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(KPBS San Diego)   Steampunk group forcibly ejected from mall from being too well dressed, nerds   (kpbs.org) divider line 234
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2014-02-20 09:34:41 AM
Malls are private property. They have the right to determine who shops there. We are not denying this. However, state law also restricts how they can determine who can or cannot shop on their property.

Steampunk is not a protected class.

/Still an asinine move by the mall cops
 
2014-02-20 09:39:59 AM
The mall has a strict and clearly posted No Time Travelers rule.

uncomfortablehug.com

If you choose to dress in time traveler "colors," then don't expect security to be able to tell the difference between you and someone who actually just showed up from the Victorian Era.
 
2014-02-20 09:41:29 AM
People still go to malls?
 
2014-02-20 09:44:24 AM

Tom_Slick: People still go to malls?


Well, steampunk cosplayers are trying to live in the past.

/stupid move by the Blarts
 
2014-02-20 10:18:44 AM
What were they going to buy at the mall anyway? Is there a shop for welder goggles and pocket watches?

/steampunk people are like the goths of the 21st century, except that the goths had the common courtesy to loathe themselves
 
2014-02-20 10:38:03 AM

scottydoesntknow: Malls are private property. They have the right to determine who shops there. We are not denying this. However, state law also restricts how they can determine who can or cannot shop on their property.

Steampunk is not a protected class.

/Still an asinine move by the mall cops


It was a dick move by the mall cops, but it probably could have been avoided by making arrangements with mall management ahead of time. Just give them a heads up, you know.
 
2014-02-20 10:38:24 AM
Mall was probably worried they would glue cogs to everything.
 
2014-02-20 10:41:28 AM
tl,dr version:

Mall: "We're private property. As long as we won't get sued by the ACLU or piss off most of the shoppers, fark you!"
 
2014-02-20 10:43:26 AM
The carousel at City Park here in NOLA is truly historic and I doubt they would have been given any trouble. I would not be surprised if such groups have taken pictures there, actually.
 
2014-02-20 10:44:22 AM

scottydoesntknow: Steampunk is not a protected class.

i.stack.imgur.com

Ray guns do a good job at protecting people.
 
2014-02-20 10:44:42 AM
There is no mention of the use of force in the article, subby.
 
2014-02-20 10:44:57 AM
Steampunkers:  contact the mall ahead of time when you're a group that large.

Mall cops:  Seriously?  These people looked threatening in any way, shape, or form?  Stop taking the frustration that the police academy rejected your application out on innocent people having a bit of good, clean fun.
 
2014-02-20 10:45:19 AM
So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.
 
2014-02-20 10:45:22 AM
[Carousels] are also beautiful works of art and there are only so many left in the world.

And only so many malls left in the world. Only so many amusement parks left in the world. In fact, if you add those two together you'll have a rough estimate of the number of carousels.
 
2014-02-20 10:45:33 AM
On one hand, I think Steampunk is weird and the mall has every right to ask them to leave.

On the other hand, these people don't seem to be dressed up in a disruptive manner nor do they seem to have actually caused a problem outside of the rent-a-cop's narrow POV.
 
2014-02-20 10:45:39 AM
Look at pictures of people from the late 19th century.  Fat people were not common.  Fail.
 
2014-02-20 10:45:43 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-20 10:47:33 AM

TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.


1/10  You get one point for brevity
 
2014-02-20 10:47:40 AM

Weatherkiss: scottydoesntknow: Steampunk is not a protected class.
[i.stack.imgur.com image 420x560]

Ray guns do a good job at protecting people.


We definitely need more hot chicks in steampunk outfits...

img.wonderhowto.com
 
2014-02-20 10:48:33 AM
When did steampunkers get old??
 
2014-02-20 10:49:09 AM

Fissile: Look at pictures of people from the late 19th century.  Fat people were not common.  Fail.


Right, because if there's anything Steampunk is known for, it's excruciating historical accuracy.
 
2014-02-20 10:49:39 AM
www.uncoached.com
 
2014-02-20 10:50:11 AM

Fissile: Look at pictures of people from the late 19th century.  Fat people were not common.  Fail.


Yeah, Queen Victoria was a beanpole.

/rich people in the late 19th century were fat, that was because it was seen as a sign of wealth, not poor dietary/exercise habits
 
2014-02-20 10:50:29 AM
How Steampunkers see themselves:
www.andysowards.com

What the rest of the world sees:
i.somethingawful.com
 
2014-02-20 10:51:03 AM

Cheron: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

1/10  You get one point for brevity


Just because I'm not afraid to call out bullshiat hypocrisy doesn't make me a troll, son.
 
2014-02-20 10:51:42 AM
I do think one point from TFA is valid--if some of those weirdos dress that way daily, are they still technically in costumes or are they in their plainclothes? The mall can eject them for inappropriate attire but calling all retro clothing "costume" seems like a stretch.

/owns a lot of 80s and 70s style costumes
 
2014-02-20 10:51:47 AM
static.tvtropes.org

What's the mall have against science?
 
2014-02-20 10:52:09 AM

Colour_out_of_Space: Mall was probably worried they would glue cogs

gears to everything.

ftfy

surprised I haven't seen this yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA
 
2014-02-20 10:53:37 AM

TerminalEchoes: Cheron: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

1/10  You get one point for brevity

Just because I'm not afraid to call out bullshiat hypocrisy doesn't make me a troll, son.


So you're going with moron then?

That's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it works!
 
2014-02-20 10:53:50 AM
I'm not a huge fan of steampunk anything.  It's not appealing to me and it seems very much like a fad but what possible harm were the mall officials worried about?  Also god damn, if you run a mall in 2014 I would think that you would be happy if anyone walked through the door.

It reminds me of the time our party of 10 was told we couldn't enter a bar because one of the guys was wearing sneakers.  OK fair enough, he was violating the dress code after all, so I asked if I could go in without paying cover to collect some friends who were already inside so we could go elsewhere.  The bouncer agree and when I got inside I saw that there were maybe 20 people in a bar that was built for way more people and this was at 10:00 PM on a Saturday night.  Alright man we'll go buy overpriced booze somewhere else, have fun collecting a paycheck from your employer's failing business.
 
2014-02-20 10:54:40 AM

Wellon Dowd: There is no mention of the use of force in the article, subby.


Calling the police is use of force.
 
2014-02-20 10:54:56 AM
The mall cops weren't violating rights or doing anything legally wrong, they're just assholes.  "It's weird and makes me feel funny, kill it with fire" is all this amounts to.
 
2014-02-20 10:55:46 AM

scottydoesntknow: TerminalEchoes: Cheron: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

1/10  You get one point for brevity

Just because I'm not afraid to call out bullshiat hypocrisy doesn't make me a troll, son.

So you're going with moron then?

That's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it works!


Ah yes. The Fark way: "If You Can't Control Them, Ridicule Them"

Your parents must be so proud of you.
 
2014-02-20 10:56:20 AM

Wellon Dowd: There is no mention of the use of force in the article, subby.


The hovering of guards and the calling of police is not the use of force? What world are you living in?
 
2014-02-20 10:56:27 AM

TV's Vinnie: How Steampunkers see themselves:
[www.andysowards.com image 600x900]

What the rest of the world sees:
[i.somethingawful.com image 550x428]


What exactly do you think is wrong with the second picture?
 
2014-02-20 10:56:33 AM
Woohoo, now I have an excuse to put up pics of hot steampunk chicks! (and there are alot)!

i.imgur.com

thechive.files.wordpress.com

thechive.files.wordpress.com

www.myconfinedspace.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

thechive.files.wordpress.com

theburgandyboudoir.files.wordpress.com

www.noupe.com
 
2014-02-20 10:56:59 AM
Goggles.

Goggles everywhere.
 
2014-02-20 10:57:43 AM
What? People are dressing differently than I want them to? To the outrage mobile!
 
2014-02-20 10:59:52 AM

blatz514: [www.uncoached.com image 620x827]


goggles = steampunk?
 
2014-02-20 10:59:56 AM

TheLopper: What? People are dressing differently than I want them to? To the outrage mobile!


I didn't even know what steam punk was until I read this article. I think it looks pretty damn cool. Better than what hipsters wear, at least.
 
2014-02-20 11:00:38 AM

scottydoesntknow: Malls are private property. They have the right to determine who shops there. We are not denying this. However, state law also restricts how they can determine who can or cannot shop on their property.

Steampunk is not a protected class.

/Still an asinine move by the mall cops


No, not a protected class, but this falls under arbitrary discrimination, and since California has a specific, state level non discrimination policy called the Unruh civil rights, they would appear to have a good case for a 'suin.

Unruh was enacted to stop discrimination against people not specifically listed in the civil rights act, basically, gays etc, but is broadly interpreted to protect you from arbitrary discrimination.


I am not a lawyer, but if I was them, I would certainly be contacting one.
 
2014-02-20 11:01:22 AM

TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.


Except for the part where that's never happened.
 
2014-02-20 11:02:36 AM

redmid17: On one hand, I think Steampunk is weird and the mall has every right to ask them to leave.

On the other hand, these people don't seem to be dressed up in a disruptive manner nor do they seem to have actually caused a problem outside of the rent-a-cop's narrow POV.


Pretty much this.  I think steampunk people are silly, but it's not like they were really dressed inappropriately.  IMO, the only reason to kick someone out of a mall for dress reasons would be if they aren't wearing  enough clothing.  Nobody wants to see you walk around the mall in nothing but a jockstrap.  But this group was wearing plenty of clothes, even if they were odd.
 
2014-02-20 11:02:43 AM
This is why you should only play dress up in your parent's basement, or at appropriate conventions.
 
2014-02-20 11:02:51 AM

TNel: blatz514: [www.uncoached.com image 620x827]

goggles = steampunk?


She's wearing goggles?
 
2014-02-20 11:03:43 AM
Man, you young people are screwed up. We faced the same shiat in the 60s, and I thought we had all learned about personal freedom. So what that these folks dressed differently? How about we all stand up for their right to be weird? Because ALL you Farkers be weird. So there.
 
2014-02-20 11:03:51 AM

TerminalEchoes: TheLopper: What? People are dressing differently than I want them to? To the outrage mobile!

I didn't even know what steam punk was until I read this article. I think it looks pretty damn cool. Better than what hipsters wear, at least.


I only became interested in Steampunk after getting some gun called the Righteous Bison out of Team Fortress 2.

Later found out it was an actual product made by WETA Workshop and started looking up pictures and music and whatnot.

www.figures.com

I know Second Life has a pretty strong Steampunk following.
 
2014-02-20 11:03:56 AM

Strolpol: TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.

Except for the part where that's never happened.


Looks like someone doesn't watch the news.
 
2014-02-20 11:04:39 AM

TerminalEchoes: So malls (private property) have the right to refuse service to anyone they wish as long as it's not a protected class (steam punk). Meanwhile, wedding cake makers (private property) are forced by the courts to give service to another non-protected class (two gay people).

Interesting.


The state of Ohio is preparing to pass a law that gives private business owners the right to refuse service to 'protected classes' if it goes against their religious beliefs.
 
2014-02-20 11:05:04 AM

TNel: blatz514: [www.uncoached.com image 620x827]

goggles = steampunk?


www.thestranger.com

The goggles, they do nothing!
 
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