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(The New Republic)   Evangelical Patrick Henry College, forbids students to smoke, drink, swear, dance or even date without written parental permission; and of course, in keeping with biblical principles, if you are raped it's your own fault, you filthy harlot   (newrepublic.com ) divider line
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2014-02-20 05:06:47 PM  

IlGreven: /Seriously, that's the only context where I hear feminists level "rape culture" accusations.


You should probably get your hearing checked, then. Early detection of hearing problems can prevent deafness and life-long disability. :)
 
2014-02-20 05:07:05 PM  

TomD9938: Boojum2k: TomD9938: Is that rape?

It's sexual assault.

Is that a "yes" or a "no"?


It's a crime, and should be handled by law enforcement and a DA, not a college administrator who wants to keep alumni cash coming in and stop bad news from going out.
 
2014-02-20 05:07:22 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?
 
2014-02-20 05:08:25 PM  
TomD9938:
Also FTA : "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart,"

An acceptance of the fact that we are animals who have been deeply programmed by evolution.



Um, I'm pretty sure the folks at this fine institution very much do NOT accept this premise.  At all.
 
2014-02-20 05:09:41 PM  
So, basically, god's harvard is worse than a community college.
 
2014-02-20 05:10:28 PM  

King Something: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?


Sure, you can certainly come up with a pastiche of one, like environmental prohibitions, secularism, and the like.
 
2014-02-20 05:10:36 PM  
Any of you rape enablers want to white knight this behavior?

another young woman who spoke on the condition of anonymity says she made a sexual-harassment report to Corbitt. A male student was sending threatening messages, including an e-mail that conveyed that "he wanted to forcibly take my virginity," she says. When she met with Corbitt to show her the e-mail, the student remembers the dean saying, "The choices you make and the people you choose to associate with, the way you try to portray yourself, will affect how people treat you." In subsequent meetings, the student says Corbitt told her to think about her clothing and "the kinds of ideas it puts in men's minds."
 
2014-02-20 05:10:47 PM  
Pro tip for the ladies: If you don't like misogyny, don't go to a fundie school.
 
2014-02-20 05:11:51 PM  

what_now: Any of you rape enablers want to white knight this behavior?

another young woman who spoke on the condition of anonymity says she made a sexual-harassment report to Corbitt. A male student was sending threatening messages, including an e-mail that conveyed that "he wanted to forcibly take my virginity," she says. When she met with Corbitt to show her the e-mail, the student remembers the dean saying, "The choices you make and the people you choose to associate with, the way you try to portray yourself, will affect how people treat you." In subsequent meetings, the student says Corbitt told her to think about her clothing and "the kinds of ideas it puts in men's minds."


Considering the way MRAs have absconded with the term "white knight" almost expected you to be defending the school.  I'm glad you weren't.
 
2014-02-20 05:12:40 PM  

ikanreed: almost expected you to be defending the school.


I am a title IX coordinator. I don't condone campus sexual assault.
 
2014-02-20 05:13:02 PM  

Boojum2k: CivicMindedFive: It might be some kind of crime

What's described in the article is certainly sexual assault.


Claire's thing was probable sexual assault, but the problem is that by her own admission she let the guy do it the first time and didn't say anything.  While you or I would know that's bad and you don't do that to women without asking, keep in mind that the guy is just as broken as anybody else who goes to that school.  It's quite possible he just figured that's what you do with women, took his shot, and when she didn't say anything he figured he was in the clear, especially because by her own account she tried to pass things off as normal.  Second time rolls around, he figures it worked so well the last time why not this time, but now she freaks out and tells him to stop.  Here's the important part: he stopped.  I'm not saying it wasn't traumatizing for her, but to me it sounds like this was a crude attempt by a sexually repressed, likely embarrassed kid at having sexytimes with a real female woman, and had the misfortune to try it on someone whose reaction to rape terror was to repress and deny instead of saying "stop, I don't like that."  If you want to blame anyone, blame the parents of both kids who farked up their children so badly that this ever happened.

The crap with that other girl and "Ryan" is blatant rape though and the university clearly tried to blame the victim.  There's plenty of reasons this place needs to get sued into the ground, I'm just not ready to fire up the torches and go after "John".
 
2014-02-20 05:14:19 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Rwa2play: CivicMindedFive: Didn't anybody RTFA??  The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4YAx1nqDM

It might be some kind of crime, but it's not an OMG!!! RAPIST GOES FREE event either.  Don't let your hatred of all things Christian make you lose your collective fark heads out there.

Oh and here comes the white knight charging in...

Did you actually RFTA?  Guy tries to get frisky with a girl who is his friend in his car.  She is stunned and says nothing but pushes him away.  Weeks later, still friends with him, she gets into his car alone again and he does the exact same thing, and this time she says no and he stops.  Is the guy probably a douche, yes.  But it's not rape as the sumtardmitter says.


I think it qualifies as assault or attempted rape, not rape.
 
2014-02-20 05:17:18 PM  

baronbloodbath: This administrator, Sandra Corbitt, is the epitome of evil.  She's party to unspeakable deeds and the perversion of truth.

I hope she roasts in a nice hot fire of her own creation.


THIS! The stories in TFA all seem to have one horrible person in common.
 
2014-02-20 05:19:34 PM  

ikanreed: sendtodave: Peer pressure is a kind of rule.

"Wah, other people disagree with my opinions, how oppressive"


Yeah, that's how peer pressure works.  Something like that.
 
2014-02-20 05:25:52 PM  
"If you were telling the truth about this," Sarah remembers Corbitt saying, "God would have kept you conscious to bear witness to the abuse against you."

WTF?!

It gets worse. The guy agreed that he did everything she accused him of doing. He just claimed he thought it was consensual. Both of them got the same penalty: a "growth contract", ie. counseling sessions.

Sadly it appears this girl never has gotten out of the abusive situation that is fundamentalism. She dropped out of the school, but she went on to marry a graduate.
 
2014-02-20 05:27:16 PM  

mcreadyblue: I think it qualifies as assault or attempted rape


No it farking doesn't.
 
2014-02-20 05:28:09 PM  

ikanreed: scottydoesntknow: ikanreed: vudukungfu: People like this need to be purged from the land.

Are they the problem, or the system that created them?

[static.gamespot.com image 288x288]

/Purge it all

Why not both?  Seriously?  For mass murder?  I'm just pretending you're serious, and wondering if you actually think killing them all is a good way to handle the broken right wing.


50 million uneducated savages died for us to secure this great country. I mean it's practically a tradition now.
 
2014-02-20 05:28:17 PM  

King Something: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?


We don't have a doctrine.  We just have a secret handshake and a theme song.
 
2014-02-20 05:29:36 PM  

Boojum2k: TomD9938: Boojum2k: TomD9938: Is that rape?

It's sexual assault.

Is that a "yes" or a "no"?

It's a crime, and should be handled by law enforcement and a DA, not a college administrator who wants to keep alumni cash coming in and stop bad news from going out.



So, "no", it wasn't a rape as subby implied.
 
2014-02-20 05:29:40 PM  
Can they have slaves?
 
2014-02-20 05:31:03 PM  

ArkPanda: Pick13: FTFA: This, however, was Patrick Henry College (PHC), the elite evangelical school better known as "God's Harvard."

Who the hell ever said that with a straight face

There's plenty of respectable religious-affiliated schools around.  Georgetown is the first one that comes to mind.


Georgetown was founded  in 1789 and they wouldn't put up with this bullShait. This 14 year old school can go fark them self

Georgetown does have a bunch of harlots

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2014-02-20 05:38:06 PM  
One thing I've never understood, is why do people who are assaulted on college campuses never call real cops? They always treat the campus as if it's sovereign territory or something. It's not, it's just a farking college campus, the campus "police" are rent-a-cops, the dean and student body president have no legal authority to handle a criminal investigation. Yet time after time, I hear about some woman who's raped on a campus, and allows the school do its own form of pretend justice, which it invariably farks up.

So yeah, any woman who's raped on a college campus, don't tell the rent-a-cops, don't go to your RA, call 911.
 
2014-02-20 05:41:42 PM  

toraque: King Something: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?

We don't have a doctrine.  We just have a secret handshake and a theme song.


Well, and the handbook. I mean, Manifesto. Plus all of our secret gay turtle spouses.
 
2014-02-20 05:42:22 PM  

legion_of_doo: czetie: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Fundamentally, the conservative brain is stimulated by fear and disgust, and conservative leaders control their followers by ginning up fear and disgust against outsiders. Following the rules is how you identify fellow insiders. And of course this is why conservative movements are so vulnerable to purity purges (see, for instance, RINOs).

Conversely, the liberal brain is stimulated by novelty and risk. You can no more enforce rules on liberals than you can herd cats, and this is why left wing movements are so prone to fragmentation.

tl:dr: Conservatives are Sparta. Liberals are Athens.

At university, whether the prof is a lib or con, you figure out what he or she wants to hear, and then you say that.

/oh, yes, parroting the libby lib profs is being open minded


I have no idea why you think that is in any way a response to what I wrote. Or indeed an intelligent contribution of any kind.
 
2014-02-20 05:42:42 PM  

Strolpol: I think the worst part is that by and large, these students are too sheltered to know any better regarding their rights. Their parents raise them in bubbles of religious rhetoric and hand them off to a college that they pay to do the same thing.


Which is just one of the reasons we should stop pretending that "parental rights" trump the actual rights of the citizens they birthed.

I'm not a fan of public schools; I think they're broken in a lot of ways, actually harmful in some, and mostly huge waste of everyone's time. But they do reduce child abuse and ensure that children are aware that their parents are not the ultimate authority -- I strongly believe parents should be required to provide frequent public socialization (i.e. church doesn't count) and certified legal education (i.e. church doesn't count) for their children regardless of other educational choices.
 
2014-02-20 05:44:37 PM  
So, is this going to be a "Christian bashing" thread, or a "women-who-make-false-rape-allegations bashing" thread?  I need to know who to direct my selective outrage toward.
 
2014-02-20 05:46:16 PM  
I wouldn't be sad if somebody were to burn the hellhole that is PHC to the ground. Evacuate everybody except Corbitt.
 
2014-02-20 05:47:37 PM  
I'm not ready to tar and feather, but there are a lot of issues at play here:

First off, I without numbers I'd be hard pressed to say that college has a problem - and I remember my college in the 70's trying really hard not to have any on campus rapes - it's bad for recruiting and I did not go to a jock school with lots of steroid apes running around going batshiat.

However, I can see the parents and students issues, since they claim to be such a pure school, any failures by students, etc. must be more serious than what happens at 'Public' colleges, particuarly when they agree not to have sex without parental permission [what a hoot!].

Expecting the impossible, I say.

"Boys, and Girls and Music!  Why do they need Gin?"

/obscure?
 
2014-02-20 05:52:03 PM  
czetie:

tl:dr: Conservatives are SpartaMordor. Liberals are Athens.

FTFY
 
2014-02-20 05:59:22 PM  

Magorn: I drive by this place a lot as it is in the next town over from me, and I sear I never drive by without feeling a creepy shudder down my spine,  there is something   wrong about that place that is totally at odds with the fairly beautiful campus buildings that face the roads.  Part of it is I never actually see any people on campus...walking to class, hanging out on the quad, etc...


That reminds me of working in downtown clearwater, florida a while back. , the scientologist mecca. They would march their followers around from building to building with handlers. The wierdest thing was the a line of them at the Bankof America ATM taking out cash and handing it to their handlers.
 
2014-02-20 05:59:31 PM  

Mouser: So, is this going to be a "Christian bashing" thread, or a "women-who-make-false-rape-allegations bashing" thread?  I need to know who to direct my selective outrage toward.


thats eazy all threads are christian bashing threads here at the atheist church, wat i wanna know is why its been 10 seconds since we've had 10-20 ghey threads, im starting to go through withdraw

/ow my ballz
 
2014-02-20 05:59:34 PM  
as long as it wasn't rape rape
 
2014-02-20 06:01:39 PM  
What a harlot might look like..

www.naa.gov.au
 
2014-02-20 06:03:32 PM  

LectertheChef: One thing I've never understood, is why do people who are assaulted on college campuses never call real cops? They always treat the campus as if it's sovereign territory or something. It's not, it's just a farking college campus, the campus "police" are rent-a-cops, the dean and student body president have no legal authority to handle a criminal investigation. Yet time after time, I hear about some woman who's raped on a campus, and allows the school do its own form of pretend justice, which it invariably farks up.

So yeah, any woman who's raped on a college campus, don't tell the rent-a-cops, don't go to your RA, call 911.


If it is a state university anywhere I've ever lived, the campus cops -are- real cops. State cops, in fact.
Now at a small private school, yeah, they're rent-a-cops.

/The belief that the University PD is a bunch of mall cops always leads to some hilarity
//What you gonna do about it, you farking rent-a-cop?
///Why are you taking me to real jail?
 
2014-02-20 06:03:50 PM  
I went to Pasadena City College, which is often known as "Buddha's L.A. Trade Tech", so I'm getting a kick.....
 
2014-02-20 06:03:58 PM  
I wish I could say I was surprised to hear that rape was an issue on religious conservative campuses but....given their ideology and theology I can't say i'm shocked.  you tell guys that they're chosen of the lord almighty and that they're part of the elect few to be saved, well that's gonna start doing some rather strange things to their worldview.  Then teach women that they're job is to be submissive to a dominant male figure and that they shouldn't have sexy time till they're good and married....it starts setting up sexual tension like nobody's bidness.
 
2014-02-20 06:06:12 PM  
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Christanity's biggest problem right now is that people associate it with people like him, the loudest voices in the room.
 
2014-02-20 06:08:35 PM  

techgeek07: So, basically, god's harvard is worse than a community college.


It looks like God's Harvard is worse than a Chicago public school.
 
2014-02-20 06:09:15 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


I'm sure there are a lot of schools with a campus code of conduct that forbids harassing anyone on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation, and bans the use of all manner of slurs.  Wouldn't that qualify as requiring students to "obey liberal doctrine"?
 
2014-02-20 06:09:20 PM  
Calm down, people.  All they're saying is, if she didn't want to get raped, she wouldn't have been born with a rape-hole.  According to them, it says so in that book they like.  That's all.
 
2014-02-20 06:09:29 PM  
That's what you get when you follow the god of a Syrian goat-herder and an Egyptian half-prince.
 
2014-02-20 06:12:58 PM  

Superjew: mcreadyblue: I think it qualifies as assault or attempted rape

No it farking doesn't.


Penitration?
 
2014-02-20 06:13:57 PM  

browntimmy: Is there another link somewhere that contains a news story rather than something that reads like a chapter from someone's book?


This article is about a number of incidents that have happened over a period of years, so a "news story" style would be inappropriate.  By their very nature, and the upbringing of the victims, I doubt any of these incidents ever made it into any sort of "news".
 
2014-02-20 06:14:59 PM  
HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS CRAP DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE PEOPLE TREAT RELIGION WITH THE SCORN IT DESERVES?!
 
2014-02-20 06:15:11 PM  

error 303: Here you go.


So you got nothin'.
 
2014-02-20 06:16:25 PM  
Give me liberty and give me breasts!
 
2014-02-20 06:20:54 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: "Your sins are the only interesting thing about you boring f**ks" --Doug Stanhope


+1 on the DS ref.
 
2014-02-20 06:23:02 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
 
2014-02-20 06:23:10 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS CRAP DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE PEOPLE TREAT RELIGION WITH THE SCORN IT DESERVES?!


Because all religious folks are just like these fundy nutjobs.
 
2014-02-20 06:26:19 PM  

Nick Nostril: Agent Smiths Laugh: HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS CRAP DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE PEOPLE TREAT RELIGION WITH THE SCORN IT DESERVES?!

Because all religious folks are just like these fundy nutjobs.


You're starting to learn.
 
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