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2014-02-20 11:40:00 AM
Sadly, malls are all that is left of public spaces in some regions...and they are officially private so dress conservatively citizen....and consume or leave
 
2014-02-20 11:40:14 AM

Need_MindBleach: But they CALLED THE FARKNG COPS? Because there were costumed weirdos there?


Would you say the same about furries?  After all, steampunkers are basically furries that grow such as old phonograph parts instead of hair.
 
2014-02-20 11:40:37 AM
The article was clear, well written, apparently factual and devoid of hyperbole.  What the HELL is going on here?
 
2014-02-20 11:41:22 AM
This was one thing that William Gibson is simply not getting correct: yeah, communication, military and medical technology is advancing in ways that are surprising and interesting, creating new questions about humankind and it's relationship with technology.

But we're going to be dressed in a consensus normal manner when we do that.
 
2014-02-20 11:41:46 AM
The local 3pc patch-wearing Motorcycle Club I was a member of for quite some time used to have a once-a-year trip to the Boardwalk to goof off for the evening.

The first time we did it yeah, security got their panties twisted because a bunch of leather clad patch wearing bikers were wandering around their amusement park.  But after about an hour of watching us eat ice cream and ride bumper cars they finally got a clue that we were harmless and pissed off back to harassing teenagers in hoodies.
 
2014-02-20 11:43:00 AM

Jument: tripleseven: scottydoesntknow: Malls are private property. They have the right to determine who shops there. We are not denying this. However, state law also restricts how they can determine who can or cannot shop on their property.

Steampunk is not a protected class.

/Still an asinine move by the mall cops

No, not a protected class, but this falls under arbitrary discrimination, and since California has a specific, state level non discrimination policy called the Unruh civil rights, they would appear to have a good case for a 'suin.

Unruh was enacted to stop discrimination against people not specifically listed in the civil rights act, basically, gays etc, but is broadly interpreted to protect you from arbitrary discrimination.


I am not a lawyer, but if I was them, I would certainly be contacting one.

RTFA. It might have come down to the "no photos" policy.


They were approached by security as they were eating. No photos taken.
 
2014-02-20 11:43:10 AM
TerminalEchoes:

The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay business should be allowed to refuse service to straight people.

My problem isn't with gay people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.


Everyone discriminates, whether on a conscious or unconscious level. All or nothing is a losing and specious argument. I have a very real problem with people who refuse to provide services that have nothing to do with that person's needs and instead are rooted in hatred of that individual based upon some characteristic of themselves. To refuse to cut a bald man's hair is one thing. To refuse to cut someone's hair because you don't like their face or race or the way they speak is entirely another. I apply this to every situation. However, most people do not bother to legally challenge these situations. Most of the time we just go on facebook and complain or put up a bad review on Yelp or whatever.

In this case, the gay couple did take it as a gay rights issue, and the judge made a determination that it was discriminatory.

In this country, you only get what you fight for. Blacks did it in the 60s, women did it in the suffrage movement. Gays are doing it now. You are of course welcome to your opinion that gay people do not deserve equal treatment, but you'll be on the wrong side of history. And hey, racists and bigots still exist even now.

Now, if these steampunk people tried to get protected status for being kicked off of private property, they will probably be laughed out of court. But then, there isn't a concerted effort among the public and religious organizations to deny costumed people service.
 
2014-02-20 11:43:37 AM

moike: The local 3pc patch-wearing Motorcycle Club I was a member of for quite some time used to have a once-a-year trip to the Boardwalk to goof off for the evening.

The first time we did it yeah, security got their panties twisted because a bunch of leather clad patch wearing bikers were wandering around their amusement park.  But after about an hour of watching us eat ice cream and ride bumper cars they finally got a clue that we were harmless and pissed off back to harassing teenagers in hoodies.


I'd imagine the $15 an hour rent a cop is much more willing to harass a guy wearing a top hat and propeller tie than a guy in a biker jacket.
 
2014-02-20 11:43:46 AM

Xcott: Need_MindBleach: But they CALLED THE FARKNG COPS? Because there were costumed weirdos there?

Would you say the same about furries?  After all, steampunkers are basically furries that grow such as old phonograph parts instead of hair.


Are they screwing in the mall?  Because otherwise they'd just be, what, wearing animal costumes?

It would be one of the more entertaining trips through a mall I'd taken in a while.

/As long as they weren't screwing
 
2014-02-20 11:45:21 AM
The mall's "no costume" rule is intended to keep gangs off the premises, and it was used correctly in this case. While your standard street gang might cause intimidation and fights, a roving gaggle of these Steampunk hoi polloi might spark calamitous kerfuffles, dithyrambic discombobulations, and all manner of opprobrious truculence and tintamarre, and since your average beat cop won't be able to spell any of those things in a report, they're likely to get away with it. It's always better to shut down these nefarious vintage slubberdegullions before they can set forth their vitiated intendments, because once they get going in full earnest, they can be a real pain in the thesaurus.
 
2014-02-20 11:47:48 AM

asmodeus224: Sadly, malls are all that is left of public spaces in some regions...and they are officially private so dress conservatively citizen....and consume or leave


Really? What regions don't have city/county/state parks?
 
2014-02-20 11:49:24 AM

Weatherkiss: scottydoesntknow: Steampunk is not a protected class.
[i.stack.imgur.com image 420x560]

Ray guns do a good job at protecting people.


Well, it better be fully charged, because that corset is going to get her into trouble.
 
2014-02-20 11:50:52 AM
I wonder if anyone questioned mall security's "Law Enforcement" costumes...
 
2014-02-20 11:51:26 AM

scottydoesntknow: TerminalEchoes: The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay business should be allowed to refuse service to straight people.

My problem isn't with gay people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.

Let's take a trip in our time machine to the 1960s and look at that post again.

The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay African American rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays black people at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays black people are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays black people, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay an African American business should be allowed to refuse service to straight white people.

My problem isn't with gay black people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.

See how stupid that sounds now?


I think that about sums it all up.

No one's forcing the man to be a baker; he can quit it if he doesn't want to follow the same rules as everyone else.
 
2014-02-20 11:53:55 AM

bikerbob59: When did steampunkers get old??


Ever since they started showing up at Ren Faires and comic conventions 6 or 7 years ago. From what I've seen they've always tended to be much older than other groups. Lots of white beards, few if any teens or 20 somethings.
 
2014-02-20 11:55:09 AM
The door at the mall clearly states "NO VICTORIAN ERA GARB ALLOWED."

They knew they were going to cause trouble from the minute they walked in.
 
2014-02-20 11:57:47 AM

James!: Need_MindBleach: Ok, so the mall security decided they didn't like a bunch of costumed weirdo adults riding their carousel and kicked them out. That's all fine and dandy, it's their right.

But they CALLED THE FARKNG COPS? Because there were costumed weirdos there? What the fark is wrong with people? The cops should have given the mall a farking ticket for calling them there over absolutely nothing.

They were armed with ray guns.


The article specifically states that they left their ray guns at home so as not to frighten mall-goers.
 
2014-02-20 11:58:36 AM
look at the second picture in the article, one of them is carrying a knife around for fark sake!
 
2014-02-20 11:59:52 AM

scottydoesntknow: Malls are private property. They have the right to determine who shops there. We are not denying this. However, state law also restricts how they can determine who can or cannot shop on their property.

Steampunk is not a protected class.

/Still an asinine move by the mall cops


California case law apparently protects unusual dress in most circumstances.
 
2014-02-20 12:01:04 PM

TerminalEchoes: Cheron: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

1/10  You get one point for brevity

Just because I'm not afraid to call out bullshiat hypocrisy doesn't make me a troll, son.


But because you don't know the basic facts of the cake case does make you are an idiot.
 
2014-02-20 12:01:12 PM

TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.


The court case your likely citing was in Colorado, and sexual orientation IS a protected class in that State.
 
2014-02-20 12:01:21 PM
IMO, Steampunk is a joke!

If you're going to get all "Retro Fiction", then go with the early 1930's style, a la "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow".

ww4.hdnux.com

It's a lot more sophisticated than gluing gears onto a top hat.
 
2014-02-20 12:02:27 PM
the girl on the bottom left has a knife! kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com
 
2014-02-20 12:03:06 PM

cgraves67: James!: Need_MindBleach: Ok, so the mall security decided they didn't like a bunch of costumed weirdo adults riding their carousel and kicked them out. That's all fine and dandy, it's their right.

But they CALLED THE FARKNG COPS? Because there were costumed weirdos there? What the fark is wrong with people? The cops should have given the mall a farking ticket for calling them there over absolutely nothing.

They were armed with ray guns.

The article specifically states that they left their ray guns at home so as not to frighten mall-goers.


So it does.  That is hilarious.
 
2014-02-20 12:04:09 PM

TerminalEchoes: Cheron: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

1/10  You get one point for brevity

Just because I'm not afraid to call out bullshiat hypocrisy doesn't make me a troll, son.


Maybe not, but your willful lack of attachment to facts in general does. If you stopped just making stuff up then maybe people wouldn't find you to be such a blithering idiot. At the very least, you could actually bother to RTFA, which you plainly have not in this case, or the other that you referenced, but then there was an entire thread of people telling you what a moron you were for failing to read the facts of the case, over and over and over, so successful troll is successful.
 
2014-02-20 12:04:49 PM

MindStalker: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

The court case your likely citing was in Colorado, and sexual orientation IS a protected class in that State.


And I ROFL every time some fundie claims "religious freedom" to be a bigoted butthole. It's like "what's the point of having a religion if I can't practice it by mistreating people?" with them. I mean, really? Your whole "faith" is wrapped around you being a jerk?
 
2014-02-20 12:05:08 PM
They look well dressed and clean cut. Which is not how your suppose to look like at the mall.
 
2014-02-20 12:05:22 PM
On the way to or from different events I have shopped at the grocery store, eaten in numerous restaurants, and otherwise interacted normally with people.

You cannot wear steamedpunk costumes and interact normally with anyone.
 
2014-02-20 12:07:56 PM
Fire the mall cops for running off customers who weren't hurting anything.  Hire someone with a more common sense than urge to throw around their authority.
 
2014-02-20 12:10:19 PM

Zachery: Fire the mall cops for running off customers who weren't hurting anything.  Hire someone with a more common sense than urge to throw around their authority.


Yeah I'm sure there are other people waiting in line for that minimum wage position.  I mean look at those cool hats you get to wear.
 
2014-02-20 12:16:35 PM

TNel: Zachery: Fire the mall cops for running off customers who weren't hurting anything.  Hire someone with a more common sense than urge to throw around their authority.

Yeah I'm sure there are other people waiting in line for that minimum wage position.  I mean look at those cool hats you get to wear.


hey I know a group of people who are really keen to wear silly hats, they can take the job! Steampunks. seriously though can we get rid of the word punk in there, and just call them something like steamjobs or something? Absolutely nothing they are doing is punk
 
2014-02-20 12:17:01 PM

James!: I'd imagine the $15 an hour rent a cop is much more willing to harass a guy wearing a top hat and propeller tie than a guy in a biker jacket.


Same reason PETA never bothered to throw red paint on us for wearing head to toe leather.
 
2014-02-20 12:18:06 PM

TV's Vinnie: IMO, Steampunk is a joke!


If you're going to get all "Retro Fiction", then go with the early 1930's style, a la "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow".


[ww4.hdnux.com image 628x353]


It's a lot more sophisticated than gluing gears onto a top hat.



I disagree. Go 1970s bacofoil, spandex and feathered hair.
fandomania.com
Space disco 4 life.
 
2014-02-20 12:20:58 PM

Fissile: Look at pictures of people from the late 19th century.  Fat people were not common.  Fail.


Actually they were. When you look at middle aged people of middle or upper class you see quite a few overweight people in the 1800s. It's not that obesity didn't exist, it's that being underweight (or sometimes even normal weight) was seen as problematic or at least one of the focal points for advertisements directed at women. Also often many of the pictures you see are public pics chosen for their aesthetic value by modern standards. And of course many people think of Civil War era photos out of context (where people are thinner b/c of the war). If you look at public photos which have decent crowd shots, you get a much better idea of average people. Or if you're lucky enough to have family photos from that era.

NO argument that obesity is a much bigger problem today and more widespread (no puns intended that time) but it's pretty common back then too. I personally think it's just more widespread now due to processed foods, but there's a lot of questions as to why and not any one good answer.
 
2014-02-20 12:21:55 PM
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2014-02-20 12:23:06 PM

advres: Those were possibly the lamest steampunk outfits of all time.


Came to say this.  The old couple they showed first also seem to think old timey=steampunk.
 
2014-02-20 12:26:26 PM
This happened in San Diego county, home of the largest comic convention on the west coast. That said, the people there also have the biggest stick up their asses when anything goes on that's not sanctioned by an authority of some sort (i.e. makes them money). These people came to the mall dressed better than most of the inbreds who showed up in stretch pants, flip flops and other moron uniforms, yet they get kicked out while Billy Bob and his 4th time pregnant sow who both look as if they just stepped out of the pages of "Trailer Park Monthly" roam free.

Sad sh*t.
 
2014-02-20 12:31:38 PM

blatz514: Weatherkiss: scottydoesntknow: Steampunk is not a protected class.
[i.stack.imgur.com image 420x560]

Ray guns do a good job at protecting people.

We definitely need more hot chicks in steampunk outfits...


That's my friend nova han. She is amazing, she choreographs the most epic shows! Yay for hot, talented women!
 
2014-02-20 12:32:03 PM

trappedspirit: On the way to or from different events I have shopped at the grocery store, eaten in numerous restaurants, and otherwise interacted normally with people.

You cannot wear steamedpunk costumes and interact normally with anyone.


Sure you can.  When dealing with a Goth, I made a habit of not acting shocked, outraged or even curious about their lifestyle.  You could see the disappointment in their eyes.  Treating them as one of the "mundanes" is actually kind of cruel, when you get down to it, but, when you're out attention whoring, you have to realize you don't have an absolute right to receive that attention.

/ 63 and a "Different strokes for different folks" type
// These people should not have been kicked out of the mall
/// But, since they were, they now feel validated
//// "What does not ignore them, makes them stronger"
 
2014-02-20 12:54:07 PM

scottydoesntknow: TerminalEchoes: The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay business should be allowed to refuse service to straight people.

My problem isn't with gay people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.

Let's take a trip in our time machine to the 1960s and look at that post again.

The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay African American rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays black people at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays black people are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays black people, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay an African American business should be allowed to refuse service to straight white people.

My problem isn't with gay black people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.

See how stupid that sounds now?


Not really.  It's a private business.
 
2014-02-20 12:55:01 PM
kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com

wtf
 
2014-02-20 12:55:15 PM

MemeSlave: Not really. It's a private business.


Then you need to be educated on what a private business actually means.
 
2014-02-20 12:55:24 PM

Cold_Sassy: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

The state of Ohio is preparing to pass a law that gives private business owners the right to refuse service to 'protected classes' if it goes against their religious beliefs.


Ohio? I'd have expected that from my state or the states to the north and south of us, but Ohio?!

*waits for the SCOTUS ruling declaring it unconstitutional* (because you know it'll happen)

Something I don't understand (no snark, genuine question): why would you want to do business with some asshole who clearly doesn't want your business because he or she is a bigoted idiot with the social skills of a caveman (and I'm being generous)? Doesn't it make more sense to use your wallet and your time and effort to support businesses that aren't run by idiots and assholes and let the ones that are run like Amy's Baking Company fail miserably like they need to?
 
2014-02-20 12:56:32 PM

TerminalEchoes: Cheron: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

1/10  You get one point for brevity

Just because I'm not afraid to call out bullshiat hypocrisy doesn't make me a troll, son.


You honestly do not see the difference.  You were better off when you were thought to be a troll.
 
2014-02-20 01:35:40 PM

MemeSlave: scottydoesntknow: TerminalEchoes: The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay business should be allowed to refuse service to straight people.

My problem isn't with gay people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.

Let's take a trip in our time machine to the 1960s and look at that post again.

The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay African American rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays black people at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays black people are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays black people, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay an African American business should be allowed to refuse service to straight white people.

My problem isn't with gay black people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.

See how stupid that sounds now?

Not really.  It's a private business.


The Civil Rights Act, including its section on anti-discrimination in public accommodations, is 50 years old. How have you never heard of it until now?
 
2014-02-20 01:37:52 PM

TV's Vinnie: IMO, Steampunk is a joke!

If you're going to get all "Retro Fiction", then go with the early 1930's style, a la "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow".

[ww4.hdnux.com image 628x353]

It's a lot more sophisticated than gluing gears onto a top hat.


"Iron Sky" is another good example of that.

www.aceshowbiz.com

whysoblu.com
 
2014-02-20 01:49:39 PM

Xcott: Wellon Dowd: There is no mention of the use of force in the article, subby.

You missed the part where they called in the Jägermonsters.


Ve Hunt!
 
2014-02-20 01:50:45 PM

TV's Vinnie: IMO, Steampunk is a joke!

If you're going to get all "Retro Fiction", then go with the early 1930's style, a la "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow".

[ww4.hdnux.com image 628x353]

It's a lot more sophisticated than gluing gears onto a top hat.


Subby here. While I do prefer the look of dieselpunk, steampunk style can be fun, too.  As the little girl said,

static.gamespot.com

So far the mall has done nothing but dodge the issue and make statements like "if you tell us you're coming, we'd be glad to have you back." So people have to make an appointment to go to the mall now? And if wearing a cravat is my choice of attire, I'm not welcome?

Technically, this is a clear violation of California's Unruh Civil Right Act, which prohibits a business's discrimination of customers based on "Unconventional Dress".

By the way, please sign the petition to get the mall to make an apology to the group.
 
2014-02-20 01:58:28 PM

Theaetetus: MemeSlave: scottydoesntknow: TerminalEchoes: The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay business should be allowed to refuse service to straight people.

My problem isn't with gay people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.

Let's take a trip in our time machine to the 1960s and look at that post again.

The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay African American rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays black people at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays black people are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays black people, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay an African American business should be allowed to refuse service to straight white people.

My problem isn't with gay black people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.

See how stupid that sounds now?

Not really.  It's a private business.

The Civil Rights Act, ...


That doesn't mean it's not stupid.   It just has the veneer of tradition.
 
2014-02-20 01:59:52 PM
Nytfall: advres: Those were possibly the lamest steampunk outfits of all time.
 
Came to say this.  The old couple they showed first also seem to think old timey=steampunk.

They intentionally toned down their attire for the mall. It says that in the article. "Most of the people were in simple Victorian dress because it looks so good on a carousel animal for a photo."


But even simple Victorian attire was just too much for this mall to handle, apparently.
 
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