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(The Spectator UK)   You knew it was coming: "Your atheist church is apostate backsliders." "Oh yeah? Well, your atheist church is milquetoast atheism"   (spectator.co.uk) divider line 127
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2014-02-20 11:27:42 AM  
There is already church for Athiests..... UU.

I think this sermon explains is the best.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isiVn2Dnv78
 
2014-02-20 11:40:31 AM  
SPLITTERS!
 
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2014-02-20 11:50:58 AM  
Activists usually are more interested in activism than in whatever their cause is supposed to be.
 
2014-02-20 11:51:58 AM  
"Oh yeah well...go to Hell!"

"Hell doesn't exist!"

"You're damn right it doesn't!"

"What were we arguing about?"

"I dunno....string theory?"
 
2014-02-20 12:56:29 PM  

dletter: There is already church for Athiests..... UU.

I think this sermon explains is the best.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isiVn2Dnv78


It's a mixed bag, some are, some are not, although they are supposed to be welcoming of all.

The one nearby is as non-offensive and nonspecific a flavor of Christianity you can get, but I blame the fact they (according to their current "developmental minister" on their website) cannot seem to get ministers to stick around.
 
2014-02-20 01:38:33 PM  
Tell me how Atheism isn't a Faith Based Religion again.
 
2014-02-20 01:45:26 PM  

fluffy2097: Tell me how Atheism isn't a Faith Based Religion again.


faith
fāTH/
noun
noun: faith
    1.    a. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
    "this restores one's faith in politicians"
    synonyms:    trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
    optimism, hopefulness, hope
    "he justified his boss's faith in him"
    antonyms:    mistrust
    2.    a. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
    synonyms:    religion, church, sect, denomination, (religious) persuasion, (religious) belief, ideology, creed, teaching, doctrine More
    "she gave her life for her faith"
        b. a system of religious belief.
        plural noun: faiths
        "the Christian faith"
        c. a strongly held belief or theory.
        "the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe"


You might be able to use 2c, but I doubt it.
 
2014-02-20 01:49:50 PM  
This sort of thing has been a problem within the organization of American Atheists for quite some time. You may as well just start the "Organization of People who Enjoy Nitpicking and Criticizing Everything Other People Say, and Arguing Over Word Definition Technicalities" - and see how well that group gets along internally.
 
2014-02-20 01:51:13 PM  

fluffy2097: Tell me how Atheism isn't a Faith Based Religion again.


Well I certainly don't have any faith in your ability to understand the answer to your question.
 
2014-02-20 01:54:27 PM  
As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.
 
2014-02-20 02:01:21 PM  

fluffy2097: Tell me how Atheism isn't a Faith Based Religion again.


First of all, if there's not some huckster with a supposed hot line to a deity angling for some cash, it can't be a religion.
 
2014-02-20 02:06:49 PM  
"Atheist churches" is a wonderful oxymoron.
 
2014-02-20 02:07:28 PM  

meat0918: dletter: There is already church for Athiests..... UU.

I think this sermon explains is the best.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isiVn2Dnv78

It's a mixed bag, some are, some are not, although they are supposed to be welcoming of all.

The one nearby is as non-offensive and nonspecific a flavor of Christianity you can get, but I blame the fact they (according to their current "developmental minister" on their website) cannot seem to get ministers to stick around.


I'm sure that is true.... just like any denomination, you have churches across a spectrum of how they fall "in line" with what the "top" espouses.

If I started going to church though, the one local to me sounds like they are pretty open/liberal... and that link I sent is from a congregation in Kansas, so, if that is how a UU church is in Kansas, then, I'm guessing most are pretty welcoming than not.

Of course, you have to be open as well as an atheist.... if you are not open to discussions and your whole thing is about trying to convert everyone you see to atheism, then, UU isn't probably for you anyway.
 
2014-02-20 02:14:33 PM  
I think I'll start a church that worships the Eight Divines.  We can throw things at the Talos worshippers.
 
2014-02-20 02:14:39 PM  

PainInTheASP: SPLITTERS!


We're done here.
 
2014-02-20 02:15:26 PM  
SURNAMES!
 
2014-02-20 02:18:46 PM  
Isn't this just human nature, though?

I'd still rather have people quibbling over the logical discrepancies in a secular world view, than arguing over who's deity is sending who to eternal damnation for thinking impure thoughts.  The stakes are a hell of a lot lower.
 
2014-02-20 02:21:25 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-20 02:25:02 PM  
Atheist churches are farking stupid ...no matter how you slice it.
 
2014-02-20 02:26:34 PM  

Perlin Noise: Atheist churches are farking stupid ...no matter how you slice it.


We used to call that an Elks club.
 
2014-02-20 02:28:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.


Haven't you ever lived in the bible belt? I did.... I can understand it.
 
2014-02-20 02:30:13 PM  

machoprogrammer: [i.imgur.com image 489x408]


content6.flixster.com
www.empireonline.com
 
2014-02-20 02:33:09 PM  
static3.wikia.nocookie.net

Approves.
 
2014-02-20 02:35:33 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.


They're just as lonely and weak as many religious people. If you need to be social, pick a farking hobby that you can enjoy with others, being atheist isn't a hobby.
 
2014-02-20 02:36:35 PM  
Why can't atheists just form their own eagle/elk/moose/beaver lodge and have it at that? You can still get together and talk about your squishy feelings over cheap beer and pancakes.
 
2014-02-20 02:38:38 PM  

mongbiohazard: HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.

Haven't you ever lived in the bible belt? I did.... I can understand it.


I guess I can't really say I'm a Christian (more like an agnostic Jesusist theist- big on the J Man but not so much on dogma), but as a guy that lives in the Bible Belt (well... its upper edge), I can tell you that organizing people in the name of some cause where beliefs are deeply held usually doesn't go well. Religious, non-religious... doesn't work. People get in their own echo chambers and get a little too confident that their ways are best.

It's taking what's supposed to be a skeptical attitude and makes it to where you're supposed to be skeptical of everything  but the movement of skeptics.

/skeptics
 
2014-02-20 02:41:02 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: "Atheist churches" is a wonderful oxymoron.


isn't gheyfarkchan /b/ an atheist church?

let's all bow our heads

as we pass around the collection plate for your $5/month

ramen
 
2014-02-20 02:43:03 PM  

mongbiohazard: HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.

Haven't you ever lived in the bible belt? I did.... I can understand it.


I did some time in Ohio...but I've been in the North East most of my life.

I guess if god was all anyone wanted to talk about it might become attractive...but it would still feel like getting together to talk about god. When I am with other people that are atheists, we don't talk about it. Not much to discuss, really.
 
2014-02-20 02:44:24 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: "Atheist churches" is a wonderful oxymoron.


Heck, I thought not going to church was huge perk for an atheist.
 
2014-02-20 02:47:37 PM  
Atheist church? Way too edgy for me.
 
2014-02-20 02:47:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.


No, shiat. I've gone to several different atheist groups meet and greets. The one thing I've come away from those is, we are a pack of farking assholes. I may poke fun at Christians on the internet, on an anonymous message board (like Fark or Reddit), but in real life or up close and personal? Hell no.

As long as religious folks leave me alone, I'll leave them alone. 

Marine1: mongbiohazard: HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.

Haven't you ever lived in the bible belt? I did.... I can understand it.

I guess I can't really say I'm a Christian (more like an agnostic Jesusist theist- big on the J Man but not so much on dogma), but as a guy that lives in the Bible Belt (well... its upper edge), I can tell you that organizing people in the name of some cause where beliefs are deeply held usually doesn't go well. Religious, non-religious... doesn't work. People get in their own echo chambers and get a little too confident that their ways are best.

It's taking what's supposed to be a skeptical attitude and makes it to where you're supposed to be skeptical of everything  but the movement of skeptics.

/skeptics


Atheism is not skepticism, it is just the statement there are no gods. You can believe in magic, ghosts, and snot monsters as long as you don't believe in gods and still be an atheist.
 
2014-02-20 02:48:42 PM  

I drunk what: Galileo's Daughter: "Atheist churches" is a wonderful oxymoron.

isn't gheyfarkchan /b/ an atheist church?


Don't know; don't ever visit /b/.

SansNeural: Heck, I thought not going to church was huge perk for an atheist.


So did I.  I guess sleeping in on Sunday is overrated.
 
2014-02-20 02:50:26 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Don't know; don't ever visit /b/.


you're posting in it, it's a web site
 
2014-02-20 02:50:56 PM  
Huh. Considerably light on the trolling so far.
 
2014-02-20 02:52:52 PM  

grumpfuff: Huh. Considerably light on the trolling so far.


Patience.  The day is still young.
 
2014-02-20 02:53:37 PM  
milquetoast atheism

Agnostics, then?
 
2014-02-20 02:56:11 PM  

meat0918: faith
fāTH/
noun
noun: faith
    1.    a. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.


FOR SCIENCE!

plus we own logic and reason

/it's not for storytellers
 
2014-02-20 02:56:13 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: "Atheist churches" is a wonderful oxymoron.


They would have called it a "salon", but people kept on coming in looking to get their hair done.
 
2014-02-20 02:59:17 PM  

SansNeural: grumpfuff: Huh. Considerably light on the trolling so far.

Patience.  The day is still young.


Oh I know. In fact, my comment will probably draw a few more out. So far there's only one of the usual suspects.
 
2014-02-20 03:04:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.


This. In fact - get the f**k away from me.
 
2014-02-20 03:04:55 PM  
HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.


As a misanthropist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group.
 
2014-02-20 03:04:59 PM  

meat0918: fluffy2097: Tell me how Atheism isn't a Faith Based Religion again.

faith
fāTH/
noun
noun: faith
    1.    a. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
    "this restores one's faith in politicians"
    synonyms:    trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
    optimism, hopefulness, hope
    "he justified his boss's faith in him"
    antonyms:    mistrust
    2.    a. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
    synonyms:    religion, church, sect, denomination, (religious) persuasion, (religious) belief, ideology, creed, teaching, doctrine More
    "she gave her life for her faith"
        b. a system of religious belief.
        plural noun: faiths
        "the Christian faith"
        c. a strongly held belief or theory.
        "the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe"


You might be able to use 2c, but I doubt it.


Actually he could by ignoring the example shown.  Also 2c could apply to Libertarianism.
 
2014-02-20 03:06:08 PM  

ArkPanda: I think I'll start a church that worships the Eight Divines.  We can throw things at the Talos worshippers.


It's all fun and games until Alduin shows up.
 
2014-02-20 03:06:45 PM  

grumpfuff: SansNeural: grumpfuff: Huh. Considerably light on the trolling so far.

Patience.  The day is still young.

Oh I know. In fact, my comment will probably draw a few more out. So far there's only one of the usual suspects.


Trolling is a religion.
 
2014-02-20 03:15:00 PM  

fluffy2097: Tell me how Atheism isn't a Faith Based Religion again.


Sure. Atheism is "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."

Religion is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods."

Those two are mutually exclusive.

If you are trying to argue that someone who is an atheist can't DISPROVE the existence of god, and thereby has "faith" that god doesn't exist, which means it's is a religion, that's just simply not correct and you don't understand what you're talking about.

Me, personally, I don't think there is a god.  I have no idea if there is or isn't. No one does. In that manner I am agnostic (which we all know is NOT on the same axis as atheism). So, as an agnostic atheist who understands that I can't know, I just stopped wondering about it. I go about my life and never think about the subject unless asked. Or, perhaps, if someone tries to tell me my rights somehow hinge on their belief of god-- in which case I will have a very spirited debate while wondering how can they be so foolish to believe that, let alone actually believe in gods.
 
2014-02-20 03:15:21 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.

 
2014-02-20 03:17:19 PM  

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=Smidge=
 
2014-02-20 03:18:18 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.

No, shiat. I've gone to several different atheist groups meet and greets. The one thing I've come away from those is, we are a pack of farking assholes. I may poke fun at Christians on the internet, on an anonymous message board (like Fark or Reddit), but in real life or up close and personal? Hell no.

As long as religious folks leave me alone, I'll leave them alone.  Marine1: mongbiohazard: HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.

Haven't you ever lived in the bible belt? I did.... I can understand it.

I guess I can't really say I'm a Christian (more like an agnostic Jesusist theist- big on the J Man but not so much on dogma), but as a guy that lives in the Bible Belt (well... its upper edge), I can tell you that organizing people in the name of some cause where beliefs are deeply held usually doesn't go well. Religious, non-religious... doesn't work. People get in their own echo chambers and get a little too confident that their ways are best.

It's taking what's supposed to be a skeptical attitude and makes it to where you're supposed to be skeptical of everything  but the movement of skeptics.

/skeptics

Atheism is not skepticism, it is just the statement there are no gods. You can believe in magic, ghosts, and snot monsters as long as you don't believe in gods and still be an atheist.


Do any of them take that line?
 
2014-02-20 03:24:10 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: mongbiohazard: HotWingConspiracy: As an atheist, I can't really comprehend the desire to group with other atheists.

Haven't you ever lived in the bible belt? I did.... I can understand it.

I did some time in Ohio...but I've been in the North East most of my life.

I guess if god was all anyone wanted to talk about it might become attractive...but it would still feel like getting together to talk about god. When I am with other people that are atheists, we don't talk about it. Not much to discuss, really.


People in the bible belt can be absolutely nasty and openly hostile to atheists. Not only that, and not just coincidentally, there's also pretty much always someone trying to beat you over the head about religion. It gets farking tedious. For instance, multiple times I'd be sitting down to some shiatty fast food meal after a long day of work at my shiatty job, and some bible-thumpers were interrupting me to try and convert me... and they often don't take a polite, "No thanks" for an answer either. And all I wanted was to scarf down a couple of tacos in peace while I decompress, and now you got these people being dicks to you and not letting you just eat your farking meal in peace.

And then think that many of those people constantly harrassing you to convert are actually family members... The social pressures can be absolutely crushing in a place where just because you don't believe in god most people automatically assume you're a terrible human being by definition.

So yeah, I could completely understand people in those places wanting to get together for a little moral support. Completely.
 
2014-02-20 03:30:55 PM  
The idea of co-opting the religious approach in creating and reinforcing social bonds is fine. I don't have a problem with looking for like minded individuals to have fun and agree with.

As for atheists disagreeing with each other, of course we do, we are still human.
 
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