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2014-02-20 04:39:15 PM
Jesus consorted with some of the most evil and vile people of his time, yet I am positive that he would refuse to bless a gay person on their death bed.
 
2014-02-20 04:42:39 PM
Tomorrow we'll see this statement:

"The Church supports our priest for not providing the sacrament. It is obvious that not being absolved of sin and worry for the afterlife is what kept Mr. Plishka alive. In fact, he should be thanking the clergy for condemning his abhorrent lifestyle, even though the head of the Church and our savior Jesus Christ has told us not to judge."
 
2014-02-20 04:47:58 PM
When your religion is built on being a judgemental prick to others, in direct contradiction to the teachings of your deity and his words in your most holy book, maybe it's time to self-examine your problems.
 
2014-02-20 04:51:33 PM
Sounds to me like the guy lived a life of super gay sin and was looking for an eleventh hour perversion.
 
2014-02-20 04:53:51 PM

Diogenes: Sounds to me like the guy lived a life of super gay sin and was looking for an eleventh hour perversion.


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2014-02-20 05:05:59 PM

hardinparamedic: Diogenes: Sounds to me like the guy lived a life of super gay sin and was looking for an eleventh hour perversion.

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Oh, I couldn't help it.

It really would be interesting to know the priest's reasons.  Don't they absolve people for most sins on the deathbed?  Is this another instance where homosexuality tops the sin hierarchy?

I'm sure God and Jesus really look favorably on denying someone Their comfort upon their imminent death.
 
2014-02-20 05:12:41 PM

Diogenes: Oh, I couldn't help it.

It really would be interesting to know the priest's reasons.  Don't they absolve people for most sins on the deathbed?  Is this another instance where homosexuality tops the sin hierarchy?

I'm sure God and Jesus really look favorably on denying someone Their comfort upon their imminent death.


I honestly didn't think that a priest COULD refuse to give someone the dying sacraments in Catholicism unless they knew the person had been excommunicated from the church.
 
2014-02-20 05:31:41 PM
GOOD

You are gay.
SUCKS to be you, but the stupid religion that you belong to HATES YOU and HATES GAYS.
GET THE FARK OVER IT

"hate the sin, not the sinner" ??
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
What a lame ass excuse for a bunch of bigots.
 
2014-02-20 05:39:29 PM
Well that was very christian of them.  Would they deny a fat gluttonous pig their last rights?
 
2014-02-20 05:40:56 PM

twistedmetal: Well that was very christian of them.  Would they deny a fat gluttonous pig their last rights?


christianity hasnt been about being christian for a VERY long time
Read ANYTHING said by a christian politician in the last 6000 years and you will see some asshole judging others.
 
2014-02-20 05:46:48 PM

namatad: twistedmetal: Well that was very christian of them.  Would they deny a fat gluttonous pig their last rights?

christianity hasnt been about being christian for a VERY long time
Read ANYTHING said by a christian politician in the last 6000 years and you will see some asshole judging others.


I know, and I've encountered Baptist preachers who would refuse to visit people of lower class in their ICU death beds, but I just wouldn't expect it from a priest.
 
2014-02-20 06:01:28 PM

Diogenes: hardinparamedic: Diogenes: Sounds to me like the guy lived a life of super gay sin and was looking for an eleventh hour perversion.

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Oh, I couldn't help it.

It really would be interesting to know the priest's reasons.  Don't they absolve people for most sins on the deathbed?  Is this another instance where homosexuality tops the sin hierarchy?

I'm sure God and Jesus really look favorably on denying someone Their comfort upon their imminent death.


As I understand it, you have to actually repent.  Admit your sins and ask God for forgiveness.  If you say that whatever you did wasn't a sin, God won't forgive you, and neither will the Clergy (well, unless you make a sizable donation).

/ Not Catholic, but my family was and I went to Catholic school, so I still remember a thing or two...
 
2014-02-20 06:02:34 PM
Is it still possible to purchase and "indulgence" from the bishop?
 
2014-02-20 06:02:52 PM

twistedmetal: Well that was very christian of them.  Would they deny a fat gluttonous pig their last rights?


point of order here, we're talking about the last rites, not the last rights.  You're not really entitled to them the same way you are to "rights".
 
2014-02-20 06:05:22 PM
I just saw red. I cursed at a priest. I called him a hypocrite. As he was leaving - I can't repeat what I said, but it was bad. ... I'm thinking I'm going to rot in hell now

Can someone explain this to me? Don't people die all the time without a priest around? Do they all go to hell, too?
 
2014-02-20 06:16:41 PM

hardinparamedic: Diogenes: Oh, I couldn't help it.

It really would be interesting to know the priest's reasons.  Don't they absolve people for most sins on the deathbed?  Is this another instance where homosexuality tops the sin hierarchy?

I'm sure God and Jesus really look favorably on denying someone Their comfort upon their imminent death.

I honestly didn't think that a priest COULD refuse to give someone the dying sacraments in Catholicism unless they knew the person had been excommunicated from the church.


Well they CAN, but it would have to follow a specific set of circumstances, and I think some details are being left out.  Last rites aren't a sacrament, they're a collection of sacraments:

1) Anointing of the Sick
2) Penance (Confession)
3) The Eucharist (communion)

You can be denied communion if:

A person who is conscious of grave [mortal] sin (<---- "Being a practicing homosexual or a divorced Catholic without annulment counts) is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.

Either the priest was way off base, or they hit step 2, Ronald Plishka decided he wasn't sorry he was gay, so step 3 was obviated.  You can't be granted absolution for something you aren't sorry for, and you can't get communion if you are conscious of committing a grave mortal sin.   The priest isn't talking, but I imagine he did a piss poor job of explaining why he wouldn't do step three, which is what Mr.Plishka was complaining about.

I'm not trying to defend the rules, but that's how they work.
 
2014-02-20 06:21:07 PM

fusillade762: I just saw red. I cursed at a priest. I called him a hypocrite. As he was leaving - I can't repeat what I said, but it was bad. ... I'm thinking I'm going to rot in hell now

Can someone explain this to me? Don't people die all the time without a priest around? Do they all go to hell, too?


No, it's supposed to be a cleansing ritual.  Before Vatican II it was considered a good way to knock your time in Purgatory down.  That's a gross oversimplification, but it's the general idea.  It gives you a way to ask forgiveness for all the shiatty things you managed to do after the last time you went to confession/got communion.
 
2014-02-20 06:27:22 PM

namatad: twistedmetal: Well that was very christian of them.  Would they deny a fat gluttonous pig their last rights?

christianity hasnt been about being christian for a VERY long time
Read ANYTHING said by a christian politician in the last 6000 years and you will see some asshole judging others.


Ummmm.......... Jesus supposedly walked the earth about 2000 years ago or so, so I doubt there were any christian politicians 6000 years ago.
/or even 2100 years ago
 
2014-02-20 06:27:22 PM

serial_crusher: twistedmetal: Well that was very christian of them.  Would they deny a fat gluttonous pig their last rights?

point of order here, we're talking about the last rites, not the last rights.  You're not really entitled to them the same way you are to "rights".


Meh, autocorrect really pisses off the grammar nazis, yet you understood the statement.  Rite?
 
2014-02-20 06:32:21 PM

hardinparamedic: Diogenes: Oh, I couldn't help it.

It really would be interesting to know the priest's reasons.  Don't they absolve people for most sins on the deathbed?  Is this another instance where homosexuality tops the sin hierarchy?

I'm sure God and Jesus really look favorably on denying someone Their comfort upon their imminent death.

I honestly didn't think that a priest COULD refuse to give someone the dying sacraments in Catholicism unless they knew the person had been excommunicated from the church.


Even if they're excommunicated, they can't be denied last rites if they ask for them. period.
 
2014-02-20 06:33:46 PM

Serious Black: Jesus consorted with some of the most evil and vile people of his time, yet I am positive that he would refuse to bless a gay person on their death bed.


I mean, read about what scumbags Roman tax collectors (like St. Peter) were.  Sure, they taxed people into starvation and kept most of it for themselves (and only gave what they had to to the Senate in Rome).  And yeah, all those prostitutes were morally questionable.  But you know what?  Those people were  hetero.  That's all that matters.
 
2014-02-20 06:35:46 PM

hardinparamedic: Diogenes: Oh, I couldn't help it.

It really would be interesting to know the priest's reasons.  Don't they absolve people for most sins on the deathbed?  Is this another instance where homosexuality tops the sin hierarchy?

I'm sure God and Jesus really look favorably on denying someone Their comfort upon their imminent death.

I honestly didn't think that a priest COULD refuse to give someone the dying sacraments in Catholicism unless they knew the person had been excommunicated from the church.


I guess you could do it if you were certain they didn't mean it. Even then, I'm not sure the sacrament is doctrinally required for salvation purposes. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's explicitly between you and God.
 
2014-02-20 06:35:56 PM
how dare that priest abide by what he claims to believe.
 
2014-02-20 06:37:43 PM

twistedmetal: serial_crusher: twistedmetal: Well that was very christian of them.  Would they deny a fat gluttonous pig their last rights?

point of order here, we're talking about the last rites, not the last rights.  You're not really entitled to them the same way you are to "rights".

Meh, autocorrect really pisses off the grammar nazis, yet you understood the statement.  Rite?


Ha, normally I wouldn't have said anything, but when you start talking about denying people their rites, the context gets a little bit muddled.
 
2014-02-20 06:38:00 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Serious Black: Jesus consorted with some of the most evil and vile people of his time, yet I am positive that he would refuse to bless a gay person on their death bed.

I mean, read about what scumbags Roman tax collectors (like St. Peter) were.  Sure, they taxed people into starvation and kept most of it for themselves (and only gave what they had to to the Senate in Rome).  And yeah, all those prostitutes were morally questionable.  But you know what?  Those people were  hetero.  That's all that matters.


They also admitted that what they were doing was wrong.
 
2014-02-20 06:38:10 PM

twistedmetal: serial_crusher: twistedmetal: Well that was very christian of them.  Would they deny a fat gluttonous pig their last rights?

point of order here, we're talking about the last rites, not the last rights.  You're not really entitled to them the same way you are to "rights".

Meh, autocorrect really pisses off the grammar nazis, yet you understood the statement.  Rite?


Zing!
 
2014-02-20 06:39:50 PM
You can be denied communion if:

A person who is conscious of grave [mortal] sin (
Either the priest was way off base, or they hit step 2, Ronald Plishka decided he wasn't sorry he was gay, so step 3 was obviated. You can't be granted absolution for something you aren't sorry for, and you can't get communion if you are conscious of committing a grave mortal sin. The priest isn't talking, but I imagine he did a piss poor job of explaining why he wouldn't do step three, which is what Mr.Plishka was complaining about.

I'm not trying to defend the rules, but that's how they work.

Yeah, that's how they work. I know a priest (Episcopalian), he's only heard 2 confessions in 30 years of work.
 
2014-02-20 06:40:16 PM

fusillade762: I just saw red. I cursed at a priest. I called him a hypocrite. As he was leaving - I can't repeat what I said, but it was bad. ... I'm thinking I'm going to rot in hell now

Can someone explain this to me? Don't people die all the time without a priest around? Do they all go to hell, too?


Only the queers.
 
2014-02-20 06:41:59 PM
Let this be a lesson to him that a backwards, pedophile-sheltering organization is worthless as an arbiter of ethics and morality.

If you have faith, what's important is your personal faith and relationship with god, not what some 40 year old virgin in a dress says.
 
2014-02-20 06:44:24 PM

Lsherm: hardinparamedic: Diogenes: Oh, I couldn't help it.

It really would be interesting to know the priest's reasons.  Don't they absolve people for most sins on the deathbed?  Is this another instance where homosexuality tops the sin hierarchy?

I'm sure God and Jesus really look favorably on denying someone Their comfort upon their imminent death.

I honestly didn't think that a priest COULD refuse to give someone the dying sacraments in Catholicism unless they knew the person had been excommunicated from the church.

Well they CAN, but it would have to follow a specific set of circumstances, and I think some details are being left out.  Last rites aren't a sacrament, they're a collection of sacraments:

1) Anointing of the Sick
2) Penance (Confession)
3) The Eucharist (communion)

You can be denied communion if:

A person who is conscious of grave [mortal] sin (<---- "Being a practicing homosexual or a divorced Catholic without annulment counts) is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.

Either the priest was way off base, or they hit step 2, Ronald Plishka decided he wasn't sorry he was gay, so step 3 was obviated.  You can't be granted absolution for something you aren't sorry for, and you can't get communion if you are conscious of committing a grave mortal sin.   The priest isn't talking, but I imagine he did a piss poor job of explaining why he wouldn't do step three, which is what Mr.Plishka was complaining about.

I'm not trying to defend the rules, but that's how they work.


Good post. Plishka didn't say whether he and the priest discussed absolution and repentance for his homosexuality.

I don't know why he'd care, though. If he really believes all this stuff, he's going to hell anyway. It's like he's mad that the priest wouldn't bullshiat him the way he wanted him to, but rather stuck steadfastly to his own bullshiat.
 
2014-02-20 06:46:30 PM

twistedmetal: Well that was very christian of them.  Would they deny a fat gluttonous pig their last rights?


media.salon.com

(What a fat gluttonous pig may look like, etc. etc.)
 
2014-02-20 06:46:39 PM

dv-ous: Let this be a lesson to him that a backwards, pedophile-sheltering organization is worthless as an arbiter of ethics and morality.

If you have faith, what's important is your personal faith and relationship with god, not what some 40 year old virgin in a dress says.


Who are you to tell him what is important in his faith? His personal faith may place 40year old virgins in very high regard.
 
2014-02-20 06:47:46 PM
Ummm...find a religion that doesn't hate you maybe? Better yet....stop believing in fairy tales.
 
2014-02-20 06:48:17 PM
Gay Catholic Heart Attack would be a great band name.
 
2014-02-20 06:48:29 PM
They could have consolted the Gay Bible and the Holy Anus.
 
2014-02-20 06:49:36 PM
genner:

They also admitted that what they were doing was wrong.

Not sure if trolling or if you should kill yourself.  You know what?  Forget the trolling.
 
GCD
2014-02-20 06:51:30 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but if you can REQUEST a priest to administer your last rites, chances are you're going to make it - unless you're suffering from a terminal illness.
 
2014-02-20 06:51:53 PM
I don't see what the big deal is as Christianity in general views homosexuality as a sin. This is like someone complaining that the KKK doesn't celebrate Black History Month.

Even more confusing that he's expecting the Catholic Church to give last rites. Catholics are more strict than Baptists.
 
2014-02-20 06:53:28 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: how dare that priest abide by what he claims to believe.


How dare he work at a hospital that explicitly requires that he not invoke such beliefs if he works there, and then do it anyway, like a sneak? The hospital has a policy - he didn't like that policy, he should not have been working there.
Plenty of other priests would have performed the ritual without any bullshiat - his position is not compulsory to the faith.
 
2014-02-20 06:54:54 PM

fusillade762: I just saw red. I cursed at a priest. I called him a hypocrite. As he was leaving - I can't repeat what I said, but it was bad. ... I'm thinking I'm going to rot in hell now

Can someone explain this to me? Don't people die all the time without a priest around? Do they all go to hell, too?


I think the whole "rotting in hell" bit had to do with him cussing out the priest.
 
2014-02-20 06:56:30 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: dv-ous: Let this be a lesson to him that a backwards, pedophile-sheltering organization is worthless as an arbiter of ethics and morality.

If you have faith, what's important is your personal faith and relationship with god, not what some 40 year old virgin in a dress says.

Who are you to tell him what is important in his faith? His personal faith may place 40year old virgins in very high regard.


Plenty of priests would have just given the guy last rites without the self-aggrandizing attention whore act this priest pulled out of his ass. Priest is an asshole - and so, won't be working at that hospital anymore. The victim survived - so it all ended well.
 
2014-02-20 06:57:21 PM
Who cares. The "last rites" are a tradition that have no foundation in the bible anyway. Just another Catholic invention.

If this guy goes to heaven, it won't be because of someone saying something to him before he dies.
 
2014-02-20 06:57:23 PM
Wait... what? If you associate with bigots who make it clear they're bigoted against you they may ultimately wind up treating you with bigotry?

Well no fark. Did the priest bang your head on the baptismal font one too many times during your stint as an alter boy or were you just born stupid?
 
2014-02-20 07:00:10 PM

jso2897: The_Original_Roxtar: how dare that priest abide by what he claims to believe.

How dare he work at a hospital that explicitly requires that he not invoke such beliefs if he works there, and then do it anyway, like a sneak? The hospital has a policy - he didn't like that policy, he should not have been working there.
Plenty of other priests would have performed the ritual without any bullshiat - his position is not compulsory to the faith.


Every time anything happens that somebody's Sky Wizard doesn't like, there's howling and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments because RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION. Doesn't matter if the farking pharmacist doesn't do his job, or the people at the hospital are incredibly rude, or otherwise. It's NEVER their fault that they've chosen a position where their particular brand of crap must either be amended (such as in this case) or outright dismissed (as in some civil functions), and if you try to pull them aside and relate to them what an enormous ass they're being they stamp their feet and shriek about how oppressed they are.

This'll be on Fox News soon, with some potatohead ranting about how the evil atheist mooslim communist fascist hospital is asking the priest to 'reevaluate' his position there.
 
2014-02-20 07:00:28 PM
As a Catholic, I think that it's right sad that this priest allowed his politics to triumph over his vows.

Whatever gay boy was, at that point in time he thought he was fixing to die and reached out for God; and what he got was a fellow who told him that he didn't have all his i's dotted and he t's crossed, so God was unavailable. How very sad.
 
2014-02-20 07:01:10 PM

jso2897: Plenty of priests would have just given the guy last rites without the self-aggrandizing attention whore act this priest pulled out of his ass. Priest is an asshole - and so, won't be working at that hospital anymore. The victim survived - so it all ended well.


Because nothing says "self-aggrandizing attention whore" like quietly walking away and then refusing to make a statement on the matter after somebody else runs to the media to cry about it...
 
2014-02-20 07:01:34 PM

jso2897: Debeo Summa Credo: dv-ous: Let this be a lesson to him that a backwards, pedophile-sheltering organization is worthless as an arbiter of ethics and morality.

If you have faith, what's important is your personal faith and relationship with god, not what some 40 year old virgin in a dress says.

Who are you to tell him what is important in his faith? His personal faith may place 40year old virgins in very high regard.

Plenty of priests would have just given the guy last rites without the self-aggrandizing attention whore act this priest pulled out of his ass. Priest is an asshole - and so, won't be working at that hospital anymore. The victim survived - so it all ended well.


Why do you think he won't be working there anymore?

Now that I reread the article, it sounds like he asked whether the patient wanted to say confession- but it doesn't sound like he actually confessed but rather "discusses his history and talked about how excited he was about Francis" etc.
 
2014-02-20 07:03:43 PM

Snuffybud: namatad: twistedmetal: Well that was very christian of them.  Would they deny a fat gluttonous pig their last rights?

christianity hasnt been about being christian for a VERY long time
Read ANYTHING said by a christian politician in the last 6000 years and you will see some asshole judging others.

Ummmm.......... Jesus supposedly walked the earth about 2000 years ago or so, so I doubt there were any christian politicians 6000 years ago.
/or even 2100 years ago


Jesus may have been the best Christian, but Adam and Eve were the first Christians!

/And I bet there's some dumbass backwoods redneck that actually believes that!
 
2014-02-20 07:04:25 PM
If God can love a priest, then God can damn sure love a gay who's never used God as an excuse to delight in being viciously cruel.
 
2014-02-20 07:04:33 PM

jso2897: Debeo Summa Credo: dv-ous: Let this be a lesson to him that a backwards, pedophile-sheltering organization is worthless as an arbiter of ethics and morality.

If you have faith, what's important is your personal faith and relationship with god, not what some 40 year old virgin in a dress says.

Who are you to tell him what is important in his faith? His personal faith may place 40year old virgins in very high regard.

Plenty of priests would have just given the guy last rites without the self-aggrandizing attention whore act this priest pulled out of his ass. Priest is an asshole - and so, won't be working at that hospital anymore. The victim survived - so it all ended well.


The patient either knew what was going to happen or is clueless about Christianity. The priest wasn't the one who wanted attention here.
 
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