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2014-02-20 08:55:53 AM  
desertbeacon.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-20 09:17:46 AM  
catholicphoenix.com
 
2014-02-20 09:24:02 AM  
Well, that eased my mind quite a lot. I had heard rumors of a global gall shortage.
 
2014-02-20 09:30:07 AM  
If letting children starve is the kinda morals you get from the bible then I need no further proof that it is no authority on said subject.
 
2014-02-20 09:31:41 AM  
Conservatives vs the church...someone pass the popcorn!
 
2014-02-20 09:32:17 AM  
FTFA:
He said it was "wrong" that people are "trapped in a cycle of dependency" or to "reward" people who can work but do not.

I didn't realize that Fox News was broadcast in England....
 
2014-02-20 09:33:27 AM  
I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?
 
2014-02-20 09:33:31 AM  
or to "reward" people who can work but do not

The investment class?
 
2014-02-20 09:35:57 AM  

kidgenius: FTFA:
He said it was "wrong" that people are "trapped in a cycle of dependency" or to "reward" people who can work but do not.

I didn't realize that Fox News was broadcast in England....


Rupert Murdoch's been doing business in the UK for a long time.
 
2014-02-20 09:38:40 AM  
And Walmart's profits just took a hit because food stamps were lowered here in the states. It seems like a lose lose lose view no matter how you slice it.
 
2014-02-20 09:38:55 AM  

Arkanaut: kidgenius: FTFA:
He said it was "wrong" that people are "trapped in a cycle of dependency" or to "reward" people who can work but do not.

I didn't realize that Fox News was broadcast in England....

Rupert Murdoch's been doing business in the UK for a long time.


I think the attitude came from European lords in the first place.
 
2014-02-20 09:39:14 AM  
Three videos on that page and the third one is the one that autoplays?
 
2014-02-20 09:39:32 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-20 09:40:55 AM  

Dalrint: I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?


Their logic works like this:  "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  Teach him to fish, and he'll eat forever".  Basically, if you cut off the "Live for free" mentality, you're actually doing them a favor, like kicking out the young adult-child living for free in your home who won't get a job and support himself.

It all stems from the belief that everyone (or at least the vast majority) of those receiving public assistance are lazy and caught in a 'gimme' loop, which they think they're breaking by cutting off their food supply, thus forcing them to scavenge for themselves.
 
2014-02-20 09:42:23 AM  
There is no god but ConservaGod, and Ayn Rand is his prophet.
 
2014-02-20 09:44:15 AM  

Dalrint: I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?


it's the just world fallacy. we live in a just universe where everyone gets what they deserve, therefore the poors are poor because they deserve it
 
2014-02-20 09:44:46 AM  

Jackson Herring:


Does that represent the bowl of dicks you suggest that he ingest?
 
2014-02-20 09:46:11 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Jackson Herring:

Does that represent the bowl of dicks you suggest that he ingest?


I was wondering..
 
2014-02-20 09:48:42 AM  

Alphax: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Jackson Herring:

Does that represent the bowl of dicks you suggest that he ingest?

I was wondering..


woah get a load of these guys, they get jokes
 
2014-02-20 09:57:42 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [desertbeacon.files.wordpress.com image 314x254]


What I love about that series is that it's a Jew - Al Franken - who put into stark relief some of the insanity that gets put in the mouth of a hippie socialist (with an odd strain of social conservatism, but hardly out of step with the times).

// and as I recall, it came in Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot after he relates a tale of how he schooled...Ralph Reed? on the Parable of the Talents
// have questions about your faith? Don't ask a man of the cloth, unless he's of a different faith
// triangulation works as well for philosophy as it does for news-gathering
 
2014-02-20 09:58:24 AM  

A Cave Geek: Dalrint: I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?

Their logic works like this:  "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  Teach him to fish, and he'll eat forever".  Basically, if you cut off the "Live for free" mentality, you're actually doing them a favor, like kicking out the young adult-child living for free in your home who won't get a job and support himself.

It all stems from the belief that everyone (or at least the vast majority) of those receiving public assistance are lazy and caught in a 'gimme' loop, which they think they're breaking by cutting off their food supply, thus forcing them to scavenge for themselves.


The problem is, it's complete and utter horseshiat... the same can be shown in the US as well. The 'welfare class' is a myth conservatives tell themselves to help feel better about hating the poor.
 
2014-02-20 10:00:37 AM  
Mama Cameron wishes David would visit more often or at least send a check once in a while so she could quit one of her day jobs, but he's too busy being Tory asshole.

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2014-02-20 10:05:26 AM  

kidgenius: FTFA:
He said it was "wrong" that people are "trapped in a cycle of dependency" or to "reward" people who can work but do not.

I didn't realize that Fox News was broadcast in England....


Cameron spent a lot of time working with the Bush administration to learn the secrets of their success.

That is not a joke.
 
2014-02-20 10:05:38 AM  

Cletus from Canuckistan: A Cave Geek: Dalrint: I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?

Their logic works like this:  "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  Teach him to fish, and he'll eat forever".  Basically, if you cut off the "Live for free" mentality, you're actually doing them a favor, like kicking out the young adult-child living for free in your home who won't get a job and support himself.

It all stems from the belief that everyone (or at least the vast majority) of those receiving public assistance are lazy and caught in a 'gimme' loop, which they think they're breaking by cutting off their food supply, thus forcing them to scavenge for themselves.

The problem is, it's complete and utter horseshiat... the same can be shown in the US as well. The 'welfare class' is a myth conservatives tell themselves to help feel better about hating the poor.


I didn't say the logic was sound, or even valid.  It's not.  In some isolated (individual) cases, perhaps...but not in the realm of public policy.  It's been disproven over and over, and conservatives are well known for their "disinclination to believe evidence".
 
2014-02-20 10:07:48 AM  

Cletus from Canuckistan: A Cave Geek: Dalrint: I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?

Their logic works like this:  "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  Teach him to fish, and he'll eat forever".  Basically, if you cut off the "Live for free" mentality, you're actually doing them a favor, like kicking out the young adult-child living for free in your home who won't get a job and support himself.

It all stems from the belief that everyone (or at least the vast majority) of those receiving public assistance are lazy and caught in a 'gimme' loop, which they think they're breaking by cutting off their food supply, thus forcing them to scavenge for themselves.

The problem is, it's complete and utter horseshiat... the same can be shown in the US as well. The 'welfare class' is a myth conservatives tell themselves to help feel better about hating the poor.


I don't think A Cave Geek was implying that this was an *ACCURATE* view of the world. He was just saying that is what these people *believe*.
 
2014-02-20 10:09:52 AM  
You know things are truly going to shiat when the church starts to look like the good guys.
 
2014-02-20 10:17:47 AM  
I'm guessing that England hasn't recovered well from the economic collapse and that there's friction between the have-little and have-less crowd that can be mined for political advantage.

/amirite?
//you can always hire one half the poor to shoot the other half
 
2014-02-20 10:29:35 AM  
He should make a summer blockbuster movie with cool special effects about it.
 
2014-02-20 10:30:06 AM  

yakmans_dad: I'm guessing that England hasn't recovered well from the economic collapse and that there's friction between the have-little and have-less crowd that can be mined for political advantage.

/amirite?
//you can always hire one half the poor to shoot the other half


Even the IMF told Osborne and Cameron to lay off the austerity because it was hurting the economy.

They are classic "I just want to punish people" conservatives who used the economic conditions to attack people they dislike. The overall impact on the economy as a whole was negative.

Further evidence that the maxim "there's no such thing as a moral conservative politician" extends beyond national borders.
 
2014-02-20 10:43:06 AM  
jensorensen.com
 
2014-02-20 10:45:02 AM  

A Cave Geek: Dalrint: I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?

Their logic works like this:  "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  Teach him to fish, and he'll eat forever".  Basically, if you cut off the "Live for free" mentality, you're actually doing them a favor, like kicking out the young adult-child living for free in your home who won't get a job and support himself.


And what if all the lakes and streams are privately owned by billionaires and corporations, so no one but the rich are allowed to fish?
 
2014-02-20 10:50:20 AM  
FTFA:

"Mr Cameron insisted that no one would be left destitute by the welfare reforms and said the claim that the basic safety net no longer exists was untrue. "Let's get the facts straight," he said. "Yes, we made the difficult but correct decision that benefits shouldn't go up faster than wages, but the safety net remains in place."

So does anyone have any data on the actual cuts and just how many poors will die in the street? Or is this simpley leftest hand wringing and  pearl clutching?
 
2014-02-20 10:54:07 AM  

Danger Mouse: FTFA:

"Mr Cameron insisted that no one would be left destitute by the welfare reforms and said the claim that the basic safety net no longer exists was untrue. "Let's get the facts straight," he said. "Yes, we made the difficult but correct decision that benefits shouldn't go up faster than wages, but the safety net remains in place."

So does anyone have any data on the actual cuts and just how many poors will die in the street? Or is this simpley leftest hand wringing and  pearl clutching?


libs libs libs!  Sounds like you are one step away from a case of the vapors.
 
2014-02-20 10:54:50 AM  

Danger Mouse: FTFA:

"Mr Cameron insisted that no one would be left destitute by the welfare reforms and said the claim that the basic safety net no longer exists was untrue. "Let's get the facts straight," he said. "Yes, we made the difficult but correct decision that benefits shouldn't go up faster than wages, but the safety net remains in place."

So does anyone have any data on the actual cuts and just how many poors will die in the street? Or is this simpley leftest hand wringing and  pearl clutching?


Find it yourself, lazy ass. Cameron is frowning upon you.
 
2014-02-20 10:55:00 AM  
If I read the article correctly they are not cutting benifits, but cutting how much they should increase by.

Typical Liberal hysteria.
 
2014-02-20 10:58:22 AM  

2 grams: If I read the article correctly they are not cutting benifits, but cutting how much they should increase by.

Typical Liberal hysteria.


You think that makes any difference?
 
2014-02-20 10:58:52 AM  

TV's Vinnie: A Cave Geek: Dalrint: I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?

Their logic works like this:  "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  Teach him to fish, and he'll eat forever".  Basically, if you cut off the "Live for free" mentality, you're actually doing them a favor, like kicking out the young adult-child living for free in your home who won't get a job and support himself.

And what if all the lakes and streams are privately owned by billionaires and corporations, so no one but the rich are allowed to fish?


Then they'll scream "Freedom", have a childish hissy fit, complain that their rights are being infringed, donate a tiny fraction of a percent of the fish to their college buddy's charity, (who'll take an 80% cut) and issue a press release about how "generous" they are.
 
2014-02-20 11:03:25 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: FTFA:

"Mr Cameron insisted that no one would be left destitute by the welfare reforms and said the claim that the basic safety net no longer exists was untrue. "Let's get the facts straight," he said. "Yes, we made the difficult but correct decision that benefits shouldn't go up faster than wages, but the safety net remains in place."

So does anyone have any data on the actual cuts and just how many poors will die in the street? Or is this simpley leftest hand wringing and  pearl clutching?

Find it yourself, lazy ass. Cameron is frowning upon you.


So that would be a "No".
 
2014-02-20 11:16:24 AM  

Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: FTFA:

"Mr Cameron insisted that no one would be left destitute by the welfare reforms and said the claim that the basic safety net no longer exists was untrue. "Let's get the facts straight," he said. "Yes, we made the difficult but correct decision that benefits shouldn't go up faster than wages, but the safety net remains in place."

So does anyone have any data on the actual cuts and just how many poors will die in the street? Or is this simpley leftest hand wringing and  pearl clutching?

Find it yourself, lazy ass. Cameron is frowning upon you.

So that would be a "No".



DM, "I assume X. If you assume Y, you have to prove it.  If you do not prove it for my lazy/ignorant/trolling self, then that proves me right by default. DEFAULT DEFAULT!"
 
2014-02-20 11:18:02 AM  

Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: FTFA:

"Mr Cameron insisted that no one would be left destitute by the welfare reforms and said the claim that the basic safety net no longer exists was untrue. "Let's get the facts straight," he said. "Yes, we made the difficult but correct decision that benefits shouldn't go up faster than wages, but the safety net remains in place."

So does anyone have any data on the actual cuts and just how many poors will die in the street? Or is this simpley leftest hand wringing and  pearl clutching?

Find it yourself, lazy ass. Cameron is frowning upon you.

So that would be a "No".


I'm just not in to rewarding people that can work but do not. I'm sure you understand.
 
2014-02-20 11:18:20 AM  

Dalrint: I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?


Easy:  giving people free stuff keeps them from having to be self-sufficient.  It's like giving crack to kids: once they get hooked, it's really hard to ween themselves off.  In effect, it creates a quasi-slavery, where the poor are forced to depend on the government for everything.  The only reason that Democrats do it is because they know by keeping the poor in such servitude, they'll vote for Democrats.*

(*Ok, maybe we don't quite have data to show that welfare benefits actively discourage looking for work.  And maybe we don't have data to show that the poor vote in any kind of significant numbers.  But the theory makes perfect sense, so we should probably just assume it's Gospel.)
 
2014-02-20 11:22:52 AM  

Smackledorfer: DEFAULT DEFAULT!


The two sweetest words in the English language: de-fault! De-fault!
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2014-02-20 11:50:06 AM  

TV's Vinnie: A Cave Geek: Dalrint: I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?

Their logic works like this:  "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  Teach him to fish, and he'll eat forever".  Basically, if you cut off the "Live for free" mentality, you're actually doing them a favor, like kicking out the young adult-child living for free in your home who won't get a job and support himself.

And what if all the lakes and streams are privately owned by billionaires and corporations, so no one but the rich are allowed to fish?


The rich earned those lakes and streams! You're just jealous of their success, you socialist!
 
2014-02-20 11:53:09 AM  

kidgenius: FTFA:
He said it was "wrong" that people are "trapped in a cycle of dependency" or to "reward" people who can work but do not.

I didn't realize that Fox News was broadcast in England....


What is this continual boner for 'work'? If all I can get is flipping burgers, working at Walmart, or anything otherwise harming my fellow man or dimishing our society and culture.. Why not kick down a basic wage so I can paint or write or hike and bike?
 
2014-02-20 11:53:43 AM  

yakmans_dad: I'm guessing that England hasn't recovered well from the economic collapse and that there's friction between the have-little and have-less crowd that can be mined for political advantage.

/amirite?
//you can always hire one half the poor to shoot the other half


London is fast becoming a playground solely for the rich.

Entire neighborhoods have become empty of people as Russian/Chinese oligarchs have purchased pied-a-tires they visit a few times a year.
 
2014-02-20 11:59:53 AM  

mcreadyblue: yakmans_dad: I'm guessing that England hasn't recovered well from the economic collapse and that there's friction between the have-little and have-less crowd that can be mined for political advantage.

/amirite?
//you can always hire one half the poor to shoot the other half

London is fast becoming a playground solely for the rich.

Entire neighborhoods have become empty of people as Russian/Chinese oligarchs have purchased pied-a-tires they visit a few times a year.


Off street parking?
 
2014-02-20 12:08:16 PM  
Maggie, Maggie Milk-Snatcher only wishes she could have worn David Cameron's trousers for a day.
 
2014-02-20 12:26:56 PM  

2 grams: If I read the article correctly they are not cutting benifits, but cutting how much they should increase by.

Typical Liberal hysteria.


You're about 4,534 grams short on the cheese with this alt.

HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: FTFA:

"Mr Cameron insisted that no one would be left destitute by the welfare reforms and said the claim that the basic safety net no longer exists was untrue. "Let's get the facts straight," he said. "Yes, we made the difficult but correct decision that benefits shouldn't go up faster than wages, but the safety net remains in place."

So does anyone have any data on the actual cuts and just how many poors will die in the street? Or is this simpley leftest hand wringing and  pearl clutching?

Find it yourself, lazy ass. Cameron is frowning upon you.

So that would be a "No".

I'm just not in to rewarding people that can work but do not. I'm sure you understand.


ohsnapflowchart.jpg
 
2014-02-20 12:50:46 PM  

TV's Vinnie: A Cave Geek: Dalrint: I'm always fascinated by this belief that starving people, or kicking them out onto the street, is somehow moral and not, in fact, evil.

Can one of the Fark Independents please explain this to me?

Their logic works like this:  "Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  Teach him to fish, and he'll eat forever".  Basically, if you cut off the "Live for free" mentality, you're actually doing them a favor, like kicking out the young adult-child living for free in your home who won't get a job and support himself.

And what if all the lakes and streams are privately owned by billionaires and corporations, so no one but the rich are allowed to fish?


Then you do what Jesus would do, turn the other cheek, love your enemy, be meek, die poor. Then you'll have your treasure in heaven.
This is your Jesus. This is your Christianity.
 
2014-02-20 02:10:51 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: FTFA:

"Mr Cameron insisted that no one would be left destitute by the welfare reforms and said the claim that the basic safety net no longer exists was untrue. "Let's get the facts straight," he said. "Yes, we made the difficult but correct decision that benefits shouldn't go up faster than wages, but the safety net remains in place."

So does anyone have any data on the actual cuts and just how many poors will die in the street? Or is this simpley leftest hand wringing and  pearl clutching?

Find it yourself, lazy ass. Cameron is frowning upon you.

So that would be a "No".

I'm just not in to rewarding people that can work but do not. I'm sure you understand.


Oh snap.jpg
 
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