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2014-02-20 06:26:55 PM  

This text is now purple: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism


Are you honestly posting that as an example of a liberal school?
 
2014-02-20 06:29:49 PM  

Tigger: This text is now purple: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

Are you honestly posting that as an example of a liberal school?


Was it a state-executed orthodoxy which forcibly applied a doctrine which would be considered liberal relative to American politics?

Then yes, yes I am.
 
2014-02-20 06:29:53 PM  

qorkfiend: toraque: King Something: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?

We don't have a doctrine.  We just have a secret handshake and a theme song.

Well, and the handbook. I mean, Manifesto. Plus all of our secret gay turtle spouses.


And don't forget the secret decoder ring. What? You didn't get one.


// Oh , my bad. Forget I mentioned it
 
2014-02-20 06:30:00 PM  
ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism;



A Soviet school that closed in the 60s. Really? That's all you have got.
 
2014-02-20 06:33:11 PM  

flondrix: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

I'm sure there are a lot of schools with a campus code of conduct that forbids harassing anyone on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation, and bans the use of all manner of slurs.  Wouldn't that qualify as requiring students to "obey liberal doctrine"?


Liberal campus doctrine deals mostly with speech.
You can't say anything that would hurt someones feelings.


// And whatever you do , don't mention that you think abortion is bad
 
2014-02-20 06:33:30 PM  

crab66: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism;

A Soviet school that closed in the 60s. Really? That's all you have got.


Executions for heresy are about as solid as you can get. Liberal orthodoxy isn't any friendlier than conservative orthodoxy.
 
2014-02-20 06:38:29 PM  
Does anyone really think that Patrick Henry would have so much as spat upon these people?
Everything i know about the man indicates to me that he would have detested them.
 
2014-02-20 06:42:48 PM  

LectertheChef: One thing I've never understood, is why do people who are assaulted on college campuses never call real cops? They always treat the campus as if it's sovereign territory or something. It's not, it's just a farking college campus, the campus "police" are rent-a-cops, the dean and student body president have no legal authority to handle a criminal investigation. Yet time after time, I hear about some woman who's raped on a campus, and allows the school do its own form of pretend justice, which it invariably farks up.


Look at how crimes are reported in grade school.  When a bully corners you in the hall and punches you in the eye, do you call the police or do you notify the principal's office?  To me, it seems as if we're taught that while in school, you go through administrators.  Seems to carry over to university.


/wonders how the police would respond to a child calling them from an elementary school to report an assault without involvement from school administrators
 
2014-02-20 06:43:22 PM  
FTFAThe self-policing that courtship culture requires, however, is not egalitarian. Responsibility falls disproportionately to women, who are taught to protect their "purity" and to never "tempt" their brothers in Christ to "stumble" with immodest behavior. "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart," the journalist Kathryn Joyce wrote in Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement. These movements, she noted, see "women's bodies as almost supernaturally perverse and corrupting."

But Shari'a law is evil and must be banned.
 
2014-02-20 06:43:29 PM  

TomD9938: Boojum2k: TomD9938: Boojum2k: TomD9938: Is that rape?

It's sexual assault.

Is that a "yes" or a "no"?

It's a crime, and should be handled by law enforcement and a DA, not a college administrator who wants to keep alumni cash coming in and stop bad news from going out.


So, "no", it wasn't a rape as subby implied.


Legal or common/vernacular definition?  By the legal definition, no it wasn't rape.  But most people when discussing sexual crimes, use the term "rape" whether it is a penetrative act involving the genitals or sexual assault.

So i guess....

swtor.gamingfeeds.com
 
2014-02-20 06:49:12 PM  
Which is it?
-Her fault for being a whore
-God's Will
 
2014-02-20 06:51:01 PM  
Using the logic applied by the school's administrators: if one of the rape victims were to, say, firebomb the administration building, and the building burned to the ground, that would be evidence of the school's wrongdoing, right?
 
2014-02-20 06:52:33 PM  

This text is now purple: crab66: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism;

A Soviet school that closed in the 60s. Really? That's all you have got.

Executions for heresy are about as solid as you can get. Liberal orthodoxy isn't any friendlier than conservative orthodoxy.


I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.
 
2014-02-20 06:52:39 PM  
-Executions for heresy are about as solid as you can get. Liberal orthodoxy isn't any friendlier than conservative orthodoxy.

Great. You have shown that authoritarians are authoritarians whether they are left or right. Thanks for the 5th grade education.

Now show me something that is actually relevant to the conversation.
 
2014-02-20 06:52:51 PM  
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2014-02-20 06:56:29 PM  

Nick Nostril: Because all religious folks are just like these fundy nutjobs.


You're right, they're not.

But one problem that I see is that more mainstream denominations aren't calling the evangelical right out for being un-Christian.  There seems to be a great deal of apathy towards the actions of the evangelical right by the moderates.  It reminds me of the question as to if a good cop is really good if they turn a blind eye to the activities of a bad cop.  Same deal here.

If more people stood up and denounced the evangelical right as Christian charlatans, it might help to bring Christ back into American Christianity.
 
2014-02-20 06:57:53 PM  

Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.


Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.
 
2014-02-20 07:02:14 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


You'll obey if you want to pass.  I've heard too many stories.

It's the same thing in the workplace nowadays.  Take a course in "sensitivity training" (as if people aren't too sensitive as it is), think the right thoughts, or get fired.
 
2014-02-20 07:03:43 PM  

dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.


Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes
 
2014-02-20 07:08:44 PM  

Burning_Monk: dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.

Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes


Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.
 
2014-02-20 07:11:33 PM  
So, from what I'm reading in this thread, it sounds like:

Liberal Doctrine: Don't be an asshole to other people.

Conservative Doctrine: Be a selfish asshole.
 
2014-02-20 07:17:33 PM  

FnkyTwn: Which is it?
-Her fault for being a whore
-God's Will




Both
 
2014-02-20 07:17:37 PM  

dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.

Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes

Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.


You are wrong about the history of the word Liberal (no surprise), but also considering we are talking about Stalin's era it shouldn't matter.
 
2014-02-20 07:21:18 PM  
I know a lot of PHC graduates, people who know every person mentioned in the piece, that place is every bit as bad as you think. And they've got most of their current students so brainwashed that they are convinced that every alumni who speaks out is just disgruntled because they were bad kids who wouldn't follow the rules and are lying about everything. Meanwhile, since prospective students are mostly homeschoolers whose parents are supporters of the Home School Legal Defense Association, which was started by Michael Farris, the same guy who started PHC, they're convinced that Farris is this hero to homeschooling who can do no wrong and anyone who criticizes must be trying to destroy homeschooling, because that's what Farris has been spending the last 30 years claiming.

There are currently current PHC students on Twitter calling for the school to sue the victims for speaking out because they're convinced that the women speaking out are lying. They've been so brainwashed they can't consider the possibility that it happened.

Oh, bonus, they aren't really accredited, not by a legit agency. Their accreditation is by TRACS, an agency started by the Institution for Creation Research to provide accreditation for schools that can't get it because they refuse to teach real science. It's next to impossible for students to leave the school without losing their credits because hardly any institution will accept them because it's a fake accreditation. They either have to stick it out or start over from scratch.

They also have a hard time getting into any graduate programs other than law school, which cares more about LSAT scores than anything. And the thing is, because they're so focused on getting kids into law school, PHC grads are at the top schools in the country (they've got several grads at Harvard, one of my sane PHC friends is at Georgetown), mostly preparing to use those degrees to remake the country in a right wing vision.
 
2014-02-20 07:24:40 PM  

dfenstrate: 'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.


So who's going to be personally responsible for dumping poison into the Elk River?  Or coal ash into the Dan River?  As long as your answer is "nobody, they're Job Creators® after all", you can STFU about personal responsibility.

And as long as you elect philandering embezzlers to Congress because NANCY PELOSI OOGA BOOGA BOOGA!, you can also STFU about sexual permissiveness.
 
2014-02-20 07:25:02 PM  

Twist2005: Later I heard him muttering about how high school girls shouldn't be talking about sex.


Sounds like some administrators don't want them talking about sex, either.  Just keep their whore mouths shut.
 
2014-02-20 07:26:58 PM  
First BJU, now Patrick Henry. Why are these places still open?
 
2014-02-20 07:27:59 PM  
dfenstrate:  Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.


I see we have a PHC alumni among us.
 
2014-02-20 07:41:31 PM  

patrick767: "If you were telling the truth about this," Sarah remembers Corbitt saying, "God would have kept you conscious to bear witness to the abuse against you."

WTF?!

It gets worse. The guy agreed that he did everything she accused him of doing. He just claimed he thought it was consensual. Both of them got the same penalty: a "growth contract", ie. counseling sessions.

Sadly it appears this girl never has gotten out of the abusive situation that is fundamentalism. She dropped out of the school, but she went on to marry a graduate.


There is a segment of the PHC community that sees through the bullshiat (it's what happens when you teach kids to think, some of them will question your dogma), she and her husband are part of that segment.

One thing you can't assume with stories like these is that everyone leaves the school toeing the party line. I don't know if this is true of them, but for a good number of kids, PHC has a massive amount of freedom compared to the controlling environments they grew up in, and serves as a stepping stone out of fundamentalism as a result. Once you start questioning, you don't stop.
 
2014-02-20 07:45:48 PM  

brap: That's weird as Patrick Henry was a bartender and home-brew enthusiast.

No word on whether or not he was a rapist.

Give me libations or give me death!


You are referencing a common misinterpretation. Mr. Henry actually home-brewed non-alcoholic grape juice.
 
2014-02-20 07:52:27 PM  
I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?
 
2014-02-20 07:55:02 PM  
FTA: Officials from Patrick Henry College declined interview requests.. because the article was so looooong and rambling that nobody could get through everything to answer the damn questions. They also demanded Essay-style answers to their questions.
 
2014-02-20 07:55:22 PM  

patrick767: Pro tip for the ladies: If you don't like misogyny, don't go to a fundie school.


I suspect that the majority of girls who go to this school are given no other alternative. There are very few 'real' colleges who accept homeschooled students with no testing accreditation, and fundie parents who have a very narrow definition of where they will allow their precious little hymen to attend.
 
2014-02-20 08:21:50 PM  

Huggermugger: patrick767: Pro tip for the ladies: If you don't like misogyny, don't go to a fundie school.

I suspect that the majority of girls who go to this school are given no other alternative. There are very few 'real' colleges who accept homeschooled students with no testing accreditation, and fundie parents who have a very narrow definition of where they will allow their precious little hymen to attend.


 It's actually really easy to get into real schools as a homeschooled student, has been since at least the late '90s. I was homeschooled and did the expensive private liberal arts school thing, most of my friends went to state schools with no issues. If the parents are doing what they're supposed to, it's easy.

The problem is that parents refuse to let their kids go to other schools and because they control the documentation, if they don't want you to go elsewhere you're screwed. It's actually a pretty significant problem--parents refusing to give their daughters any academic documentation, or, if the girls manage that somehow (I know people who forged transcripts and diplomas because their parents refused because girls), then they refuse to sign the FAFSA so that they can get aid. I also know of at least one case where the parents signed the FAFSA but provided fraudulent information to keep their daughter from being eligible for aid, and at the time she was too scared of her parents and too ignorant of the law to report them.

Even getting their parents to agree to PHC is a fight for some of these girls. I personally know of several whose parents hung the threat of refusing to let them go over their heads as a means of absolute control.
 
2014-02-20 08:46:37 PM  
FTFA: The dean insisted that she take a psychological evaluation, then called her back to the Office of Student Life, got her parents on speakerphone, and made her tell them about the assault. When she choked up, the student says, Corbitt cut in to finish the job. Then the dean informed her parents that she was unfit for PHC and needed to be retrieved immediately. Her father flew out the following day and whisked her away, says the student.

This, to me, is the most disturbing part of this article. That a father could come and remove his daughter from that place is great; that he could do so without raising hell from one end of that administration to the other is shocking to me (the father of three daughters). Considering as how the tale of his daughter's assault was related to him over the phone, it seems like he'd have shown up with the cops (or a baseball bat) and ensured that someone took his daughter's rape seriously enough to at least perform a proper investigation.
 
2014-02-20 08:56:40 PM  

geek_mars: FTFA: The dean insisted that she take a psychological evaluation, then called her back to the Office of Student Life, got her parents on speakerphone, and made her tell them about the assault. When she choked up, the student says, Corbitt cut in to finish the job. Then the dean informed her parents that she was unfit for PHC and needed to be retrieved immediately. Her father flew out the following day and whisked her away, says the student.

This, to me, is the most disturbing part of this article. That a father could come and remove his daughter from that place is great; that he could do so without raising hell from one end of that administration to the other is shocking to me (the father of three daughters). Considering as how the tale of his daughter's assault was related to him over the phone, it seems like he'd have shown up with the cops (or a baseball bat) and ensured that someone took his daughter's rape seriously enough to at least perform a proper investigation.


Odds are good that the father didn't come and get her because the school was farked up and it was an environment you should get the hell out of, but because the school was basically forcing her out. And because of the victim-blaming in that world, she may very well have gotten blamed by her family for being "immodest" or for causing a man to stumble.
 
2014-02-20 09:00:07 PM  
The sad thing is, what happened to those girls is all that different from what happens at other colleges, just replace religious zealot with athletic department.
 
2014-02-20 09:03:05 PM  

laughin: what happened to those girls is all that different from what happens at other colleges, just replace religious zealot with fraternity brothers.


FTFY, lot of the Joe McRapey types aren't in the athletic department, although many are. But they do tend to be members of a frat.
 
2014-02-20 09:05:26 PM  
And if they have there way. These are the people who will be running the government in a few years.
Sleep tight.
 
2014-02-20 09:10:10 PM  

profplump: Strolpol: I think the worst part is that by and large, these students are too sheltered to know any better regarding their rights. Their parents raise them in bubbles of religious rhetoric and hand them off to a college that they pay to do the same thing.

Which is just one of the reasons we should stop pretending that "parental rights" trump the actual rights of the citizens they birthed.

I'm not a fan of public schools; I think they're broken in a lot of ways, actually harmful in some, and mostly huge waste of everyone's time. But they do reduce child abuse and ensure that children are aware that their parents are not the ultimate authority -- I strongly believe parents should be required to provide frequent public socialization (i.e. church doesn't count) and certified legal education (i.e. church doesn't count) for their children regardless of other educational choices.


Yeah, that idea works really great until you live in a shiathole.

 Then good luck keeping your kids away from gangs and drugs.

/there isn't going to be a one-size-fits-all solution to stuff like this.
 
2014-02-20 09:20:36 PM  

what_now: StopLurkListen: what_now: Quick check of the website tells me that...

Because the College is recognized by the Department of Education as an eligible institution, PHC families are eligible to take advantage of student loans. To take advantage of these benefits, please be sure to use the College's OPE ID number 039513-00.

This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.

I'm unfamiliar with the rules in this area. Can you elaborate?

Under Title IX you cannot discriminate against women in your school, and still take federal funding.

In the past 5-10 years this has been expanded by case law and by statute to require schools to have a sexual harassment and sexual violence prevention policy, to investigate all claims of harassment, abuse, rape, domestic violence, and stalking. Every single member of the college community* is a mandated reporter who is REQUIRED to have bring this to the Title IX coordinator of the school.

The new law- the campus SAVE act- prohibits against retaliation, which includes punishing a student for reporting a sexual assault while drinking, and the updated Violence Against Women Act includes men, women,  the LBGT community, illegal immigrants and Native Americans.

The Department of Education has been cracking down on this- Yale, Penn State, University of Montana have all taken very large fines, terrible PR and been forced to update their policies and send every single staff member to training.

By 10/1/14, every single student at an ED accredited university is REQUIRED to be given comprehensive sexual harassment and sexual assault prevention training.

A school- like this one- that farks that up is going to have their funding yanked, and the I would not be surprised to discover that the people who work at the OCR are champing at the bit to knock these knuckle dragging troglodytes dicks in the dirt.


* except medical personnel


1) thanks for all the info
2) brainwashing is a terrible thing. why isnt the first thing that she did, when she got her shiat together, was call the police. BECAUSE GOD WOULD PUNISH HER. ..... sigh

I cant imagine being a human, helping someone who had JUST been attacked and not offering and calling the police for them. PERIOD. 

My first thought? OMG ARE YOU OK? We are going to the hospital. And then take them there and sit with them as long as they needed.

My second thought would be, please can we call the police?

/yes, I know. These are all her decisions. Yes, I know that trauma itself is a gigantic hurdle.
/WHAT KIND OF AN ANIMAL ............. nvm ... nvm ... I hate these people so very much.
 
2014-02-20 09:31:03 PM  

TomD9938: FTA :   The self-policing that courtship culture requires, however, is not egalitarian. Responsibility falls disproportionately to women, who are taught to protect their "purity" and to never "tempt" their brothers in Christ to "stumble" with immodest behavior.


That's nice way of saying, "Don't be a slut."  If you let a man use you, he will, and you'll be nothing more than another conquest.


Also FTA : "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart,"


An acceptance of the fact that we are animals who have been deeply programmed by evolution.


Agreed. Studies of ourselves and other great apes have shown lying, cheating, stealing, raping and killing are built-in to our species, among many other traits. But the whole point of civilization is a group agreeing to discourage certain behaviors and encourage others.

But I can't understand the PHC morality. It's illogical. IF one accepts what their morality claims women are, then shouldn't rape of a virgin be theft of a valuable "piece" of the girl's father's property? Seems like PHC would check the girl's hymen, and if it isn't there the accused male gets fined 30 pieces of silver, or something. Doesn't matter if it was consensual. She's damaged goods, and in a free market, someone must pay!

I guess Old Testament rules just aren't good enough for PHC.

To be safe they'd need to inspect all incoming freshman hymens during Orientation. That's going to be a popular job.

/sarcasm
 
2014-02-20 09:32:21 PM  

beezeltown: That was a long read for "in the end, she joined the Rainbow Family in Florida".


Living with hippies would be pretty irritating, but living with Christian Fundamentalists would be a lot worse ( at least for me)
 
2014-02-20 09:48:38 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: beezeltown: That was a long read for "in the end, she joined the Rainbow Family in Florida".

Living with hippies would be pretty irritating, but living with Christian Fundamentalists would be a lot worse ( at least for me)


I concur.
 
2014-02-20 09:49:52 PM  

davidhyde: I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?


Some vets are jackasses who - just like when they were serving - ruin things for everyone else. They convince the school's financial department somehow that the G.I. Bill is directly dispensed to them, and then they pay the school. So the school files the paperwork and the student gets paid for going to the school, and the school never gets paid.
Enough jackasses do it and the school refuses the G.I.Bill.
The good news is that this mostly only happens in schools that suck anyway. The others do the sensible thing and get someone who knows how veteran's benefits work.
There is no requirement that the school accept it, and in fact the VA can refuse to approve it for a particular school.
 
2014-02-20 10:00:52 PM  
davidhyde: I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?

Some vets are jackasses who - just like when they were serving - ruin things for everyone else. They convince the school's financial department somehow that the G.I. Bill is directly dispensed to them, and then they pay the school. So the school files the paperwork and the student gets paid for going to the school, and the school never gets paid.
Enough jackasses do it and the school refuses the G.I.Bill.
The good news is that this mostly only happens in schools that suck anyway. The others do the sensible thing and get someone who knows how veteran's benefits work.
There is no requirement that the school accept it, and in fact the VA can refuse to approve it for a particular school.

Thanks.
 
2014-02-20 10:01:58 PM  

rynthetyn: geek_mars: FTFA: The dean insisted that she take a psychological evaluation, then called her back to the Office of Student Life, got her parents on speakerphone, and made her tell them about the assault. When she choked up, the student says, Corbitt cut in to finish the job. Then the dean informed her parents that she was unfit for PHC and needed to be retrieved immediately. Her father flew out the following day and whisked her away, says the student.

This, to me, is the most disturbing part of this article. That a father could come and remove his daughter from that place is great; that he could do so without raising hell from one end of that administration to the other is shocking to me (the father of three daughters). Considering as how the tale of his daughter's assault was related to him over the phone, it seems like he'd have shown up with the cops (or a baseball bat) and ensured that someone took his daughter's rape seriously enough to at least perform a proper investigation.

Odds are good that the father didn't come and get her because the school was farked up and it was an environment you should get the hell out of, but because the school was basically forcing her out. And because of the victim-blaming in that world, she may very well have gotten blamed by her family for being "immodest" or for causing a man to stumble.


Oh, I get that. I just still find it both disturbing and disgusting.
 
2014-02-20 10:26:49 PM  

TomD9938: FTA :   The self-policing that courtship culture requires, however, is not egalitarian. Responsibility falls disproportionately to women, who are taught to protect their "purity" and to never "tempt" their brothers in Christ to "stumble" with immodest behavior.


That's nice way of saying, "Don't be a slut."  If you let a man use you, he will, and you'll be nothing more than another conquest.


Also FTA : "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart,"


An acceptance of the fact that we are animals who have been deeply programmed by evolution.


Apparently, Tommy likes rape. Also, people who are murdered ask for it by putting themselves into situations wherein they expect to not be murdered. Killing is, after all, a deeply ingrained instinct in all animals. Life feeds on life, and rape is just bros being bros. Sorry ladies.
 
2014-02-20 10:38:13 PM  

Miss Alexandra: You'll obey if you want to pass.  I've heard too many stories.


Let's be more specific.Where exactly are these alleged liberal Universities?'Cause it wouldn't take me too much thought to come up with a farkload of Conservative Christian Colleges, and the only LIberal counterpart I can think of is Reed College.  And even they don't ignore the bits of science that don't fit they're world view.

Maybe UC Santa Cruz 30 years ago, now that think about it.But that's about it.
 
2014-02-20 11:51:05 PM  

davidhyde: I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?


If they accept GI Bill money, then they're subject to Fed regulations, which they don't want. And as much as it pains me to say it, they're free to accept (or not) the money. Nearly every univ/college already is on the federal teat for money (grants, loans, whatever), so GI Bill is just one more to suck on. But, if a college wants to not be subject to the Feds, then they have to reject GI Bill money.
 
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