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(Talking Points Memo)   Arizona to Kansas: We'll see your 'legalized discrimination against gays' bill, and raise you an even worse one   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 150
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2014-02-20 11:55:42 AM  
Things like this likely explain why the SETI program hasn't found anything.  It's not that the aliens aren't out there... it's just that the aliens see our calls on their Caller ID, look at stories like this, and let it go to voicemail.
 
2014-02-20 12:01:57 PM  
Step 1: Get desperate
Step 2: Overreach
Step 3: Supreme court knocks your dick in the dirt.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-20 12:07:39 PM  
These people have just got to have someone to focus their hate on.
 
2014-02-20 12:16:37 PM  
I cannot wait until some enterprising secular or atheist restaurant owner in one of these shiatheel states starts asking patrons their religion when they order shellfish.
 
2014-02-20 12:18:56 PM  
I was told a few days ago by a hardcore Tea Party supporter that the Democrats were trying to build implacable voting blocks with tactics like legally recognizing same-sex couples' relationships. I didn't respond to that, but I should have told him that the Republicans could shatter that block instantly by not bashing gay people all the time. The existence of GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans proves that some gay people like Republican ideals enough to overpower the crushing lack of dignity the rest of the party recognizes; a lot more gay people would be able to vote Republican if they felt like their dignity was being respected by the party.
 
2014-02-20 12:19:24 PM  
the GOP has finally become nothing more than a shriveled organ of hate.
 
2014-02-20 12:27:34 PM  

Serious Black: I was told a few days ago by a hardcore Tea Party supporter that the Democrats were trying to build implacable voting blocks with tactics like legally recognizing same-sex couples' relationships. I didn't respond to that, but I should have told him that the Republicans could shatter that block instantly by not bashing gay people all the time. The existence of GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans proves that some gay people like Republican ideals enough to overpower the crushing lack of dignity the rest of the party recognizes; a lot more gay people would be able to vote Republican if they felt like their dignity was being respected by the party.


This part of American Dad always seems relevant when people bring up Log Cabin Republicans

My fellow Republicans,
last night I kissed a man named Terry.
Greg, you were on break at the time.
And I learned something...
We're wrong about gays.
I was wrong...
and I taught my boy wrong.

It turns out that being gay is not a choice.
It's true. Believe me, I tried, and it didn't work.
The Log Cabin delegates trying to get in tonight didn't choose to be gay,
but they did choose to be Republicans.
Even though, as Republicans, we used bashing them
as the backbone of our last presidential election,
they're still sticking with us.
By God, these people love America as much as they love brunch!

You know what else is a choice?
Being a Democrat.
Democrats weren't born Democrats.
They chose to be Democrats.
I'm not telling you to stop hating.
I just want you to hate where hate deserves.
Hating gays is hate we could be using on the Democrats.
We shouldn't discriminate against gays.
We should get more of them to be Republicans.
They're supporting the economy by buying high-end appliances
and teacup poodles.

Do you want manufacturers of super-tight T-shirts to go out of business?
No!
Would you forsake Socrates, Plato and Grandpa Walton?
No!
There's room for everyone.
We all belong in the GOP.
So come on, David Geffen,
get on board Nathan Lane,
come on, Johnny Depp...
Really? You would have thought with the tiny glasses.
So come on, L.A. Sparks,
come on half the population of Palm Springs.
Oh, who are we kidding, come on all of Palm Springs.
Come on, Anne Heche, you confused son of a biatch.
Come under the big tent.
The Grand Ol' Party just got grander.
In the words of the Founding Father of the Republican party,
Abraham Lincoln,
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
And that house, my friends,
will be resurfaced with an aged-lime wash
and flipped for a profit!


Whether you love or hate the show, it does a great job of handling LGBT issues
 
2014-02-20 12:29:35 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Serious Black: I was told a few days ago by a hardcore Tea Party supporter that the Democrats were trying to build implacable voting blocks with tactics like legally recognizing same-sex couples' relationships. I didn't respond to that, but I should have told him that the Republicans could shatter that block instantly by not bashing gay people all the time. The existence of GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans proves that some gay people like Republican ideals enough to overpower the crushing lack of dignity the rest of the party recognizes; a lot more gay people would be able to vote Republican if they felt like their dignity was being respected by the party.

This part of American Dad always seems relevant when people bring up Log Cabin Republicans

My fellow Republicans,
last night I kissed a man named Terry.
Greg, you were on break at the time.
And I learned something...
We're wrong about gays.
I was wrong...
and I taught my boy wrong.

It turns out that being gay is not a choice.
It's true. Believe me, I tried, and it didn't work.
The Log Cabin delegates trying to get in tonight didn't choose to be gay,
but they did choose to be Republicans.
Even though, as Republicans, we used bashing them
as the backbone of our last presidential election,
they're still sticking with us.
By God, these people love America as much as they love brunch!

You know what else is a choice?
Being a Democrat.
Democrats weren't born Democrats.
They chose to be Democrats.
I'm not telling you to stop hating.
I just want you to hate where hate deserves.
Hating gays is hate we could be using on the Democrats.
We shouldn't discriminate against gays.
We should get more of them to be Republicans.
They're supporting the economy by buying high-end appliances
and teacup poodles.

Do you want manufacturers of super-tight T-shirts to go out of business?
No!
Would you forsake Socrates, Plato and Grandpa Walton?
No!
There's room for everyone.
We all belong in the GOP.
So come on, David Geffen,
get on boa ...


I haven't watched it in awhile, but I binged on American Dad a few months ago. It's definitely my favorite of Seth Macfarlane's shows.
 
2014-02-20 12:31:40 PM  
Hey, at least these Christians are willing to legally prove that discrimination is an important part of their religion.
 
2014-02-20 12:34:40 PM  
Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?
 
2014-02-20 12:36:27 PM  

kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?


It's death throes of a losing movement. They hope to tie this up in courts long enough to piss off a bunch of gay people before it's struck down.

They know they're on the wrong side of history, but instead of graciously bowing out, they're going down swinging.
 
2014-02-20 12:38:18 PM  
Mah mha mah MY SHARIA!
 
2014-02-20 12:39:26 PM  

FlashHarry: the GOP has finally become nothing more than a shriveled organ of hate.


Flaccid, shriveled organ
 
2014-02-20 12:40:32 PM  

kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?


Post-Windsor, eighteen courts, totaling up to thirty-two judges, have issued opinions arguments concerning cases of potential discrimination against people because of their sexual orientation. All thirty-two of those judges have stated that discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation is illegal. The backers of these kinds of bills are trying to throw up more blockades that the courts will have to dismantle before full legal recognition of gay people's rights can be respected.
 
2014-02-20 12:40:34 PM  

kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?


Because federal courts are outlawing anti-equal-marriage laws under equal protection, and this is the last-ditch attempt to have *some* kind of ban in some form.

They basically see the writing on the wall and trying to proactively give themselves some kind of out from having to recognize same-sex marriages.  Trying to tie it to religious beliefs means setting up a 1st vs 14th fight, which is theoretically their only hope.
 
2014-02-20 12:43:00 PM  

Serious Black: I was told a few days ago by a hardcore Tea Party supporter that the Democrats were trying to build implacable voting blocks with tactics like legally recognizing same-sex couples' relationships. I didn't respond to that, but I should have told him that the Republicans could shatter that block instantly by not bashing gay people all the time. The existence of GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans proves that some gay people like Republican ideals enough to overpower the crushing lack of dignity the rest of the party recognizes; a lot more gay people would be able to vote Republican if they felt like their dignity was being respected by the party.


Or, gay people can be assholes also so Republicans shouldn't automatically dismiss the possibility of getting their votes.
 
2014-02-20 12:43:03 PM  

vpb: These people have just got to have someone to focus their hate on.


Masturbation
 
2014-02-20 12:47:00 PM  

mrshowrules: Serious Black: I was told a few days ago by a hardcore Tea Party supporter that the Democrats were trying to build implacable voting blocks with tactics like legally recognizing same-sex couples' relationships. I didn't respond to that, but I should have told him that the Republicans could shatter that block instantly by not bashing gay people all the time. The existence of GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans proves that some gay people like Republican ideals enough to overpower the crushing lack of dignity the rest of the party recognizes; a lot more gay people would be able to vote Republican if they felt like their dignity was being respected by the party.

Or, gay people can be assholes also so Republicans shouldn't automatically dismiss the possibility of getting their votes.


Well sure, but I don't think obliquely calling him an asshole would have been the best way to get my point across.
 
2014-02-20 12:50:56 PM  

Serious Black: kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?

Post-Windsor, eighteen courts, totaling up to thirty-two judges, have issued opinions arguments concerning cases of potential discrimination against people because of their sexual orientation. All thirty-two of those judges have stated that discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation is illegal. The backers of these kinds of bills are trying to throw up more blockades that the courts will have to dismantle before full legal recognition of gay people's rights can be respected.


I guess that makes sense. My state tried one of these (it was recently dropped)...then suddenly I saw them popping up in states all over in the news. All basically the same type of ban. It just seems bizarre.
 
2014-02-20 12:52:06 PM  

Serious Black: kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?

Post-Windsor, eighteen courts, totaling up to thirty-two judges, have issued opinions arguments concerning cases of potential discrimination against people because of their sexual orientation. All thirty-two of those judges have stated that discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation is illegal. The backers of these kinds of bills are trying to throw up more blockades that the courts will have to dismantle before full legal recognition of gay people's rights can be respected.


Yeah. Basically, it's an attempt to counter the argument that this discrimination is just based on animus, which the Constitution cannot support, and is actually based on free exercise of religion. Mind you, the Constitutional also doesn't support discrimination based on religiously-based animus, but that's besides the point.
 
2014-02-20 01:34:16 PM  

scottydoesntknow: It's death throes of a losing movement. They hope to tie this up in courts long enough to piss off a bunch of gay people before it's struck down.

They know they're on the wrong side of history, but instead of graciously bowing out, they're going down swinging.


I have to imagine all they will do is end up making "sexual orientation" a federally protected class the same way race and gender are.  Good. It should be, anyway.
 
2014-02-20 01:42:43 PM  
The Scissor Sisters should do a disco version of Public Enemy's "By the time I get to Arizona"
 
2014-02-20 01:49:40 PM  
Everyonce in a while, I think that shiat like this and the blatant attempts to "invalidate" federal laws and even the shiat all the way down to the always-on tobacco lawsuits are just some vast conspiracy to continue some giant make-work program for lawyers.

Some of this stuff could be passed by a highschooler straight out of her first civics class and realized as pointless, but that wouldn't move public and private money around.
 
2014-02-20 01:49:50 PM  

Serious Black: I was told a few days ago by a hardcore Tea Party supporter that the Democrats were trying to build implacable voting blocks with tactics like legally recognizing same-sex couples' relationships. I didn't respond to that, but I should have told him that the Republicans could shatter that block instantly by not bashing gay people all the time. The existence of GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans proves that some gay people like Republican ideals enough to overpower the crushing lack of dignity the rest of the party recognizes; a lot more gay people would be able to vote Republican if they felt like their dignity was being respected by the party.


That seems to be a recurring theme. "The Democrats are using GOP assholeishness for political gain!" "So you could completely obliterate their entire strategy by not being assholes?" "*crickets*"
 
2014-02-20 01:50:18 PM  

serpent_sky: scottydoesntknow: It's death throes of a losing movement. They hope to tie this up in courts long enough to piss off a bunch of gay people before it's struck down.

They know they're on the wrong side of history, but instead of graciously bowing out, they're going down swinging.

I have to imagine all they will do is end up making "sexual orientation" a federally protected class the same way race and gender are.  Good. It should be, anyway.


You have a lot more faith in Justice Kennedy than I do.
 
2014-02-20 01:51:16 PM  
Hey these Arizona tax dollars aren't going to spend themselves. Might as well use them on something we can blame Obama on when it doesn't work out.
 
2014-02-20 01:53:25 PM  

BMulligan: serpent_sky: scottydoesntknow: It's death throes of a losing movement. They hope to tie this up in courts long enough to piss off a bunch of gay people before it's struck down.

They know they're on the wrong side of history, but instead of graciously bowing out, they're going down swinging.

I have to imagine all they will do is end up making "sexual orientation" a federally protected class the same way race and gender are.  Good. It should be, anyway.

You have a lot more faith in Justice Kennedy than I do.


And should the GOP get the White House, all bets are off.

I wouldn't put it past a GOP Congress to attempt some sort of court-packing scheme, either.
 
2014-02-20 01:54:08 PM  
On several occasions, Jesus clearly stated that if you encounter a sinner you should shun them; if they approach your home, bolt the door; if they ask for food, upend your table.
 
2014-02-20 01:56:11 PM  

kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?


I think it's a last desperate grab... Everything else has failed. This will, too, but it'll buy them a few more years.

To me, it just means that we need to all start having religious beliefs that only allow us to do business with people who recognize that gay people have rights, too. Kick all the bigots to the curb and let them take their business to their fellow bigots, see how they like being discriminated against.
 
2014-02-20 01:58:08 PM  
How is this bill worse? It looks the same to me.
 
2014-02-20 01:58:26 PM  
Law is illegal and immoral and if it passes will cost the State of Arizona tens of thousands of dollars to defend.

/I also want to point out that the Kansas bill got killed in the Senate without ever even making it onto the floor.
 
2014-02-20 01:59:43 PM  

kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?


My guess is ALEC. Nobody does coordinated legislative attacks like ALEC.
 
2014-02-20 02:00:29 PM  

kid_icarus: Serious Black: kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?

Post-Windsor, eighteen courts, totaling up to thirty-two judges, have issued opinions arguments concerning cases of potential discrimination against people because of their sexual orientation. All thirty-two of those judges have stated that discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation is illegal. The backers of these kinds of bills are trying to throw up more blockades that the courts will have to dismantle before full legal recognition of gay people's rights can be respected.

I guess that makes sense. My state tried one of these (it was recently dropped)...then suddenly I saw them popping up in states all over in the news. All basically the same type of ban. It just seems bizarre.


These bills are coming out of an ALEC-like group called Citizen Link, which has ties to Focus on the Family.
 
2014-02-20 02:01:42 PM  

scottydoesntknow: kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?

It's death throes of a losing movement. They hope to tie this up in courts long enough to piss off a bunch of gay people before it's struck down.

They know they're on the wrong side of history, but instead of graciously bowing out, they're going down swinging.


The Christian Right did the same crap when the rest of America was working to end slavery. They dug through their religion until they found excuses to justify the enslavement of other human beings. In America, the Land of the Free.
 
2014-02-20 02:01:47 PM  

kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?


I think it's the last desperate grasp on bigotry.
 
2014-02-20 02:02:10 PM  

kid_icarus: Serious Black: kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?

Post-Windsor, eighteen courts, totaling up to thirty-two judges, have issued opinions arguments concerning cases of potential discrimination against people because of their sexual orientation. All thirty-two of those judges have stated that discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation is illegal. The backers of these kinds of bills are trying to throw up more blockades that the courts will have to dismantle before full legal recognition of gay people's rights can be respected.

I guess that makes sense. My state tried one of these (it was recently dropped)...then suddenly I saw them popping up in states all over in the news. All basically the same type of ban. It just seems bizarre.


That's the American Legislative Exchange Council at work. Why bother taking your time to write up some dumbassed bill for your state legislature when you can just xerox off the exact same thing submitted in the other 49 states?
 
2014-02-20 02:03:20 PM  
Hey everybody!  Let's pass a law that allows us to be cocks to people we don't like and feel GOOOD about it!

-It's what Christ would do.
 
2014-02-20 02:05:43 PM  
Don't worry you can still be mean to fat people.
 
2014-02-20 02:06:12 PM  
Something about this headline bothers me, grammatically.  But I can't tell what is is. "Arizona Senate Passes Bill Allowing Anti-Gay Discrimination "
 
2014-02-20 02:06:49 PM  
How is this 'worse?'

Also, I applaud the fiscal responsibility of the conservatives that will have the taxpayers foot the legal bills to defend this clearly unconstitutional garbage.
 
2014-02-20 02:07:08 PM  
So the the aZ Senate passed it, and now it's own to the derpy AZ house.

And the shiatty part? The governor doesn't even have to sign it for it to become law.
 
2014-02-20 02:07:29 PM  
Wasn't Arizona also the last state to make MLK day a holiday?

Why the heel is Arizona such a bigoted state? It's not even in the south and many of the states around it are pretty ok or progressive.
 
2014-02-20 02:07:35 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: kid_icarus: Haven't really been following these stories very closely thus far, but...where is all this coming from all of a sudden?? Why is there suddenly multiple states trying to pass this type of bill?

It's death throes of a losing movement. They hope to tie this up in courts long enough to piss off a bunch of gay people before it's struck down.

They know they're on the wrong side of history, but instead of graciously bowing out, they're going down swinging.

The Christian Right did the same crap when the rest of America was working to end slavery. They dug through their religion until they found excuses to justify the enslavement of other human beings. In America, the Land of the Free.


So it's about money?  Figures.
 
2014-02-20 02:07:56 PM  
Ah, the GOP's laser-like focus on job creation...for the lawyers they have to hire to defend the lawsuits against their legislation.
 
2014-02-20 02:10:36 PM  
1. Why does Subby hate freedom?

2. Wtf is up with the gay tornado in the article. Way to bury the lead.
 
2014-02-20 02:14:09 PM  
If I ever grace Arizona with my presence, every store I go into I'm going to ask "Are you a God-fearing, Jesus-loving Christian?" and when they say yes, I'm going to respond "Oh so sorry, I can't spend my money here." and walk out.
 
2014-02-20 02:15:37 PM  

Corvus: Wasn't Arizona also the last state to make MLK day a holiday?

Why the heel is Arizona such a bigoted state? It's not even in the south and many of the states around it are pretty ok or progressive.


Yeah, we didn't get the superbowl because of it.

And it's not that we're south, but we have a lot of old people that come here just in time to vote in election in november, but they don't have to live with the consequences 6 months out of a year.
 
2014-02-20 02:16:29 PM  
The GOP has survived for 30+ years by inventing cultural wedge issues like abortion, gay rights, etc. and turning them into black/white political issues, then drumming up outrage about it to solidify party loyalty.  Sure, they hemmorhaged gay, non-Christian, women, immigrants, non-whites, etc. by doing it, but that core demographic was always just enough of a bare majority to win the 50%+1 game in the end.  It no longer is, and they have absolutely zero game plan possible within their remaining logical framework to reverse those stances, having left no room for negotiation, so they're just going to turtle up even more and go completely down with the ship.
 
2014-02-20 02:17:06 PM  

Corvus: Wasn't Arizona also the last state to make MLK day a holiday?

Why the heel is Arizona such a bigoted state? It's not even in the south and many of the states around it are pretty ok or progressive.


Lots of old people in Maricopa county. Coconino and Pima counties are blue.
 
2014-02-20 02:17:17 PM  

suebhoney: If I ever grace Arizona with my presence, every store I go into I'm going to ask "Are you a God-fearing, Jesus-loving Christian?" and when they say yes, I'm going to respond "Oh so sorry, I can't spend my money here." and walk out.


As someone who has lived here for 30 years....it's really not derpy. I have no idea how in the hell this stuff makes it this far, because most of the people i've interacted with in phoenix are not like this. It's more like they're old-school republicans that just keep voting republicans because they only know the letter R.
 
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