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(Talking Points Memo)   Kentucky Republican claims that same-sex marriage will lead to parent-child marriage. Immediately secures coveted Woody Allen vote   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
    More: Asinine, Kentucky Republican, Mitch McConnell, child marriage, Republicans, Kentucky, opponents of same-sex marriage, parents, federal bench  
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1753 clicks; posted to Politics » on 20 Feb 2014 at 7:56 PM (2 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-02-20 08:00:50 PM  
5 votes:

nmrsnr: You know what? He might not be wrong. If two consenting adults want to get married, and we're arguing that ick factor isn't a reason to stop them, and that children are not in any way tied to marriage, what other reason do we have to stop incestuous marriages from taking place?

There are health reasons for not allowing children from those marriages, but no real reason to stop the marriage itself.


Can a child sign a legal contract?
2014-02-20 08:13:38 PM  
4 votes:

nmrsnr: You know what? He might not be wrong. If two consenting adults want to get married, and we're arguing that ick factor isn't a reason to stop them, and that children are not in any way tied to marriage, what other reason do we have to stop incestuous marriages from taking place?

There are health reasons for not allowing children from those marriages, but no real reason to stop the marriage itself.


The "health reasons" thing is a red herring.  There are too many known fatal conditions that are genetic; blocking marriages on those grounds would be incredibly invasive, and isolating just the incest portion of the population would violate equal protection.

The real reason for blocking parent-offspring marriages is that there is no real way for the state to be assured that the natural power asymmetry between the two isn't being exploited in a coercive way.  Parental relationships involve uniquely powerful and multifaceted authority and care relations.  At bottom, the state interest in blocking these marriages is the same as why a mentally incapacitated person cannot sign a binding contract.  There is no (practicably manageable) way for them to give informed consent in a way that a reasonable person could accept.
2014-02-20 08:01:38 PM  
3 votes:
Doesn't this already happen in Kentucky?
2014-02-20 09:34:18 PM  
2 votes:

cchris_39: What seems absurdly outlandish today will be mainstream tomorrow.


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2014-02-20 08:46:47 PM  
2 votes:

cchris_39: What seems absurdly outlandish today will be mainstream tomorrow.


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2014-02-20 08:26:38 PM  
2 votes:
Far right Christians scare me,  seems they need laws to keep them from doing awful things.
2014-02-21 07:45:58 PM  
1 vote:

LoneWolf343: HighOnCraic: bk3k: HighOnCraic: I'm guessing the concern is that a parent may become attracted to their child before the child reaches the age of consent and use undo influence throughout the child's life to convince the child to start a relationship after the child becomes an adult. I think that's a valid concern, but that's just my two cents.

And while I think that while this imaginary scenario "might" just work when someone is a child, it will fall apart once someone has become and adult(or probably a few years before that).  See adults have this magical ability to THINK FOR THEMSELVES that may erase the theoretical programming instilled into them as a child.

If 2 consenting non-mentally disabled adults wish to be together - no matter WHO they are - I have to assume that they both actually wish this themselves and I think we should honor that decision.  But if you can't "honor" that decision, then at least get yourself and government out of the way with force of law.  It is not really your business (not government business) to start with.

I have this amazing, new concept of governance - treat adults like adults.  That applies to such things as the war on drugs, and it applies to people's chosen relationships.  I do realize how novel, different, and scary such a concept is.  But hell why not give it a try?  It won't doom all humanity... I promise.

And this magical ability just appears when they turn 18, even after an unhealthy childhood?  Honestly, I do think it would be a valid concern when considering child/parent marriages. You're free to disagree.

Yeah, it kind of took a while for me to start thinking for myself. It takes a little while for the ears to stop ringing after you leave the echo chamber.


This.

I'm just guessing that any type of parent/child relationship strong enough to inspire them to want to get married probably didn't just pop up out of nowhere once the kid turned 18, and that the bond was formed while the power relationship between parent and child was highly imbalanced.  Again, that just my guess.
2014-02-21 06:22:26 AM  
1 vote:
The bigots are really reaching now... Lots of parent / adult children looking to get hitched in Kentucky, are there? OR anywhere for that matter?

Why can't this farking idiots get it through their thick skulls? Your backwards ass religious dogma has no business being codified into law.
2014-02-21 05:39:01 AM  
1 vote:
Tell me again how "normal" jesus approved mariage couldn't possibly lead to the same thing.
2014-02-21 12:02:07 AM  
1 vote:

sobriquet by any other name: Is that not obvious? There is no genetic implication to same sex marriage...

sobriquet by any other name: I see you sort of covered that in the last sentence, but one thing i think EVERYONE agrees on, is that marriage includes sex.


Consummation has not been a requirement in any jurisdiction for years. For example, troops overseas are allowed to marry spouses who are back home; and convicts in solitary confinement are allowed to marry their spouses.

Furthermore, by explicitly tying marriage and sex, you're falling towards the anti-same sex marriage people's trap of tying marriage and  procreation.
No, sex and procreation can occur outside of marriage, and marriage can certainly occur without procreation, or even sex. They are frequently correlated, but are separate.
2014-02-20 10:53:57 PM  
1 vote:
Didn't Republican wonderboy Ted Nugent adopt a girl so he could have sex with her? Pretty much the same thing.
2014-02-20 10:12:53 PM  
1 vote:

cchris_39: so get ready for the equal protection nonsense to come back to haunt you.


You're not helping your cause.
2014-02-20 10:04:14 PM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: nmrsnr: DamnYankees: so no one ever wants to marry their parent unless something is beyond farked up.

Says you. I personally think it's super duper cringe-worthy and creepy, but I don't pretend to speak for all of humanity that non-farked up people might exist for whom the thought of marrying their parent/offspring doesn't set off screaming alarm bells.

I figure by the time you are farked up enough to want an incestuous relationship it's basically too late.


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2014-02-20 08:49:42 PM  
1 vote:
Bush made it kosher for Republicans to support horrifying lies. The 2012 race for the nomination turned lying into an industrial process. Now, anything goes. I think among the more cynical of the campaign aides that there's an informal competition to come up with the most ludicrous tack to take. Maybe there are bets and taunts as one day's horror becomes mundane the next. They're behaving like junkies.
2014-02-20 08:41:32 PM  
1 vote:

cchris_39: DarwiOdrade: Safari Ken: nmrsnr: You know what? He might not be wrong. If two consenting adults want to get married, and we're arguing that ick factor isn't a reason to stop them, and that children are not in any way tied to marriage, what other reason do we have to stop incestuous marriages from taking place?

There are health reasons for not allowing children from those marriages, but no real reason to stop the marriage itself.

Can a child sign a legal contract?

He means "child" in the sense of "offspring" rather than "minor"

If we can change the marriage laws we can change the contracting laws too.

Pennsylvania tried an 11 year old as an adult so get ready for the equal protection nonsense to come back to haunt you.


I know it's out of fashion around these parts, but when I feel compelled to address something someone has posted I try to respond with all the seriousness and thought that the original poster put into his or her commentary. It just seems like the right thing to do, you know? So, applying that principle to what cchris_39 has written here, let me just say:

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2014-02-20 08:37:14 PM  
1 vote:

cchris_39: If we can change the marriage laws we can change the contracting laws too.


You're right, we can. All laws are mutable. We can also change the laws to allow marriage to encompass people and inanimate objects, but we won't, because there are objective, rational reasons why this would be a bad idea. The same cannot be said for same sex marriages, and it's similarly difficult to oppose familial marriages amongst consenting adults of sound mind.
2014-02-20 08:29:15 PM  
1 vote:

Summercat: TL;DR: Sometimes you're stuck in a de-facto situation, might as well make it de-jure.


Why? What benefits would marriage confer in this situation that are superior to the existing parent-child relationship?
2014-02-20 08:18:09 PM  
1 vote:
And the Teahadists win again by dropping a sulphurs fart in a crowded elevator and then running out to let the rest of us discuss it.
2014-02-20 08:14:48 PM  
1 vote:
I guess his mom must be pretty hot.
2014-02-20 08:02:37 PM  
1 vote:

Safari Ken: nmrsnr: You know what? He might not be wrong. If two consenting adults want to get married, and we're arguing that ick factor isn't a reason to stop them, and that children are not in any way tied to marriage, what other reason do we have to stop incestuous marriages from taking place?

There are health reasons for not allowing children from those marriages, but no real reason to stop the marriage itself.

Can a child sign a legal contract?


He means "child" in the sense of "offspring" rather than "minor"
2014-02-20 07:58:20 PM  
1 vote:
You know what? He might not be wrong. If two consenting adults want to get married, and we're arguing that ick factor isn't a reason to stop them, and that children are not in any way tied to marriage, what other reason do we have to stop incestuous marriages from taking place?

There are health reasons for not allowing children from those marriages, but no real reason to stop the marriage itself.
 
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