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2014-02-20 11:06:12 AM  

blatz514: TNel: blatz514: [www.uncoached.com image 620x827]

goggles = steampunk?

She's wearing goggles?


It took me a few minutes to find them also.
 
2014-02-20 11:06:25 AM  

Cold_Sassy: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

The state of Ohio is preparing to pass a law that gives private business owners the right to refuse service to 'protected classes' if it goes against their religious beliefs.


Good luck getting that passed. Columbus is more queer than a $2 bill.
 
2014-02-20 11:06:44 AM  

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I highly doubt that group would have gotten kicked out. Put 40 pounds and 30 years on them and yeah, please leave sounds reasonable...


/DNRTFA
//I only look at pictures
///Coffee please
 
2014-02-20 11:08:17 AM  

Weatherkiss: TerminalEchoes: TheLopper: What? People are dressing differently than I want them to? To the outrage mobile!

I didn't even know what steam punk was until I read this article. I think it looks pretty damn cool. Better than what hipsters wear, at least.

I only became interested in Steampunk after getting some gun called the Righteous Bison out of Team Fortress 2.

Later found out it was an actual product made by WETA Workshop and started looking up pictures and music and whatnot.

[www.figures.com image 338x222]

I know Second Life has a pretty strong Steampunk following.


I'm not really a gamer. I'm old, married, work, the typical grind. I'm really behind in pop culture and whatnot. I remember seeing steam punk in---crap what's that movie? Wild West? The one with Will Smith and Kevin Cline. Looked pretty steam punk to me and I loved the concept of mixing Victorian Era wardrobes with technology. I just didn't know there was a term for it. Would Bioshock Infinite be classified as steam punk? Never played it but I watched someone play it on YouTube. Looked pretty cool.
 
2014-02-20 11:08:22 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

Except for the part where that's never happened.

Looks like someone doesn't watch the news.


I consume more news before 9 AM than you do all day, son.

Find me a single example do an American court declaring that cake makers were legally obligated to create a cake for a gay couple under legal penalty if they failed to do so.

/every single one of these stories is about community backlash against bigotry, not the big bad gummint making God-fearing bakers create pastries for sinners
 
2014-02-20 11:09:23 AM  
For some reason I want to go look up Steampunk porn now. . .
 
2014-02-20 11:10:38 AM  

Weatherkiss: Columbus is more queer than a $2 bill.


You...don't work at Taco Bell, by any chance?
 
2014-02-20 11:12:13 AM  

Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

Except for the part where that's never happened.

Looks like someone doesn't watch the news.

I consume more news before 9 AM than you do all day, son.

Find me a single example do an American court declaring that cake makers were legally obligated to create a cake for a gay couple under legal penalty if they failed to do so.

/every single one of these stories is about community backlash against bigotry, not the big bad gummint making God-fearing bakers create pastries for sinners


Is this good enough for you?
 
2014-02-20 11:12:48 AM  
Okay, I'm a freaking cosplayer, so I'm well versed in looking like an idiot in a public space and have no problem with people dressing up, but...

...sorry guys, grow up and stop expecting the world to accommodate your hobbies, and stop giving some poor schlub on security a headache of having to deal with you. You can try, but don't freaking whine about being kicked out, because you didn't ask, and they're not obligated to let you attention whore in their space.

No, you're not "freaking the mundanes", you're annoying people, that's all. I've gone to a bunch of places for photos where we didn't have permission, and if the people there have a problem, you suck it up and leave, period. I've also done it and had people there think it's awesome and be great about it, and that's great too. Sometimes you liven up their boring day and they let you get photos posing on the cop motorcycles, or they bend the rules to let you get a better shot, sometimes you're a headache and they ask you to leave. Bend the rules a bit, but realize you're ultimately the one in the wrong and GTFO if they have a problem with it.

Don't expect others to bend over backwards for your arrested development, and this is coming from a guy who occasionally dresses as a cartoon character for fun.
 
2014-02-20 11:14:37 AM  

Wellon Dowd: There is no mention of the use of force in the article, subby.


The calling of police can now technically be considered forcibly, since they shoot people for any reason.. even being injured in a car crash and needing help. Seriously, how much more god damned force is there than that?
"You hurt? *BOOM* lol He's not hurting now!!!!"
"WOW nice head-shot! You want to plant the weapon, or me? Or, do we even need to do that anymore"
 
2014-02-20 11:15:17 AM  

Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

Except for the part where that's never happened.

Looks like someone doesn't watch the news.

I consume more news before 9 AM than you do all day, son.

Find me a single example do an American court declaring that cake makers were legally obligated to create a cake for a gay couple under legal penalty if they failed to do so.

/every single one of these stories is about community backlash against bigotry, not the big bad gummint making God-fearing bakers create pastries for sinners


http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/12/06/judge-orders-colorado-cake-mak er -to-serve-gay-couples/
 
2014-02-20 11:15:37 AM  
Not exactly related, but I find it strange that country singer Fred Eaglesmith appears to have gone all steampunk.

Well, maybe not that strange.  He has publicly stated that he likes trains on more than one occasion.
 
2014-02-20 11:15:37 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Weatherkiss: TerminalEchoes: TheLopper: What? People are dressing differently than I want them to? To the outrage mobile!

I didn't even know what steam punk was until I read this article. I think it looks pretty damn cool. Better than what hipsters wear, at least.

I only became interested in Steampunk after getting some gun called the Righteous Bison out of Team Fortress 2.

Later found out it was an actual product made by WETA Workshop and started looking up pictures and music and whatnot.

[www.figures.com image 338x222]

I know Second Life has a pretty strong Steampunk following.

I'm not really a gamer. I'm old, married, work, the typical grind. I'm really behind in pop culture and whatnot. I remember seeing steam punk in---crap what's that movie? Wild West? The one with Will Smith and Kevin Cline. Looked pretty steam punk to me and I loved the concept of mixing Victorian Era wardrobes with technology. I just didn't know there was a term for it. Would Bioshock Infinite be classified as steam punk? Never played it but I watched someone play it on YouTube. Looked pretty cool.


I believe the current interpretation of Steampunk has been around since the 80's. I think its popularity is waning now, but I could be wrong.

In my opinion it's one of those things where there's a razor thin line between looking cool and looking ridiculous.
 
2014-02-20 11:15:46 AM  

Nappy Imus: For some reason I want to go look up Steampunk porn now. . .


Success! ;-D
 
2014-02-20 11:15:53 AM  

Weatherkiss: Cold_Sassy: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

The state of Ohio is preparing to pass a law that gives private business owners the right to refuse service to 'protected classes' if it goes against their religious beliefs.

Good luck getting that passed. Columbus is more queer than a $2 bill.


Maybe, but the politicians and the rest of the state especially south and east are very conservative.  Time will tell...
 
2014-02-20 11:16:18 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Weatherkiss: TerminalEchoes: TheLopper: What? People are dressing differently than I want them to? To the outrage mobile!

I didn't even know what steam punk was until I read this article. I think it looks pretty damn cool. Better than what hipsters wear, at least.

I only became interested in Steampunk after getting some gun called the Righteous Bison out of Team Fortress 2.

Later found out it was an actual product made by WETA Workshop and started looking up pictures and music and whatnot.

[www.figures.com image 338x222]

I know Second Life has a pretty strong Steampunk following.

I'm not really a gamer. I'm old, married, work, the typical grind. I'm really behind in pop culture and whatnot. I remember seeing steam punk in---crap what's that movie? Wild West? The one with Will Smith and Kevin Cline. Looked pretty steam punk to me and I loved the concept of mixing Victorian Era wardrobes with technology. I just didn't know there was a term for it. Would Bioshock Infinite be classified as steam punk? Never played it but I watched someone play it on YouTube. Looked pretty cool.


Yeah, Wild Wild West would. So would that second Hellboy movie. Some online webcomic called Wondermark is also influenced by Steampunk. You could argue that the Smashing Pumpkins 'Tonight, Tonight' music video was heavily influenced by steampunk (though it was more of a homage to the first sci-fi movie ever made).

There's also that god-awful League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie.

I'm like you in that I liked the genre and whatnot before I knew there was a term for it. Once I knew what the term was it was easier to look up artwork/music/costumes/etc.
 
2014-02-20 11:17:15 AM  

TerminalEchoes: scottydoesntknow: TerminalEchoes: Cheron: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

1/10  You get one point for brevity

Just because I'm not afraid to call out bullshiat hypocrisy doesn't make me a troll, son.

So you're going with moron then?

That's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it works!

Ah yes. The Fark way: "If You Can't Control Them, Ridicule [ALL THE THINGS]  Them"

Your parents must be so proud of you.


FTFY
 
2014-02-20 11:17:21 AM  

TerminalEchoes: TheLopper: What? People are dressing differently than I want them to? To the outrage mobile!

I didn't even know what steam punk was until I read this article. I think it looks pretty damn cool. Better than what hipsters wear, at least.


That's kind of shooting fish in a barrel, since ANYTHING looks better than a Hipster.

/Yes, even Juggalos.
 
2014-02-20 11:18:21 AM  
By and large, most Steampunk followers are bi and LARGE.
 
2014-02-20 11:18:31 AM  

TV's Vinnie: TerminalEchoes: TheLopper: What? People are dressing differently than I want them to? To the outrage mobile!

I didn't even know what steam punk was until I read this article. I think it looks pretty damn cool. Better than what hipsters wear, at least.

That's kind of shooting fish in a barrel, since ANYTHING looks better than a Hipster.

/Yes, even Juggalos.


Just wait till liking ICP becomes retro and ironic.
 
2014-02-20 11:18:52 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Weatherkiss: Cold_Sassy: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

The state of Ohio is preparing to pass a law that gives private business owners the right to refuse service to 'protected classes' if it goes against their religious beliefs.

Good luck getting that passed. Columbus is more queer than a $2 bill.

Maybe, but the politicians and the rest of the state especially south and east are very conservative.  Time will tell...


Having grown up in those conservative areas before moving to Columbus, yeah. But they'll just stick out their bottom lip and pout when they realize it's the urban areas that typically have the final say on how these things go.
 
2014-02-20 11:19:25 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

Except for the part where that's never happened.

Looks like someone doesn't watch the news.

I consume more news before 9 AM than you do all day, son.

Find me a single example do an American court declaring that cake makers were legally obligated to create a cake for a gay couple under legal penalty if they failed to do so.

/every single one of these stories is about community backlash against bigotry, not the big bad gummint making God-fearing bakers create pastries for sinners

Is this good enough for you?


So he was given no punishment and the judge threatened nonspecific fines if he kept discriminating?

My point stands: he was not forced to make anything for anyone, including the couple he refused in the first place.
 
2014-02-20 11:19:47 AM  

Wellon Dowd: There is no mention of the use of force in the article, subby.


www.3dm3.com

If only this were possible.
 
Skr
2014-02-20 11:20:01 AM  

TNel: blatz514: [www.uncoached.com image 620x827]

goggles = steampunk?


the goggles are perfect for team spunk

/pardon the dyslexia
 
2014-02-20 11:21:04 AM  
are we really a society that says that someone who is a bit different or weird is not welcome in public establishments?

Why yes, they are saying that. I guess you weren't paying attention all this time. That little microcosm you experience at the convention? Yeah. This is what happens when you wander away from it. People don't like the strange or the unusual roaming freely. They prefer to keep it roped off in the circus sideshow area.

 Should we not be judged by our actions and not by the length of our skirts or the wearing of a top hat? If we were not harming anyone, should the mall have kicked us out?


Look on the bright side, at least you weren't arrested or beaten.

/schadenfreude....I haz it
//yeah yeah I'm a bad trans person and I should feel bad
///slashies!!


We now return you to your regularly scheduled cheesecake pinup fest.
 
2014-02-20 11:23:22 AM  

LincolnLogolas: By and large, most Steampunk followers are bi and LARGE.


ROFLMOAR
 
2014-02-20 11:23:56 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

Except for the part where that's never happened.

Looks like someone doesn't watch the news.

I consume more news before 9 AM than you do all day, son.

Find me a single example do an American court declaring that cake makers were legally obligated to create a cake for a gay couple under legal penalty if they failed to do so.

/every single one of these stories is about community backlash against bigotry, not the big bad gummint making God-fearing bakers create pastries for sinners

Is this good enough for you?


Colorado's Anti-Discrimination Act (Title 24, Article 34, Part 6 Colorado Revised Statutes) specifically makes GLBT status a protected class.

So yes, your original statement is still very stupid.
 
2014-02-20 11:26:34 AM  

Delta1212: [Carousels] are also beautiful works of art and there are only so many left in the world.

And only so many malls left in the world. Only so many amusement parks left in the world. In fact, if you add those two together you'll have a rough estimate of the number of carousels.


You forgot the one in DC in front of the Smithsonian, on the National Mal-- oh. Well played.
 
2014-02-20 11:27:15 AM  
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2014-02-20 11:27:28 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

Except for the part where that's never happened.

Looks like someone doesn't watch the news.

I consume more news before 9 AM than you do all day, son.

Find me a single example do an American court declaring that cake makers were legally obligated to create a cake for a gay couple under legal penalty if they failed to do so.

/every single one of these stories is about community backlash against bigotry, not the big bad gummint making God-fearing bakers create pastries for sinners

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/12/06/judge-orders-colorado-cake-mak er -to-serve-gay-couples/


If someone offers me I dunno, $150 bucks to make a f*cking cake, why should I give a sh*t whether those people are gay or not? Seriously, what is your logical argument? Is it finding two men or two women to put at the top of the cake? Is that going to affect the bottom line?

Your job is to make cakes for people, not to decide who gets the cake and who doesn't based on your belief system. If the gay couple says, 'hey you have to make us a cake and then give us both a reach around' then you can start complaining.

People seem to easily forget that 50 years ago, black people couldn't go to a bakery for 'white people'. That's the same kind of discrimination going on here.
 
2014-02-20 11:27:40 AM  

TNel: blatz514: [www.uncoached.com image 620x827]

goggles = steampunk?


no, morbid obesity = steampunk, apparently.
 
2014-02-20 11:28:37 AM  

Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

Except for the part where that's never happened.

Looks like someone doesn't watch the news.

I consume more news before 9 AM than you do all day, son.

Find me a single example do an American court declaring that cake makers were legally obligated to create a cake for a gay couple under legal penalty if they failed to do so.

/every single one of these stories is about community backlash against bigotry, not the big bad gummint making God-fearing bakers create pastries for sinners

Is this good enough for you?

So he was given no punishment and the judge threatened nonspecific fines if he kept discriminating?

My point stands: he was not forced to make anything for anyone, including the couple he refused in the first place.


The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay business should be allowed to refuse service to straight people.

My problem isn't with gay people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.
 
2014-02-20 11:31:41 AM  

gonegirl: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

Except for the part where that's never happened.

Looks like someone doesn't watch the news.

I consume more news before 9 AM than you do all day, son.

Find me a single example do an American court declaring that cake makers were legally obligated to create a cake for a gay couple under legal penalty if they failed to do so.

/every single one of these stories is about community backlash against bigotry, not the big bad gummint making God-fearing bakers create pastries for sinners

Is this good enough for you?

Colorado's Anti-Discrimination Act (Title 24, Article 34, Part 6 Colorado Revised Statutes) specifically makes GLBT status a protected class.

So yes, your original statement is still very stupid.


Yet federal law trumps state law. Weird how a lot of people (especially liberals) defer to federal law until it works against them. Then they become just as "derp derp muh states' rights" as the conservatives.
 
2014-02-20 11:31:58 AM  

tripleseven: scottydoesntknow: Malls are private property. They have the right to determine who shops there. We are not denying this. However, state law also restricts how they can determine who can or cannot shop on their property.

Steampunk is not a protected class.

/Still an asinine move by the mall cops

No, not a protected class, but this falls under arbitrary discrimination, and since California has a specific, state level non discrimination policy called the Unruh civil rights, they would appear to have a good case for a 'suin.

Unruh was enacted to stop discrimination against people not specifically listed in the civil rights act, basically, gays etc, but is broadly interpreted to protect you from arbitrary discrimination.


I am not a lawyer, but if I was them, I would certainly be contacting one.


From the description in TFA, Unruh would appear to apply.  But from the plain text of the statute:

All persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, or sexual orientation are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges, or services in all business establishments of every kind whatsoever.

It doesn't appear to cover clothing.  Perhaps with later case law there's something there, but I can't really see how.

However, CA is one of the "shopping mall free speech" states, so there may well be a cause of action based upon that.
 
2014-02-20 11:32:47 AM  

TV's Vinnie: How Steampunkers see themselves:
[www.andysowards.com image 600x900]

What the rest of the world sees:
[i.somethingawful.com image 550x428]


It's true.  And I bet if they were good looking people, they wouldn't have been kicked out at all.
 
2014-02-20 11:33:57 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Thus far, gays are not yet a federally protected class.


They are when it comes to hate crimes, as of October 28 2009.
 
2014-02-20 11:34:13 AM  

MythDragon: [static.tvtropes.org image 230x344]

What's the mall have against science?


I was wondering how many "Spark" references we would have.
 
2014-02-20 11:34:35 AM  

tripleseven: scottydoesntknow: Malls are private property. They have the right to determine who shops there. We are not denying this. However, state law also restricts how they can determine who can or cannot shop on their property.

Steampunk is not a protected class.

/Still an asinine move by the mall cops

No, not a protected class, but this falls under arbitrary discrimination, and since California has a specific, state level non discrimination policy called the Unruh civil rights, they would appear to have a good case for a 'suin.

Unruh was enacted to stop discrimination against people not specifically listed in the civil rights act, basically, gays etc, but is broadly interpreted to protect you from arbitrary discrimination.


I am not a lawyer, but if I was them, I would certainly be contacting one.


RTFA. It might have come down to the "no photos" policy.
 
2014-02-20 11:34:53 AM  

bdub77: What were they going to buy at the mall anyway? Is there a shop for welder goggles and pocket watches?

/steampunk people are like the goths of the 21st century, except that the goths had the common courtesy to loathe themselves


Well, apparently if there is one thing a Steampunk likes, it's attention (just like Goths... well, not like me, I like dressing as weird as I am :-P ) and talking in fake 19th century British aristocracy accents. Can't have that sitting at home, so instead they go out to conventions and have events like this. The difference between that and Goth though (other than loathing ourselves... well, actually it's more loathing life [but enjoying it as best as possible] and having humor in the fact that us Goths dress silly, yet we like it), is that Goths dress how they are in everyday life (outside of work and certain social situations) and just enjoy being themselves, rather than it being for a convention and/or attention.

But at least you differentiated between Goths and Steampunkers. Some Steampunkers (maybe it's true for a small amount of individuals) claim Steampunk is just "Goths discovering brown", of course the problem with that idea is the fact that then Goths would have to give up their enjoyment of Goth bands for "Steampunk bands" (I am not even sure how to classify their style, other than most of their style reminds me of the Jewish Hora), start talking in fake accents, and give up Edgar Allen Poe for H.G. Wells.

Honestly I just think Steampunk is another one of those things that Hipsters started in order to gain their own subculture (probably one of the reasons Portlandia made fun of their personalities in an episode, where the Steampunk people tried to "save" a friend from making the "mistake" of dropping steampunk for whatever she newly enjoyed away from Steampunk), because it seems there are more overt "rules" to follow as a Steampunker like being part of an "airship squadron", or you can "put a gear on it and calling it steampunk" (as the parody song portrays, it was put up above), or talking in an specific accent with a backstory behind your "Steampunk persona" (Portlandia made great fun of this, I am not sure if it's true though in all areas [the Steampunk convention nearby me that I went to seemed to have more regular type talking, but that was years ago], that if you cross your fingers while in costume that means your "talking with your normal personality rather than your manufactured personality"; as opposed to Goths who dress in odd clothes, even Victorian/Edwardian style [with less brown, like me!], but are completely straightforward themselves) - Portlandia - Steampunk Convention
 
2014-02-20 11:35:24 AM  

TerminalEchoes: gays are not yet a federally protected class.


But they are protected in Colorado and California.
 
2014-02-20 11:36:19 AM  

TerminalEchoes: gonegirl: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

Except for the part where that's never happened.

Looks like someone doesn't watch the news.

I consume more news before 9 AM than you do all day, son.

Find me a single example do an American court declaring that cake makers were legally obligated to create a cake for a gay couple under legal penalty if they failed to do so.

/every single one of these stories is about community backlash against bigotry, not the big bad gummint making God-fearing bakers create pastries for sinners

Is this good enough for you?

Colorado's Anti-Discrimination Act (Title 24, Article 34, Part 6 Colorado Revised Statutes) specifically makes GLBT status a protected class.

So yes, your original statement is still very stupid.

Yet federal law trumps state law. Weird how a lot of people (especially liberals) defer to federal law until it works against them. Then they become just as "derp derp muh states' rights" as the conservatives.


Then you probably shouldn't have used a judge applying state law for proving your point
 
2014-02-20 11:36:28 AM  
Ok, so the mall security decided they didn't like a bunch of costumed weirdo adults riding their carousel and kicked them out. That's all fine and dandy, it's their right.

But they CALLED THE FARKNG COPS? Because there were costumed weirdos there? What the fark is wrong with people? The cops should have given the mall a farking ticket for calling them there over absolutely nothing.
 
2014-02-20 11:36:30 AM  
Those were possibly the lamest steampunk outfits of all time.
 
2014-02-20 11:37:06 AM  

Wellon Dowd: There is no mention of the use of force in the article, subby.


You missed the part where they called in the Jägermonsters.
 
2014-02-20 11:37:24 AM  

kregh99: Steampunkers:  contact the mall ahead of time when you're a group that large.

Mall cops:  Seriously?  These people looked threatening in any way, shape, or form?  Stop taking the frustration that the police academy rejected your application out on innocent people having a bit of good, clean fun.


funny, but i don't think the same strategy would work for a large group of young men wearing hoodies.

can't imagine why.
 
2014-02-20 11:37:53 AM  

Schmerd1948: Man, you young people are screwed up. We faced the same shiat in the 60s, and I thought we had all learned about personal freedom. So what that these folks dressed differently? How about we all stand up for their right to be weird? Because ALL you Farkers be weird. So there.


You DO realize that the "personal freedom" generation is the one that now owns the malls and makes these stupid rules, right?

I *love* it when the Loudest Generation gets nostalgic for the time before they all sold out.

/admit it: y'all never meant it in the first place, you were just in it for the sex. Oops, I mean the Free Love.
 
2014-02-20 11:38:08 AM  

Need_MindBleach: Ok, so the mall security decided they didn't like a bunch of costumed weirdo adults riding their carousel and kicked them out. That's all fine and dandy, it's their right.

But they CALLED THE FARKNG COPS? Because there were costumed weirdos there? What the fark is wrong with people? The cops should have given the mall a farking ticket for calling them there over absolutely nothing.


They were armed with ray guns.
 
2014-02-20 11:39:14 AM  

bdub77: TNel: blatz514: [www.uncoached.com image 620x827]

goggles = steampunk?

[www.thestranger.com image 500x328]

The goggles, they do nothing!

/ Love that joke (classic Simpsons)

 
2014-02-20 11:39:32 AM  
Is there a problem classification higher than 1st world?
Because this fits it.
 
2014-02-20 11:39:38 AM  

TerminalEchoes: The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay business should be allowed to refuse service to straight people.

My problem isn't with gay people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.


Let's take a trip in our time machine to the 1960s and look at that post again.

The fact that a judge even intervened makes all the difference in the world. Future fines, though undeclared, were threatened. Look, I understand how passionate people get about certain issues. Gay African American rights is one of those issues people fiercely defend and that's fine. I happen to defend personal freedom. I have no problem with gays black people at all, but I do have a problem with government walking all over people. Thus far, gays black people are not yet a federally protected class. One day I'm sure they will be, but right now, if a business wants to refuse service to gays black people, they should be allowed to do so, just like a gay an African American business should be allowed to refuse service to straight white people.

My problem isn't with gay black people. My problems is with hypocrisy. "It's okay for us to do it to these people but not those people." It should be an all-or-nothing thing to me.


See how stupid that sounds now?
 
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