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(The New Republic)   Evangelical Patrick Henry College, forbids students to smoke, drink, swear, dance or even date without written parental permission; and of course, in keeping with biblical principles, if you are raped it's your own fault, you filthy harlot   (newrepublic.com ) divider line
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2014-02-20 03:45:00 PM  
I drive by this place a lot as it is in the next town over from me, and I sear I never drive by without feeling a creepy shudder down my spine,  there is something   wrong about that place that is totally at odds with the fairly beautiful campus buildings that face the roads.  Part of it is I never actually see any people on campus...walking to class, hanging out on the quad, etc...
 
2014-02-20 03:59:45 PM  

Magorn: I drive by this place a lot as it is in the next town over from me, and I sear I never drive by without feeling a creepy shudder down my spine,  there is something   wrong about that place that is totally at odds with the fairly beautiful campus buildings that face the roads.  Part of it is I never actually see any people on campus...walking to class, hanging out on the quad, etc...


Came here to say something very similar. It is not a good place.
 
2014-02-20 04:17:21 PM  
Wow...that story was horrifying but sadly, all too predictable.
 
2014-02-20 04:22:36 PM  
Stop it, you guys are freaking me out.
 
2014-02-20 04:32:27 PM  
That's not significantly different from the Fark rape thread principles.
 
2014-02-20 04:33:02 PM  
Is it still okay to park your crazy wife in the basement while you get remarried?
 
2014-02-20 04:33:54 PM  
Cultists gonna cult.
 
2014-02-20 04:34:14 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-02-20 04:34:18 PM  
Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?
 
2014-02-20 04:36:21 PM  
Right up there with al queda and the taliban.

People like this need to be purged from the land.
 
2014-02-20 04:36:51 PM  
Strumpets, the lot of them.
 
2014-02-20 04:37:24 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.
 
2014-02-20 04:37:49 PM  

vudukungfu: People like this need to be purged from the land.


Are they the problem, or the system that created them?
 
2014-02-20 04:38:31 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


They all went out of business giving their students handouts and Cadillacs.

/Poe's law
 
2014-02-20 04:38:50 PM  
Quick check of the website tells me that...

Because the College is recognized by the Department of Education as an eligible institution, PHC families are eligible to take advantage of student loans. To take advantage of these benefits, please be sure to use the College's OPE ID number 039513-00.

This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.
 
2014-02-20 04:39:13 PM  
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is on the way
 
2014-02-20 04:39:44 PM  

ikanreed: vudukungfu: People like this need to be purged from the land.

Are they the problem, or the system that created them?


static.gamespot.com

/Purge it all
 
2014-02-20 04:39:49 PM  

Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.


Right, I forgot.  Teaching anything that might construed as supporting a liberal cause is the same thing as "you must be a conservative christian and obey arcane rules while attending here" cult-schools.
 
2014-02-20 04:39:53 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


Fundamentally, the conservative brain is stimulated by fear and disgust, and conservative leaders control their followers by ginning up fear and disgust against outsiders. Following the rules is how you identify fellow insiders. And of course this is why conservative movements are so vulnerable to purity purges (see, for instance, RINOs).

Conversely, the liberal brain is stimulated by novelty and risk. You can no more enforce rules on liberals than you can herd cats, and this is why left wing movements are so prone to fragmentation.

tl:dr: Conservatives are Sparta. Liberals are Athens.
 
2014-02-20 04:39:53 PM  

Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.


That's... umm... not a school.
 
2014-02-20 04:40:10 PM  
I think the worst part is that by and large, these students are too sheltered to know any better regarding their rights. Their parents raise them in bubbles of religious rhetoric and hand them off to a college that they pay to do the same thing.

That being said, if I had a daughter who was assaulted and the lady who worked for the college implied that it was her own fault, I don't think they'd manage to pull me off her until I'd gouged at least one eye out.
 
2014-02-20 04:40:14 PM  

gnosis301: Stop it, you guys are freaking me out.


At night they say you can see shadows behind the walls and plumes of ghostly smoke rising from the roots of the trees. If you stop for a while you'll hear the anguished cries of the damned souls that failed to heed the warning signs, and so must now call nightly for fresh blood to satiate the gods and demons that call that foul place home.
 
2014-02-20 04:40:44 PM  

what_now: Quick check of the website tells me that...

Because the College is recognized by the Department of Education as an eligible institution, PHC families are eligible to take advantage of student loans. To take advantage of these benefits, please be sure to use the College's OPE ID number 039513-00.

This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.


I'm unfamiliar with the rules in this area. Can you elaborate?
 
2014-02-20 04:41:07 PM  

scottydoesntknow: ikanreed: vudukungfu: People like this need to be purged from the land.

Are they the problem, or the system that created them?

[static.gamespot.com image 288x288]

/Purge it all


Why not both?  Seriously?  For mass murder?  I'm just pretending you're serious, and wondering if you actually think killing them all is a good way to handle the broken right wing.
 
2014-02-20 04:41:59 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: gnosis301: Stop it, you guys are freaking me out.

At night they say you can see shadows behind the walls and plumes of ghostly smoke rising from the roots of the trees. If you stop for a while you'll hear the anguished cries of the damned souls that failed to heed the warning signs, and so must now call nightly for fresh blood to satiate the gods and demons that call that foul place home.


Pffft...  I have to put up with the same crap every time I visit my grandmother's house.
 
2014-02-20 04:42:06 PM  
tl; dr..... Fundie school, operating under a thin veneer of moral superiority, blames the woman for enticing men to commit sexual crimes. Like this is a surprise to anyone.
 
2014-02-20 04:42:42 PM  
"Your sins are the only interesting thing about you boring f**ks" --Doug Stanhope
 
2014-02-20 04:45:00 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


well "liberal doctrine" is a bit of an oxymoron but maybe that's the point.

Many years ago the New Yorker did a piece on PHC that was deeply disturbing to me, not because of their strict ultra-orthodox evangelical beliefs (their "science" department teaches a curriculum  that  is predicated on "young earth" creationism BTW)  but because of the aggressive emphasis they have in placing their grads in political positions, AND the eagerness with which the GOP congressmen and Senators sought them out as staffers because of their "ideological purity".   I think a lot of what gets done on Capitol Hill happens at the staff level, and a lot of the polarization and intransigence we see from the GOP can be directly attributed to a lot of the PHC grads and people like them on Congressional staffs (also their attitudes probably don;t help that whole "war on women " thing)
 
2014-02-20 04:45:06 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


Outside of banning firearms on campus, there really isn't  "policeable" doctrine that might be considered liberal.
 
2014-02-20 04:45:47 PM  
Ah, this must be the imaginary "rape culture" that everyone is always telling me doesn't exist, and is a creation of evil feminist nazi soldiers.
 
2014-02-20 04:45:59 PM  

Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.


False analogy is false.

Reading is fundamental.

You are an idiot.
 
2014-02-20 04:47:23 PM  
Teaching faculty must also sign the "Statement of Faith", plus a more detailed "Statement of Biblical Worldview", which represents the college's requirements for what should be taught.[25] For example the Biblical Worldview Applications states that, "Any biology, Bible, or other courses at PHC dealing with creation will teach creation from the understanding of Scripture that God's creative work, as described in Genesis 1:1-31, was completed in six twenty-four-hour days."[26]
 
2014-02-20 04:47:40 PM  

Strolpol: I think the worst part is that by and large, these students are too sheltered to know any better regarding their rights. Their parents raise them in bubbles of religious rhetoric and hand them off to a college that they pay to do the same thing.

That being said, if I had a daughter who was assaulted and the lady who worked for the college implied that it was her own fault, I don't think they'd manage to pull me off her until I'd gouged at least one eye out.


If you had a daughter that attended that school, you'd probably agree with that lady and make  a point to whip you daughter with a belt for her impurity the next time she was home on break.   These is some scary people when you get down to it, and they have just as many votes as you when it comes to having a say in how the country is run.   More maybe because of the "quiverful" movement
 
2014-02-20 04:48:03 PM  

czetie: Magorn: I drive by this place a lot as it is in the next town over from me, and I sear I never drive by without feeling a creepy shudder down my spine,  there is something   wrong about that place that is totally at odds with the fairly beautiful campus buildings that face the roads.  Part of it is I never actually see any people on campus...walking to class, hanging out on the quad, etc...

Came here to say something very similar. It is not a good place.


"I ain't  go'n anywhere near reaver Evangelical Patrick Henry Collage, them people ain't right".
 
2014-02-20 04:48:10 PM  
As reprehensible and twisted as this it it is, in essence, NO DIFFERENT from a major secular college protecting its male jocks from rape and molestations charges. At this school its ...but Jesus! at  a PAC 10 school its ... but TV money!
 
2014-02-20 04:48:15 PM  
I went to a small, ultra-fundie school like this for my first two years of college. It's where I learned to smoke pot.
 
2014-02-20 04:48:41 PM  
FTFA: This, however, was Patrick Henry College (PHC), the elite evangelical school better known as "God's Harvard."

Who the hell ever said that with a straight face
 
2014-02-20 04:49:10 PM  
Good.  Maybe this will help them awaken to their religion's hypocrisy.
 
2014-02-20 04:49:45 PM  

vudukungfu: Right up there with al queda and the taliban.

People like this need to be purged from the land.


Put them all on an island and let god sort them out.

I vote for Papua New Guinea.
 
2014-02-20 04:50:09 PM  

Delawheredad: As reprehensible and twisted as this it it is, in essence, NO DIFFERENT from a major secular college protecting its male jocks from rape and molestations charges. At this school its ...but Jesus! at  a PAC 10 school its ... but TV money!


Both are false gods.
 
2014-02-20 04:50:11 PM  
That's weird as Patrick Henry was a bartender and home-brew enthusiast.

No word on whether or not he was a rapist.

Give me libations or give me death!
 
2014-02-20 04:50:47 PM  

what_now: This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.


Unfortunately, PHC grads are deeply entrenched within DC's power structures. Also, taking them on would set off every False Outrage Alarm that the right can muster.
 
2014-02-20 04:50:56 PM  

Free Radical: You are an idiot.


Take it up with FIRE, they're the ones claiming widespread liberal indoctrination. *eyeroll*

So Patrick Henry College gets to ignore most federal laws on sexual assault on campus because they don't take federal funds? How about we stop letting colleges pretend to do law enforcement, period. College administrators shouldn't be in the loop for any actual crime investigation.
 
2014-02-20 04:51:00 PM  

ikanreed: vudukungfu: People like this need to be purged from the land.

Are they the problem, or the system that created them?


Chicken, egg.
 
2014-02-20 04:51:36 PM  
They held the regional science fair there the year I went. PLACE WAS farkING CREEPY. I was doing this project on genetic basis for old wives' tales and some professor there started twitching every time I said "sex" when discussing sex-linked traits.
Later I heard him muttering about how high school girls shouldn't be talking about sex.
 
2014-02-20 04:51:46 PM  
I wonder how many women are raped at this school verses a secular school each year?
 
2014-02-20 04:52:16 PM  
BUT DID HE PLAY ON THE FOOTBALL TEAM?!!
 
2014-02-20 04:52:20 PM  

Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.


What the fark.

How is this even remotely the same thing?

Please show me a school that actually forces people to smoke pot and play ultimate frisbee to attend.
 
2014-02-20 04:52:48 PM  

crab66: Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.

What the fark.

How is this even remotely the same thing?

Please show me a school that actually forces people to smoke pot and play ultimate frisbee to attend.


Yes, please. I have some graduate studies I'd like to pursue.
 
2014-02-20 04:53:31 PM  
Is there another link somewhere that contains a news story rather than something that reads like a chapter from someone's book?
 
2014-02-20 04:54:14 PM  

Pick13: FTFA: This, however, was Patrick Henry College (PHC), the elite evangelical school better known as "God's Harvard."

Who the hell ever said that with a straight face


There's plenty of respectable religious-affiliated schools around.  Georgetown is the first one that comes to mind.
 
2014-02-20 04:54:16 PM  

RedVentrue: vudukungfu: Right up there with al queda and the taliban.

People like this need to be purged from the land.

Put them all on an island and let god sort them out.

I vote for Papua New Guinea.


Sounds good to me.
I hear they have Ropen down there.

they can pray to the Ropen.
 
2014-02-20 04:54:20 PM  

Pick13: FTFA: This, however, was Patrick Henry College (PHC), the elite evangelical school better known as "God's Harvard."

Who the hell ever said that with a straight face


If I were employing people a religious school would probably be a huge red flag.
 
2014-02-20 04:54:20 PM  

qorkfiend: crab66: Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.

What the fark.

How is this even remotely the same thing?

Please show me a school that actually forces people to smoke pot and play ultimate frisbee to attend.

Yes, please. I have some graduate studies I'd like to pursue.


Been there, done that
 ecee.colorado.edu
 
2014-02-20 04:55:09 PM  

brap: That's weird as Patrick Henry was a bartender and home-brew enthusiast.

No word on whether or not he was a rapist.

Give me libations or give me death!


FWIW, he did have his wife locked in a windowless room for a time:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Henry#Sarah.27s_illness

//it's not as bad as it sounds
//but still pretty bad
//but not his fault as far as I can tell
 
2014-02-20 04:55:16 PM  

StopLurkListen: what_now: Quick check of the website tells me that...

Because the College is recognized by the Department of Education as an eligible institution, PHC families are eligible to take advantage of student loans. To take advantage of these benefits, please be sure to use the College's OPE ID number 039513-00.

This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.

I'm unfamiliar with the rules in this area. Can you elaborate?


Under Title IX you cannot discriminate against women in your school, and still take federal funding.

In the past 5-10 years this has been expanded by case law and by statute to require schools to have a sexual harassment and sexual violence prevention policy, to investigate all claims of harassment, abuse, rape, domestic violence, and stalking. Every single member of the college community* is a mandated reporter who is REQUIRED to have bring this to the Title IX coordinator of the school.

The new law- the campus SAVE act- prohibits against retaliation, which includes punishing a student for reporting a sexual assault while drinking, and the updated Violence Against Women Act includes men, women,  the LBGT community, illegal immigrants and Native Americans.

The Department of Education has been cracking down on this- Yale, Penn State, University of Montana have all taken very large fines, terrible PR and been forced to update their policies and send every single staff member to training.

By 10/1/14, every single student at an ED accredited university is REQUIRED to be given comprehensive sexual harassment and sexual assault prevention training.

A school- like this one- that farks that up is going to have their funding yanked, and the I would not be surprised to discover that the people who work at the OCR are champing at the bit to knock these knuckle dragging troglodytes dicks in the dirt.


* except medical personnel
 
2014-02-20 04:55:31 PM  

tiggis: I wonder how many women are raped at this school verses a secular school each year?


Under current law, they aren't required to report this because they don't take federal funds. Not sure how not being federally-funded gets you a license for obstruction of justice, but it's mentioned in the article.
 
2014-02-20 04:55:33 PM  
FTA :   The self-policing that courtship culture requires, however, is not egalitarian. Responsibility falls disproportionately to women, who are taught to protect their "purity" and to never "tempt" their brothers in Christ to "stumble" with immodest behavior.


That's nice way of saying, "Don't be a slut."  If you let a man use you, he will, and you'll be nothing more than another conquest.


Also FTA : "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart,"


An acceptance of the fact that we are animals who have been deeply programmed by evolution.
 
2014-02-20 04:56:26 PM  

what_now: Quick check of the website tells me that...

Because the College is recognized by the Department of Education as an eligible institution, PHC families are eligible to take advantage of student loans. To take advantage of these benefits, please be sure to use the College's OPE ID number 039513-00.

This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.


Also on their website

"In order to safeguard our distinctly Christian worldview, we do not accept or participate in government funding. We believe such financial independence to be a critical component of a Patrick Henry College education. As a result, the U.S. Department of Education (USDE) federal grant and loan programs, ROTC funds, G.I. Bill funds, and State funds, are not available to PHC students and their families. However, we are confident that our wide range of financial aid options can help bring one of the nation's finest classical, Christian liberal arts educations within the reach of students from many financial backgrounds."

Looks like they avoid federal education and civil rights compliance that way
 
2014-02-20 04:56:34 PM  

what_now: A school- like this one- that farks that up is going to have their funding yanked


According to the article, they take no federal funding at all.
 
2014-02-20 04:56:35 PM  

crab66: Boojum2k: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://www.thefire.org/  might disagree with you.

What the fark.

How is this even remotely the same thing?

Please show me a school that actually forces people to smoke pot and play ultimate frisbee to attend.


Here you go.
 
2014-02-20 04:56:48 PM  

ikanreed: scottydoesntknow: ikanreed: vudukungfu: People like this need to be purged from the land.

Are they the problem, or the system that created them?

[static.gamespot.com image 288x288]

/Purge it all

Why not both?  Seriously?  For mass murder?  I'm just pretending you're serious, and wondering if you actually think killing them all is a good way to handle the broken right wing.


I'm glad you're pretending, because I am too.

I would like for them to be shut down though. That is serious.
 
2014-02-20 04:56:49 PM  

Delawheredad: As reprehensible and twisted as this it it is, in essence, NO DIFFERENT from a major secular college protecting its male jocks from rape and molestations charges. At this school its ...but Jesus! at  a PAC 10 school its ... but TV money!


Agreed.
 
2014-02-20 04:57:05 PM  

czetie: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Fundamentally, the conservative brain is stimulated by fear and disgust, and conservative leaders control their followers by ginning up fear and disgust against outsiders. Following the rules is how you identify fellow insiders. And of course this is why conservative movements are so vulnerable to purity purges (see, for instance, RINOs).

Conversely, the liberal brain is stimulated by novelty and risk. You can no more enforce rules on liberals than you can herd cats, and this is why left wing movements are so prone to fragmentation.

tl:dr: Conservatives are Sparta. Liberals are Athens.


At university, whether the prof is a lib or con, you figure out what he or she wants to hear, and then you say that.

/oh, yes, parroting the libby lib profs is being open minded
 
2014-02-20 04:57:07 PM  
Maybe PHC is simply upholding a Biblical view of rape.

We'll have to wait and see if PHC forces the girl to marry her rapist, I guess.
 
2014-02-20 04:57:18 PM  
Strolpol:
That being said, if I had a daughter who was assaulted and the lady who worked for the college implied that it was her own fault, I don't think they'd manage to pull me off her until I'd gouged at least one eye out.

Bravo.   You pass the compassion test, I'd give you an internet--but that would inevitably ruin you.    Have a cookie instead!

/+1 cookie
 
2014-02-20 04:57:33 PM  
Didn't anybody RTFA??  The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4YAx1nqDM

It might be some kind of crime, but it's not an OMG!!! RAPIST GOES FREE event either.  Don't let your hatred of all things Christian make you lose your collective fark heads out there.
 
2014-02-20 04:58:13 PM  

czetie: what_now: This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.

Unfortunately, PHC grads are deeply entrenched within DC's power structures. Also, taking them on would set off every False Outrage Alarm that the right can muster.


Bring it.

Go ahead and tell the world that you're being picked on because you won't stop rape on your campus.
 
2014-02-20 04:58:14 PM  

CivicMindedFive: It might be some kind of crime


What's described in the article is certainly sexual assault.
 
2014-02-20 04:58:44 PM  

hardinparamedic: Ah, this must be the imaginary "rape culture" that everyone is always telling me doesn't exist, and is a creation of evil feminist nazi soldiers.


Yes, because students at scary evangelical schools regularly attend science, tech, atheist, and gaming conventions.

/Seriously, that's the only context where I hear feminists level "rape culture" accusations.
 
2014-02-20 04:58:50 PM  

Boojum2k: So Patrick Henry College gets to ignore most federal laws on sexual assault on campus because they don't take federal funds? How about we stop letting colleges pretend to do law enforcement, period. College administrators shouldn't be in the loop for any actual crime investigation.


They most certainly do.
 
2014-02-20 04:59:34 PM  
Wow. That school is thoroughly repulsive.

I cannot understand anyone who thinks that this kind of oppressive programming of their children is in any way acceptable. If your ideas are so weak that they cannot survive the light of day and you need to isolate your children to ensure the programming takes ... well, your ideas are farked.

Grow up and let your children grow up to be whole people.
 
2014-02-20 04:59:36 PM  
Fark has assured me that the real cause of rape is feminism.
 
2014-02-20 04:59:36 PM  

ikanreed: vudukungfu: People like this need to be purged from the land.

Are they the problem, or the system that created them?


No, just them.
 
2014-02-20 05:00:02 PM  
Wherever there are fundies, fun dies.
 
2014-02-20 05:00:28 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Didn't anybody RTFA??  The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4YAx1nqDM

It might be some kind of crime, but it's not an OMG!!! RAPIST GOES FREE event either.  Don't let your hatred of all things Christian make you lose your collective fark heads out there.


Oh and here comes the white knight charging in...
 
2014-02-20 05:00:34 PM  

what_now: They most certainly do.


On one hand, we have you saying that. On the other hand, we have the article, and specifics were posted in this thread.
 
2014-02-20 05:01:06 PM  

tiggis: I wonder how many women are raped at this school verses a secular school each year?


Plenty. The main difference is that they normally marry their rapist. Deuteronomy 22:28-29
 
2014-02-20 05:01:14 PM  

legion_of_doo: At university, whether the prof is a lib or con, you figure out what he or she wants to hear, and then you say that.


Bullshiat.  I argued against my polisci prof in every single paper and got pretty decent grades.  And the number of times in literature classes I was flagrantly wrong and but presented the incorrect ideas well and got good grades.

Now Math profs, there's people you better tell what they want to hear.
 
2014-02-20 05:02:10 PM  
Looks like Patrick Henry College got wind of this article being written.

The #1 comment at the bottom of the article is some d-bag implying liberal bias at the National Republic saying that they are eagerly awaiting such thorough coverage of sexual assault at liberal institutions like UCLA.

Wow.
 
2014-02-20 05:02:19 PM  
Those far-right-wingers won't be happy until the US looks like the Christian Taliban took over.
 
2014-02-20 05:02:49 PM  

ikanreed: Now Math profs, there's people you better tell what they want to hear.


"But I'm right, in base 8!"
 
2014-02-20 05:02:52 PM  

Rwa2play: CivicMindedFive: Didn't anybody RTFA??  The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4YAx1nqDM

It might be some kind of crime, but it's not an OMG!!! RAPIST GOES FREE event either.  Don't let your hatred of all things Christian make you lose your collective fark heads out there.

Oh and here comes the white knight charging in...



In chapter 37 of TFA it says he dry humped her.

Is that rape?
 
2014-02-20 05:03:04 PM  

USCLaw2010: "In order to safeguard our distinctly Christian worldview, we do not accept or participate in government funding. We believe such financial independence to be a critical component of a Patrick Henry College education. As a result, the U.S. Department of Education (USDE) federal grant and loan programs, ROTC funds, G.I. Bill funds, and State funds, are not available to PHC students and their families. However, we are confident that our wide range of financial aid options can help bring one of the nation's finest classical, Christian liberal arts educations within the reach of students from many financial backgrounds."

Looks like they avoid federal education and civil rights compliance that way


Not if they have an OPEID number- if you can write off your tuition paid on your taxes, that's federal funding. A different school tried that to avoid the ADA- cannot remember who- and got smacked down in court.
 
2014-02-20 05:03:12 PM  
That was a long read for "in the end, she joined the Rainbow Family in Florida".
 
2014-02-20 05:03:17 PM  
Many students go there with dreams of becoming a senator or the Supreme Court justice who helps overturn Roe v. Wade.

So, assholes.
 
2014-02-20 05:03:29 PM  

TomD9938: Is that rape?


It's sexual assault.
 
2014-02-20 05:03:30 PM  

cefm: Looks like Patrick Henry College got wind of this article being written.

The #1 comment at the bottom of the article is some d-bag implying liberal bias at the National Republic saying that they are eagerly awaiting such thorough coverage of sexual assault at liberal institutions like UCLA.

Wow.


Some Farker oughtta go over there and post PENN STATE, YOU DOLT!
 
2014-02-20 05:03:33 PM  
"God would have kept you conscious to bear witness to the abuse against you."

Jesus H. Motherf*ck.
 
2014-02-20 05:03:36 PM  
F*cking gross:

Listening to Sarah from across her desk, the dean was as polite as ever. But she didn't seem to believe Sarah's story at all. "If you were telling the truth about this," Sarah remembers Corbitt saying, "God would have kept you conscious to bear witness to the abuse against you."
 
2014-02-20 05:03:42 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


Peer pressure is a kind of rule.
 
2014-02-20 05:03:51 PM  

cefm: The #1 comment at the bottom of the article is some d-bag implying liberal bias at the National Republic saying that they are eagerly awaiting such thorough coverage of sexual assault at liberal institutions like UCLA.


Looks like you found Ken Cuccinelli's internet identity.
 
2014-02-20 05:04:00 PM  
 If a boy and a girl start becoming friends, before long, they'll sit down and have a "DTR"-Define The Relationship

They misspelled "DTF".
 
2014-02-20 05:05:00 PM  

CivicMindedFive: The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.


Was it unwanted sexual contact? Did she tell him to stop?

Look if a bigger guy, a stronger guy, comes up to you and rubs his dick all over you, but doesn't actually force it into your ass, will you feel violated?
 
2014-02-20 05:05:06 PM  

Boojum2k: TomD9938: Is that rape?

It's sexual assault.


Is that a "yes" or a "no"?
 
2014-02-20 05:05:20 PM  
I like to think that every time a fundie says something this stupid I that some on-the-fence fundie at least stops and thinks about it for a second.

But OTOH it's beyond me how any parents would want their kids at a school that says rape is the victim's fault. They're idiots for leaving their kids there, and their kids are idiots for staying.
 
2014-02-20 05:05:43 PM  

sendtodave: Peer pressure is a kind of rule.


"Wah, other people disagree with my opinions, how oppressive"
 
2014-02-20 05:05:44 PM  
This administrator, Sandra Corbitt, is the epitome of evil.  She's party to unspeakable deeds and the perversion of truth.

I hope she roasts in a nice hot fire of her own creation.

/Pastafarian
 
2014-02-20 05:06:14 PM  

Rwa2play: CivicMindedFive: Didn't anybody RTFA??  The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4YAx1nqDM

It might be some kind of crime, but it's not an OMG!!! RAPIST GOES FREE event either.  Don't let your hatred of all things Christian make you lose your collective fark heads out there.

Oh and here comes the white knight charging in...


Did you actually RFTA?  Guy tries to get frisky with a girl who is his friend in his car.  She is stunned and says nothing but pushes him away.  Weeks later, still friends with him, she gets into his car alone again and he does the exact same thing, and this time she says no and he stops.  Is the guy probably a douche, yes.  But it's not rape as the sumtardmitter says.
 
2014-02-20 05:06:36 PM  
This story has pretty much every reason why I hate religion.  I feel disgusting just for having read it.
 
2014-02-20 05:06:47 PM  

IlGreven: /Seriously, that's the only context where I hear feminists level "rape culture" accusations.


You should probably get your hearing checked, then. Early detection of hearing problems can prevent deafness and life-long disability. :)
 
2014-02-20 05:07:05 PM  

TomD9938: Boojum2k: TomD9938: Is that rape?

It's sexual assault.

Is that a "yes" or a "no"?


It's a crime, and should be handled by law enforcement and a DA, not a college administrator who wants to keep alumni cash coming in and stop bad news from going out.
 
2014-02-20 05:07:22 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?
 
2014-02-20 05:08:25 PM  
TomD9938:
Also FTA : "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart,"

An acceptance of the fact that we are animals who have been deeply programmed by evolution.



Um, I'm pretty sure the folks at this fine institution very much do NOT accept this premise.  At all.
 
2014-02-20 05:09:41 PM  
So, basically, god's harvard is worse than a community college.
 
2014-02-20 05:10:28 PM  

King Something: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?


Sure, you can certainly come up with a pastiche of one, like environmental prohibitions, secularism, and the like.
 
2014-02-20 05:10:36 PM  
Any of you rape enablers want to white knight this behavior?

another young woman who spoke on the condition of anonymity says she made a sexual-harassment report to Corbitt. A male student was sending threatening messages, including an e-mail that conveyed that "he wanted to forcibly take my virginity," she says. When she met with Corbitt to show her the e-mail, the student remembers the dean saying, "The choices you make and the people you choose to associate with, the way you try to portray yourself, will affect how people treat you." In subsequent meetings, the student says Corbitt told her to think about her clothing and "the kinds of ideas it puts in men's minds."
 
2014-02-20 05:10:47 PM  
Pro tip for the ladies: If you don't like misogyny, don't go to a fundie school.
 
2014-02-20 05:11:51 PM  

what_now: Any of you rape enablers want to white knight this behavior?

another young woman who spoke on the condition of anonymity says she made a sexual-harassment report to Corbitt. A male student was sending threatening messages, including an e-mail that conveyed that "he wanted to forcibly take my virginity," she says. When she met with Corbitt to show her the e-mail, the student remembers the dean saying, "The choices you make and the people you choose to associate with, the way you try to portray yourself, will affect how people treat you." In subsequent meetings, the student says Corbitt told her to think about her clothing and "the kinds of ideas it puts in men's minds."


Considering the way MRAs have absconded with the term "white knight" almost expected you to be defending the school.  I'm glad you weren't.
 
2014-02-20 05:12:40 PM  

ikanreed: almost expected you to be defending the school.


I am a title IX coordinator. I don't condone campus sexual assault.
 
2014-02-20 05:13:02 PM  

Boojum2k: CivicMindedFive: It might be some kind of crime

What's described in the article is certainly sexual assault.


Claire's thing was probable sexual assault, but the problem is that by her own admission she let the guy do it the first time and didn't say anything.  While you or I would know that's bad and you don't do that to women without asking, keep in mind that the guy is just as broken as anybody else who goes to that school.  It's quite possible he just figured that's what you do with women, took his shot, and when she didn't say anything he figured he was in the clear, especially because by her own account she tried to pass things off as normal.  Second time rolls around, he figures it worked so well the last time why not this time, but now she freaks out and tells him to stop.  Here's the important part: he stopped.  I'm not saying it wasn't traumatizing for her, but to me it sounds like this was a crude attempt by a sexually repressed, likely embarrassed kid at having sexytimes with a real female woman, and had the misfortune to try it on someone whose reaction to rape terror was to repress and deny instead of saying "stop, I don't like that."  If you want to blame anyone, blame the parents of both kids who farked up their children so badly that this ever happened.

The crap with that other girl and "Ryan" is blatant rape though and the university clearly tried to blame the victim.  There's plenty of reasons this place needs to get sued into the ground, I'm just not ready to fire up the torches and go after "John".
 
2014-02-20 05:14:19 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Rwa2play: CivicMindedFive: Didn't anybody RTFA??  The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4YAx1nqDM

It might be some kind of crime, but it's not an OMG!!! RAPIST GOES FREE event either.  Don't let your hatred of all things Christian make you lose your collective fark heads out there.

Oh and here comes the white knight charging in...

Did you actually RFTA?  Guy tries to get frisky with a girl who is his friend in his car.  She is stunned and says nothing but pushes him away.  Weeks later, still friends with him, she gets into his car alone again and he does the exact same thing, and this time she says no and he stops.  Is the guy probably a douche, yes.  But it's not rape as the sumtardmitter says.


I think it qualifies as assault or attempted rape, not rape.
 
2014-02-20 05:17:18 PM  

baronbloodbath: This administrator, Sandra Corbitt, is the epitome of evil.  She's party to unspeakable deeds and the perversion of truth.

I hope she roasts in a nice hot fire of her own creation.


THIS! The stories in TFA all seem to have one horrible person in common.
 
2014-02-20 05:19:34 PM  

ikanreed: sendtodave: Peer pressure is a kind of rule.

"Wah, other people disagree with my opinions, how oppressive"


Yeah, that's how peer pressure works.  Something like that.
 
2014-02-20 05:25:52 PM  
"If you were telling the truth about this," Sarah remembers Corbitt saying, "God would have kept you conscious to bear witness to the abuse against you."

WTF?!

It gets worse. The guy agreed that he did everything she accused him of doing. He just claimed he thought it was consensual. Both of them got the same penalty: a "growth contract", ie. counseling sessions.

Sadly it appears this girl never has gotten out of the abusive situation that is fundamentalism. She dropped out of the school, but she went on to marry a graduate.
 
2014-02-20 05:27:16 PM  

mcreadyblue: I think it qualifies as assault or attempted rape


No it farking doesn't.
 
2014-02-20 05:28:09 PM  

ikanreed: scottydoesntknow: ikanreed: vudukungfu: People like this need to be purged from the land.

Are they the problem, or the system that created them?

[static.gamespot.com image 288x288]

/Purge it all

Why not both?  Seriously?  For mass murder?  I'm just pretending you're serious, and wondering if you actually think killing them all is a good way to handle the broken right wing.


50 million uneducated savages died for us to secure this great country. I mean it's practically a tradition now.
 
2014-02-20 05:28:17 PM  

King Something: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?


We don't have a doctrine.  We just have a secret handshake and a theme song.
 
2014-02-20 05:29:36 PM  

Boojum2k: TomD9938: Boojum2k: TomD9938: Is that rape?

It's sexual assault.

Is that a "yes" or a "no"?

It's a crime, and should be handled by law enforcement and a DA, not a college administrator who wants to keep alumni cash coming in and stop bad news from going out.



So, "no", it wasn't a rape as subby implied.
 
2014-02-20 05:29:40 PM  
Can they have slaves?
 
2014-02-20 05:31:03 PM  

ArkPanda: Pick13: FTFA: This, however, was Patrick Henry College (PHC), the elite evangelical school better known as "God's Harvard."

Who the hell ever said that with a straight face

There's plenty of respectable religious-affiliated schools around.  Georgetown is the first one that comes to mind.


Georgetown was founded  in 1789 and they wouldn't put up with this bullShait. This 14 year old school can go fark them self

Georgetown does have a bunch of harlots

static2.businessinsider.com
 
2014-02-20 05:38:06 PM  
One thing I've never understood, is why do people who are assaulted on college campuses never call real cops? They always treat the campus as if it's sovereign territory or something. It's not, it's just a farking college campus, the campus "police" are rent-a-cops, the dean and student body president have no legal authority to handle a criminal investigation. Yet time after time, I hear about some woman who's raped on a campus, and allows the school do its own form of pretend justice, which it invariably farks up.

So yeah, any woman who's raped on a college campus, don't tell the rent-a-cops, don't go to your RA, call 911.
 
2014-02-20 05:41:42 PM  

toraque: King Something: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?

We don't have a doctrine.  We just have a secret handshake and a theme song.


Well, and the handbook. I mean, Manifesto. Plus all of our secret gay turtle spouses.
 
2014-02-20 05:42:22 PM  

legion_of_doo: czetie: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Fundamentally, the conservative brain is stimulated by fear and disgust, and conservative leaders control their followers by ginning up fear and disgust against outsiders. Following the rules is how you identify fellow insiders. And of course this is why conservative movements are so vulnerable to purity purges (see, for instance, RINOs).

Conversely, the liberal brain is stimulated by novelty and risk. You can no more enforce rules on liberals than you can herd cats, and this is why left wing movements are so prone to fragmentation.

tl:dr: Conservatives are Sparta. Liberals are Athens.

At university, whether the prof is a lib or con, you figure out what he or she wants to hear, and then you say that.

/oh, yes, parroting the libby lib profs is being open minded


I have no idea why you think that is in any way a response to what I wrote. Or indeed an intelligent contribution of any kind.
 
2014-02-20 05:42:42 PM  

Strolpol: I think the worst part is that by and large, these students are too sheltered to know any better regarding their rights. Their parents raise them in bubbles of religious rhetoric and hand them off to a college that they pay to do the same thing.


Which is just one of the reasons we should stop pretending that "parental rights" trump the actual rights of the citizens they birthed.

I'm not a fan of public schools; I think they're broken in a lot of ways, actually harmful in some, and mostly huge waste of everyone's time. But they do reduce child abuse and ensure that children are aware that their parents are not the ultimate authority -- I strongly believe parents should be required to provide frequent public socialization (i.e. church doesn't count) and certified legal education (i.e. church doesn't count) for their children regardless of other educational choices.
 
2014-02-20 05:44:37 PM  
So, is this going to be a "Christian bashing" thread, or a "women-who-make-false-rape-allegations bashing" thread?  I need to know who to direct my selective outrage toward.
 
2014-02-20 05:46:16 PM  
I wouldn't be sad if somebody were to burn the hellhole that is PHC to the ground. Evacuate everybody except Corbitt.
 
2014-02-20 05:47:37 PM  
I'm not ready to tar and feather, but there are a lot of issues at play here:

First off, I without numbers I'd be hard pressed to say that college has a problem - and I remember my college in the 70's trying really hard not to have any on campus rapes - it's bad for recruiting and I did not go to a jock school with lots of steroid apes running around going batshiat.

However, I can see the parents and students issues, since they claim to be such a pure school, any failures by students, etc. must be more serious than what happens at 'Public' colleges, particuarly when they agree not to have sex without parental permission [what a hoot!].

Expecting the impossible, I say.

"Boys, and Girls and Music!  Why do they need Gin?"

/obscure?
 
2014-02-20 05:52:03 PM  
czetie:

tl:dr: Conservatives are SpartaMordor. Liberals are Athens.

FTFY
 
2014-02-20 05:59:22 PM  

Magorn: I drive by this place a lot as it is in the next town over from me, and I sear I never drive by without feeling a creepy shudder down my spine,  there is something   wrong about that place that is totally at odds with the fairly beautiful campus buildings that face the roads.  Part of it is I never actually see any people on campus...walking to class, hanging out on the quad, etc...


That reminds me of working in downtown clearwater, florida a while back. , the scientologist mecca. They would march their followers around from building to building with handlers. The wierdest thing was the a line of them at the Bankof America ATM taking out cash and handing it to their handlers.
 
2014-02-20 05:59:31 PM  

Mouser: So, is this going to be a "Christian bashing" thread, or a "women-who-make-false-rape-allegations bashing" thread?  I need to know who to direct my selective outrage toward.


thats eazy all threads are christian bashing threads here at the atheist church, wat i wanna know is why its been 10 seconds since we've had 10-20 ghey threads, im starting to go through withdraw

/ow my ballz
 
2014-02-20 05:59:34 PM  
as long as it wasn't rape rape
 
2014-02-20 06:01:39 PM  
What a harlot might look like..

www.naa.gov.au
 
2014-02-20 06:03:32 PM  

LectertheChef: One thing I've never understood, is why do people who are assaulted on college campuses never call real cops? They always treat the campus as if it's sovereign territory or something. It's not, it's just a farking college campus, the campus "police" are rent-a-cops, the dean and student body president have no legal authority to handle a criminal investigation. Yet time after time, I hear about some woman who's raped on a campus, and allows the school do its own form of pretend justice, which it invariably farks up.

So yeah, any woman who's raped on a college campus, don't tell the rent-a-cops, don't go to your RA, call 911.


If it is a state university anywhere I've ever lived, the campus cops -are- real cops. State cops, in fact.
Now at a small private school, yeah, they're rent-a-cops.

/The belief that the University PD is a bunch of mall cops always leads to some hilarity
//What you gonna do about it, you farking rent-a-cop?
///Why are you taking me to real jail?
 
2014-02-20 06:03:50 PM  
I went to Pasadena City College, which is often known as "Buddha's L.A. Trade Tech", so I'm getting a kick.....
 
2014-02-20 06:03:58 PM  
I wish I could say I was surprised to hear that rape was an issue on religious conservative campuses but....given their ideology and theology I can't say i'm shocked.  you tell guys that they're chosen of the lord almighty and that they're part of the elect few to be saved, well that's gonna start doing some rather strange things to their worldview.  Then teach women that they're job is to be submissive to a dominant male figure and that they shouldn't have sexy time till they're good and married....it starts setting up sexual tension like nobody's bidness.
 
2014-02-20 06:06:12 PM  
YoureNotHelping.jpg

Christanity's biggest problem right now is that people associate it with people like him, the loudest voices in the room.
 
2014-02-20 06:08:35 PM  

techgeek07: So, basically, god's harvard is worse than a community college.


It looks like God's Harvard is worse than a Chicago public school.
 
2014-02-20 06:09:15 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


I'm sure there are a lot of schools with a campus code of conduct that forbids harassing anyone on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation, and bans the use of all manner of slurs.  Wouldn't that qualify as requiring students to "obey liberal doctrine"?
 
2014-02-20 06:09:20 PM  
Calm down, people.  All they're saying is, if she didn't want to get raped, she wouldn't have been born with a rape-hole.  According to them, it says so in that book they like.  That's all.
 
2014-02-20 06:09:29 PM  
That's what you get when you follow the god of a Syrian goat-herder and an Egyptian half-prince.
 
2014-02-20 06:12:58 PM  

Superjew: mcreadyblue: I think it qualifies as assault or attempted rape

No it farking doesn't.


Penitration?
 
2014-02-20 06:13:57 PM  

browntimmy: Is there another link somewhere that contains a news story rather than something that reads like a chapter from someone's book?


This article is about a number of incidents that have happened over a period of years, so a "news story" style would be inappropriate.  By their very nature, and the upbringing of the victims, I doubt any of these incidents ever made it into any sort of "news".
 
2014-02-20 06:14:59 PM  
HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS CRAP DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE PEOPLE TREAT RELIGION WITH THE SCORN IT DESERVES?!
 
2014-02-20 06:15:11 PM  

error 303: Here you go.


So you got nothin'.
 
2014-02-20 06:16:25 PM  
Give me liberty and give me breasts!
 
2014-02-20 06:20:54 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: "Your sins are the only interesting thing about you boring f**ks" --Doug Stanhope


+1 on the DS ref.
 
2014-02-20 06:23:02 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
 
2014-02-20 06:23:10 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS CRAP DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE PEOPLE TREAT RELIGION WITH THE SCORN IT DESERVES?!


Because all religious folks are just like these fundy nutjobs.
 
2014-02-20 06:26:19 PM  

Nick Nostril: Agent Smiths Laugh: HOW MUCH MORE OF THIS CRAP DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE PEOPLE TREAT RELIGION WITH THE SCORN IT DESERVES?!

Because all religious folks are just like these fundy nutjobs.


You're starting to learn.
 
2014-02-20 06:26:55 PM  

This text is now purple: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism


Are you honestly posting that as an example of a liberal school?
 
2014-02-20 06:29:49 PM  

Tigger: This text is now purple: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

Are you honestly posting that as an example of a liberal school?


Was it a state-executed orthodoxy which forcibly applied a doctrine which would be considered liberal relative to American politics?

Then yes, yes I am.
 
2014-02-20 06:29:53 PM  

qorkfiend: toraque: King Something: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

Is there even a "liberal doctrine?" A set of rules written in stone by which liberals must abide at all times?

The only rules I can think of that would be on such a tablet are "do no harm" and "be excellent to each other" -- wouldn't most other rules be superfluous anyway?

We don't have a doctrine.  We just have a secret handshake and a theme song.

Well, and the handbook. I mean, Manifesto. Plus all of our secret gay turtle spouses.


And don't forget the secret decoder ring. What? You didn't get one.


// Oh , my bad. Forget I mentioned it
 
2014-02-20 06:30:00 PM  
ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism;



A Soviet school that closed in the 60s. Really? That's all you have got.
 
2014-02-20 06:33:11 PM  

flondrix: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

I'm sure there are a lot of schools with a campus code of conduct that forbids harassing anyone on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation, and bans the use of all manner of slurs.  Wouldn't that qualify as requiring students to "obey liberal doctrine"?


Liberal campus doctrine deals mostly with speech.
You can't say anything that would hurt someones feelings.


// And whatever you do , don't mention that you think abortion is bad
 
2014-02-20 06:33:30 PM  

crab66: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism;

A Soviet school that closed in the 60s. Really? That's all you have got.


Executions for heresy are about as solid as you can get. Liberal orthodoxy isn't any friendlier than conservative orthodoxy.
 
2014-02-20 06:38:29 PM  
Does anyone really think that Patrick Henry would have so much as spat upon these people?
Everything i know about the man indicates to me that he would have detested them.
 
2014-02-20 06:42:48 PM  

LectertheChef: One thing I've never understood, is why do people who are assaulted on college campuses never call real cops? They always treat the campus as if it's sovereign territory or something. It's not, it's just a farking college campus, the campus "police" are rent-a-cops, the dean and student body president have no legal authority to handle a criminal investigation. Yet time after time, I hear about some woman who's raped on a campus, and allows the school do its own form of pretend justice, which it invariably farks up.


Look at how crimes are reported in grade school.  When a bully corners you in the hall and punches you in the eye, do you call the police or do you notify the principal's office?  To me, it seems as if we're taught that while in school, you go through administrators.  Seems to carry over to university.


/wonders how the police would respond to a child calling them from an elementary school to report an assault without involvement from school administrators
 
2014-02-20 06:43:22 PM  
FTFAThe self-policing that courtship culture requires, however, is not egalitarian. Responsibility falls disproportionately to women, who are taught to protect their "purity" and to never "tempt" their brothers in Christ to "stumble" with immodest behavior. "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart," the journalist Kathryn Joyce wrote in Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement. These movements, she noted, see "women's bodies as almost supernaturally perverse and corrupting."

But Shari'a law is evil and must be banned.
 
2014-02-20 06:43:29 PM  

TomD9938: Boojum2k: TomD9938: Boojum2k: TomD9938: Is that rape?

It's sexual assault.

Is that a "yes" or a "no"?

It's a crime, and should be handled by law enforcement and a DA, not a college administrator who wants to keep alumni cash coming in and stop bad news from going out.


So, "no", it wasn't a rape as subby implied.


Legal or common/vernacular definition?  By the legal definition, no it wasn't rape.  But most people when discussing sexual crimes, use the term "rape" whether it is a penetrative act involving the genitals or sexual assault.

So i guess....

swtor.gamingfeeds.com
 
2014-02-20 06:49:12 PM  
Which is it?
-Her fault for being a whore
-God's Will
 
2014-02-20 06:51:01 PM  
Using the logic applied by the school's administrators: if one of the rape victims were to, say, firebomb the administration building, and the building burned to the ground, that would be evidence of the school's wrongdoing, right?
 
2014-02-20 06:52:33 PM  

This text is now purple: crab66: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism;

A Soviet school that closed in the 60s. Really? That's all you have got.

Executions for heresy are about as solid as you can get. Liberal orthodoxy isn't any friendlier than conservative orthodoxy.


I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.
 
2014-02-20 06:52:39 PM  
-Executions for heresy are about as solid as you can get. Liberal orthodoxy isn't any friendlier than conservative orthodoxy.

Great. You have shown that authoritarians are authoritarians whether they are left or right. Thanks for the 5th grade education.

Now show me something that is actually relevant to the conversation.
 
2014-02-20 06:52:51 PM  
imageshack.com
 
2014-02-20 06:56:29 PM  

Nick Nostril: Because all religious folks are just like these fundy nutjobs.


You're right, they're not.

But one problem that I see is that more mainstream denominations aren't calling the evangelical right out for being un-Christian.  There seems to be a great deal of apathy towards the actions of the evangelical right by the moderates.  It reminds me of the question as to if a good cop is really good if they turn a blind eye to the activities of a bad cop.  Same deal here.

If more people stood up and denounced the evangelical right as Christian charlatans, it might help to bring Christ back into American Christianity.
 
2014-02-20 06:57:53 PM  

Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.


Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.
 
2014-02-20 07:02:14 PM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


You'll obey if you want to pass.  I've heard too many stories.

It's the same thing in the workplace nowadays.  Take a course in "sensitivity training" (as if people aren't too sensitive as it is), think the right thoughts, or get fired.
 
2014-02-20 07:03:43 PM  

dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.


Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes
 
2014-02-20 07:08:44 PM  

Burning_Monk: dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.

Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes


Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.
 
2014-02-20 07:11:33 PM  
So, from what I'm reading in this thread, it sounds like:

Liberal Doctrine: Don't be an asshole to other people.

Conservative Doctrine: Be a selfish asshole.
 
2014-02-20 07:17:33 PM  

FnkyTwn: Which is it?
-Her fault for being a whore
-God's Will




Both
 
2014-02-20 07:17:37 PM  

dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.

Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes

Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.


You are wrong about the history of the word Liberal (no surprise), but also considering we are talking about Stalin's era it shouldn't matter.
 
2014-02-20 07:21:18 PM  
I know a lot of PHC graduates, people who know every person mentioned in the piece, that place is every bit as bad as you think. And they've got most of their current students so brainwashed that they are convinced that every alumni who speaks out is just disgruntled because they were bad kids who wouldn't follow the rules and are lying about everything. Meanwhile, since prospective students are mostly homeschoolers whose parents are supporters of the Home School Legal Defense Association, which was started by Michael Farris, the same guy who started PHC, they're convinced that Farris is this hero to homeschooling who can do no wrong and anyone who criticizes must be trying to destroy homeschooling, because that's what Farris has been spending the last 30 years claiming.

There are currently current PHC students on Twitter calling for the school to sue the victims for speaking out because they're convinced that the women speaking out are lying. They've been so brainwashed they can't consider the possibility that it happened.

Oh, bonus, they aren't really accredited, not by a legit agency. Their accreditation is by TRACS, an agency started by the Institution for Creation Research to provide accreditation for schools that can't get it because they refuse to teach real science. It's next to impossible for students to leave the school without losing their credits because hardly any institution will accept them because it's a fake accreditation. They either have to stick it out or start over from scratch.

They also have a hard time getting into any graduate programs other than law school, which cares more about LSAT scores than anything. And the thing is, because they're so focused on getting kids into law school, PHC grads are at the top schools in the country (they've got several grads at Harvard, one of my sane PHC friends is at Georgetown), mostly preparing to use those degrees to remake the country in a right wing vision.
 
2014-02-20 07:24:40 PM  

dfenstrate: 'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.


So who's going to be personally responsible for dumping poison into the Elk River?  Or coal ash into the Dan River?  As long as your answer is "nobody, they're Job Creators® after all", you can STFU about personal responsibility.

And as long as you elect philandering embezzlers to Congress because NANCY PELOSI OOGA BOOGA BOOGA!, you can also STFU about sexual permissiveness.
 
2014-02-20 07:25:02 PM  

Twist2005: Later I heard him muttering about how high school girls shouldn't be talking about sex.


Sounds like some administrators don't want them talking about sex, either.  Just keep their whore mouths shut.
 
2014-02-20 07:26:58 PM  
First BJU, now Patrick Henry. Why are these places still open?
 
2014-02-20 07:27:59 PM  
dfenstrate:  Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.


I see we have a PHC alumni among us.
 
2014-02-20 07:41:31 PM  

patrick767: "If you were telling the truth about this," Sarah remembers Corbitt saying, "God would have kept you conscious to bear witness to the abuse against you."

WTF?!

It gets worse. The guy agreed that he did everything she accused him of doing. He just claimed he thought it was consensual. Both of them got the same penalty: a "growth contract", ie. counseling sessions.

Sadly it appears this girl never has gotten out of the abusive situation that is fundamentalism. She dropped out of the school, but she went on to marry a graduate.


There is a segment of the PHC community that sees through the bullshiat (it's what happens when you teach kids to think, some of them will question your dogma), she and her husband are part of that segment.

One thing you can't assume with stories like these is that everyone leaves the school toeing the party line. I don't know if this is true of them, but for a good number of kids, PHC has a massive amount of freedom compared to the controlling environments they grew up in, and serves as a stepping stone out of fundamentalism as a result. Once you start questioning, you don't stop.
 
2014-02-20 07:45:48 PM  

brap: That's weird as Patrick Henry was a bartender and home-brew enthusiast.

No word on whether or not he was a rapist.

Give me libations or give me death!


You are referencing a common misinterpretation. Mr. Henry actually home-brewed non-alcoholic grape juice.
 
2014-02-20 07:52:27 PM  
I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?
 
2014-02-20 07:55:02 PM  
FTA: Officials from Patrick Henry College declined interview requests.. because the article was so looooong and rambling that nobody could get through everything to answer the damn questions. They also demanded Essay-style answers to their questions.
 
2014-02-20 07:55:22 PM  

patrick767: Pro tip for the ladies: If you don't like misogyny, don't go to a fundie school.


I suspect that the majority of girls who go to this school are given no other alternative. There are very few 'real' colleges who accept homeschooled students with no testing accreditation, and fundie parents who have a very narrow definition of where they will allow their precious little hymen to attend.
 
2014-02-20 08:21:50 PM  

Huggermugger: patrick767: Pro tip for the ladies: If you don't like misogyny, don't go to a fundie school.

I suspect that the majority of girls who go to this school are given no other alternative. There are very few 'real' colleges who accept homeschooled students with no testing accreditation, and fundie parents who have a very narrow definition of where they will allow their precious little hymen to attend.


 It's actually really easy to get into real schools as a homeschooled student, has been since at least the late '90s. I was homeschooled and did the expensive private liberal arts school thing, most of my friends went to state schools with no issues. If the parents are doing what they're supposed to, it's easy.

The problem is that parents refuse to let their kids go to other schools and because they control the documentation, if they don't want you to go elsewhere you're screwed. It's actually a pretty significant problem--parents refusing to give their daughters any academic documentation, or, if the girls manage that somehow (I know people who forged transcripts and diplomas because their parents refused because girls), then they refuse to sign the FAFSA so that they can get aid. I also know of at least one case where the parents signed the FAFSA but provided fraudulent information to keep their daughter from being eligible for aid, and at the time she was too scared of her parents and too ignorant of the law to report them.

Even getting their parents to agree to PHC is a fight for some of these girls. I personally know of several whose parents hung the threat of refusing to let them go over their heads as a means of absolute control.
 
2014-02-20 08:46:37 PM  
FTFA: The dean insisted that she take a psychological evaluation, then called her back to the Office of Student Life, got her parents on speakerphone, and made her tell them about the assault. When she choked up, the student says, Corbitt cut in to finish the job. Then the dean informed her parents that she was unfit for PHC and needed to be retrieved immediately. Her father flew out the following day and whisked her away, says the student.

This, to me, is the most disturbing part of this article. That a father could come and remove his daughter from that place is great; that he could do so without raising hell from one end of that administration to the other is shocking to me (the father of three daughters). Considering as how the tale of his daughter's assault was related to him over the phone, it seems like he'd have shown up with the cops (or a baseball bat) and ensured that someone took his daughter's rape seriously enough to at least perform a proper investigation.
 
2014-02-20 08:56:40 PM  

geek_mars: FTFA: The dean insisted that she take a psychological evaluation, then called her back to the Office of Student Life, got her parents on speakerphone, and made her tell them about the assault. When she choked up, the student says, Corbitt cut in to finish the job. Then the dean informed her parents that she was unfit for PHC and needed to be retrieved immediately. Her father flew out the following day and whisked her away, says the student.

This, to me, is the most disturbing part of this article. That a father could come and remove his daughter from that place is great; that he could do so without raising hell from one end of that administration to the other is shocking to me (the father of three daughters). Considering as how the tale of his daughter's assault was related to him over the phone, it seems like he'd have shown up with the cops (or a baseball bat) and ensured that someone took his daughter's rape seriously enough to at least perform a proper investigation.


Odds are good that the father didn't come and get her because the school was farked up and it was an environment you should get the hell out of, but because the school was basically forcing her out. And because of the victim-blaming in that world, she may very well have gotten blamed by her family for being "immodest" or for causing a man to stumble.
 
2014-02-20 09:00:07 PM  
The sad thing is, what happened to those girls is all that different from what happens at other colleges, just replace religious zealot with athletic department.
 
2014-02-20 09:03:05 PM  

laughin: what happened to those girls is all that different from what happens at other colleges, just replace religious zealot with fraternity brothers.


FTFY, lot of the Joe McRapey types aren't in the athletic department, although many are. But they do tend to be members of a frat.
 
2014-02-20 09:05:26 PM  
And if they have there way. These are the people who will be running the government in a few years.
Sleep tight.
 
2014-02-20 09:10:10 PM  

profplump: Strolpol: I think the worst part is that by and large, these students are too sheltered to know any better regarding their rights. Their parents raise them in bubbles of religious rhetoric and hand them off to a college that they pay to do the same thing.

Which is just one of the reasons we should stop pretending that "parental rights" trump the actual rights of the citizens they birthed.

I'm not a fan of public schools; I think they're broken in a lot of ways, actually harmful in some, and mostly huge waste of everyone's time. But they do reduce child abuse and ensure that children are aware that their parents are not the ultimate authority -- I strongly believe parents should be required to provide frequent public socialization (i.e. church doesn't count) and certified legal education (i.e. church doesn't count) for their children regardless of other educational choices.


Yeah, that idea works really great until you live in a shiathole.

 Then good luck keeping your kids away from gangs and drugs.

/there isn't going to be a one-size-fits-all solution to stuff like this.
 
2014-02-20 09:20:36 PM  

what_now: StopLurkListen: what_now: Quick check of the website tells me that...

Because the College is recognized by the Department of Education as an eligible institution, PHC families are eligible to take advantage of student loans. To take advantage of these benefits, please be sure to use the College's OPE ID number 039513-00.

This school is utterly farked. Have fun with the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.

I'm unfamiliar with the rules in this area. Can you elaborate?

Under Title IX you cannot discriminate against women in your school, and still take federal funding.

In the past 5-10 years this has been expanded by case law and by statute to require schools to have a sexual harassment and sexual violence prevention policy, to investigate all claims of harassment, abuse, rape, domestic violence, and stalking. Every single member of the college community* is a mandated reporter who is REQUIRED to have bring this to the Title IX coordinator of the school.

The new law- the campus SAVE act- prohibits against retaliation, which includes punishing a student for reporting a sexual assault while drinking, and the updated Violence Against Women Act includes men, women,  the LBGT community, illegal immigrants and Native Americans.

The Department of Education has been cracking down on this- Yale, Penn State, University of Montana have all taken very large fines, terrible PR and been forced to update their policies and send every single staff member to training.

By 10/1/14, every single student at an ED accredited university is REQUIRED to be given comprehensive sexual harassment and sexual assault prevention training.

A school- like this one- that farks that up is going to have their funding yanked, and the I would not be surprised to discover that the people who work at the OCR are champing at the bit to knock these knuckle dragging troglodytes dicks in the dirt.


* except medical personnel


1) thanks for all the info
2) brainwashing is a terrible thing. why isnt the first thing that she did, when she got her shiat together, was call the police. BECAUSE GOD WOULD PUNISH HER. ..... sigh

I cant imagine being a human, helping someone who had JUST been attacked and not offering and calling the police for them. PERIOD. 

My first thought? OMG ARE YOU OK? We are going to the hospital. And then take them there and sit with them as long as they needed.

My second thought would be, please can we call the police?

/yes, I know. These are all her decisions. Yes, I know that trauma itself is a gigantic hurdle.
/WHAT KIND OF AN ANIMAL ............. nvm ... nvm ... I hate these people so very much.
 
2014-02-20 09:31:03 PM  

TomD9938: FTA :   The self-policing that courtship culture requires, however, is not egalitarian. Responsibility falls disproportionately to women, who are taught to protect their "purity" and to never "tempt" their brothers in Christ to "stumble" with immodest behavior.


That's nice way of saying, "Don't be a slut."  If you let a man use you, he will, and you'll be nothing more than another conquest.


Also FTA : "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart,"


An acceptance of the fact that we are animals who have been deeply programmed by evolution.


Agreed. Studies of ourselves and other great apes have shown lying, cheating, stealing, raping and killing are built-in to our species, among many other traits. But the whole point of civilization is a group agreeing to discourage certain behaviors and encourage others.

But I can't understand the PHC morality. It's illogical. IF one accepts what their morality claims women are, then shouldn't rape of a virgin be theft of a valuable "piece" of the girl's father's property? Seems like PHC would check the girl's hymen, and if it isn't there the accused male gets fined 30 pieces of silver, or something. Doesn't matter if it was consensual. She's damaged goods, and in a free market, someone must pay!

I guess Old Testament rules just aren't good enough for PHC.

To be safe they'd need to inspect all incoming freshman hymens during Orientation. That's going to be a popular job.

/sarcasm
 
2014-02-20 09:32:21 PM  

beezeltown: That was a long read for "in the end, she joined the Rainbow Family in Florida".


Living with hippies would be pretty irritating, but living with Christian Fundamentalists would be a lot worse ( at least for me)
 
2014-02-20 09:48:38 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: beezeltown: That was a long read for "in the end, she joined the Rainbow Family in Florida".

Living with hippies would be pretty irritating, but living with Christian Fundamentalists would be a lot worse ( at least for me)


I concur.
 
2014-02-20 09:49:52 PM  

davidhyde: I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?


Some vets are jackasses who - just like when they were serving - ruin things for everyone else. They convince the school's financial department somehow that the G.I. Bill is directly dispensed to them, and then they pay the school. So the school files the paperwork and the student gets paid for going to the school, and the school never gets paid.
Enough jackasses do it and the school refuses the G.I.Bill.
The good news is that this mostly only happens in schools that suck anyway. The others do the sensible thing and get someone who knows how veteran's benefits work.
There is no requirement that the school accept it, and in fact the VA can refuse to approve it for a particular school.
 
2014-02-20 10:00:52 PM  
davidhyde: I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?

Some vets are jackasses who - just like when they were serving - ruin things for everyone else. They convince the school's financial department somehow that the G.I. Bill is directly dispensed to them, and then they pay the school. So the school files the paperwork and the student gets paid for going to the school, and the school never gets paid.
Enough jackasses do it and the school refuses the G.I.Bill.
The good news is that this mostly only happens in schools that suck anyway. The others do the sensible thing and get someone who knows how veteran's benefits work.
There is no requirement that the school accept it, and in fact the VA can refuse to approve it for a particular school.

Thanks.
 
2014-02-20 10:01:58 PM  

rynthetyn: geek_mars: FTFA: The dean insisted that she take a psychological evaluation, then called her back to the Office of Student Life, got her parents on speakerphone, and made her tell them about the assault. When she choked up, the student says, Corbitt cut in to finish the job. Then the dean informed her parents that she was unfit for PHC and needed to be retrieved immediately. Her father flew out the following day and whisked her away, says the student.

This, to me, is the most disturbing part of this article. That a father could come and remove his daughter from that place is great; that he could do so without raising hell from one end of that administration to the other is shocking to me (the father of three daughters). Considering as how the tale of his daughter's assault was related to him over the phone, it seems like he'd have shown up with the cops (or a baseball bat) and ensured that someone took his daughter's rape seriously enough to at least perform a proper investigation.

Odds are good that the father didn't come and get her because the school was farked up and it was an environment you should get the hell out of, but because the school was basically forcing her out. And because of the victim-blaming in that world, she may very well have gotten blamed by her family for being "immodest" or for causing a man to stumble.


Oh, I get that. I just still find it both disturbing and disgusting.
 
2014-02-20 10:26:49 PM  

TomD9938: FTA :   The self-policing that courtship culture requires, however, is not egalitarian. Responsibility falls disproportionately to women, who are taught to protect their "purity" and to never "tempt" their brothers in Christ to "stumble" with immodest behavior.


That's nice way of saying, "Don't be a slut."  If you let a man use you, he will, and you'll be nothing more than another conquest.


Also FTA : "The lack of men's responsibility or culpability for their own actions and the acceptance of male 'urges' as irresistible forces of nature is the understructure of Christian modesty movements and their secular counterpart,"


An acceptance of the fact that we are animals who have been deeply programmed by evolution.


Apparently, Tommy likes rape. Also, people who are murdered ask for it by putting themselves into situations wherein they expect to not be murdered. Killing is, after all, a deeply ingrained instinct in all animals. Life feeds on life, and rape is just bros being bros. Sorry ladies.
 
2014-02-20 10:38:13 PM  

Miss Alexandra: You'll obey if you want to pass.  I've heard too many stories.


Let's be more specific.Where exactly are these alleged liberal Universities?'Cause it wouldn't take me too much thought to come up with a farkload of Conservative Christian Colleges, and the only LIberal counterpart I can think of is Reed College.  And even they don't ignore the bits of science that don't fit they're world view.

Maybe UC Santa Cruz 30 years ago, now that think about it.But that's about it.
 
2014-02-20 11:51:05 PM  

davidhyde: I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?


If they accept GI Bill money, then they're subject to Fed regulations, which they don't want. And as much as it pains me to say it, they're free to accept (or not) the money. Nearly every univ/college already is on the federal teat for money (grants, loans, whatever), so GI Bill is just one more to suck on. But, if a college wants to not be subject to the Feds, then they have to reject GI Bill money.
 
2014-02-21 12:21:19 AM  

DubyaHater: tl; dr..... Fundie school, operating under a thin veneer of moral superiority, blames the woman for enticing men to commit sexual crimes. Like this is a surprise to anyone.


They had a few drinks and he dry humped her in the car for a minute.
 
2014-02-21 12:31:41 AM  

UrukHaiGuyz: gnosis301: Stop it, you guys are freaking me out.

At night they say you can see shadows behind the walls and plumes of ghostly smoke rising from the roots of the trees. If you stop for a while you'll hear the anguished cries of the damned souls that failed to heed the warning signs, and so must now call nightly for fresh blood to satiate the gods and demons that call that foul place home.


Within, walls continued upright, bricks met neatly, floors were firm, and doors were sensibly shut; silence lay steadily against the wood and stone of Patrick Henry College, and whatever walked there, walked alone.
 
2014-02-21 01:47:11 AM  
Why is dancing considered worse than dating?
 
2014-02-21 02:18:36 AM  

The hopeless imp: davidhyde: I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?

Some vets are jackasses who - just like when they were serving - ruin things for everyone else. They convince the school's financial department somehow that the G.I. Bill is directly dispensed to them, and then they pay the school. So the school files the paperwork and the student gets paid for going to the school, and the school never gets paid.
Enough jackasses do it and the school refuses the G.I.Bill.
The good news is that this mostly only happens in schools that suck anyway. The others do the sensible thing and get someone who knows how veteran's benefits work.
There is no requirement that the school accept it, and in fact the VA can refuse to approve it for a particular school.


That's not how the current GI bill works. Under the new GI bill, VA pays the college directly for tuition, and the veteran gets living stipend and book allowance.

If VA gets enough complaints about a school, hey refuse to send tuition to the school. Also, the school can, if they want, refuse to accept payment from VA.
 
2014-02-21 02:36:40 AM  
If you believe that

* men have uncontrollable sexual desires and will rape if provoked

and

* it's women who need to be shut away to protect the men

then you might be a wingnut.

/Whether you're thumping on a Bible or a Qur'an as you spew this crap makes no difference
//Wingnuts is wingnuts
///A-wing-a-nut a-wing-a-nut a-wing-a-nut a-wing-a-nut
////Eee dee dee dee, dee DEE dee dee dee, slashies all the waaaaaaay
 
2014-02-21 02:43:54 AM  

Haoie: Why is dancing considered worse than dating?


Because dancing leads to sex. Chaste dating means sitting side by side on a couch leaving enough room between you for the Holy Spirit.
 
2014-02-21 04:17:39 AM  

CivicMindedFive: Didn't anybody RTFA??  The "rape", subtarmitter, was something along the lines of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv4YAx1nqDM

It might be some kind of crime, but it's not an OMG!!! RAPIST GOES FREE event either.  Don't let your hatred of all things Christian make you lose your collective fark heads out there.


Calling these people Christian slanders Christianity.
 
2014-02-21 04:42:04 AM  

dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: dfenstrate: Burning_Monk: I think you are confusing Leftist with Liberal.

Liberal has meant leftist since the term was hijacked by leftists decades ago.

'Liberal' is an accurate description of the left's position on sexual permissiveness and freedom from personal responsibility. In every other area, leftists are totalitarian-wannabees.

Stalin, that crazy liberal.

/rolleyes

Stalin's Era was about when American leftists started corrupting the language by appropriating the term 'liberal.' As a tactic, it's obviously worked, and you're a fine example.


Dafuq am I reading?
 
2014-02-21 05:02:52 AM  

Beowoolfie: I can't understand the PHC morality. It's illogical. IF one accepts what their morality claims women are, then shouldn't rape of a virgin be theft of a valuable "piece" of the girl's father's property?


Yes it should.  And I think it's safe to say that this is just how the rape of a well connected virgin is already viewed and handled among the better class.

This boy wont find a club that will have him in his lifetime.
 
2014-02-21 07:22:58 AM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: The hopeless imp: davidhyde: I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?

Some vets are jackasses who - just like when they were serving - ruin things for everyone else. They convince the school's financial department somehow that the G.I. Bill is directly dispensed to them, and then they pay the school. So the school files the paperwork and the student gets paid for going to the school, and the school never gets paid.
Enough jackasses do it and the school refuses the G.I.Bill.
The good news is that this mostly only happens in schools that suck anyway. The others do the sensible thing and get someone who knows how veteran's benefits work.
There is no requirement that the school accept it, and in fact the VA can refuse to approve it for a particular school.

That's not how the current GI bill works. Under the new GI bill, VA pays the college directly for tuition, and the veteran gets living stipend and book allowance.

If VA gets enough complaints about a school, hey refuse to send tuition to the school. Also, the school can, if they want, refuse to accept payment from VA.




That's true, but the VA won't let any school get funds. After the new GI Bill was established, plenty of shiatty for profit schools realized that veterans are guaranteed payment, and set the tuition at exactly the benefit payout and aggressively marketed vets.

You have to go through a pretty rigorous procedure to be allowed to accept VA Benefits.
 
2014-02-21 08:53:37 AM  
I couldn't read the article, it seems the writer had aspirations to be a novel writer instead of just concisely summarizing the facts.  All it was missing was "It was a dark and stormy night."

Rape is bad, false reporting of rape is bad, blaming the victim is bad, not prosecuting rapists is bad, schools handling rape allegations internally is bad, hypocritical church/schools are bad.

I'm sure I missed some bad things and generalized, but I can't be bothered to decipher that wreck of an article.
 
2014-02-21 09:18:06 AM  

rynthetyn: Haoie: Why is dancing considered worse than dating?

Because dancing leads to sex. Chaste dating means sitting side by side on a couch leaving enough room between you for the Holy Spirit.


These are, by and large, people who have taken the whole "purity" concept all the way to 11 so that now many of them are pressured to save even their first KISS until their marriage, a concept I think even Victorians would have found prudish
 
2014-02-21 09:33:06 AM  
Purcellville (and Loudon County, for that matter) is a weird hybrid of many types:

Descendants of the original landowners. Some are very wealthy and at the top of the social hierarchy, and some are not wealthy and resent being priced out by the newcomers.

Very rich types who may or may not dabble in things like running a winery or brewery or keeping horses for competition.

Artistic types who also have money, either family money or consulting gigs (IT or defense contracting). They often also have a condo or apartment closer to DC.

Rich libertarians. Their main social activity is hanging with each other and fuming how oppressed they are under Obama. Most of their money was made in defense contracting, AOL, real estate, or vampire economics. Very little social pollination with the fundies or teabaggers, though they do come together for political purposes.

Hippy dippy farmer types. Not many left these days, they've been priced out.

Bedroom commenters who take the MARC train in to DC or Rockville. They bought out here because they were priced out closer in, but didn't want to live in Fredneck.

Teabaggers. Either wealthy, or associated with Patrick Henry, or both.

Patrick Henry top management. Arrogant and creepy.

A vibrant Hispanic community. They built all the construction in the last 20 years, and preform domestic service. They're tolerated because they're vital, and as long as they keep a low origin even the teabaggers won't bring them up too often as a target.
 
2014-02-21 09:59:28 AM  
Maybe subby is being just sarcastic (that's fine) but just in case he isn't can someone point me to a book, chapter and verse in the Bible that says rape is a woman's fault?

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2014-02-21 10:12:46 AM  

Magorn: I drive by this place a lot as it is in the next town over from me, and I sear I never drive by without feeling a creepy shudder down my spine,  there is something   wrong about that place that is totally at odds with the fairly beautiful campus buildings that face the roads.  Part of it is I never actually see any people on campus...walking to class, hanging out on the quad, etc...


I just thank god this place wasn't around when I was growing up neo-con, this college has a creepy cult-like feel compared to the other conservative colleges like Liberty.

/Ideological Echo Chambers are horrible
//Same goes for super-liberal ones as well
 
2014-02-21 10:53:06 AM  

ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?


Oh Bullshiat, try to get a good grade supporting Reagan in a super-libby school.

Both sides are turning into the new religion in America, and the level of derp is just going to get worse.

/Both sides are bad, so vote for accountability
 
2014-02-21 11:22:43 AM  

shortymac: Oh Bullshiat, try to get a good grade supporting Reagan in a super-libby school.


I'm sorry, did you write a bad paper once?
//Going against the professors is expected.  They know you're still learning.
 
2014-02-21 11:38:18 AM  

ikanreed: shortymac: Oh Bullshiat, try to get a good grade supporting Reagan in a super-libby school.

I'm sorry, did you write a bad paper once?
//Going against the professors is expected.  They know you're still learning.


It really varies on the professor/teacher.  I taught my daughters how to play that game.  Have a liberal teacher, write your essay topic on how your gay friend is oppressed.  Have a conservative teacher, write your essay topic on personal responsibility.  Have a neutral teacher, write your topic on something that interests you.

Never assume teachers won't ding you in small ways for challenging their world view.
 
2014-02-21 11:39:20 AM  

LectertheChef: One thing I've never understood, is why do people who are assaulted on college campuses never call real cops? They always treat the campus as if it's sovereign territory or something. It's not, it's just a farking college campus, the campus "police" are rent-a-cops, the dean and student body president have no legal authority to handle a criminal investigation. Yet time after time, I hear about some woman who's raped on a campus, and allows the school do its own form of pretend justice, which it invariably farks up.

So yeah, any woman who's raped on a college campus, don't tell the rent-a-cops, don't go to your RA, call 911.


I asked this in a similar thread and was told that the regular cops will just call the school and have them handle it.

It's some weirdo jurisdiction rule, it also has been applied to other emergencies and student deaths.
 
2014-02-21 11:45:29 AM  

dbrunker: Maybe subby is being just sarcastic (that's fine) but just in case he isn't can someone point me to a book, chapter and verse in the Bible that says rape is a woman's fault?

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lelz u gaiz, u gaiz

.... christians...

amirite ?!?

LELZ LELZ LELZ ROFLBBQ
 
2014-02-21 12:12:21 PM  

Dinjiin: LectertheChef: One thing I've never understood, is why do people who are assaulted on college campuses never call real cops? They always treat the campus as if it's sovereign territory or something. It's not, it's just a farking college campus, the campus "police" are rent-a-cops, the dean and student body president have no legal authority to handle a criminal investigation. Yet time after time, I hear about some woman who's raped on a campus, and allows the school do its own form of pretend justice, which it invariably farks up.

Look at how crimes are reported in grade school.  When a bully corners you in the hall and punches you in the eye, do you call the police or do you notify the principal's office?  To me, it seems as if we're taught that while in school, you go through administrators.  Seems to carry over to university.


/wonders how the police would respond to a child calling them from an elementary school to report an assault without involvement from school administrators


My Parents did it once because they school refused to do anything about a particular bully (this went on for months and was pretty severe), the cops showed up to his house and talked to his parents about what was going on. Bully's Mom called us up and apologized, she swore nobody at the school told her what was going on and the bully was being punished.

Granted, this was in the 90's and before the whole "cops arresting/tazering kids (under-10)" trend that is currently happening.
 
2014-02-21 12:14:18 PM  
There's a clue in the headline that contradicts the whole shebang; did you self-righteous anti-religious hypocrites spot it?  No, of course not.

"Patrick Henry College forbids students to smoke, drink, swear, dance, even date..."

FTA:
- "Claire befriended a group of juniors who sometimes broke school rules by drinking. The group included a student named John ..."

- "One winter night in 2010, John and Claire were together in his car in Purcellville."

- "The first weekend in May, Claire and the group of juniors headed for a small lake near PHC's campus. John bought the alcohol. Claire got tipsy, and John offered to give her a ride back to campus. "If I had been sober, I would have had the intuitive sense to keep from putting myself back in a car alone with him..."

- "John, meanwhile, was suspended for a semester for drinking and for what he says the administration called "gross negligence for the concern of another" in not making sure Claire got back safely into her dorm."

- "...a young woman who attended Patrick Henry between 2004 and 2008. The student fell asleep at an off-campus party where there had been drinking and was awoken by a male PHC student assaulting her. She says she reported the incident to Patrick Henry. "The administration encouraged me to not go to the police and said that, because alcohol was involved and I was violating the rules there..."

- "He invited her to get more comfortable and join him on the bed, which she did. At some point, Sarah fell asleep while reading."

- "You are in part responsible for what happened, because you put yourself in a compromising situation," Corbitt said, according to Sarah. "Actions have consequences."

- "...Stasi Eldredge tells a cautionary tale of studying abroad in college, saying she was a "rebellious, unwise woman" who "put myself in a dangerous position":
After enjoying a few too many drinks at a local bar, my girlfriend and I accepted a ride back to the hotel from the men we had been drinking with. You must be shaking your head as you read this, knowing what was coming. I am. Their offered ride did not lead us back to the hotel, but instead to a private location where I was raped."

=======

So here's the reality:  She knew the rules, she broke the rules repeatedly, and she was unhappy with the results.  What if she had just followed the rules?  One thing you learn when you study science is that action leads to reaction and cause to effect.  The Bible indicates this too (even before our beloved Isaac Newton!):

1 Cor. 15:33 - "Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits."

and

Gal 6:7-9 "Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a person is sowing, this he will also reap; because the one sowing with a view to the flesh will reap corruption from the flesh, but the one sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit."

So if she were really a Christian, she'd be mindful of these two scriptures.  She wouldn't get "tipsy" (drunk), she wouldn't be alone with this boy, she wouldn't associate with "friends" who break the rules, she wouldn't get drunk again and be alone with this same boy again.  When you play Russian roulette, there's only so many times you can pull the trigger before you will die.  Then who do you blame?  The gun manufacturer?  Don't be stupid.

You notice how both scriptures start with "Do not be misled"?  The Bible says not to get drunk.  Most of you like to get drunk, so therefore the Bible is wrong and stupid and you are right and smart.  Do not mislead yourself.  Drunk is bad even if you think it's good.  Feel free to keep pulling that trigger but don't start whining afterwards "But I didn't mean to (kill those people with my car/get raped/get liver damage/whatever)!"  Only an idiot ignores warnings, just like these various idiotic men and women ignored the rules designed to prevent even the potential for abuse to occur.

Take some personal responsibility, people!
 
2014-02-21 12:24:17 PM  

geek_mars: FTFA: The dean insisted that she take a psychological evaluation, then called her back to the Office of Student Life, got her parents on speakerphone, and made her tell them about the assault. When she choked up, the student says, Corbitt cut in to finish the job. Then the dean informed her parents that she was unfit for PHC and needed to be retrieved immediately. Her father flew out the following day and whisked her away, says the student.

This, to me, is the most disturbing part of this article. That a father could come and remove his daughter from that place is great; that he could do so without raising hell from one end of that administration to the other is shocking to me (the father of three daughters). Considering as how the tale of his daughter's assault was related to him over the phone, it seems like he'd have shown up with the cops (or a baseball bat) and ensured that someone took his daughter's rape seriously enough to at least perform a proper investigation.


It's why I am so thankful that while my parents are Neo-Cons, they where also "old-school feminists*" and taught be to be strong, defend myself, get an education and not have to rely on a man.

My parents told me that if a man ever tried to hurt me they'd mortgage the house and hire the best lawyers money could buy. They always had my back.

The girls at PHU seem to have been taught to be so farking submissive and wilting flowers it makes me cry. No girl should have to go through that, it's freaking Sharia law and we know how horrible that is.

/AKA Actual Feminists, just not the femin-nazi kind
 
2014-02-21 12:38:08 PM  

Magorn: rynthetyn: Haoie: Why is dancing considered worse than dating?

Because dancing leads to sex. Chaste dating means sitting side by side on a couch leaving enough room between you for the Holy Spirit.

These are, by and large, people who have taken the whole "purity" concept all the way to 11 so that now many of them are pressured to save even their first KISS until their marriage, a concept I think even Victorians would have found prudish


In the evangelical movement there's a bunch of attention whoring going on to see who is the most "pure", instead of actually focusing on Jesus' teachings.

"I was a virgin until marriage"
"Oh Yeah, well I didn't even kiss my husband until marriage!"

"I'm a stay-at-home Mom and care for my 3 kids."
"Oh Yeah, well, We're quiverfull and are going to have 20 little Christian White babies and home-school them all!"

/Deistic Christian
//WTF happened to my faith?
 
2014-02-21 12:40:13 PM  

dbrunker: Maybe subby is being just sarcastic (that's fine) but just in case he isn't can someone point me to a book, chapter and verse in the Bible that says rape is a woman's fault?

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Here you go:

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) 

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

YAY GOD!!!
 
2014-02-21 12:41:32 PM  

Githerax: Take some personal responsibility, people!


Your opinion might be valid someday when you live under your own personal theocracy.  The state and local governments we currently have don't allow you to rape, at will, people who have made poor decisions.  I'm a huge fan of personal responsibility, but you're applying it indiscriminately to only one party here.
 
2014-02-21 01:31:08 PM  

Githerax: Take some personal responsibility, people!


So what you are saying is that because she broke some rules then it is ok to sexually assault her.

I guess when a woman cuts me off when I'm driving down the road, by your logic, it would be ok for me to dry hump her. She did break the rules by cutting me off ... she needs to "Take some personal responsibility"

/ I don't know why people look at fossils when trying to study cavemen. They live among us ... they are known as "religious"
 
2014-02-21 01:39:03 PM  

Githerax: Take some personal responsibility, people!


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2014-02-21 02:00:35 PM  
Githerax:
Take some personal responsibility, people!

I can't tell if you're a troll, a truly horrible human being, or both.
 
2014-02-21 02:05:41 PM  

flondrix: ikanreed: Has anyone noticed that there aren't liberal schools where the rules say you have to obey liberal doctrine?

I'm sure there are a lot of schools with a campus code of conduct that forbids harassing anyone on the basis of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation, and bans the use of all manner of slurs.  Wouldn't that qualify as requiring students to "obey liberal doctrine"?

Not

harassing people is a "liberal doctrine" now? Huh.
 
2014-02-21 02:13:17 PM  

shortymac: Magorn: rynthetyn: Haoie: Why is dancing considered worse than dating?

Because dancing leads to sex. Chaste dating means sitting side by side on a couch leaving enough room between you for the Holy Spirit.

These are, by and large, people who have taken the whole "purity" concept all the way to 11 so that now many of them are pressured to save even their first KISS until their marriage, a concept I think even Victorians would have found prudish

In the evangelical movement there's a bunch of attention whoring going on to see who is the most "pure", instead of actually focusing on Jesus' teachings.

"I was a virgin until marriage"
"Oh Yeah, well I didn't even kiss my husband until marriage!"

"I'm a stay-at-home Mom and care for my 3 kids."
"Oh Yeah, well, We're quiverfull and are going to have 20 little Christian White babies and home-school them all!"

/Deistic Christian
//WTF happened to my faith?


Still waiting for "oh yeah? Well I didn't have sex until after I had my first born!".

/hey, the precedent for crazy has been set.
 
2014-02-21 02:15:11 PM  

not_an_indigo: shortymac: Magorn: rynthetyn: Haoie: Why is dancing considered worse than dating?

Because dancing leads to sex. Chaste dating means sitting side by side on a couch leaving enough room between you for the Holy Spirit.

These are, by and large, people who have taken the whole "purity" concept all the way to 11 so that now many of them are pressured to save even their first KISS until their marriage, a concept I think even Victorians would have found prudish

In the evangelical movement there's a bunch of attention whoring going on to see who is the most "pure", instead of actually focusing on Jesus' teachings.

"I was a virgin until marriage"
"Oh Yeah, well I didn't even kiss my husband until marriage!"

"I'm a stay-at-home Mom and care for my 3 kids."
"Oh Yeah, well, We're quiverfull and are going to have 20 little Christian White babies and home-school them all!"

/Deistic Christian
//WTF happened to my faith?

Still waiting for "oh yeah? Well I didn't have sex until after I had my first born!".

/hey, the precedent for crazy has been set.


Yeah but then they'd all have to sing Ave Maria and You know how the evangelicals feel about Marianist devotions
 
2014-02-21 02:32:16 PM  

Dragonflew: dbrunker: Maybe subby is being just sarcastic (that's fine) but just in case he isn't can someone point me to a book, chapter and verse in the Bible that says rape is a woman's fault?


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Here you go:


(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)


If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.


YAY GOD!!!



In our society today if a woman says no to sex and a man continues anyway then it's considered non-consensual (rape) and if the woman doesn't say no then it's considered consensual (not rape).   The  difference between that and the Bible verse (other than the punishment) is the word "help" instead of the word "no".  See, what we're looking for here is a Bible verse that says something like um... idunno... "If a woman shall be in the City and shown her immodesty to all and a man lay with her, though she cry out for help, she shall have behaved foolishly and lain with him and shall be taken out of the gate of the city and stoned."  Can you find something along those lines?
 
2014-02-21 03:23:04 PM  

dbrunker: Dragonflew: dbrunker: Maybe subby is being just sarcastic (that's fine) but just in case he isn't can someone point me to a book, chapter and verse in the Bible that says rape is a woman's fault?


[img.fark.net image 302x167]


Here you go:


(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)


If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.


YAY GOD!!!


In our society today if a woman says no to sex and a man continues anyway then it's considered non-consensual (rape) and if the woman doesn't say no then it's considered consensual (not rape).   The  difference between that and the Bible verse (other than the punishment) is the word "help" instead of the word "no".  See, what we're looking for here is a Bible verse that says something like um... idunno... "If a woman shall be in the City and shown her immodesty to all and a man lay with her, though she cry out for help, she shall have behaved foolishly and lain with him and shall be taken out of the gate of the city and stoned."  Can you find something along those lines?


blogs.vso.org.uk

I already spent 10 seconds typing "bible rape fault woman" into Google, I am not going waste any more time with your foul book that you'll just bend to match your own meaning anyway.
 
2014-02-21 03:34:55 PM  
Really?  Twice this girl was kissed and dry humped while she and her 'attacker' had all their clothes on.  Both times according to TFA she did not object to his advances.

Now it is being called RAPE.

IF anything TFA is making the case FOR Todd Akin's comments about legitimate  rape.
 
2014-02-21 03:46:30 PM  
patrick767:  Not harassing people is a "liberal doctrine" now? Huh.

Conservatives are now claiming that anti-bullying rules violate their free exercise of religion, and call such rules part of the "liberal agenda".  So yeah, not harassing people is apparently a liberal agenda now.
 
2014-02-21 04:35:55 PM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: The hopeless imp: davidhyde: I don't understand how a school can refuse the GI Bill. That is a benefit a veteran earned for his (or her) service and should be between the veteran and the government. Can somebody please explain?

Some vets are jackasses who - just like when they were serving - ruin things for everyone else. They convince the school's financial department somehow that the G.I. Bill is directly dispensed to them, and then they pay the school. So the school files the paperwork and the student gets paid for going to the school, and the school never gets paid.
Enough jackasses do it and the school refuses the G.I.Bill.
The good news is that this mostly only happens in schools that suck anyway. The others do the sensible thing and get someone who knows how veteran's benefits work.
There is no requirement that the school accept it, and in fact the VA can refuse to approve it for a particular school.

That's not how the current GI bill works. Under the new GI bill, VA pays the college directly for tuition, and the veteran gets living stipend and book allowance.

If VA gets enough complaints about a school, hey refuse to send tuition to the school. Also, the school can, if they want, refuse to accept payment from VA.


Exactly. But some schools aren't aware of this, mostly because they have NO contact with the VA. It's weird, because most schools are tripping over each other to get veterans in BECAUSE of the G.I.Bill.
 
2014-02-21 04:42:18 PM  

pdee: Really?  Twice this girl was kissed and dry humped while she and her 'attacker' had all their clothes on.  Both times according to TFA she did not object to his advances.

Now it is being called RAPE.

IF anything TFA is making the case FOR Todd Akin's comments about legitimate  rape.


This happens a lot among the ultra religious. The woman doesn't understand what's going on because her attacker cannot POSSIBLY be doing what he's doing. I believe it happens a lot more than is reported because the victims believe the incident was their fault.
Just because a woman doesn't say no doesn't mean she consented.
 
2014-02-21 04:52:06 PM  

The hopeless imp: pdee: Really?  Twice this girl was kissed and dry humped while she and her 'attacker' had all their clothes on.  Both times according to TFA she did not object to his advances.

Now it is being called RAPE.

IF anything TFA is making the case FOR Todd Akin's comments about legitimate  rape.

This happens a lot among the ultra religious. The woman doesn't understand what's going on because her attacker cannot POSSIBLY be doing what he's doing. I believe it happens a lot more than is reported because the victims believe the incident was their fault.
Just because a woman doesn't say no doesn't mean she consented.


If she doesn't no or please stop or wait I don't want to do this or something how is the guy supposed to know she hasn't consented?
 
2014-02-21 05:00:13 PM  

patrick767: Githerax:
Take some personal responsibility, people!

I can't tell if you're a troll, a truly horrible human being, or both.


I can't tell what part of applying the benefit of other people's experience to avoid problems you don't agree with.  Must be the "avoid problems" part.  How's that working out for you?
 
2014-02-21 05:08:31 PM  

dbrunker: Dragonflew: dbrunker: Maybe subby is being just sarcastic (that's fine) but just in case he isn't can someone point me to a book, chapter and verse in the Bible that says rape is a woman's fault?


[img.fark.net image 302x167]


Here you go:


(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)


If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.


YAY GOD!!!


In our society today if a woman says no to sex and a man continues anyway then it's considered non-consensual (rape) and if the woman doesn't say no then it's considered consensual (not rape).   The  difference between that and the Bible verse (other than the punishment) is the word "help" instead of the word "no".  See, what we're looking for here is a Bible verse that says something like um... idunno... "If a woman shall be in the City and shown her immodesty to all and a man lay with her, though she cry out for help, she shall have behaved foolishly and lain with him and shall be taken out of the gate of the city and stoned."  Can you find something along those lines?


So, to be clear, you're ok with the woman in the bible verse, as written, being stoned to death for being raped?

If she's too afraid of her attacker to cry out or if she's down in a basement and nobody can hear her cries then she deserves to die horribly. This is your position, right?
 
2014-02-21 05:22:16 PM  

pdee: If she doesn't no or please stop or wait I don't want to do this or something how is the guy supposed to know she hasn't consented?


By not assuming silence means consent.
It's certainly more confusing than someone assertive enough to just say "no", but no matter how horny you are, you can't assume your new partner is DTF unless they say so or are active, enthusiastic participants. Making those assumptions is assholish at best, sexual assault at worst.
 
2014-02-21 05:23:42 PM  

pdee: The hopeless imp: pdee: Really?  Twice this girl was kissed and dry humped while she and her 'attacker' had all their clothes on.  Both times according to TFA she did not object to his advances.

Now it is being called RAPE.

IF anything TFA is making the case FOR Todd Akin's comments about legitimate  rape.

This happens a lot among the ultra religious. The woman doesn't understand what's going on because her attacker cannot POSSIBLY be doing what he's doing. I believe it happens a lot more than is reported because the victims believe the incident was their fault.
Just because a woman doesn't say no doesn't mean she consented.

If she doesn't no or please stop or wait I don't want to do this or something how is the guy supposed to know she hasn't consented?


I'm not sure how that's ever in question. Then again, I never assume the women working retail are flirting with me.
 
2014-02-21 05:59:52 PM  

Inchoate: pdee: If she doesn't no or please stop or wait I don't want to do this or something how is the guy supposed to know she hasn't consented?

By not assuming silence means consent.
It's certainly more confusing than someone assertive enough to just say "no", but no matter how horny you are, you can't assume your new partner is DTF unless they say so or are active, enthusiastic participants. Making those assumptions is assholish at best, sexual assault at worst.


Even by your standard the guy in TFA stopped after a minute or 2 without removing any of his clothes or hers.  I still cant see how this rises even to assault much less rape.
 
2014-02-21 06:12:02 PM  

pdee: Even by your standard the guy in TFA stopped after a minute or 2 without removing any of his clothes or hers. I still cant see how this rises even to assault much less rape.


So it's OK if a huge dude starts rubbing his cock all over you for a minute or two while you're too shocked to react. Got it.
 
2014-02-21 07:16:46 PM  
If a big dude tries to rub his cock on me im going to tell him to get the fark off me.  According to TFA the dude was her best friend if she is 'too shocked to react' and it takes him a minute or 2 to see that she is not into it I still say no crime has been committed


/context counts.
 
2014-02-21 07:58:58 PM  

Farking Canuck: Githerax: Take some personal responsibility, people!

So what you are saying is that because she broke some rules then it is ok to sexually assault her.

I guess when a woman cuts me off when I'm driving down the road, by your logic, it would be ok for me to dry hump her. She did break the rules by cutting me off ... she needs to "Take some personal responsibility"

/ I don't know why people look at fossils when trying to study cavemen. They live among us ... they are known as "religious"


I understand why you're being deliberately dense; admitting personal responsibility is hard.  In your illustration, the woman, having broken the rules, would be liable to penalty as proscribed by law.  If you foolishly responded by dry humping her, then you would be liable to penalty as well.  Two stupids don't make a smart.

You see, rule and law exist to prevent problems.  By applying simple rules, you can avoid many problems.  Simple rules like "Don't get drunk because you lose your capacity to make secure judgments about people and actions".  When you break that rule, you expose yourself to any or all of the potential consequences.  But if you follow the rule, you render yourself immune to those kinds of consequences.  Now, if a drunk man groped a sober woman, that woman would truly be a victim because she did had done her best to minimize or eliminate the potential for problems.  But if you deliberately get drunk and unplug your brain, then get surprised by the bad decision-making inherent in drunkenness that leads to bad consequences, you have to trace the problem back to you getting drunk and joining an environment of like-minded selfish, uncontrolled people who, by virtue of having the same lack of judgment as you, also break rules up to and including assault, rape or manslaughter.  Now go re-read 1 Cor 15:33 and think about why that is true.
 
2014-02-21 09:35:54 PM  

shortymac: Oh Bullshiat, try to get a good grade supporting Reagan in a super-libby school.


Sounds like somebody couldn't support their thesis...
 
2014-02-21 10:37:47 PM  

pdee: If a big dude tries to rub his cock on me im going to tell him to get the fark off me.  According to TFA the dude was her best friend if she is 'too shocked to react' and it takes him a minute or 2 to see that she is not into it I still say no crime has been committed


/context counts.


Ah I see.

So it IS cool if any guy you know pins you down in your car to rub their cock all over you, until you shove them away.... and then later they can try again to make sure until you say no?  Just not a stranger.  You're fine with random friend cock rubbing.

Even if you say no faster than she did, that's a bit of an odd thing to be okay with... but hey; may you would enjoy all the feels you could get of your friends and acquaintances that way.

It wasn't a date even; he was engaged to someone else, he tried again another time after being shoved off the first time....

Seriously, do not randomly rub your cock on people.  I would hope most people do not need a PSA telling them that.
 
2014-02-21 11:29:18 PM  
Dragonflew:
I already spent 10 seconds typing "bible rape fault woman" into Google, I am not going waste any more time with your foul book that you'll just bend to match your own meaning anyway.

Farking Canuck:
So, to be clear, you're ok with the woman in the bible verse, as written, being stoned to death for being raped?


If she's too afraid of her attacker to cry out or if she's down in a basement and nobody can hear her cries then she deserves to die horribly. This is your position, right?


Woah, hold on.  Let's calm down and look at this rationally.
If you want to believe that the Bible is a "foul book" that's up to you, but I didn't say or suggest it's mine.  I didn't say I was a Christian or even a religious person.  I didn't say that the woman in the Bible verse (or any other woman) should be put to death for having sex or that she should cry out even if she's afraid or no one can hear her.  All of that is putting words in my mouth.
Let's take a closer look at the headline.  It reads an evangelical college says, "...in keeping with biblical principles, if you are raped it's your own fault, you filthy harlot".  I'm skeptical of this.  I want to know where in the Bible it says that a woman's actions put her at fault for being raped, because I don't believe it's in the Bible.  If what the headline says is true and not just satire, Patrick Henry College has a Biblical based policy on a Bible passage that isn't in the Bible.

The goal posts haven't been moved and I didn't bend the meaning, but the meaning did get confused.  If someone detests the Bible so much they feel spending 10 seconds on it is a waste of time, they're not going to read it very carefully.  That's understandable.  Like I said, rape is all about consent.  If you do consent to sex you haven't been raped, if you don't consent you have been raped.  Re-read what Deuteronomy 22:23-24 is saying.  It's not saying if a woman is raped and she doesn't resist she's punished but if she is raped and she does resists she isn't punished.  It doesn't say it's her fault for being raped.  It's saying if a bride-to-be has consensual sex she's punished, if she doesn't have consensual sex she isn't punished and the way we tell the difference is she yells for help.  The details have dramatically changed but the underlying principle still exists today.  If a woman is engaged and has sex with some guy who isn't her finance, she isn't executed by the government but she might be humiliated by her groom-to-be and have the wedding called off.  Instead of yelling for help, if a woman tells a man no and he forces her to have sex with him anyway she's been raped.
What I said still stands.  Can someone come to the defense of  Patrick Henry College and prove me wrong that the Bible doesn't say if a woman dresses/acts slutty and goes to the wrong place at the wrong time she's at fault for being raped?  I don't mean something vague like "women should be modest at all times" but actually says she got what she deserved.
 
2014-02-22 12:06:51 AM  
Githerax:
You see, rule and law exist to prevent problems.  By applying simple rules, you can avoid many problems.  Simple rules like "Don't get drunk because you lose your capacity to make secure judgments about people and actions".  When you break that rule, you expose yourself to any or all of the potential consequences.  But if you follow the rule, you render yourself immune to those kinds of consequences.  Now, if a drunk man groped a sober woman, that woman would truly be a victim because she did had done her best to minimize or eliminate the potential for problems.   But if you deliberately get drunk and unplug your brain, then get surprised by the bad decision-making inherent in drunkenness that leads to bad consequences, you have to trace the problem back to you getting drunk and joining an environment of like-minded selfish, uncontrolled people who, by virtue of having the same lack of judgment as you, also break rules up to and including assault, rape or manslaughter.  Now go re-read 1 Cor 15:33 and think about why that is true.

a) A victim of a crime is still a victim of a crime even if they had some alcohol. Your "morals" sicken me.

b) If I want to read about what is true the last place I would go to is the book full of horrific savagery called the bible. A book that promotes slavery, rape, murder, incest, sacrifice of family members, etc. is not the place a civilized person goes to seek moral guidance.
 
2014-02-22 12:14:54 AM  

dbrunker: What I said still stands. Can someone come to the defense of Patrick Henry College and prove me wrong that the Bible doesn't say if a woman dresses/acts slutty and goes to the wrong place at the wrong time she's at fault for being raped? I don't mean something vague like "women should be modest at all times" but actually says she got what she deserved.


- you ask that someone  "point me to a book, chapter and verse in the Bible that says rape is a woman's fault" - your words.

- someone gives you exactly what you ask for - an example where a woman is to be stoned to death when she is the victim of rape.

- you say that is not good enough ... I guess you feel that stoning a person to death for an event is not saying it was "her fault".

it's a big book written by cave men ... pretty near any atrocity you can think of is in there.
 
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