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(The Wrap)   New Fantastic Four reboot includes: Michael Jordan playing Johnny Storm. Kate Mara as Sue Storm. Miles Teller as Mr Fantastic and an English ballerina playing Ben Grimm. Sounds about right   (thewrap.com) divider line 206
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2014-02-20 06:56:44 AM
So... Johnny Storm had an early Flame On mishap that left him charred?
 
2014-02-20 07:05:49 AM
I don't mind Michael B. Jordan playing Johnny Storm. I just don't think another Fantastic Four movie should be made. I don't think there is anything about this that would be interesting.

At this point, the only reason they're making this is so that the rights to the Fantastic Four's movie license doesn't revert back to Marvel and Disney and not about actually wanting to make a film (movie rights often have a clause where the rights revert back to the publisher due to non-use - Roger Corman actually made a cheap and never released Fantastic Four B-movie to prevent right reversion in the 90s). Same thing with the Spider-man reboots.
 
2014-02-20 07:09:08 AM
Worst. Casting. Ever.

Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.
Ben Grimm is supposed to be a short, stocky, American guy. He is now a tall, skinny, British guy.

Casting Director, you had one job.
 
2014-02-20 07:12:57 AM

Walker: Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.


Why can't they be stepsiblings? Or adopted siblings?
 
2014-02-20 07:14:14 AM

RexTalionis: I don't mind Michael B. Jordan playing Johnny Storm. I just don't think another Fantastic Four movie should be made. I don't think there is anything about this that would be interesting.

At this point, the only reason they're making this is so that the rights to the Fantastic Four's movie license doesn't revert back to Marvel and Disney and not about actually wanting to make a film (movie rights often have a clause where the rights revert back to the publisher due to non-use - Roger Corman actually made a cheap and never released Fantastic Four B-movie to prevent right reversion in the 90s). Same thing with the Spider-man reboots.


Yeah, if the movie had any chance of being good, I wouldn't care if Johnny Storm was black because reasons.

But it's obvious Fox is just shiatting out something to keep the rights away from Disney. So, It's Mockering Time.
 
2014-02-20 07:16:50 AM

FirstNationalBastard: RexTalionis: I don't mind Michael B. Jordan playing Johnny Storm. I just don't think another Fantastic Four movie should be made. I don't think there is anything about this that would be interesting.

At this point, the only reason they're making this is so that the rights to the Fantastic Four's movie license doesn't revert back to Marvel and Disney and not about actually wanting to make a film (movie rights often have a clause where the rights revert back to the publisher due to non-use - Roger Corman actually made a cheap and never released Fantastic Four B-movie to prevent right reversion in the 90s). Same thing with the Spider-man reboots.

Yeah, if the movie had any chance of being good, I wouldn't care if Johnny Storm was black because reasons.

But it's obvious Fox is just shiatting out something to keep the rights away from Disney. So, It's Mockering Time.


Why would the motivation for making the movie make you care about the race of a character one way or the other?
 
2014-02-20 07:22:11 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So... Johnny Storm had an early Flame On mishap that left him charred?


I may be going to hell for laughing at that joke...
 
2014-02-20 07:23:22 AM
I remember when the Ultimates first came out and the nerd rage over Nick Fury being black. Heh. That was funny.
 
2014-02-20 07:24:21 AM

RexTalionis: I remember when the Ultimates Ultimate Team-Up first came out and the nerd rage over Nick Fury being black. Heh. That was funny.


FTFM
 
2014-02-20 07:25:27 AM
I saw this earlier.. I don't even know who the 3 guys are, but can we get the old cast back?
 
2014-02-20 07:30:22 AM

RexTalionis: Walker: Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.

Why can't they be stepsiblings? Or adopted siblings?


Why can't Bruce Wayne's parents be alive?

Why didn't they cast a black guy as Mr. Fantastic?  Is that interracial romance too much diversity for them?
 
2014-02-20 07:31:33 AM

RexTalionis: RexTalionis: I remember when the Ultimates Ultimate Team-Up first came out and the nerd rage over Nick Fury being black. Heh. That was funny.

FTFM


They purposely made Fury black so they could get Jackson to play him in the movie.  it was a calculated move by Marvel.
 
2014-02-20 07:36:48 AM
It's hard to image anyone being worse than Jessica Alba at portraying Sue Storm. Hell, it's hard to imagine and cardboard standee of the character being worse in that role.
 
2014-02-20 07:39:53 AM

Sybarite: It's hard to image anyone being worse than Jessica Alba at portraying Sue Storm. Hell, it's hard to imagine and cardboard standee of the character being worse in that role.


I didn't think she was that bad, but the writers did give her too many wardrobe malfunctions.. nice to watch, but it made it harder to take her seriously.
 
2014-02-20 07:49:33 AM
Was that an onion article?
 
2014-02-20 07:49:42 AM

RexTalionis: FirstNationalBastard: RexTalionis: I don't mind Michael B. Jordan playing Johnny Storm. I just don't think another Fantastic Four movie should be made. I don't think there is anything about this that would be interesting.

At this point, the only reason they're making this is so that the rights to the Fantastic Four's movie license doesn't revert back to Marvel and Disney and not about actually wanting to make a film (movie rights often have a clause where the rights revert back to the publisher due to non-use - Roger Corman actually made a cheap and never released Fantastic Four B-movie to prevent right reversion in the 90s). Same thing with the Spider-man reboots.

Yeah, if the movie had any chance of being good, I wouldn't care if Johnny Storm was black because reasons.

But it's obvious Fox is just shiatting out something to keep the rights away from Disney. So, It's Mockering Time.

Why would the motivation for making the movie make you care about the race of a character one way or the other?


It comes off as stunt casting for a bad movie made just to keep the rights to the franchise.

It seems like someone at Fox said "If we make the Human Torch black, boy, wouldn't that make people talk! They might not even notice we've got nothing else!"

And hell, as has been mentioned, it's unnecessarily complicating the Sue/Johnny family situation when the logical choice for diversification would be Reed.
 
2014-02-20 07:49:54 AM
FF is the one big remaining Marvel franchise that has never been done justice. It would great if they could at least get the relationship dynamics right that made the comics compelling.

Not off to a good start casting a black guy as the human torch, although it does make sense considering black guys don't burn as easily.

And...

Sybarite: It's hard to image anyone being worse than Jessica Alba at portraying Sue Storm. Hell, it's hard to imagine and cardboard standee of the character being worse in that role.


This.
 
2014-02-20 07:53:57 AM

Walker: Worst. Casting. Ever.

Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.


WOW.  And here we have another Fark bigot who apparently has never stepped foot out into the real world.

Mixed race families are a reality, genius, and a very common one at that,  Why don't you step out of the 1950s and into the 21st Century?

I have no problem with the casting.  People ALWAYS biatch about casting choices until they see the final film.  The main problem is not what color their skin is, but if they can capture the essence of the character they're playing.
 
2014-02-20 07:54:24 AM
Eh, whatever. They can cast Rick Moranis as Johnny Storm and it won't matter because nobody in their right mind is going to go watch another FF movie.
 
2014-02-20 07:59:06 AM

Alphax: I saw this earlier.. I don't even know who the 3 guys are, but can we get the old cast back?


All but Alba. I thought they did a good job getting the "family" dynamic (which is the POINT of FF comics) and the essentials of Reed, Ben, and Johnny's personalities.

But they forgot to give Sue a personality, and don't even get me started on how badly they mangled Doom.
 
2014-02-20 08:01:01 AM

Dhusk: Walker: Worst. Casting. Ever.

Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.

WOW.  And here we have another Fark bigot who apparently has never stepped foot out into the real world.

Mixed race families are a reality, genius, and a very common one at that,  Why don't you step out of the 1950s and into the 21st Century?

I have no problem with the casting.  People ALWAYS biatch about casting choices until they see the final film.  The main problem is not what color their skin is, but if they can capture the essence of the character they're playing.


That's jumping way too fast to bigot. Characters have cultural backgrounds and relationships that make them who they are. Race plays into that. e.g. I would never want to see a white version of Blade.
 
2014-02-20 08:07:42 AM
It may be just because I've never been able to really get into FF comics, but nothing about this movie from day one has made the needle jump for me. This just seems like such a bland cast in what seems to be shaping up to be another bland movie. I'm kind of hoping that it tanks hard enough that Fox just gives up and lets the rights go back to Marvel. They made me love Iron Man and Thor, two more characters that I couldn't give two squirts about before their movies. I'm betting they can figure out a way to wedge the FF into my heart better than Fox.
 
2014-02-20 08:11:29 AM

Jizz Master Zero: It may be just because I've never been able to really get into FF comics, but nothing about this movie from day one has made the needle jump for me. This just seems like such a bland cast in what seems to be shaping up to be another bland movie. I'm kind of hoping that it tanks hard enough that Fox just gives up and lets the rights go back to Marvel. They made me love Iron Man and Thor, two more characters that I couldn't give two squirts about before their movies. I'm betting they can figure out a way to wedge the FF into my heart better than Fox.


Have you tried the John Byrne or Mark Waid/Mike Weiringo runs of F4?

/Dwayne McDuffie also had a great, if short, run, but you might find yourself wondering why Black Panther and Storm replaced Sue and Reed.
 
2014-02-20 08:12:53 AM

Jizz Master Zero: I'm kind of hoping that it tanks hard enough that Fox just gives up and lets the rights go back to Marvel.


Never.  Well, not for decades.  If it tanks, they'll just try again in five years.
Fox isn't going to give up FF and X-Men and Sony isn't going to give up Spider-Man until the superhero bubble bursts and there's no potential profit to be made.  Until then, they'll keep grinding this stuff out regardless of quality.
 
2014-02-20 08:13:07 AM
Jesus Christ.

What does Marvel have to do to get the rights back to it's characters? I mean, fark the X-Men, they're crap, but why can't they at least get Spider-Man (their flagship character!) and the FF back???

Does anyone know what the actual terms of these deals are? Are they just that unfavourable for Marvel that they can't even sue for the rights back over crap like this?
 
2014-02-20 08:20:49 AM
Wow, at least two of those people are awfully homely to be movie stars (the top two).

No problem with black Johnny; why the heck not?? Skinny Grimm is much odder.

I kind of liked the first movie. Except for stupid poorly acted Doom.
 
2014-02-20 08:21:08 AM

MayoSlather: Dhusk: Walker: Worst. Casting. Ever.

Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.

WOW.  And here we have another Fark bigot who apparently has never stepped foot out into the real world.

Mixed race families are a reality, genius, and a very common one at that,  Why don't you step out of the 1950s and into the 21st Century?

I have no problem with the casting.  People ALWAYS biatch about casting choices until they see the final film.  The main problem is not what color their skin is, but if they can capture the essence of the character they're playing.

That's jumping way too fast to bigot. Characters have cultural backgrounds and relationships that make them who they are. Race plays into that. e.g. I would never want to see a white version of Blade.


And there is nothing in Johnny Storm's character that dictates that he HAS TO BE white.  And this is coming form someone who read FF comics for 20+ years, so I'm very intimately familiar with the character.

its much more important that Mike Jordan capture the essence and personality of the character, rather than whether his skin should be bleached for the role.

I remember people biatching about casting Idris Alba as Heimdall, a character who does arguably have a strong ethnic tie to a certain race, in the Thor movies.  Yet, he did an outstanding job in the role and no one is biatching about it now.

Skin color does not equal character. What's important is how he plays the role, not what he looks like.
 
2014-02-20 08:21:25 AM

TwistedFark: Does anyone know what the actual terms of these deals are? Are they just that unfavourable for Marvel that they can't even sue for the rights back over crap like this?


On what possible ground do they have to sue?
 
2014-02-20 08:24:52 AM
The most hilarious part of TFA is the word 'anticipated.'

It does not mean what they think it means.
 
2014-02-20 08:26:41 AM

RexTalionis: TwistedFark: Does anyone know what the actual terms of these deals are? Are they just that unfavourable for Marvel that they can't even sue for the rights back over crap like this?

On what possible ground do they have to sue?


Second definition, not first.
 
2014-02-20 08:26:59 AM
Poor Kate Mara. She has to go from House of Cards to this drek.
 
2014-02-20 08:27:47 AM
For my money, the best modern interpretation of the Fantastic Four was Warren Ellis's run on Ultimate Fantastic Four. He got the family vibe right, and he also had a proper take on the idea of being science explorers rather than super-heroes. In the decades that I've been reading Marvel comics, no one before had really gotten that part right. The recent Hickman books have been good as well, but they're not suitable for a movie adaptation.

Anyway, at this point I view any Marvel property not set in the proper Marvel Cinematic Universe as illegitimate at best. Fox and Sony are going to turn out tripe to prevent Marvel from making decent adaptations and that is sad.
 
2014-02-20 08:30:25 AM

TwistedFark: RexTalionis: TwistedFark: Does anyone know what the actual terms of these deals are? Are they just that unfavourable for Marvel that they can't even sue for the rights back over crap like this?

On what possible ground do they have to sue?

Second definition, not first.


I don't know what that means. Would you care to explain?
 
2014-02-20 08:32:35 AM

RexTalionis: TwistedFark: Does anyone know what the actual terms of these deals are? Are they just that unfavourable for Marvel that they can't even sue for the rights back over crap like this?

On what possible ground do they have to sue?


I was assured that you could sue on the grounds that fark you, gimme my money back you dog-eared sonofabiatch.
 
2014-02-20 08:34:35 AM
I'm sure Kate Mara could pull a Sue Storm, but the rest is just horrid casting.
 
2014-02-20 08:36:09 AM

TwistedFark: Jesus Christ.

What does Marvel have to do to get the rights back to it's characters? I mean, fark the X-Men, they're crap, but why can't they at least get Spider-Man (their flagship character!) and the FF back???

Does anyone know what the actual terms of these deals are? Are they just that unfavourable for Marvel that they can't even sue for the rights back over crap like this?


The basic contract tenents are that Sony/Fox have to be actively 'using' the characters in a movie or with the intent to make a movie in a reasonable amount of time.  That is the reason we got a new Spiderman movie so fast after the 3rd one with Maquire.  It's the same reason a Daredevil movie was always in the 'works', So the rights didn't go back to Marvel (which they finally did).  There are also some clauses in the FOX deal that they own the 'mutants' in the Marvel universe which is why the Avengers series cannot use last Avengers like Wolverine, nor can they even mention that they exist.  In the contract is the understanding that the villians/associates that go with the heroes are Sony/Fox property as well which is why Silver Surfer, Venom, etc will not be in a Marvel movie either.

The one interesting this about this contract is the Scarlett Witch/Quicksilver characters.  They are going to be in both the new XMen movie and the Avengers series going forward.  Somehow Marvel was able to use them as long as they do not mention who their father is or that they are mutants.

Marvel sold these rights back in the 90's when they had no idea that they could make money with them on their own.  in the 70's and 80's there were a number of terrible TV shows and movies with the Marvel characters (as well as DC characters) and they thought no one would ever want to see a super hero movie again.  The last straw for a lot of them was the last two awful Batman movies.  When FOX decided to go forward with an XMen movie, everyone thought it would fail and then surprise...it was good and made alot of money.  Then came Spiderman, from another studio, and it made a ton of money and at that time Marvel realized it was too late to get the rights back and now here we are.

On another note, this casting makes the first two FF movie look good by comparison.  How much ret-conning are they going to need to do to have this CW cast of characters work for the FF.
 
2014-02-20 08:39:25 AM
If they can't get Bell they should get this guy.
www.geekbinge.com
 
2014-02-20 08:41:33 AM
I would have paid good money to see Hitler Jordan play one of the 4

creativejamie.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-20 08:42:49 AM

Walker: Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.


You wanna bet img.fark.net
 
2014-02-20 08:43:44 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Walker: Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.

You wanna bet [img.fark.net image 590x400]


BTW they are twins http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2012/03/31/beautiful-black-and-white-twin s -kian-and-remee-hodgson-turn-seven/
 
2014-02-20 08:45:41 AM
Marvel is going to want their logo back.
 
2014-02-20 08:48:09 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So... Johnny Storm had an early Flame On mishap that left him charred?


They better have Grimm make a charcoal briquette joke at some point.
 
2014-02-20 08:49:31 AM

RexTalionis: Walker: Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.

Why can't they be stepsiblings? Or adopted siblings?


Because they aren't?
Why not make Spiderman a woman in the next reboot?
Why not make Professor X Chinese?
 
2014-02-20 08:51:05 AM

Dhusk: MayoSlather: Dhusk: Walker: Worst. Casting. Ever.

Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.

WOW.  And here we have another Fark bigot who apparently has never stepped foot out into the real world.

Mixed race families are a reality, genius, and a very common one at that,  Why don't you step out of the 1950s and into the 21st Century?

I have no problem with the casting.  People ALWAYS biatch about casting choices until they see the final film.  The main problem is not what color their skin is, but if they can capture the essence of the character they're playing.

That's jumping way too fast to bigot. Characters have cultural backgrounds and relationships that make them who they are. Race plays into that. e.g. I would never want to see a white version of Blade.

And there is nothing in Johnny Storm's character that dictates that he HAS TO BE white.  And this is coming form someone who read FF comics for 20+ years, so I'm very intimately familiar with the character.

its much more important that Mike Jordan capture the essence and personality of the character, rather than whether his skin should be bleached for the role.

I remember people biatching about casting Idris Alba as Heimdall, a character who does arguably have a strong ethnic tie to a certain race, in the Thor movies.  Yet, he did an outstanding job in the role and no one is biatching about it now.

Skin color does not equal character. What's important is how he plays the role, not what he looks like.


I agree on principle.  Hell, I would agree if they picked two people that looked like they were related in any way to each other but they didn't.   I can guarantee you that they will be changing the characters origins for this which is why people are pissed, not because he is black.  Hell, I wouldn't have cared if Mr. Fantastic was black.  Or Ben Grimm was black.  I wouldn't care if Sue was black, and I don't care Johnny is black.  What annoys the shiat out of me is that Johnny and Sue are almost certainly not going to be blood siblings, and it is now going to have to be addressed in the film, which is going to change the characters.
 
2014-02-20 08:51:35 AM

FirstNationalBastard: RexTalionis: FirstNationalBastard: RexTalionis: I don't mind Michael B. Jordan playing Johnny Storm. I just don't think another Fantastic Four movie should be made. I don't think there is anything about this that would be interesting.

At this point, the only reason they're making this is so that the rights to the Fantastic Four's movie license doesn't revert back to Marvel and Disney and not about actually wanting to make a film (movie rights often have a clause where the rights revert back to the publisher due to non-use - Roger Corman actually made a cheap and never released Fantastic Four B-movie to prevent right reversion in the 90s). Same thing with the Spider-man reboots.

Yeah, if the movie had any chance of being good, I wouldn't care if Johnny Storm was black because reasons.

But it's obvious Fox is just shiatting out something to keep the rights away from Disney. So, It's Mockering Time.

Why would the motivation for making the movie make you care about the race of a character one way or the other?

It comes off as stunt casting for a bad movie made just to keep the rights to the franchise.

It seems like someone at Fox said "If we make the Human Torch black, boy, wouldn't that make people talk! They might not even notice we've got nothing else!"

And hell, as has been mentioned, it's unnecessarily complicating the Sue/Johnny family situation when the logical choice for diversification would be Reed.


Agreed and instead of having a black man playing a role where his character catches fire and opens up possible racist undertones (burnt skin). It would be better to cast a black man as Reed and you kill (if going for PR talk) two birds with one stone. Interracial romance and a black man as the very smart leader.  Kate Mara as Sue Storm. What has it become impossible to find a good blonde actress in hollywood these days
 
2014-02-20 08:52:59 AM

Dhusk: Walker: Worst. Casting. Ever.

Sue Storm and Johnny Storm are biological sister and brother. One can't be white while one is black. Stop with this "Well, we gotta have diversity" crap.

WOW.  And here we have another Fark bigot who apparently has never stepped foot out into the real world.

Mixed race families are a reality, genius, and a very common one at that,  Why don't you step out of the 1950s and into the 21st Century?

I have no problem with the casting.  People ALWAYS biatch about casting choices until they see the final film.  The main problem is not what color their skin is, but if they can capture the essence of the character they're playing.


I'm a bigot because the Fantastic Four are white, have always been white, and now I bring up the point they are changing the race of one for no valid reason? K. How about you write a story, create characters, then have some casting director go "F*ck you. I'm changing their colors cause well.....21st century man!"
 
2014-02-20 08:53:02 AM

The Burnaby Kid: Poor Kate Mara. She has to go from House of Cards to this drek.


I was more thinking she's way overrated....

Might her continuing roles be in some small part due to her family lineage?

/Nick (Copola) Cage
 
2014-02-20 08:53:46 AM
You MUST change the race and/or sex of at least one character in a reboot. FOR IT IS REBOOT LAW!
 
2014-02-20 08:54:34 AM

Walker: Why not make Spiderman a woman in the next reboot?


Why not?

www.spidermancrawlspace.com

Walker: Why not make Professor X Chinese?


So what?
 
2014-02-20 08:57:51 AM

RexTalionis: Walker: Why not make Spiderman a woman in the next reboot?

Why not?

[www.spidermancrawlspace.com image 486x738]

Walker: Why not make Professor X Chinese?

So what?


The fact is that certain things really change the dynamics of a character, and gender is the biggest change.  A huge part of Peter's Parker character is taking responsibility and kind of "living up" to his Uncle Ben, the only male role model he had growing up.  To change that would change his relationship to Uncle Ben, and to Aunt May.  You start making changes for no good reason and you ruin dynamics of the character.

Plus you kind of invalidate characters like Spider-Woman who could never come to screen, and she has her own unique history and powers.
 
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