, I realize my mistake now, I confused the two Mikes' mentors. You switched so seamlessly from the discussion of Stranger to Mistress, did you do it too?


I assumed that when you said you would prefer Mike from the moon you meant Mycroft.
 
2014-02-21 09:33:08 AM

Felgraf: YEah, that's actually the really goddamn scary thing about brainwashing: There's a lot of evidence that suggests that *intelligence is not a defense against brainwashing*.


Depends on what you deem intelligence to be.

More pointedly:
A lot of "smart" people can fall into believing anything, because they desire for it to be true, the subconscious makes it happen.  Rational intelligence is irrelevant.  The apt involved trait would be self awareness, or rather the part of it that deals with the capacity for introspection.

You may have to be smart to be self aware in that regard, but being smart does not necessarily include self awareness.
 
2014-02-21 09:36:47 AM

Egoy3k: omeganuepsilon: Egoy3k: Sorry I was talking about Mycroft (Mike) and Manuel(Manny) from The moon is a Harsh Mistress in the last line.

How would Mycroft be a religious leader?

Anyways, I realize my mistake now, I confused the two Mikes' mentors. You switched so seamlessly from the discussion of Stranger to Mistress, did you do it too?

I assumed that when you said you would prefer Mike from the moon you meant Mycroft.


Ah.  What I intended is I'd rather those books be reality, not religious leaders per se, in that they give hope to mankind without having a religious aspect.
 
2014-02-21 09:43:34 AM

ransack.: 2chris2: David Miscavich, the head of scientology's wife isn't missing

I had to read that about 10 times before I finally figured out what subby was trying to say.

Scientology head David Miscavige's wife isn't missing.

No David Miscavige is his wife's missing head


That made me LOL. Thank you.
 
2014-02-21 09:48:18 AM

Cosmic_Music: /who ya gonna call


I know who I better call...
cdn.thewire.com
 
2014-02-21 10:05:40 AM
On the one hand, I wouldn't put anything past the "Church" of $cientology.

On the other hand, it's the Daily Fail.
 
2014-02-21 10:12:39 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

I wonder if she is here...

/Scientology compound near me
//Supposed to be some sort of data archive bunker complete with tacky McMansion
 
2014-02-21 10:36:05 AM
www.cs.cmu.edu

Turns out the mysterious E-Meter is a plain old galvanometer, which measures electric current. It's a toy or lab equipment for science students, but it's powerful mumbo-jumbo for impressing uneducated, gullible marks.

Coincidentally I am reading Inside Scientology, released 2011, which is a detailed history of LRH, the thing he made up, and Miscavige & Friends. Recommended.

drxym: Think of it like an extremely bad, extremely expensive MMO.


That's about right, in one sentence.  Or MLM.
 
Ant
2014-02-21 10:43:56 AM

Old enough to know better: This. Especially Hollywood actors. I mean really, Aliens? Is your skepticism threshold really that low?


You're introduced to the really whacky stuff very slowly. After you've invested a lot of time and energy (and money) into something, human nature will try to stop you from abandoning what you have invested in, even if it's complete bullshiat.

I mean, there must've been something to it, otherwise you wouldn't have devoted your life to it, right?
 
Ant
2014-02-21 10:48:24 AM

Mad_Radhu: but we KNOW that L. Ron Hubbard and Joseph Smith were both con men who we shouldn't trust further than we can throw them.


I'm gonna bet that Joseph Smith is probably pretty light now. You could probably throw him pretty far.
 
2014-02-21 10:57:06 AM

Ant: Old enough to know better: This. Especially Hollywood actors. I mean really, Aliens? Is your skepticism threshold really that low?

You're introduced to the really whacky stuff very slowly. After you've invested a lot of time and energy (and money) into something, human nature will try to stop you from abandoning what you have invested in, even if it's complete bullshiat.

I mean, there must've been something to it, otherwise you wouldn't have devoted your life to it, right?


Tom Cruise famously went all WTF-dude when he reached OT-III and got told the Xenu story.  Supposedly he almost quit Scientology.
 
2014-02-21 10:57:13 AM

bloobeary: ransack.: It's no more ridiculous than a lot of other religions.

That phrase seems to be dragged out every time someone mentions Scientology. I think it's about time that it was put to rest.

Most religions come from a mixture of folk tales and basic survival rules passed down generation to generation over hundreds of years, and mangled a bit during the journey. They're pretty much what you'd expect any ancient mythology to be after such a long passage of time, warts and all. There is likely to be some nugget of truth at their core, even if the content has been "made better" so many times, that it's about as historically accurate as the tales of Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan and John Henry.

Scientology is bullsh*t through and through. Hubbard created it as a bar bet, wrote it down exactly as it is, and it therefore has no excuse.


Moreover, Dianetics was first advertised as a self-help and psychology book, but when the NJ Board of Psychiatrists wanted to shut his little practice down, he turned it into a religion so they couldn't touch him.

/Source: Playboy's Interview with his son, L. Ron Jr
//It's a must read, L.Ron was nuts
 
2014-02-21 10:59:26 AM

El Pachuco: Coincidentally I am reading Inside Scientology, released 2011, which is a detailed history of LRH, the thing he made up, and Miscavige & Friends. Recommended.


Going Clear is also really good. I found the Hubbard connection with Jack Parsons and the Babalon Working pretty interesting.
 
2014-02-21 11:03:05 AM

Grammatik Polizei: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x535]

I wonder if she is here...

/Scientology compound near me
//Supposed to be some sort of data archive bunker complete with tacky McMansion


Exeter will destroy your Interoctior for this!
 
2014-02-21 11:07:55 AM
IlGreven:
The only difference between a cult and a religion is time and money.

AND how easy it is for you to leave without being either killed in the attempt or hassled and stalked for the rest of your life if you manage to escape.

Scientology is notorious for harassing "defectors."

IMO, every single person who gets roped into this cult needs to be kidnapped and taken someplace to be deprogrammed before they get hurt...
 
2014-02-21 11:09:53 AM

fireclown: Those guys are running a private prison and they need to be forced to stop it.


As long as they call themselves a religion, they're apparently free to do anything they want.
 
2014-02-21 11:22:34 AM

lilbjorn: fireclown: Those guys are running a private prison and they need to be forced to stop it.

As long as they call themselves a religion, they're apparently free to do anything they want.


Yeah, and they've won a few lawsuits to that effect.  The principle seems to be that religions are allowed to enforce discipline among their flock. I think the law is in error in this matter, and hope that it is eventually overturned.

You just don't see Methodists holding people against their will, apart from seemingly interminable weekend retreats.

 
2014-02-21 11:28:45 AM

fyrewede: IlGreven:
The only difference between a cult and a religion is time and money.

AND how easy it is for you to leave without being either killed in the attempt or hassled and stalked for the rest of your life if you manage to escape.

Scientology is notorious for harassing "defectors."

IMO, every single person who gets roped into this cult needs to be kidnapped and taken someplace to be deprogrammed before they get hurt...


Chicken or egg.  More members = more converts/born-ins = less need to police the ones that get away.  The larger and more established a religion gets the less it has to concern itself with doing all those "cult" things.

Right now Xenu and the Volcanoes is seen widely as crazy-pants crazicality but a Zombie Jew and an invisible sky monster are totally reasonable and rational, if that were flipped it would be the Catholic Church that was telling people "you can't read the bible until you learn an obscure version of Latin and if you try to learn all the secrets of our church before you are ready you'll get Pneumonia and die."

Now you're probably asking, "SO WHAT?!?  They're evil!" and well, you're probably right.  So are the Catholics who promote the spread of AIDS in Africa (indirectly) and the Mormons trying to get gay people killed.  The cult that murders one person in cold blood and the billion-strong religion that indirectly contributes to a million-and-counting ethnic cleansing operation are hard to compare.

Likewise, suppressing ONE bad religion because it is a minority while letting another one run rampant because it's really big chafes against the idea of justice or the ever-popular "rooting for the underdog" meme.
 
2014-02-21 11:33:34 AM

The Lizard People: x23: how short is Miscavige if he is being dwarfed by the 5'7" Tom Cruise? what is he? like 4'11" or something?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x464]

Is Cruise really 5'7? Does he wear platform heels in all his movies? How does he get to all his movie sets from way out in the Shire?


There's nothing wrong with being 5'7 :'(
 
2014-02-21 11:33:35 AM

TheBigJerk: Now you're probably asking, "SO WHAT?!?  They're evil!" and well, you're probably right.  So are the Catholics who promote the spread of AIDS in Africa (indirectly) and the Mormons trying to get gay people killed.


Oh fark off with that false-equivalency bullshiat. Go hang out in Politics threads and tell people BSABSVR if you need your fix.
 
2014-02-21 11:47:01 AM
 
2014-02-21 11:49:44 AM

fireclown: lilbjorn: fireclown: Those guys are running a private prison and they need to be forced to stop it.

As long as they call themselves a religion, they're apparently free to do anything they want.

Yeah, and they've won a few lawsuits to that effect.  The principle seems to be that religions are allowed to enforce discipline among their flock. I think the law is in error in this matter, and hope that it is eventually overturned.

You just don't see Methodists holding people against their will, apart from seemingly interminable weekend retreats.


"Against their will" is dicey when cults and brainwashing comes into play.  Quite a lot of the folk who are imprisoned are their (legally speaking) of their own free will.  If you are familiar with the Milgram Experiment you know they were forced to sign the documents and make the agreements that have them locked away, but ignoring or excusing that kind of psychological manipulation is a key part of religious freedom.

Scientology lawyers know it, and take advantage of it.

'Nother fun fact: scientology lost its tax-exemption for a couple of decades.  They got it back after changing how they operated and paying a pittance percentage of what they owed the IRS.  Taking it away again seems like the best means of hurting them again with the added bonus of forcing other tax-exempt religions to stand with them (and their craziness) or step back their own illegal activities (Pulpit freedom sunday and similar activities).
 
2014-02-21 11:55:58 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Frederick: I've always wanted to ask a scientologist, why -why did you decide to be a scientologist?

Same reason anyone joins any other religion.  They're either indoctrinated in early childhood into whatever the local religion happens to be, or they're "converted" by people who pretend to be their friends -- and sometimes actually are their friends -- in a time of personal weakness or upheaval.


Then there's this:  A lot of Scientologists get off on the hypnotic feeling they get from their early auditing  sessions.  So while they're chasing that dragon, the cult has time to get them invested financially and build up the previously mentioned blackmail material.  Even people who have left Scientology still often talk wistfully of the heady days of "going exterior."  Oh, and that bullshiat phrase reminds me:  there's also a real power in people having a common made-up language to make them feel that they're part of something special and exclusive.
 
2014-02-21 12:00:53 PM
I used to work in downtown Clearwater and spent a lot of time around Scientologists. They are weirder than you think, and people think they are weird.
 
2014-02-21 12:04:25 PM
I do understand why Scientologists are a bit defensive though, even though they are whackadoodle nutjobs. I went to the first Anonymous protest in Clearwater but I didn't join the protest; I just wanted to watch. So members of Anonymous noticed me watching and immediately decided I was a Scientologist and started hurling insults at me, much to my amusement. Later I joined up with them and no one would talk to me, even though I swore I wasn't a Scientology spy. It was sort of a weird experience.
 
2014-02-21 12:18:41 PM

TheBigJerk: Right now Xenu and the Volcanoes is seen widely as crazy-pants crazicality but a Zombie Jew and an invisible sky monster are totally reasonable and rational, if that were flipped it would be the Catholic Church that was telling people "you can't read the bible until you learn an obscure version of Latin and if you try to learn all the secrets of our church before you are ready you'll get Pneumonia and die."


The problem is that at the tiem of its "fouding" the Zenu story is bonkers.

At the time of christianity's founding a Lich (zombies just eat brains) son fo god was pausible.
 
2014-02-21 12:26:56 PM
Before I knew what scientology was, I was looking for a job in Austin, TX, and came across a scientology center that was "hiring".
I went in, watched their creepy video, took all their tests and scored very highly, so they wanted me.
I stood firm in my stance that if they could pay me $11/hr. I would work for them.
Well, they areen't the paying type, more the 'extort as much money from you as possible' type, so they wouldn't agree to "hire" me.
They wanted me to be an auditor.  (and a walking wallet)
So after refusing to "work" for them for nothing, the first guy sent me up to the next guy to try to break me down.
He couldn't crack me either, so I kept getting passed up the line.  Apparently they wanted me pretty bad, I must've scored very highly.
At this point, I was not interested in what they were selling, but I was interested in how they kept trying to break me down, and I wanted to see how far they'd go.
Finally, they took me the the head poobah creep guy in this lavish office with beautiful wood and leather furniture who was explaining to me how cool it would be for me to train my mind to learn how people think, how to see people as predictable and guideable (gullible) and the last thing he said to me was "you can get so powerful you can fark with people!!"
At that point, I stood up, told him he was totally farked up in the head and walked out the building.
I felt violated, and dirty, and sick to my stomach.
scientology is one of the creepiest  zombie-makingcults I've ever seen.
The people are frighteningly fake, and empty, and transparent.
They think they are accessing some sort of higher knowledge and power, while it is they who are being played for
idiots and simply drained of their money and souls.
I feel sorry for the fools who enlist.

/csb
 
2014-02-21 12:27:25 PM

gunrunner: https://www.google.com/maps/search/clearwater+florida+scientology+hea d quarters/[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]72[* image 7x13]961969,-82.799465,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1s7376903! 2e1!3e10

the wierdest building I have ever been in...tell me this thing doesnt look like a fort!


Actually, having lived in the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area for over 2 years, it looks to me like just about every other above-average hotel near the beach.  Kinda typical of the Spanish Colonial style of architecture that is common throughout coastal Florida -- stucco exterior, terracotta roof tiles, etc.

See the Don Cesar Hotel in St. Pete for another example (in pink instead of beige).
 
2014-02-21 12:31:44 PM

T Baggins: Shadi: [img.fark.net image 669x358]

I thought that might be a modern, fake caption, but googling the topic, he really did claim tomatoes screamed. (Though there was a good fake caption about his "auditing" the tomato.) I didn't find any consequences of his theory, like scientologists aren't forbidden from eating tomatoes or anything. One article says he experimented with new varieties of tomatoes and sweet corn, using seeds exposed to radioactivity. While he does claim he developed giant, everbearing mutant plants, it all sounds mundanely plausible compared to more famous claims.


As another poster mentioned, the "E-Meter" (the device hooked up to the tomato in that photo) that Scientologists use to detect "emotional charge" is nothing more than an adjustable-sensitivity galvanometer, the same type of instrument that's the basis of EKG machines, lie-detectors, etc; it's essentially just a very sensitive ammeter.  I find it amusing that Hubbard, the self-proclaimed SMARTEST SCIENTIST EVAR!!1!, would fail to realize what was happening when he sliced into an acidic fruit (that has copper electrodes stuck in it) with a dissimilar-metal knife...kids make batteries out of potatoes the same way in 3rd-grade science classes.
 
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