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(The Daily Beast)   Perennial losing consultant Bob Shrum thinks that Hillary Clinton is an absolute shoo in to be our next president and that we probably shouldn't even bother having an election in 2016   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 82
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2014-02-20 08:51:51 AM  
Jesus, Bob, why don't you just hand her a crown and scepter?

A well fought campaign is healthy for our democracy.  Let her earn the nomination.
 
2014-02-20 09:02:03 AM  
has bob schrum ever been on a winning campaign? seriously.
 
2014-02-20 09:08:11 AM  

Diogenes: Let her earn the nomination.


yeah, like Palin.
 
2014-02-20 09:13:01 AM  

vudukungfu: Diogenes: Let her earn the nomination.

yeah, like Palin.


Christie's kneecapped, and it appears Scott Walker's going down the same path now.  There may be no one left to challenge her.
 
2014-02-20 09:20:50 AM  
So Paul Ryan Vs. Hillary Clinton. Yuck.
 
2014-02-20 09:43:48 AM  

Diogenes: Let her earn the nomination.


I'm less inclined to believe there's any meritocracy to our nation than you, but democrats are still much less likely to go in for the "default" candidate than republicans, and the propensity of pundits to call elections before debates(that's usually my cutoff for my own vote) is why they should all ingest potassium cyanide.
 
2014-02-20 09:49:09 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: So Paul Ryan Vs. Hillary Clinton. Yuck.


More like Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton.
 
2014-02-20 09:50:12 AM  
Every time we have this thread(and we do, quite regularly), I always invite the nay-sayers to offer up a name, any name, of anyone that they believe will beat Hillary Clinton in the national election.

I have yet to have anyone offer up a name.
 
2014-02-20 09:51:49 AM  

ikanreed: Diogenes: Let her earn the nomination.

I'm less inclined to believe there's any meritocracy to our nation than you, but democrats are still much less likely to go in for the "default" candidate than republicans, and the propensity of pundits to call elections before debates(that's usually my cutoff for my own vote) is why they should all ingest potassium cyanide.


I tend to agree.  That's why this Hillary fait accompli bugs me.  The GOP often goes with the candidate whose "turn" it is.  I don't want to see that happen with her.
 
2014-02-20 09:53:29 AM  

Infernalist: Every time we have this thread(and we do, quite regularly), I always invite the nay-sayers to offer up a name, any name, of anyone that they believe will beat Hillary Clinton in the national election.

I have yet to have anyone offer up a name.


Warren, perhaps?  We don't even know who's running, because it's Febuary 2014, dipshiat.
 
2014-02-20 09:54:00 AM  
How this guy continues to get work is unexplainable, kind of like Donna Brazile.
 
2014-02-20 09:54:17 AM  

Infernalist: Every time we have this thread(and we do, quite regularly), I always invite the nay-sayers to offer up a name, any name, of anyone that they believe will beat Hillary Clinton in the national election.

I have yet to have anyone offer up a name.

 
2014-02-20 09:54:31 AM  
People were saying the same thing in 2008.
 
2014-02-20 09:55:07 AM  

Ok,

Infernalist: Every time we have this thread(and we do, quite regularly), I always invite the nay-sayers to offer up a name, any name, of anyone that they believe will beat Hillary Clinton in the national election.


I have yet to have anyone offer up a name.



upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-20 09:55:26 AM  

ikanreed: Infernalist: Every time we have this thread(and we do, quite regularly), I always invite the nay-sayers to offer up a name, any name, of anyone that they believe will beat Hillary Clinton in the national election.

I have yet to have anyone offer up a name.

Warren, perhaps?  We don't even know who's running, because it's Febuary 2014, dipshiat.


LOL no.  No, she won't.  Now, if that's the best you can do, run along.  Or insult me again, it'll make what follows even easier.
 
2014-02-20 09:55:40 AM  

what_now: Infernalist: Every time we have this thread(and we do, quite regularly), I always invite the nay-sayers to offer up a name, any name, of anyone that they believe will beat Hillary Clinton in the national election.

I have yet to have anyone offer up a name.


Except the people who do, and you just ignored, and the fact that we don't even know who's considering running, because, again, there's a damn national election between now and the primaries.
 
2014-02-20 09:55:43 AM  

Aldon: Bareefer Obonghit: So Paul Ryan Vs. Hillary Clinton. Yuck.

More like Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton.


Why would you do that to me?
 
2014-02-20 09:55:52 AM  
She hasn't even said she is running. In fact, she seems to have gone home, so shut up about Hilary 2016 already.

Besides, would you really feel comfortable voting for someone who had to resign arguably the third highest office in the land because of a rapid succession of health issues brought on by stress? If McCain's campaign was hurt by his advanced age and health fears (and who would get the presidency if he croaked) then I don't think Hilary's chances are any better.

/And that "I'm going to win anyway" arrogance is what cost her the nomination in 2008.
 
2014-02-20 09:56:34 AM  

what_now: Ok, Infernalist: Every time we have this thread(and we do, quite regularly), I always invite the nay-sayers to offer up a name, any name, of anyone that they believe will beat Hillary Clinton in the national election.
I have yet to have anyone offer up a name.

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LOL no.  She might get a cabinet position, but no, she won't win the nomination.

And if you'll read my post, I was referring to the national election, not the nomination process.
 
2014-02-20 09:56:58 AM  

Infernalist: LOL no. No, she won't. Now, if that's the best you can do, run along. Or insult me again, it'll make what follows even easier.


Hey look, Infernalist makes an assertion that's contrary to reality then ignores contrary evidence.  That's totally new an interesting.
 
2014-02-20 09:59:06 AM  
Some farkers are pretending HC isn't going to run or pretending she's not the next president. What democracy? The Bilderbergers have already decided.
 
2014-02-20 09:59:57 AM  

ikanreed: Infernalist: LOL no. No, she won't. Now, if that's the best you can do, run along. Or insult me again, it'll make what follows even easier.

Hey look, Infernalist makes an assertion that's contrary to reality then ignores contrary evidence.  That's totally new an interesting.


There's no need to get mad, bro.  lol
 
2014-02-20 10:00:16 AM  

Infernalist: LOL no. No, she won't. Now, if that's the best you can do, run along. Or insult me again, it'll make what follows even easier.


Again, I bring up Elizabeth Warren. Like I do in every damn thread where someone anoints Hillary Clinton.

Do you know when Barack Obama announced he would run for President? February of 2007. That's 20 months before the election.

It is now 32 months before the election. That's more than two and a half years.

Why don't we see how the elections this year turn out, before we start making predictions about elections that take place two and a half years away?
 
2014-02-20 10:01:50 AM  

oryx: Some farkers are pretending HC isn't going to run or pretending she's not the next president. What democracy? The Bilderbergers have already decided.


A gold wrapped baby in every pot!
 
2014-02-20 10:01:51 AM  

LoneWolf343: She hasn't even said she is running. In fact, she seems to have gone home, so shut up about Hilary 2016 already.

Besides, would you really feel comfortable voting for someone who had to resign arguably the third highest office in the land because of a rapid succession of health issues brought on by stress? If McCain's campaign was hurt by his advanced age and health fears (and who would get the presidency if he croaked) then I don't think Hilary's chances are any better.

/And that "I'm going to win anyway" arrogance is what cost her the nomination in 2008.


You sound concerned.
 
2014-02-20 10:02:04 AM  

Infernalist: LOL no. She might get a cabinet position, but no, she won't win the nomination.


Why? Because Hillary Clinton some how became a better candidate in the last decade? She somehow became more palatable to liberals? She didn't.

We didn't want her in 2008, we don't want her now, and we won't want her in 2016.
 
2014-02-20 10:04:47 AM  

what_now: Infernalist: LOL no. She might get a cabinet position, but no, she won't win the nomination.

Why? Because Hillary Clinton some how became a better candidate in the last decade? She somehow became more palatable to liberals? She didn't.

We didn't want her in 2008, we don't want her now, and we won't want her in 2016.


We didn't get her in 2008 because of Obama.  Unless a new star pops up in 2016, it'll be Hillary.  I'm not saying this is good or bad, I'm just saying 'this is what will happen.'

So, while it's theoretically possible for someone else to be the DNC nominee in 2016, it's just not very probable.  At all.  Ms. Warren will get a cabinet position and possibly run in 2024.
 
2014-02-20 10:05:33 AM  

ikanreed: We don't even know who's running, because it's Febuary 2014, dipshiat.


Goddamn, this. At least wait until after the mid-terms, for christ's sake.
 
2014-02-20 10:05:34 AM  

Infernalist: There's no need to get mad, bro. lol


"Hey I'm just being a shiatty person shiatting up threads, but don't get mad at me for being a shiathead."
 
2014-02-20 10:07:47 AM  
I for one am tired right center I want left, left.
 
2014-02-20 10:08:12 AM  

Aldon: Bareefer Obonghit: So Paul Ryan Vs. Hillary Clinton. Yuck.

More like Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton.


Man I hope weed is lea legal when this happens.
 
2014-02-20 10:09:22 AM  

Infernalist: Ms. Warren will get a cabinet position and possibly run in 2024.


I have no idea why you think this. She's far more popular than Obama was at this time, and unlike him, she actually has a body of work behind her. If she wants to run against Hillary Clinton, she wins.

You think the local Democratic precinct captains forgot about Hillary Clinton's "super delegate" debacle? You think they forgot that she flogged a campaign that had NO possible chance through several months of an increasingly bitter fight for the nomination?

She was a kid who tried to take her ball and go home when she didn't get picked. Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina will NOT forget that.
 
2014-02-20 10:14:42 AM  
I don't want another Clinton.  I don't want another Bush.

There are millions of people in this country.  I think it should be run by more than 2 families.
I like Elizabeth Warren.  I think she has shown she has a good head on her shoulders.

Microsoft should run for president.  I think they meet the age requirements and they were born in the USA.
 
2014-02-20 10:14:47 AM  
It's only 2014, and people are already going on about the 2016 election. This is just retarded.
 
2014-02-20 10:15:26 AM  

what_now: Infernalist: Ms. Warren will get a cabinet position and possibly run in 2024.

I have no idea why you think this. She's far more popular than Obama was at this time, and unlike him, she actually has a body of work behind her. If she wants to run against Hillary Clinton, she wins.

You think the local Democratic precinct captains forgot about Hillary Clinton's "super delegate" debacle? You think they forgot that she flogged a campaign that had NO possible chance through several months of an increasingly bitter fight for the nomination?

She was a kid who tried to take her ball and go home when she didn't get picked. Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina will NOT forget that.


Man, would I kill to have a been a fly on the wall that night Obama and Hillary sat down in Dianne Feinstein's living room.

I never bought the story that Feinstein just left them alone to chat.
 
2014-02-20 10:17:46 AM  
I'd like to hear what Bill Kristol and Pat Robertson say on the matter before I make an infromed opinion.
 
2014-02-20 10:19:16 AM  

LoneWolf343: Besides, would you really feel comfortable voting for someone who had to resign arguably the third highest office in the land because of a rapid succession of health issues brought on by stress? If McCain's campaign was hurt by his advanced age and health fears (and who would get the presidency if he croaked) then I don't think Hilary's chances are any better.


One point in Hillary's favor: she won't pick an actual Chatty Patty doll as her VP nomination
 
2014-02-20 10:20:12 AM  
I'm still pissed at Bob Shrum for the amazingly horrible job he did running John Kerry's campaign in 2004.

October 19, 2004
By: Paul Glastris

CASE AGAINST SHRUM #273... I've never understood why the Kerry campaign hasn't made more of the candidate's record in the Senate of holding tough, thankless, let-the-chips-fall-as-they-may investigations of the rich and powerful. Especially impressive was his pursuit of BCCI, the Arab-owned international bank which turned out to be a massive criminal enterprise that enabled terrorists, including Osama bin Laden, to finance their activities--until it was shut down, largely thanks to Kerry's relentless efforts. The campaign's weird refusal to talk about achievements like the BCCI hearings has allowed Bush to paint Kerry as a do-nothing legislator with no record of achievement during 20 years in the Senate.

But now, thanks to Newsweek, we have an explanation for the Kerry campaign's insane strategy. It seems that Bob Shrum thinks the American people are too stupid to understand what it means that Kerry shut down BCCI. "You can't talk about that because people think you're talking about the BBC," Bob Shrum, Kerry's top adviser, told one senior staffer. "Why were you investigating British TV?"

Should we string up Shrum after Kerry loses, or beat the rush and do it now?

-Paul Glastris 11:54 PM Permalink | Trackbacks


 http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_10/004955 .ph p
 
2014-02-20 10:23:02 AM  
It will be Hillary.  Biden said he won't run if Hillary runs, and neither will Warren (whom I like).  I heard O'Malley (MD governor) is making noises about a possible run, but who the hell is O'Malley?  I live in Maryland and I don't know what this guy is good for.

And there's no one in the Republican field that has wide spread appeal, and the Republican base has gone full retard any way so they'll put up some ultra right wing conservative that appeals to no one else except the far right.

I think you should get used to saying "Madam President".  It's about time anyway.
 
2014-02-20 10:26:03 AM  

BunkoSquad: LoneWolf343: Besides, would you really feel comfortable voting for someone who had to resign arguably the third highest office in the land because of a rapid succession of health issues brought on by stress? If McCain's campaign was hurt by his advanced age and health fears (and who would get the presidency if he croaked) then I don't think Hilary's chances are any better.

One point in Hillary's favor: she won't pick an actual Chatty Patty doll as her VP nomination


You know, that (a Hillary-VP pick) is something I just thought about. Hillary is center-right, and I get the sense she's slightly right of Bill. "We" seem to like her politics, but have you seen some of the people she surrounds herself with?

She won't pick a Jar-Jar Binks as VP like McCain did, but I doubt she'd pick a Mace Windu. I see her picking a Senator Palpatine.

// Windu'd be Constitutionally prohibited anyway, as he'd have already served 2 terms
 
2014-02-20 10:26:27 AM  

BunkoSquad: LoneWolf343: Besides, would you really feel comfortable voting for someone who had to resign arguably the third highest office in the land because of a rapid succession of health issues brought on by stress? If McCain's campaign was hurt by his advanced age and health fears (and who would get the presidency if he croaked) then I don't think Hilary's chances are any better.

One point in Hillary's favor: she won't pick an actual Chatty Patty doll as her VP nomination


I was going to say that we really ought to care more about who gets the VP nod on the off-chance that Hillary somehow gets the nomination, if she actually runs at all, which I am not sure about.
 
2014-02-20 10:27:26 AM  
Actually, the article claims she has a lock on the Democratic NOMINATION.  Not the PRESIDENCY.

Sheesh, you people.
 
2014-02-20 10:31:29 AM  
How is Hillary legally allowed to go for a third term, as we all remember when she beat Republican nominee Rudolph Giuliani in the 2004 election?
 
2014-02-20 10:32:58 AM  

EyeballKid: How is Hillary legally allowed to go for a third term, as we all remember when she beat Republican nominee Rudolph Giuliani in the 2004 2008 election?


/ftfm
 
2014-02-20 10:34:52 AM  

Dr Dreidel: BunkoSquad: LoneWolf343: Besides, would you really feel comfortable voting for someone who had to resign arguably the third highest office in the land because of a rapid succession of health issues brought on by stress? If McCain's campaign was hurt by his advanced age and health fears (and who would get the presidency if he croaked) then I don't think Hilary's chances are any better.

One point in Hillary's favor: she won't pick an actual Chatty Patty doll as her VP nomination

You know, that (a Hillary-VP pick) is something I just thought about. Hillary is center-right, and I get the sense she's slightly right of Bill. "We" seem to like her politics, but have you seen some of the people she surrounds herself with?

She won't pick a Jar-Jar Binks as VP like McCain did, but I doubt she'd pick a Mace Windu. I see her picking a Senator Palpatine.

// Windu'd be Constitutionally prohibited anyway, as he'd have already served 2 terms



Is Wicket speaker of the house?
 
2014-02-20 10:38:33 AM  
Oh dear god PLEASE keep Shrum as far away from any Democratic campaign as possible! He sunk the campaigns of both Dukakis AND Kerry. It was a wise, wise move of the Obama election team to keep this brain-damaged jinx far away from their candidate. That guy is a GOP sleeper agent, without a doubt!
 
2014-02-20 10:38:35 AM  
I hope she doesn't run. The GOP has spent over 20 years relentlessly generating Hillary-Hate in their base. Nothing would galvanize them more to have her as a candidate.

Whipping up hate and fear are what they are best at. If anything could bring them together and possibly even stop the death slide that the GOP is on, it would be rallying against a common enemy.

Nobody wants that.
 
2014-02-20 10:39:41 AM  

FlashHarry: has bob schrum ever been on a winning campaign? seriously.


ih0.redbubble.net
 
2014-02-20 10:40:13 AM  
i am pinning my hopes on as-yet-unknown Older White Male Governor, from a red state, who will revitalize our country by focusing on the issues: queers, ten commandments in classrooms, abortions, ten commandments in hotel rooms, doubling down on the war on drugs, usa, usa, usa, and kicking out the illegal immigrants that got me fired from sonic for allegedly trying to fark a patty melt

Marc L'Hommedieu: Actually, the article claims she has a lock on the Democratic NOMINATION.  Not the PRESIDENCY.

Sheesh, you people.


oh well in that case there is no point bringing up warren
 
2014-02-20 10:40:57 AM  

Infernalist: Every time we have this thread(and we do, quite regularly), I always invite the nay-sayers to offer up a name, any name, of anyone that they believe will beat Hillary Clinton in the national election.

I have yet to have anyone offer up a name.


I'm sure the International Cheesecake Cartels will do whatever they can. A winning Hillary spells doom for their sales figures.
 
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