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(The New Republic)   Evangelical Patrick Henry College, forbids students to smoke, drink, swear, dance or even date without written parental permission; and of course, in keeping with biblical principles, if you are raped it's your own fault, you filthy harlot   (newrepublic.com) divider line 110
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2014-02-20 04:34:18 PM
13 votes:
Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?
2014-02-20 04:45:00 PM
12 votes:

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


well "liberal doctrine" is a bit of an oxymoron but maybe that's the point.

Many years ago the New Yorker did a piece on PHC that was deeply disturbing to me, not because of their strict ultra-orthodox evangelical beliefs (their "science" department teaches a curriculum  that  is predicated on "young earth" creationism BTW)  but because of the aggressive emphasis they have in placing their grads in political positions, AND the eagerness with which the GOP congressmen and Senators sought them out as staffers because of their "ideological purity".   I think a lot of what gets done on Capitol Hill happens at the staff level, and a lot of the polarization and intransigence we see from the GOP can be directly attributed to a lot of the PHC grads and people like them on Congressional staffs (also their attitudes probably don;t help that whole "war on women " thing)
2014-02-20 04:39:53 PM
9 votes:

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


Fundamentally, the conservative brain is stimulated by fear and disgust, and conservative leaders control their followers by ginning up fear and disgust against outsiders. Following the rules is how you identify fellow insiders. And of course this is why conservative movements are so vulnerable to purity purges (see, for instance, RINOs).

Conversely, the liberal brain is stimulated by novelty and risk. You can no more enforce rules on liberals than you can herd cats, and this is why left wing movements are so prone to fragmentation.

tl:dr: Conservatives are Sparta. Liberals are Athens.
2014-02-20 04:40:10 PM
8 votes:
I think the worst part is that by and large, these students are too sheltered to know any better regarding their rights. Their parents raise them in bubbles of religious rhetoric and hand them off to a college that they pay to do the same thing.

That being said, if I had a daughter who was assaulted and the lady who worked for the college implied that it was her own fault, I don't think they'd manage to pull me off her until I'd gouged at least one eye out.
2014-02-20 07:21:18 PM
5 votes:
I know a lot of PHC graduates, people who know every person mentioned in the piece, that place is every bit as bad as you think. And they've got most of their current students so brainwashed that they are convinced that every alumni who speaks out is just disgruntled because they were bad kids who wouldn't follow the rules and are lying about everything. Meanwhile, since prospective students are mostly homeschoolers whose parents are supporters of the Home School Legal Defense Association, which was started by Michael Farris, the same guy who started PHC, they're convinced that Farris is this hero to homeschooling who can do no wrong and anyone who criticizes must be trying to destroy homeschooling, because that's what Farris has been spending the last 30 years claiming.

There are currently current PHC students on Twitter calling for the school to sue the victims for speaking out because they're convinced that the women speaking out are lying. They've been so brainwashed they can't consider the possibility that it happened.

Oh, bonus, they aren't really accredited, not by a legit agency. Their accreditation is by TRACS, an agency started by the Institution for Creation Research to provide accreditation for schools that can't get it because they refuse to teach real science. It's next to impossible for students to leave the school without losing their credits because hardly any institution will accept them because it's a fake accreditation. They either have to stick it out or start over from scratch.

They also have a hard time getting into any graduate programs other than law school, which cares more about LSAT scores than anything. And the thing is, because they're so focused on getting kids into law school, PHC grads are at the top schools in the country (they've got several grads at Harvard, one of my sane PHC friends is at Georgetown), mostly preparing to use those degrees to remake the country in a right wing vision.
2014-02-20 04:48:10 PM
5 votes:
As reprehensible and twisted as this it it is, in essence, NO DIFFERENT from a major secular college protecting its male jocks from rape and molestations charges. At this school its ...but Jesus! at  a PAC 10 school its ... but TV money!
2014-02-20 04:45:47 PM
5 votes:
Ah, this must be the imaginary "rape culture" that everyone is always telling me doesn't exist, and is a creation of evil feminist nazi soldiers.
2014-02-20 04:39:53 PM
5 votes:

Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.


That's... umm... not a school.
2014-02-20 04:39:49 PM
5 votes:

Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.


Right, I forgot.  Teaching anything that might construed as supporting a liberal cause is the same thing as "you must be a conservative christian and obey arcane rules while attending here" cult-schools.
2014-02-20 07:11:33 PM
4 votes:
So, from what I'm reading in this thread, it sounds like:

Liberal Doctrine: Don't be an asshole to other people.

Conservative Doctrine: Be a selfish asshole.
2014-02-20 05:05:00 PM
4 votes:

CivicMindedFive: The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.


Was it unwanted sexual contact? Did she tell him to stop?

Look if a bigger guy, a stronger guy, comes up to you and rubs his dick all over you, but doesn't actually force it into your ass, will you feel violated?
2014-02-20 04:36:21 PM
4 votes:
Right up there with al queda and the taliban.

People like this need to be purged from the land.
2014-02-20 04:33:54 PM
4 votes:
Cultists gonna cult.
2014-02-20 04:32:27 PM
4 votes:
That's not significantly different from the Fark rape thread principles.
2014-02-20 08:56:40 PM
3 votes:

geek_mars: FTFA: The dean insisted that she take a psychological evaluation, then called her back to the Office of Student Life, got her parents on speakerphone, and made her tell them about the assault. When she choked up, the student says, Corbitt cut in to finish the job. Then the dean informed her parents that she was unfit for PHC and needed to be retrieved immediately. Her father flew out the following day and whisked her away, says the student.

This, to me, is the most disturbing part of this article. That a father could come and remove his daughter from that place is great; that he could do so without raising hell from one end of that administration to the other is shocking to me (the father of three daughters). Considering as how the tale of his daughter's assault was related to him over the phone, it seems like he'd have shown up with the cops (or a baseball bat) and ensured that someone took his daughter's rape seriously enough to at least perform a proper investigation.


Odds are good that the father didn't come and get her because the school was farked up and it was an environment you should get the hell out of, but because the school was basically forcing her out. And because of the victim-blaming in that world, she may very well have gotten blamed by her family for being "immodest" or for causing a man to stumble.
2014-02-20 06:30:00 PM
3 votes:
ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism;



A Soviet school that closed in the 60s. Really? That's all you have got.
2014-02-20 05:13:02 PM
3 votes:

Boojum2k: CivicMindedFive: It might be some kind of crime

What's described in the article is certainly sexual assault.


Claire's thing was probable sexual assault, but the problem is that by her own admission she let the guy do it the first time and didn't say anything.  While you or I would know that's bad and you don't do that to women without asking, keep in mind that the guy is just as broken as anybody else who goes to that school.  It's quite possible he just figured that's what you do with women, took his shot, and when she didn't say anything he figured he was in the clear, especially because by her own account she tried to pass things off as normal.  Second time rolls around, he figures it worked so well the last time why not this time, but now she freaks out and tells him to stop.  Here's the important part: he stopped.  I'm not saying it wasn't traumatizing for her, but to me it sounds like this was a crude attempt by a sexually repressed, likely embarrassed kid at having sexytimes with a real female woman, and had the misfortune to try it on someone whose reaction to rape terror was to repress and deny instead of saying "stop, I don't like that."  If you want to blame anyone, blame the parents of both kids who farked up their children so badly that this ever happened.

The crap with that other girl and "Ryan" is blatant rape though and the university clearly tried to blame the victim.  There's plenty of reasons this place needs to get sued into the ground, I'm just not ready to fire up the torches and go after "John".
2014-02-20 05:07:22 PM
3 votes:

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?
2014-02-20 05:07:05 PM
3 votes:

TomD9938: Boojum2k: TomD9938: Is that rape?

It's sexual assault.

Is that a "yes" or a "no"?


It's a crime, and should be handled by law enforcement and a DA, not a college administrator who wants to keep alumni cash coming in and stop bad news from going out.
2014-02-20 05:03:33 PM
3 votes:
"God would have kept you conscious to bear witness to the abuse against you."

Jesus H. Motherf*ck.
2014-02-20 04:59:34 PM
3 votes:
Wow. That school is thoroughly repulsive.

I cannot understand anyone who thinks that this kind of oppressive programming of their children is in any way acceptable. If your ideas are so weak that they cannot survive the light of day and you need to isolate your children to ensure the programming takes ... well, your ideas are farked.

Grow up and let your children grow up to be whole people.
2014-02-20 04:57:33 PM
3 votes:
Didn't anybody RTFA??  The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4YAx1nqDM

It might be some kind of crime, but it's not an OMG!!! RAPIST GOES FREE event either.  Don't let your hatred of all things Christian make you lose your collective fark heads out there.
2014-02-20 04:55:16 PM
3 votes:

StopLurkListen: what_now: Quick check of the website tells me that...

Because the College is recognized by the Department of Education as an eligible institution, PHC families are eligible to take advantage of student loans. To take advantage of these benefits, please be sure to use the College's OPE ID number 039513-00.

This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.

I'm unfamiliar with the rules in this area. Can you elaborate?


Under Title IX you cannot discriminate against women in your school, and still take federal funding.

In the past 5-10 years this has been expanded by case law and by statute to require schools to have a sexual harassment and sexual violence prevention policy, to investigate all claims of harassment, abuse, rape, domestic violence, and stalking. Every single member of the college community* is a mandated reporter who is REQUIRED to have bring this to the Title IX coordinator of the school.

The new law- the campus SAVE act- prohibits against retaliation, which includes punishing a student for reporting a sexual assault while drinking, and the updated Violence Against Women Act includes men, women,  the LBGT community, illegal immigrants and Native Americans.

The Department of Education has been cracking down on this- Yale, Penn State, University of Montana have all taken very large fines, terrible PR and been forced to update their policies and send every single staff member to training.

By 10/1/14, every single student at an ED accredited university is REQUIRED to be given comprehensive sexual harassment and sexual assault prevention training.

A school- like this one- that farks that up is going to have their funding yanked, and the I would not be surprised to discover that the people who work at the OCR are champing at the bit to knock these knuckle dragging troglodytes dicks in the dirt.


* except medical personnel
2014-02-20 04:48:41 PM
3 votes:
FTFA: This, however, was Patrick Henry College (PHC), the elite evangelical school better known as "God's Harvard."

Who the hell ever said that with a straight face
2014-02-20 04:45:59 PM
3 votes:

Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.


False analogy is false.

Reading is fundamental.

You are an idiot.
2014-02-20 03:45:00 PM
3 votes:
I drive by this place a lot as it is in the next town over from me, and I sear I never drive by without feeling a creepy shudder down my spine,  there is something   wrong about that place that is totally at odds with the fairly beautiful campus buildings that face the roads.  Part of it is I never actually see any people on campus...walking to class, hanging out on the quad, etc...
2014-02-21 05:22:16 PM
2 votes:

pdee: If she doesn't no or please stop or wait I don't want to do this or something how is the guy supposed to know she hasn't consented?


By not assuming silence means consent.
It's certainly more confusing than someone assertive enough to just say "no", but no matter how horny you are, you can't assume your new partner is DTF unless they say so or are active, enthusiastic participants. Making those assumptions is assholish at best, sexual assault at worst.
2014-02-21 01:31:08 PM
2 votes:

Githerax: Take some personal responsibility, people!


So what you are saying is that because she broke some rules then it is ok to sexually assault her.

I guess when a woman cuts me off when I'm driving down the road, by your logic, it would be ok for me to dry hump her. She did break the rules by cutting me off ... she needs to "Take some personal responsibility"

/ I don't know why people look at fossils when trying to study cavemen. They live among us ... they are known as "religious"
2014-02-21 12:41:32 PM
2 votes:

Githerax: Take some personal responsibility, people!


Your opinion might be valid someday when you live under your own personal theocracy.  The state and local governments we currently have don't allow you to rape, at will, people who have made poor decisions.  I'm a huge fan of personal responsibility, but you're applying it indiscriminately to only one party here.
2014-02-21 12:24:17 PM
2 votes:

geek_mars: FTFA: The dean insisted that she take a psychological evaluation, then called her back to the Office of Student Life, got her parents on speakerphone, and made her tell them about the assault. When she choked up, the student says, Corbitt cut in to finish the job. Then the dean informed her parents that she was unfit for PHC and needed to be retrieved immediately. Her father flew out the following day and whisked her away, says the student.

This, to me, is the most disturbing part of this article. That a father could come and remove his daughter from that place is great; that he could do so without raising hell from one end of that administration to the other is shocking to me (the father of three daughters). Considering as how the tale of his daughter's assault was related to him over the phone, it seems like he'd have shown up with the cops (or a baseball bat) and ensured that someone took his daughter's rape seriously enough to at least perform a proper investigation.


It's why I am so thankful that while my parents are Neo-Cons, they where also "old-school feminists*" and taught be to be strong, defend myself, get an education and not have to rely on a man.

My parents told me that if a man ever tried to hurt me they'd mortgage the house and hire the best lawyers money could buy. They always had my back.

The girls at PHU seem to have been taught to be so farking submissive and wilting flowers it makes me cry. No girl should have to go through that, it's freaking Sharia law and we know how horrible that is.

/AKA Actual Feminists, just not the femin-nazi kind
2014-02-20 08:46:37 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: The dean insisted that she take a psychological evaluation, then called her back to the Office of Student Life, got her parents on speakerphone, and made her tell them about the assault. When she choked up, the student says, Corbitt cut in to finish the job. Then the dean informed her parents that she was unfit for PHC and needed to be retrieved immediately. Her father flew out the following day and whisked her away, says the student.

This, to me, is the most disturbing part of this article. That a father could come and remove his daughter from that place is great; that he could do so without raising hell from one end of that administration to the other is shocking to me (the father of three daughters). Considering as how the tale of his daughter's assault was related to him over the phone, it seems like he'd have shown up with the cops (or a baseball bat) and ensured that someone took his daughter's rape seriously enough to at least perform a proper investigation.
2014-02-20 07:55:22 PM
2 votes:

patrick767: Pro tip for the ladies: If you don't like misogyny, don't go to a fundie school.


I suspect that the majority of girls who go to this school are given no other alternative. There are very few 'real' colleges who accept homeschooled students with no testing accreditation, and fundie parents who have a very narrow definition of where they will allow their precious little hymen to attend.
2014-02-20 07:41:31 PM
2 votes:

patrick767: "If you were telling the truth about this," Sarah remembers Corbitt saying, "God would have kept you conscious to bear witness to the abuse against you."

WTF?!

It gets worse. The guy agreed that he did everything she accused him of doing. He just claimed he thought it was consensual. Both of them got the same penalty: a "growth contract", ie. counseling sessions.

Sadly it appears this girl never has gotten out of the abusive situation that is fundamentalism. She dropped out of the school, but she went on to marry a graduate.


There is a segment of the PHC community that sees through the bullshiat (it's what happens when you teach kids to think, some of them will question your dogma), she and her husband are part of that segment.

One thing you can't assume with stories like these is that everyone leaves the school toeing the party line. I don't know if this is true of them, but for a good number of kids, PHC has a massive amount of freedom compared to the controlling environments they grew up in, and serves as a stepping stone out of fundamentalism as a result. Once you start questioning, you don't stop.
2014-02-20 07:24:40 PM
2 votes:

dfenstrate: 'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.


So who's going to be personally responsible for dumping poison into the Elk River?  Or coal ash into the Dan River?  As long as your answer is "nobody, they're Job Creators® after all", you can STFU about personal responsibility.

And as long as you elect philandering embezzlers to Congress because NANCY PELOSI OOGA BOOGA BOOGA!, you can also STFU about sexual permissiveness.
2014-02-20 07:17:37 PM
2 votes:

dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.

Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes

Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.


You are wrong about the history of the word Liberal (no surprise), but also considering we are talking about Stalin's era it shouldn't matter.
2014-02-20 07:03:43 PM
2 votes:

dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.


Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes
2014-02-20 06:57:53 PM
2 votes:

Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.


Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.
2014-02-20 06:52:39 PM
2 votes:
-Executions for heresy are about as solid as you can get. Liberal orthodoxy isn't any friendlier than conservative orthodoxy.

Great. You have shown that authoritarians are authoritarians whether they are left or right. Thanks for the 5th grade education.

Now show me something that is actually relevant to the conversation.
2014-02-20 06:43:22 PM
2 votes:
FTFAThe self-policing that courtship culture requires, however, is not egalitarian. Responsibility falls disproportionately to women, who are taught to protect their "purity" and to never "tempt" their brothers in Christ to "stumble" with immodest behavior. "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart," the journalist Kathryn Joyce wrote in Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement. These movements, she noted, see "women's bodies as almost supernaturally perverse and corrupting."

But Shari'a law is evil and must be banned.
2014-02-20 06:03:58 PM
2 votes:
I wish I could say I was surprised to hear that rape was an issue on religious conservative campuses but....given their ideology and theology I can't say i'm shocked.  you tell guys that they're chosen of the lord almighty and that they're part of the elect few to be saved, well that's gonna start doing some rather strange things to their worldview.  Then teach women that they're job is to be submissive to a dominant male figure and that they shouldn't have sexy time till they're good and married....it starts setting up sexual tension like nobody's bidness.
2014-02-20 05:42:42 PM
2 votes:

Strolpol: I think the worst part is that by and large, these students are too sheltered to know any better regarding their rights. Their parents raise them in bubbles of religious rhetoric and hand them off to a college that they pay to do the same thing.


Which is just one of the reasons we should stop pretending that "parental rights" trump the actual rights of the citizens they birthed.

I'm not a fan of public schools; I think they're broken in a lot of ways, actually harmful in some, and mostly huge waste of everyone's time. But they do reduce child abuse and ensure that children are aware that their parents are not the ultimate authority -- I strongly believe parents should be required to provide frequent public socialization (i.e. church doesn't count) and certified legal education (i.e. church doesn't count) for their children regardless of other educational choices.
2014-02-20 05:38:06 PM
2 votes:
One thing I've never understood, is why do people who are assaulted on college campuses never call real cops? They always treat the campus as if it's sovereign territory or something. It's not, it's just a farking college campus, the campus "police" are rent-a-cops, the dean and student body president have no legal authority to handle a criminal investigation. Yet time after time, I hear about some woman who's raped on a campus, and allows the school do its own form of pretend justice, which it invariably farks up.

So yeah, any woman who's raped on a college campus, don't tell the rent-a-cops, don't go to your RA, call 911.
2014-02-20 05:08:25 PM
2 votes:
TomD9938:
Also FTA : "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart,"

An acceptance of the fact that we are animals who have been deeply programmed by evolution.



Um, I'm pretty sure the folks at this fine institution very much do NOT accept this premise.  At all.
2014-02-20 05:06:14 PM
2 votes:

Rwa2play: CivicMindedFive: Didn't anybody RTFA??  The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4YAx1nqDM

It might be some kind of crime, but it's not an OMG!!! RAPIST GOES FREE event either.  Don't let your hatred of all things Christian make you lose your collective fark heads out there.

Oh and here comes the white knight charging in...


Did you actually RFTA?  Guy tries to get frisky with a girl who is his friend in his car.  She is stunned and says nothing but pushes him away.  Weeks later, still friends with him, she gets into his car alone again and he does the exact same thing, and this time she says no and he stops.  Is the guy probably a douche, yes.  But it's not rape as the sumtardmitter says.
2014-02-20 05:05:44 PM
2 votes:
This administrator, Sandra Corbitt, is the epitome of evil.  She's party to unspeakable deeds and the perversion of truth.

I hope she roasts in a nice hot fire of her own creation.

/Pastafarian
2014-02-20 05:02:10 PM
2 votes:
Looks like Patrick Henry College got wind of this article being written.

The #1 comment at the bottom of the article is some d-bag implying liberal bias at the National Republic saying that they are eagerly awaiting such thorough coverage of sexual assault at liberal institutions like UCLA.

Wow.
2014-02-20 05:00:28 PM
2 votes:

CivicMindedFive: Didn't anybody RTFA??  The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4YAx1nqDM

It might be some kind of crime, but it's not an OMG!!! RAPIST GOES FREE event either.  Don't let your hatred of all things Christian make you lose your collective fark heads out there.


Oh and here comes the white knight charging in...
2014-02-20 04:52:20 PM
2 votes:

Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.


What the fark.

How is this even remotely the same thing?

Please show me a school that actually forces people to smoke pot and play ultimate frisbee to attend.
2014-02-20 04:50:56 PM
2 votes:

Free Radical: You are an idiot.


Take it up with FIRE, they're the ones claiming widespread liberal indoctrination. *eyeroll*

So Patrick Henry College gets to ignore most federal laws on sexual assault on campus because they don't take federal funds? How about we stop letting colleges pretend to do law enforcement, period. College administrators shouldn't be in the loop for any actual crime investigation.
2014-02-20 04:50:11 PM
2 votes:
That's weird as Patrick Henry was a bartender and home-brew enthusiast.

No word on whether or not he was a rapist.

Give me libations or give me death!
2014-02-20 04:47:40 PM
2 votes:

Strolpol: I think the worst part is that by and large, these students are too sheltered to know any better regarding their rights. Their parents raise them in bubbles of religious rhetoric and hand them off to a college that they pay to do the same thing.

That being said, if I had a daughter who was assaulted and the lady who worked for the college implied that it was her own fault, I don't think they'd manage to pull me off her until I'd gouged at least one eye out.


If you had a daughter that attended that school, you'd probably agree with that lady and make  a point to whip you daughter with a belt for her impurity the next time she was home on break.   These is some scary people when you get down to it, and they have just as many votes as you when it comes to having a say in how the country is run.   More maybe because of the "quiverful" movement
2014-02-20 04:47:23 PM
2 votes:
Teaching faculty must also sign the "Statement of Faith", plus a more detailed "Statement of Biblical Worldview", which represents the college's requirements for what should be taught.[25] For example the Biblical Worldview Applications states that, "Any biology, Bible, or other courses at PHC dealing with creation will teach creation from the understanding of Scripture that God's creative work, as described in Genesis 1:1-31, was completed in six twenty-four-hour days."[26]
2014-02-20 04:42:06 PM
2 votes:
tl; dr..... Fundie school, operating under a thin veneer of moral superiority, blames the woman for enticing men to commit sexual crimes. Like this is a surprise to anyone.
2014-02-21 06:12:02 PM
1 votes:

pdee: Even by your standard the guy in TFA stopped after a minute or 2 without removing any of his clothes or hers. I still cant see how this rises even to assault much less rape.


So it's OK if a huge dude starts rubbing his cock all over you for a minute or two while you're too shocked to react. Got it.
2014-02-21 05:23:42 PM
1 votes:

pdee: The hopeless imp: pdee: Really?  Twice this girl was kissed and dry humped while she and her 'attacker' had all their clothes on.  Both times according to TFA she did not object to his advances.

Now it is being called RAPE.

IF anything TFA is making the case FOR Todd Akin's comments about legitimate  rape.

This happens a lot among the ultra religious. The woman doesn't understand what's going on because her attacker cannot POSSIBLY be doing what he's doing. I believe it happens a lot more than is reported because the victims believe the incident was their fault.
Just because a woman doesn't say no doesn't mean she consented.

If she doesn't no or please stop or wait I don't want to do this or something how is the guy supposed to know she hasn't consented?


I'm not sure how that's ever in question. Then again, I never assume the women working retail are flirting with me.
2014-02-21 05:08:31 PM
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dbrunker: Dragonflew: dbrunker: Maybe subby is being just sarcastic (that's fine) but just in case he isn't can someone point me to a book, chapter and verse in the Bible that says rape is a woman's fault?


[img.fark.net image 302x167]


Here you go:


(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)


If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.


YAY GOD!!!


In our society today if a woman says no to sex and a man continues anyway then it's considered non-consensual (rape) and if the woman doesn't say no then it's considered consensual (not rape).   The  difference between that and the Bible verse (other than the punishment) is the word "help" instead of the word "no".  See, what we're looking for here is a Bible verse that says something like um... idunno... "If a woman shall be in the City and shown her immodesty to all and a man lay with her, though she cry out for help, she shall have behaved foolishly and lain with him and shall be taken out of the gate of the city and stoned."  Can you find something along those lines?


So, to be clear, you're ok with the woman in the bible verse, as written, being stoned to death for being raped?

If she's too afraid of her attacker to cry out or if she's down in a basement and nobody can hear her cries then she deserves to die horribly. This is your position, right?
2014-02-21 04:42:18 PM
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pdee: Really?  Twice this girl was kissed and dry humped while she and her 'attacker' had all their clothes on.  Both times according to TFA she did not object to his advances.

Now it is being called RAPE.

IF anything TFA is making the case FOR Todd Akin's comments about legitimate  rape.


This happens a lot among the ultra religious. The woman doesn't understand what's going on because her attacker cannot POSSIBLY be doing what he's doing. I believe it happens a lot more than is reported because the victims believe the incident was their fault.
Just because a woman doesn't say no doesn't mean she consented.
2014-02-21 02:00:35 PM
1 votes:
Githerax:
Take some personal responsibility, people!

I can't tell if you're a troll, a truly horrible human being, or both.
2014-02-21 12:40:13 PM
1 votes:

dbrunker: Maybe subby is being just sarcastic (that's fine) but just in case he isn't can someone point me to a book, chapter and verse in the Bible that says rape is a woman's fault?

[img.fark.net image 302x167]


Here you go:

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) 

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

YAY GOD!!!
2014-02-21 11:22:43 AM
1 votes:

shortymac: Oh Bullshiat, try to get a good grade supporting Reagan in a super-libby school.


I'm sorry, did you write a bad paper once?
//Going against the professors is expected.  They know you're still learning.
2014-02-21 09:18:06 AM
1 votes:

rynthetyn: Haoie: Why is dancing considered worse than dating?

Because dancing leads to sex. Chaste dating means sitting side by side on a couch leaving enough room between you for the Holy Spirit.


These are, by and large, people who have taken the whole "purity" concept all the way to 11 so that now many of them are pressured to save even their first KISS until their marriage, a concept I think even Victorians would have found prudish
2014-02-21 04:42:04 AM
1 votes:

dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.

Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes

Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.


Dafuq am I reading?
2014-02-21 02:36:40 AM
1 votes:
If you believe that

* men have uncontrollable sexual desires and will rape if provoked

and

* it's women who need to be shut away to protect the men

then you might be a wingnut.

/Whether you're thumping on a Bible or a Qur'an as you spew this crap makes no difference
//Wingnuts is wingnuts
///A-wing-a-nut a-wing-a-nut a-wing-a-nut a-wing-a-nut
////Eee dee dee dee, dee DEE dee dee dee, slashies all the waaaaaaay
2014-02-20 11:51:05 PM
1 votes:

davidhyde: I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?


If they accept GI Bill money, then they're subject to Fed regulations, which they don't want. And as much as it pains me to say it, they're free to accept (or not) the money. Nearly every univ/college already is on the federal teat for money (grants, loans, whatever), so GI Bill is just one more to suck on. But, if a college wants to not be subject to the Feds, then they have to reject GI Bill money.
2014-02-20 10:38:13 PM
1 votes:

Miss Alexandra: You'll obey if you want to pass.  I've heard too many stories.


Let's be more specific.Where exactly are these alleged liberal Universities?'Cause it wouldn't take me too much thought to come up with a farkload of Conservative Christian Colleges, and the only LIberal counterpart I can think of is Reed College.  And even they don't ignore the bits of science that don't fit they're world view.

Maybe UC Santa Cruz 30 years ago, now that think about it.But that's about it.
2014-02-20 10:26:49 PM
1 votes:

TomD9938: FTA :   The self-policing that courtship culture requires, however, is not egalitarian. Responsibility falls disproportionately to women, who are taught to protect their "purity" and to never "tempt" their brothers in Christ to "stumble" with immodest behavior.


That's nice way of saying, "Don't be a slut."  If you let a man use you, he will, and you'll be nothing more than another conquest.


Also FTA : "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart,"


An acceptance of the fact that we are animals who have been deeply programmed by evolution.


Apparently, Tommy likes rape. Also, people who are murdered ask for it by putting themselves into situations wherein they expect to not be murdered. Killing is, after all, a deeply ingrained instinct in all animals. Life feeds on life, and rape is just bros being bros. Sorry ladies.
2014-02-20 09:32:21 PM
1 votes:

beezeltown: That was a long read for "in the end, she joined the Rainbow Family in Florida".


Living with hippies would be pretty irritating, but living with Christian Fundamentalists would be a lot worse ( at least for me)
2014-02-20 09:31:03 PM
1 votes:

TomD9938: FTA :   The self-policing that courtship culture requires, however, is not egalitarian. Responsibility falls disproportionately to women, who are taught to protect their "purity" and to never "tempt" their brothers in Christ to "stumble" with immodest behavior.


That's nice way of saying, "Don't be a slut."  If you let a man use you, he will, and you'll be nothing more than another conquest.


Also FTA : "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart,"


An acceptance of the fact that we are animals who have been deeply programmed by evolution.


Agreed. Studies of ourselves and other great apes have shown lying, cheating, stealing, raping and killing are built-in to our species, among many other traits. But the whole point of civilization is a group agreeing to discourage certain behaviors and encourage others.

But I can't understand the PHC morality. It's illogical. IF one accepts what their morality claims women are, then shouldn't rape of a virgin be theft of a valuable "piece" of the girl's father's property? Seems like PHC would check the girl's hymen, and if it isn't there the accused male gets fined 30 pieces of silver, or something. Doesn't matter if it was consensual. She's damaged goods, and in a free market, someone must pay!

I guess Old Testament rules just aren't good enough for PHC.

To be safe they'd need to inspect all incoming freshman hymens during Orientation. That's going to be a popular job.

/sarcasm
2014-02-20 08:21:50 PM
1 votes:

Huggermugger: patrick767: Pro tip for the ladies: If you don't like misogyny, don't go to a fundie school.

I suspect that the majority of girls who go to this school are given no other alternative. There are very few 'real' colleges who accept homeschooled students with no testing accreditation, and fundie parents who have a very narrow definition of where they will allow their precious little hymen to attend.


 It's actually really easy to get into real schools as a homeschooled student, has been since at least the late '90s. I was homeschooled and did the expensive private liberal arts school thing, most of my friends went to state schools with no issues. If the parents are doing what they're supposed to, it's easy.

The problem is that parents refuse to let their kids go to other schools and because they control the documentation, if they don't want you to go elsewhere you're screwed. It's actually a pretty significant problem--parents refusing to give their daughters any academic documentation, or, if the girls manage that somehow (I know people who forged transcripts and diplomas because their parents refused because girls), then they refuse to sign the FAFSA so that they can get aid. I also know of at least one case where the parents signed the FAFSA but provided fraudulent information to keep their daughter from being eligible for aid, and at the time she was too scared of her parents and too ignorant of the law to report them.

Even getting their parents to agree to PHC is a fight for some of these girls. I personally know of several whose parents hung the threat of refusing to let them go over their heads as a means of absolute control.
2014-02-20 07:27:59 PM
1 votes:
dfenstrate:  Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.


I see we have a PHC alumni among us.
2014-02-20 07:25:02 PM
1 votes:

Twist2005: Later I heard him muttering about how high school girls shouldn't be talking about sex.


Sounds like some administrators don't want them talking about sex, either.  Just keep their whore mouths shut.
2014-02-20 07:08:44 PM
1 votes:

Burning_Monk: dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.

Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes


Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.
2014-02-20 06:56:29 PM
1 votes:

Nick Nostril: Because all religious folks are just like these fundy nutjobs.


You're right, they're not.

But one problem that I see is that more mainstream denominations aren't calling the evangelical right out for being un-Christian.  There seems to be a great deal of apathy towards the actions of the evangelical right by the moderates.  It reminds me of the question as to if a good cop is really good if they turn a blind eye to the activities of a bad cop.  Same deal here.

If more people stood up and denounced the evangelical right as Christian charlatans, it might help to bring Christ back into American Christianity.
2014-02-20 06:52:33 PM
1 votes:

This text is now purple: crab66: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism;

A Soviet school that closed in the 60s. Really? That's all you have got.

Executions for heresy are about as solid as you can get. Liberal orthodoxy isn't any friendlier than conservative orthodoxy.


I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.
2014-02-20 06:33:30 PM
1 votes:

crab66: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism;

A Soviet school that closed in the 60s. Really? That's all you have got.


Executions for heresy are about as solid as you can get. Liberal orthodoxy isn't any friendlier than conservative orthodoxy.
2014-02-20 06:33:11 PM
1 votes:

flondrix: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

I'm sure there are a lot of schools with a campus code of conduct that forbids harassing anyone on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation, and bans the use of all manner of slurs.  Wouldn't that qualify as requiring students to "obey liberal doctrine"?


Liberal campus doctrine deals mostly with speech.
You can't say anything that would hurt someones feelings.


// And whatever you do , don't mention that you think abortion is bad
2014-02-20 06:26:55 PM
1 votes:

This text is now purple: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism


Are you honestly posting that as an example of a liberal school?
2014-02-20 06:14:59 PM
1 votes:
HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS CRAP DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE PEOPLE TREAT RELIGION WITH THE SCORN IT DESERVES?!
2014-02-20 06:09:20 PM
1 votes:
Calm down, people.  All they're saying is, if she didn't want to get raped, she wouldn't have been born with a rape-hole.  According to them, it says so in that book they like.  That's all.
2014-02-20 06:06:12 PM
1 votes:
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Christanity's biggest problem right now is that people associate it with people like him, the loudest voices in the room.
2014-02-20 06:03:32 PM
1 votes:

LectertheChef: One thing I've never understood, is why do people who are assaulted on college campuses never call real cops? They always treat the campus as if it's sovereign territory or something. It's not, it's just a farking college campus, the campus "police" are rent-a-cops, the dean and student body president have no legal authority to handle a criminal investigation. Yet time after time, I hear about some woman who's raped on a campus, and allows the school do its own form of pretend justice, which it invariably farks up.

So yeah, any woman who's raped on a college campus, don't tell the rent-a-cops, don't go to your RA, call 911.


If it is a state university anywhere I've ever lived, the campus cops -are- real cops. State cops, in fact.
Now at a small private school, yeah, they're rent-a-cops.

/The belief that the University PD is a bunch of mall cops always leads to some hilarity
//What you gonna do about it, you farking rent-a-cop?
///Why are you taking me to real jail?
2014-02-20 05:59:22 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: I drive by this place a lot as it is in the next town over from me, and I sear I never drive by without feeling a creepy shudder down my spine,  there is something   wrong about that place that is totally at odds with the fairly beautiful campus buildings that face the roads.  Part of it is I never actually see any people on campus...walking to class, hanging out on the quad, etc...


That reminds me of working in downtown clearwater, florida a while back. , the scientologist mecca. They would march their followers around from building to building with handlers. The wierdest thing was the a line of them at the Bankof America ATM taking out cash and handing it to their handlers.
2014-02-20 05:46:16 PM
1 votes:
I wouldn't be sad if somebody were to burn the hellhole that is PHC to the ground. Evacuate everybody except Corbitt.
2014-02-20 05:11:51 PM
1 votes:

what_now: Any of you rape enablers want to white knight this behavior?

another young woman who spoke on the condition of anonymity says she made a sexual-harassment report to Corbitt. A male student was sending threatening messages, including an e-mail that conveyed that "he wanted to forcibly take my virginity," she says. When she met with Corbitt to show her the e-mail, the student remembers the dean saying, "The choices you make and the people you choose to associate with, the way you try to portray yourself, will affect how people treat you." In subsequent meetings, the student says Corbitt told her to think about her clothing and "the kinds of ideas it puts in men's minds."


Considering the way MRAs have absconded with the term "white knight" almost expected you to be defending the school.  I'm glad you weren't.
2014-02-20 05:10:47 PM
1 votes:
Pro tip for the ladies: If you don't like misogyny, don't go to a fundie school.
2014-02-20 05:10:36 PM
1 votes:
Any of you rape enablers want to white knight this behavior?

another young woman who spoke on the condition of anonymity says she made a sexual-harassment report to Corbitt. A male student was sending threatening messages, including an e-mail that conveyed that "he wanted to forcibly take my virginity," she says. When she met with Corbitt to show her the e-mail, the student remembers the dean saying, "The choices you make and the people you choose to associate with, the way you try to portray yourself, will affect how people treat you." In subsequent meetings, the student says Corbitt told her to think about her clothing and "the kinds of ideas it puts in men's minds."
2014-02-20 05:09:41 PM
1 votes:
So, basically, god's harvard is worse than a community college.
2014-02-20 05:06:47 PM
1 votes:

IlGreven: /Seriously, that's the only context where I hear feminists level "rape culture" accusations.


You should probably get your hearing checked, then. Early detection of hearing problems can prevent deafness and life-long disability. :)
2014-02-20 05:06:36 PM
1 votes:
This story has pretty much every reason why I hate religion.  I feel disgusting just for having read it.
2014-02-20 05:05:43 PM
1 votes:

sendtodave: Peer pressure is a kind of rule.


"Wah, other people disagree with my opinions, how oppressive"
2014-02-20 05:03:29 PM
1 votes:

TomD9938: Is that rape?


It's sexual assault.
2014-02-20 05:03:17 PM
1 votes:
Many students go there with dreams of becoming a senator or the Supreme Court justice who helps overturn Roe v. Wade.

So, assholes.
2014-02-20 05:01:14 PM
1 votes:

legion_of_doo: At university, whether the prof is a lib or con, you figure out what he or she wants to hear, and then you say that.


Bullshiat.  I argued against my polisci prof in every single paper and got pretty decent grades.  And the number of times in literature classes I was flagrantly wrong and but presented the incorrect ideas well and got good grades.

Now Math profs, there's people you better tell what they want to hear.
2014-02-20 05:00:34 PM
1 votes:

what_now: They most certainly do.


On one hand, we have you saying that. On the other hand, we have the article, and specifics were posted in this thread.
2014-02-20 05:00:02 PM
1 votes:
Wherever there are fundies, fun dies.
2014-02-20 04:58:50 PM
1 votes:

Boojum2k: So Patrick Henry College gets to ignore most federal laws on sexual assault on campus because they don't take federal funds? How about we stop letting colleges pretend to do law enforcement, period. College administrators shouldn't be in the loop for any actual crime investigation.


They most certainly do.
2014-02-20 04:58:14 PM
1 votes:

CivicMindedFive: It might be some kind of crime


What's described in the article is certainly sexual assault.
2014-02-20 04:58:13 PM
1 votes:

czetie: what_now: This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.

Unfortunately, PHC grads are deeply entrenched within DC's power structures. Also, taking them on would set off every False Outrage Alarm that the right can muster.


Bring it.

Go ahead and tell the world that you're being picked on because you won't stop rape on your campus.
2014-02-20 04:57:05 PM
1 votes:

czetie: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Fundamentally, the conservative brain is stimulated by fear and disgust, and conservative leaders control their followers by ginning up fear and disgust against outsiders. Following the rules is how you identify fellow insiders. And of course this is why conservative movements are so vulnerable to purity purges (see, for instance, RINOs).

Conversely, the liberal brain is stimulated by novelty and risk. You can no more enforce rules on liberals than you can herd cats, and this is why left wing movements are so prone to fragmentation.

tl:dr: Conservatives are Sparta. Liberals are Athens.


At university, whether the prof is a lib or con, you figure out what he or she wants to hear, and then you say that.

/oh, yes, parroting the libby lib profs is being open minded
2014-02-20 04:56:26 PM
1 votes:

what_now: Quick check of the website tells me that...

Because the College is recognized by the Department of Education as an eligible institution, PHC families are eligible to take advantage of student loans. To take advantage of these benefits, please be sure to use the College's OPE ID number 039513-00.

This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.


Also on their website

"In order to safeguard our distinctly Christian worldview, we do not accept or participate in government funding. We believe such financial independence to be a critical component of a Patrick Henry College education. As a result, the U.S. Department of Education (USDE) federal grant and loan programs, ROTC funds, G.I. Bill funds, and State funds, are not available to PHC students and their families. However, we are confident that our wide range of financial aid options can help bring one of the nation's finest classical, Christian liberal arts educations within the reach of students from many financial backgrounds."

Looks like they avoid federal education and civil rights compliance that way
2014-02-20 04:55:31 PM
1 votes:

tiggis: I wonder how many women are raped at this school verses a secular school each year?


Under current law, they aren't required to report this because they don't take federal funds. Not sure how not being federally-funded gets you a license for obstruction of justice, but it's mentioned in the article.
2014-02-20 04:53:31 PM
1 votes:
Is there another link somewhere that contains a news story rather than something that reads like a chapter from someone's book?
2014-02-20 04:50:47 PM
1 votes:

what_now: This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.


Unfortunately, PHC grads are deeply entrenched within DC's power structures. Also, taking them on would set off every False Outrage Alarm that the right can muster.
2014-02-20 04:50:09 PM
1 votes:

Delawheredad: As reprehensible and twisted as this it it is, in essence, NO DIFFERENT from a major secular college protecting its male jocks from rape and molestations charges. At this school its ...but Jesus! at  a PAC 10 school its ... but TV money!


Both are false gods.
2014-02-20 04:45:06 PM
1 votes:

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


Outside of banning firearms on campus, there really isn't  "policeable" doctrine that might be considered liberal.
2014-02-20 04:41:07 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: ikanreed: vudukungfu: People like this need to be purged from the land.

Are they the problem, or the system that created them?

[static.gamespot.com image 288x288]

/Purge it all


Why not both?  Seriously?  For mass murder?  I'm just pretending you're serious, and wondering if you actually think killing them all is a good way to handle the broken right wing.
2014-02-20 04:38:50 PM
1 votes:
Quick check of the website tells me that...

Because the College is recognized by the Department of Education as an eligible institution, PHC families are eligible to take advantage of student loans. To take advantage of these benefits, please be sure to use the College's OPE ID number 039513-00.

This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.
2014-02-20 04:37:24 PM
1 votes:

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.
2014-02-20 04:34:14 PM
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2014-02-20 03:59:45 PM
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Magorn: I drive by this place a lot as it is in the next town over from me, and I sear I never drive by without feeling a creepy shudder down my spine,  there is something   wrong about that place that is totally at odds with the fairly beautiful campus buildings that face the roads.  Part of it is I never actually see any people on campus...walking to class, hanging out on the quad, etc...


Came here to say something very similar. It is not a good place.
 
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