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(RTE Ireland)   When Larry Mullen Jr. isn't playing along to a click track for U2, he's starring in "A Thousand Times Good Night" (along with Juliette Binoche), which won the grand prize at the Montreal Film Festival   (rte.ie) divider line 47
    More: Interesting, Larry Mullen, Montreal World Film Festival, Juliette Binoche, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau  
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2014-02-20 01:44:39 PM
Is it a musical journey?
 
2014-02-20 01:58:08 PM
I'm waiting for an sms asking why the sites traffic just spiked. There will be a meeting and written report required.
 
2014-02-20 02:02:23 PM
Does an African child die every time, though?
 
2014-02-20 02:33:57 PM
I wonder why Canada has a film festival when most of their actors appear to be in the U.S.

//I keed. Sorta.
 
2014-02-20 02:37:28 PM
At least it's not that dooosh, Boner.
/amidoinitright?
 
2014-02-20 02:41:50 PM

zvoidx: At least it's not that dooosh, Boner.
/amidoinitright?


www.armchairassociation.com

Wat?
 
2014-02-20 02:57:35 PM
Nothing wrong with click track. Not an indication of ineptitude as ignorant subby seems to suggest.

Many "pros" use a click.

Rudd from AC/DC never used a click and you can actually tell.

Some of the "tightest" an in the "pocket" AC/DC songs have BPM deviations within the tracks.

Whip out your BOSS "Doctor Rhythm" metronome and tap to the rhythm of the verse and then notice as it speeds up on the chorus. NOT saying Rudd/AC/DC had lousy rhythm. Just saying some like to use a click for total perfection.


....not pathetic and lame like "auto-tune"
 
2014-02-20 02:59:20 PM

baconbeard: Does an African child die every time, though?


no, but a southeast asian child is forced into factory work (printing U2 concert t-shirts that will be sold for $60 each while the child is paid 5cents a day)
 
2014-02-20 03:04:45 PM

baconbeard: Does an African child die every time, though?


Someone really should break Bono's fingers.

//To save the children.
 
2014-02-20 03:05:59 PM

craigdamage: Nothing wrong with click track. Not an indication of ineptitude as ignorant subby seems to suggest.

Many "pros" use a click.

Rudd from AC/DC never used a click and you can actually tell.

Some of the "tightest" an in the "pocket" AC/DC songs have BPM deviations within the tracks.

Whip out your BOSS "Doctor Rhythm" metronome and tap to the rhythm of the verse and then notice as it speeds up on the chorus. NOT saying Rudd/AC/DC had lousy rhythm. Just saying some like to use a click for total perfection.


....not pathetic and lame like "auto-tune"


I don't know if you also mean for more recent AC/DC tracks (vs. pre-computer software tracks like Back In Black)...

Because if you are saying AC/DC still chooses to use Rudd's human rhythm, that would be an artistic choice and/or tradition. Click tracks are no longer necessary in that drum track timing is easily correctable afterwards/in post.

This has been available at the consumer level for quite some time. Just tell the software you want everything in 4/4 and will all snap into perfect time.
 
2014-02-20 03:12:53 PM
"I AM the farking click track." - Stewart Copeland before the Police reunion tour.

/they ended up using a click track
 
2014-02-20 03:17:54 PM

s2s2s2: Is it a musical journey?


Ha! How many times have you seen Rattle and Hum?
 
2014-02-20 03:40:27 PM

craigdamage: Nothing wrong with click track. Not an indication of ineptitude as ignorant subby seems to suggest.

Many "pros" use a click.

 
2014-02-20 03:47:24 PM
Is he a better actor than he is a bass player?
 
2014-02-20 03:56:07 PM

Internet Meme Rogers: s2s2s2: Is it a musical journey?

Ha! How many times have you seen Rattle and Hum?


Like...3?
 
2014-02-20 03:56:47 PM

s2s2s2: Internet Meme Rogers: s2s2s2: Is it a musical journey?

Ha! How many times have you seen Rattle and Hum?

Like...3?


Dammit. I should have said, "One!"

/missed opportunities
 
2014-02-20 04:17:31 PM
Stupid question, but what is a click track?
 
2014-02-20 04:34:46 PM

s2s2s2: s2s2s2: Internet Meme Rogers: s2s2s2: Is it a musical journey?

Ha! How many times have you seen Rattle and Hum?

Like...3?

Dammit. I should have said, "One!"

/missed opportunities


Just wondering. It'd have to have been more than once for anyone to make or get that joke.

/at least 10 times
//I was quite young
 
2014-02-20 04:35:10 PM
I've been playing drums to a click track since '99 (been playing since 82, altogether).  I've found that it gives me a great frame of reference, should I decide I want to 'push' or 'pull' the feel of a song without affecting the tempo altogether.

Either way, it's a personal decision of the musician, not an indicator of talent (or lack thereof).

/unlike auto-tune, that is....
 
2014-02-20 04:48:41 PM
Can we really say he's "starring" in the movie?  He made no appearance in the trailer, and I'm pretty sure his name was in there just so people would go, "Larry Mullen Jr?  From U2?"  I'm guessing his role is more of a cameo.
 
2014-02-20 04:50:51 PM
I have a Chicago show from past tour, sourced from the bands IEM (inner ear microphones). The click track is audible , like maracas. The really weird part is this voice giving cues to the band, like " one....two...one two three Edge......one...two....guitar solo in three two one go....".Sounds OK but the robot voice guy is weird. "0ne. Two....one two three bass!"
 
2014-02-20 04:52:42 PM

blakeosage: Can we really say he's "starring" in the movie?  He made no appearance in the trailer, and I'm pretty sure his name was in there just so people would go, "Larry Mullen Jr?  From U2?"  I'm guessing his role is more of a cameo.


You think people actually go, "Larry Mullen Jr?  From U2?" ? B^D

I have to admit the guy's got a pretty cool gig, along with the bass player.   Part of one of the biggest groups on Earth and yet 99-44/100% of the public would walk right past him on the sidewalk.
 
2014-02-20 04:55:43 PM

kroonermanblack: Stupid question, but what is a click track?




Just put a click on the 24 track and everything will be alright
 
2014-02-20 04:56:17 PM
A click track is basically a metronome.  There is nothing wrong with playing to one.  I still catch myself counting out loud when I play.  If you see my head bobbing back and forth and my mouth moving, its not me singing.  I'm counting.

//yeah, I guess I am a dork.
 
2014-02-20 04:57:18 PM

s2s2s2: s2s2s2: Internet Meme Rogers: s2s2s2: Is it a musical journey?

Ha! How many times have you seen Rattle and Hum?

Like...3?

Dammit. I should have said, "One!"

/missed opportunities


Or 40.
 
2014-02-20 05:06:36 PM

Billy Liar: I have to admit the guy's got a pretty cool gig, along with the bass player. Part of one of the biggest groups on Earth and yet 99-44/100% of the public would walk right past him on the sidewalk.


true dat.And the fact that they could go onstage drunker than Dionysis, or hungover, or high on smack, or whsatever and perform flawlessly is a big help. Playing with confidence is a great thing.
 
2014-02-20 05:21:59 PM

rickythepenguin: I have a Chicago show from past tour, sourced from the bands IEM (inner ear microphones). The click track is audible , like maracas. The really weird part is this voice giving cues to the band, like " one....two...one two three Edge......one...two....guitar solo in three two one go....".Sounds OK but the robot voice guy is weird. "0ne. Two....one two three bass!"


I'd love to hear that.  I'm sure its annoying and ruins the bootleg... but just as a geek, cool.
 
2014-02-20 05:26:02 PM
for some reason I read the headline in John Cleese's voice
 
2014-02-20 05:27:21 PM

rickythepenguin: I have a Chicago show from past tour, sourced from the bands IEM (inner ear microphones). The click track is audible , like maracas. The really weird part is this voice giving cues to the band, like " one....two...one two three Edge......one...two....guitar solo in three two one go....".Sounds OK but the robot voice guy is weird. "0ne. Two....one two three bass!"


Not uno dos tres catorce?
 
2014-02-20 05:37:42 PM

downstairs: I'd love to hear that. I'm sure its annoying and ruins the bootleg... but just as a geek, cool.


EIP dog.

the IEM sources are interesting.  they aren't true soundboard recordings, as they lack almost all bass and sound very tinny and thin.  what a lot of U2 traders do is "matrix" a show, meanign they will obtain anywhere from 1 to 2 or 3 (in one show i have I think 4) audience recording sources layered on top of the clean but thin IEM source.  I have a friend that tapes via lowband FM, the IEM source, and he has a network of folks that tape via AUD, and then some other dude has the gear/software to layer them.  My program dosn't do that.  when done "right", they can sound pretty good.  but yeah, that damn maraca click track.

And with all the spectacle in teh last few U2 shows, when Bono is maybe literally 40 yards away from Larry, and Edge 50 yards away from Adam, the only way they can play in time is to have the IEMs.  stage monitors won't do when you are walking that far away, and if you rely on the PA you'll be delayed.  Hell in the big stadium shows, you can see the drummer hit the drums but not get the sound for a second or so later.  so they have to use the click tracks and cues just to play in time.

"chicka-chick chicka-chick chicka-chick chicka-chick chicka-chick THIS NEXT SONG IS A SONG OF PEACE, A SONG OF HOPE, A SONG OF LOVE.....THIS SONG IS OLDER THAN THE PYRAMIDS, THIS SONG IS A SONG OF LOVE, A SONG OF JOY, THIS NEXT SONG......IS....A SONG FATHERS SING TO THEIR SONS....THIS SONG WAS SUNG BY KING SOLOMON, MARTIN LUTHER KING, BENAZIR BHUTTO, AUNG SANG YU KYI, AND GABBY GIFFORDS, AND NELSON MANDELA...THIS SONG IS..........WHERE THE STREETS HAVE NO NAME!" chicka-chick chicka-chick chicka chick..."

/edge.....one...two....one two three vocal in three two one...."
 
2014-02-20 05:43:14 PM

rickythepenguin: EIP dog.


Actually thanks for the offer, but I actually was able to dig some up from YouTube.... U2 in Mexico and also one from Argentina.  From the tour what that spider-looking stage.  Very interesting.

Thanks again.
 
2014-02-20 05:46:19 PM

rickythepenguin: Hell in the big stadium shows, you can see the drummer hit the drums but not get the sound for a second or so later.


I'm sure... that's how it is in baseball if you're in the nosebleed section.

swings... ball flies into the air... a second goes by... *crack*
 
2014-02-20 06:14:41 PM

Handsome B. Wonderful: rickythepenguin: I have a Chicago show from past tour, sourced from the bands IEM (inner ear microphones).


Just asking: how do you get access to this?
 
2014-02-20 06:27:16 PM

blakeosage: Can we really say he's "starring" in the movie?  He made no appearance in the trailer, and I'm pretty sure his name was in there just so people would go, "Larry Mullen Jr?  From U2?"  I'm guessing his role is more of a cameo.


Probably.  He had a starring role in 2011's The Man on the Train, alongside Donald Sutherland.

Dick Gozinya: baconbeard: Does an African child die every time, though?

no, but a southeast asian child is forced into factory work (printing U2 concert t-shirts that will be sold for $60 each while the child is paid 5cents a day)


U2's Tour Shirts are made by Edun, Bono's wife's company, whose labor is African.  The Hewson family, creating jobs in Africa, which is more than I've ever done for Africans.

Still waiting to hear Bono ask me directly for money for Africa.  I've seen them in concert a number of times and have searched high and low for any example of it, and really, all I see is Bono asking me to sign petitions or talk to politicians or, if I do buy a product, to buy one made in Africa or where the proceeds go to Africa.  Which isn't the same thing.
 
2014-02-20 06:33:13 PM

mjohnson71: Just asking: how do you get access to this?



U2 is a heavily bootlegged band.  the recent tours, within hours of each show, fan-created recordings were popping up.  some sources suck, some are outstanding.  and as above, the matrix stuff can be pretty farking juice.  SBDs are hard to find but they are out there.  i have a NYC 10/25/01 or so show, just obviously about 6 weeks post 9/11, that is almost wha tyou'd call "commercial quality" soundboard.  and I have Atlanta 3/30/01 that is also not quite commercial, but pretty farking good.

the friend i have is in a consortium of sorts that uses low-wavelength FM receivers to tap into whatever frequency U2 is using to broadcast to each other, and once they find the frequency, they tape that via wireless, just as you can tape any radio show right now.  The gear isn't cheap, but if you want it (and can smuggle it inside the venue), game motherfarking on.

I'll email a few sites to you.  Even though U2 is pro-taping, and as a general rule Fark doesn't permit you to even post BAND ENDORSED* taping sites.  I'll send a few your way.

the general rule for taping is you don't sell (or buy) recordings.  as a taper myself, when I tape shiat, it goes up for free on sites.
 
2014-02-20 08:00:26 PM
I'm a huge fan of ELP from 1970-74 and one of the complaints I've heard, especially from drummers, is that "Carl Palmer is always speeding up and slowing down". I think what they mean is that "he doesn't do those fast fills exactly as 32nd notes", he often finishes those fills a tiny bit early or late. ELP in those days practiced so much that by the Brain Salad Surgery tour the three of them were telepathic and the live stuff "breathes" in a way the studio versions doesn't.

If there were click tracks being used live in the early 70's by touring bands, it must have been a very crude system.
 
2014-02-20 08:30:57 PM

craigdamage: Nothing wrong with click track. Not an indication of ineptitude as ignorant subby seems to suggest.

Many "pros" use a click.

Rudd from AC/DC never used a click and you can actually tell.

Some of the "tightest" an in the "pocket" AC/DC songs have BPM deviations within the tracks.

Whip out your BOSS "Doctor Rhythm" metronome and tap to the rhythm of the verse and then notice as it speeds up on the chorus. NOT saying Rudd/AC/DC had lousy rhythm. Just saying some like to use a click for total perfection.


....not pathetic and lame like "auto-tune"


And to be fair, Mullen Jr. has to stay on tempo because Clayton sure isn't going to. And if both of them lose it, they'll both be behind The Edge's effect loop, and "that U2 sound" falls apart.

/luv U2, but them's the facts
 
2014-02-20 09:00:14 PM

mjohnson71: Just asking: how do you get access to this?


rickythepenguin: I'll email a few sites to you.


just checked, no email in profile.  your move!
 
2014-02-20 09:13:23 PM

rickythepenguin: mjohnson71: Just asking: how do you get access to this?


U2 is a heavily bootlegged band.  the recent tours, within hours of each show, fan-created recordings were popping up.  some sources suck, some are outstanding.  and as above, the matrix stuff can be pretty farking juice.  SBDs are hard to find but they are out there.  i have a NYC 10/25/01 or so show, just obviously about 6 weeks post 9/11, that is almost wha tyou'd call "commercial quality" soundboard.  and I have Atlanta 3/30/01 that is also not quite commercial, but pretty farking good.


Same goes for video of their shows.  Multiple cam sources, edited together and synced with the matrixed audio and then shared on a U2-centric torrent site.  I've always had serious respect for the community that puts the boots together, so a tip of the hat to you and your pals,  rickythepenguin
 
2014-02-20 10:06:09 PM

spacebar: And to be fair, Mullen Jr. has to stay on tempo because Clayton sure isn't going to. And if both of them lose it, they'll both be behind The Edge's effect loop, and "that U2 sound" falls apart.

/luv U2, but them's the facts


Didn't that happen in the Boston show (the concert dvd from the 2001 tour) where Larry farked up the timing going into the solo on Gone and Edge flipped his shiat and that was why he slid/kicked his guitar across the stage?
 
2014-02-21 12:34:19 AM

somedude210: spacebar: And to be fair, Mullen Jr. has to stay on tempo because Clayton sure isn't going to. And if both of them lose it, they'll both be behind The Edge's effect loop, and "that U2 sound" falls apart.

/luv U2, but them's the facts

Didn't that happen in the Boston show (the concert dvd from the 2001 tour) where Larry farked up the timing going into the solo on Gone and Edge flipped his shiat and that was why he slid/kicked his guitar across the stage?


[videographic citation needed]

// cuz that sounds freakin awesome, not cuz I don't believe you.
/// big u2 fan.
 
2014-02-21 12:35:47 AM

s2s2s2: Is it a musical journey?


You're fav'd. That was awesome.

// 'is film expensive?'
/// ...cut.
 
2014-02-21 12:37:33 AM

rickythepenguin: mjohnson71: Just asking: how do you get access to this?

rickythepenguin: I'll email a few sites to you.

just checked, no email in profile.  your move!


Is your stuff on u2torrents?
 
2014-02-21 05:32:39 AM

Charlie Crews' Zen Master: [videographic citation needed]

// cuz that sounds freakin awesome, not cuz I don't believe you.
/// big u2 fan.


It's the Boston 2001 dvd (official, not bootleg)
 
2014-02-21 08:47:52 AM

Charlie Crews' Zen Master: Is your stuff on u2torrents?


yeah, taht's what i was going to say.  dimeadozen.org has some U2 from time to time, but i'm not sure if they're taking new registrations.

and fark mods, dime and U2 only host non-commercial stuff.  the new hot phrase is "ROIO", or "recordings of independent origin" ( i know, "municipal waste specicialist"...)  the community self-polices to the point where, if a band later commercially releases something, shows with the "offending tracks" are either deleted out of hand or are reposted but without the "offending tracks".  that's pretty basic across all trading fora.

like on archive.org, when the Dead sold the mythical "Vault" to Rhino records circa 2005-2006, all the soundboards that used to be available for download went to streaming only.  why?  because Archive didn't want to be seen as infringing upon Rhino's copyright.
 
2014-02-21 10:18:19 AM

Henry Holland: I'm a huge fan of ELP from 1970-74 and one of the complaints I've heard, especially from drummers, is that "Carl Palmer is always speeding up and slowing down". I think what they mean is that "he doesn't do those fast fills exactly as 32nd notes", he often finishes those fills a tiny bit early or late. ELP in those days practiced so much that by the Brain Salad Surgery tour the three of them were telepathic and the live stuff "breathes" in a way the studio versions doesn't.

If there were click tracks being used live in the early 70's by touring bands, it must have been a very crude system.


I think the first band in the 1970s to use a click was The Who. They needed to keep Moonie in time so that everything would work with the synth loops/samples on the Who's Next songs.  If you watch The Kids Are Alright, you'll see that they've gaffer-taped the headphones to Moon's head during the concert sections filmed for the movie so he couldn't take them off.

/a drummer friend once described what Keith Moon did as "lead drumming"
 
2014-02-21 11:52:09 AM

Already Disturbed: Multiple cam sources, edited together and synced with the matrixed audio and then shared on a U2-centric torrent site. I've always had serious respect for the community that puts the boots together, so a tip of the hat to you and your pals, rickythepenguin


Charlie Crews' Zen Master: Is your stuff on u2torrents?



to clarify, *I* have never taped U2, so "my stuff" isn't on U2torrents but I use that to get shows.  I have posted to etree and dimeadozen (the Cult, Depeche Mode, Calexico) and i'm on a private cloud based system with a few other things.

and disturbed, yeah, i have a Phoenix 2005 DVD with multicam video that, while completely fan made, is outstanding.  the audio was from memory and outstanding audience recording, not a matrix, but the video had fades, closeups, long shots, etc.  it was remarkably professional.  i had another from I think Boston or Dallas that was equally as cool.
 
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