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(Mirror.co.uk)   Cute teen girl who previously lived as a boy reaches final of Miss Coventry beauty competition, despite being subjected to death threats: "I felt it was important to make a stand. You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful" (w/pic)   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 409
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2014-02-20 03:31:14 PM  

Theaetetus: Since this clearly wasn't "relevant commentary", then it must have been one of those "humorous attempts with no real substance", right? And apparently it fell flat, maybe because there wasn't much context, or because your dry wit or sarcasm didn't come through in the comment. And someone took that comment as a slur, which, objectively, it certainly could be, if said with mean intent, no?

But yet, rather than being reasonable and apologizing for a shiatty joke with no ill intent that simply wasn't well received, you're getting mad at the people who were insulted? Who are you, Michael Richards?


He was quoting Monty Python.  I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that a joke was meant, not to offend, but just to reference a pretty famous movie.  Especially among Farkers.
 
2014-02-20 03:32:16 PM  

Boojum2k: Shadowknight: Wasn't he just quoting "Life of Brian?"

Quotation marks would have been helpful. I like Monty Python as much as the next Farker, but I don't have the whole movie memorized. That's reserved for Holy Grail.


Here's the scene in question.  Different time and all that, but I still think it carries the same funny today.
 
2014-02-20 03:33:31 PM  

Shadowknight: He was quoting Monty Python.  I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that a joke was meant, not to offend, but just to reference a pretty famous movie.  Especially among Farkers.


Poe's Law.
 
2014-02-20 03:35:59 PM  

Shadowknight: He was quoting Monty Python.  I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that a joke was meant, not to offend, but just to reference a pretty famous movie.  Especially among Farkers.


This:

Boojum2k: Quotation marks would have been helpful. I like Monty Python as much as the next Farker, but I don't have the whole movie memorized. That's reserved for Holy Grail.


and this:

hardinparamedic: Poe's Law.


and therefore this:

Theaetetus: But yet, rather than being reasonable and apologizing for a shiatty joke with no ill intent that simply wasn't well received, you're getting mad at the people who were insulted? Who are you, Michael Richards?

 
2014-02-20 03:36:02 PM  

hardinparamedic: You made the fark equivalent of a white guy going in a black comedy club and asking "What's the deal with you spooks, anyway?", and can't fathom why someone who is quite often attacked and persecuted - not just in real life - would find you offensive?


I think that is the very definition of false equivalence.  Didn't drop any slurs, or direct it at any particular person, or just make it up on the spot.  He quoted a movie from Monty Python.  You've been around Fark long enough to know that nothing is obscure or sacred, and if everyone wasn't so intent to stay on their soap box they'd probably have seen that and, at worst, ignored it as the non sequitur it was meant as.
 
2014-02-20 03:36:58 PM  

ReverendJasen: runcible spork: Like, for instance, my user profile, Mr Irresponsible Namecaller.

Sorry, Miss Douchettenozzle. ;)   I almost never look at peoples' profiles, mainly because I have no reason to know any details about you or care.  Which in turn, will certainly lead back to an affirmation about a lack of interest in significant dialogue.  This is a silly internet message board.  Anything approaching significant, important, or life-changing dialog is not to be found here.  As evidenced by 95% of the posts in any given thread, especially trollbait threads like this one.

Maybe I'm just cynical in my old age, having been interacting with assholes online since the 80s, but some people take this shiat way too serious.



So why are you here?

/ thanks for the apology
// but I see you still have a name-calling issue
 
2014-02-20 03:39:48 PM  

Shadowknight: See also: my joke about bisexuals being greedy and/or lazy.


We saw it already. I believe this is the third time now. I wish you would stop persecuting me. That was a 'opposite of what I feel' joke, btw. I mean that third sentence I typed. That was the joke.

But I hear you trying to defend someone who could possibly have just chosen a poor venue for just quoting things randomly in an attempt at humour (we've been doing it with Ghostbusters in here). But if, when called out on it, DigitalCoffee can't see or care how it could be hurtful to those who don't get the reference then it's probably not just exclusively poor timing and there's likely some measure of some form of malevolence at play, even if the culprit doesn't realize it themselves.

And then everyone absolutely jumps all over them and some people say the thicker you layer it on the better because it highlights this bad behaviour to others and the strong reaction forces the subject to consider their words and possibly learn and change for the better. Others, however, think that shaming people for bigotry too loudly and with too much enthusiasm only makes GLBT look like nutjobs and ultimately slows or damages the movement.

I'm not sure which has more truth to it, I've seen both happen, but I prefer when people go all out with their anti-bigotry because it is more hilarious that way. The more jumping to conclusions and general breakdown of back and forth communication, the better.
 
2014-02-20 03:40:08 PM  

spiritplumber: Quick PC-Britishism explanation: "Girl who lived as a boy" means "MTF, but we're being proper, and recognizing that she's a girl with a birth defect rather than a boy with identity issues".


That's not 'PC-Britishism', that's called 'accurate descriptions'. Seriously, being accurate\polite is not 'PC'.
 
2014-02-20 03:40:56 PM  
Theaetetus:

So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question?  I mean, in ordinary circles or at a dinner party, that wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that someone was being a dick.  Just blurting that out to a bunch of people that aren't likely in on the joke would be uncalled for.

But this is Fark.  Just in the last 24 hours I've seen quoted references to the 1927 Metropolis movie, the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, and two quotes from Optimus Prime.  If Monty Python is too obscure, things have gone crooked somewhere.
 
2014-02-20 03:44:04 PM  

Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because


after being called out on it, his responses isn't "damn, sorry, that was a quote from Life of Brian" it was to act like he was somehow the offended party, and to play the equivalent "but I've got n-word privileges!" card..

In a nutshell.
 
2014-02-20 03:44:22 PM  

Shadowknight: Boojum2k: DigitalCoffee: Well, that devolved quickly

Just to politely point out, you made a statement equivalent to asking "where do black people hide their tails" and then when called out on it respond with "I have lots of black friends."

You earned the smackdown, an apology is in order from you, not Maggie.

Wasn't he just quoting "Life of Brian?"  Isn't that something Fark always does, quote Monty Python at the slightest provocation?  I mean, it IS Fark.  Making off color jokes and references to various movies in geek culture is just kind of our thing, even if the joke is the complete opposite of what we feel.  See also: my joke about bisexuals being greedy and/or lazy.


Yes, it was a quote from Life of Brian. Someone else also pointed this out upthread with a youtube link to the scene. There are those that can find humor in almost anything until you touch their pet subject. Then it's Muslim Cleric Moral Outrage taken to eleven. Whatever, those that want to be outraged will always find a reason.
 
2014-02-20 03:45:19 PM  

Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question made a joke that failed and apparently unintentionally insulted someone, and if he's a good person who intended no offense, then he should simply apologize and explain that it was a movie quote, which would fix any hurt feelings, rather than going off on a three paragraph rant about how he's the reaaaal victim here?


FTFY. And yes, I think that's reasonable. Whenever I make a joke that flops and someone looks insulted, I apologize. Then we have cookies. Everyone likes cookies.
 
2014-02-20 03:50:56 PM  

DigitalCoffee: Yes, it was a quote from Life of Brian.


And Maggie didn't get it, and was insulted, because without the context provided, it's exactly like the same insults the transphobic trolls like to sling in these threads.
The correct response was "damn, sorry, that was a quote from Life of Brian, I wasn't attacking just trying to be funny" not your defensive posturing.
 
2014-02-20 03:51:12 PM  

Theaetetus: Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question made a joke that failed and apparently unintentionally insulted someone, and if he's a good person who intended no offense, then he should simply apologize and explain that it was a movie quote, which would fix any hurt feelings, rather than going off on a three paragraph rant about how he's the reaaaal victim here?

FTFY. And yes, I think that's reasonable. Whenever I make a joke that flops and someone looks insulted, I apologize. Then we have cookies. Everyone likes cookies.



Fark you! I hate cookies. OK that was a lie. Sorry. Have a Thin Mint?
 
2014-02-20 03:51:55 PM  
It's, uhm, wafer-thin?
 
2014-02-20 03:52:09 PM  

runcible spork: Have a Thin Mint?


Yes, but their downstairs and I won't share. Because I'm greedy and lazy like that.
 
2014-02-20 03:52:46 PM  

Boojum2k: their


they're.
 
2014-02-20 03:52:54 PM  
Oh crap, now I've insulted anorexic cookies.
 
2014-02-20 03:53:02 PM  

Shadowknight: Theaetetus:

So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question?  I mean, in ordinary circles or at a dinner party, that wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that someone was being a dick.  Just blurting that out to a bunch of people that aren't likely in on the joke would be uncalled for.

But this is Fark.  Just in the last 24 hours I've seen quoted references to the 1927 Metropolis movie, the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, and two quotes from Optimus Prime.  If Monty Python is too obscure, things have gone crooked somewhere.


Fine whatever sure it's the height of wit to post Admiral Akbar in every trans thread,sure it's a man baby is funny, haha I know Monty Python, still I'm fed up with the bs.
 
2014-02-20 03:54:40 PM  

Boojum2k: Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because

after being called out on it, his responses isn't "damn, sorry, that was a quote from Life of Brian" it was to act like he was somehow the offended party, and to play the equivalent "but I've got n-word privileges!" card..

In a nutshell.


While I can see that, and understand it to a point, he wasn't here for the entire thread.  He posted at the begining, and presumably went off to work or something, unlike us slackers.  Most people here took turns using his post like a virtual pinata.  He came back to see 250 posts condemning him as a bigot.

He could have covered it better, but I also get why he responded the way he did.  Much like I can understand why people that didn't recognize the quote would react the way they did.  I'm saying that the fail was going both ways.

/much like some of the posters in this thread
//*sad trombone noise*
 
2014-02-20 03:56:31 PM  

Shadowknight: Theaetetus:

So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question?  I mean, in ordinary circles or at a dinner party, that wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that someone was being a dick.  Just blurting that out to a bunch of people that aren't likely in on the joke would be uncalled for.

But this is Fark.  Just in the last 24 hours I've seen quoted references to the 1927 Metropolis movie, the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, and two quotes from Optimus Prime.  If Monty Python is too obscure, things have gone crooked somewhere.


Movie quotes don't exist in a vaccuum. They're a form of communication all to themselves. Regarding the Ghostbusters in this thread, I believe Epic Fap Guy started it off with the 'mass hysteria' line, which was actually his opinion regarding the activity in this thread. It's not fully random.

TFA or at least the headline made DigitalCoffee automatically think of that provocative fetus-in-a-box quote instead of something more endearing like say the song Lola by The Kinks or My Vagina by NOFX or something like that. And then like Theaetetus said (thanks a lot, btw, for making me agree with that thing) there was no remorse about it. When people put their foot in their mouths they usually get embarrassed about it. So I don't believe quoting that post was completely 100% innocent, no. It's up to DigitalCoffee to dissect it any further than that.
 
2014-02-20 03:56:52 PM  

Fafai: And then everyone absolutely jumps all over them and some people say the thicker you layer it on the better


I thought this statement was going to wind up in a whole different place. . .
 
2014-02-20 03:57:24 PM  

Shadowknight: Boojum2k: Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because

after being called out on it, his responses isn't "damn, sorry, that was a quote from Life of Brian" it was to act like he was somehow the offended party, and to play the equivalent "but I've got n-word privileges!" card..

In a nutshell.

While I can see that, and understand it to a point, he wasn't here for the entire thread.  He posted at the begining, and presumably went off to work or something, unlike us slackers.  Most people here took turns using his post like a virtual pinata.  He came back to see 250 posts condemning him as a bigot.

He could have covered it better, but I also get why he responded the way he did.  Much like I can understand why people that didn't recognize the quote would react the way they did.  I'm saying that the fail was going both ways.


Yes, people who get insulted by poorly presented jokes are just as bad as people who make poorly presented jokes. Why, really, Maggie should be the one apologizing to him!

ಠ_ಠ
 
2014-02-20 03:57:41 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Fine whatever sure it's the height of wit to post Admiral Akbar in every trans thread,sure it's a man baby is funny, haha I know Monty Python, still I'm fed up with the bs.


Fed up, I can understand.  But humor can be therapeutic, and it can also just be for humors' own sake.

If you're attacking those that actually support you for imagined transgressions, the road to acceptance is going to be a lot rougher than it already is.
 
2014-02-20 03:59:23 PM  

Shadowknight: If you're attacking those that actually support you for imagined transgressions, the road to acceptance is going to be a lot rougher than it already is.


If those that actually support you are making comments that are indistinguishable from imagined transgressions, and then demanding apologies when you get upset, are they  actually supporting you?

I.e., with friends like these, who needs enemies?
 
2014-02-20 03:59:24 PM  

Boojum2k: Fafai: And then everyone absolutely jumps all over them and some people say the thicker you layer it on the better

I thought this statement was going to wind up in a whole different place. . .


I like you.
 
2014-02-20 03:59:52 PM  

Shadowknight: If you're attacking those that actually support you


I have yet to see any evidence of that in Digital Coffee's case. His responses seem more like concern troll than genuine supporter. "I posted an insulting offensive quote, and when it offends someone, they're wrong for being offended and maybe I shouldn't support these people."
 
2014-02-20 04:01:00 PM  

Fafai: TFA or at least the headline made DigitalCoffee automatically think of that provocative fetus-in-a-box quote instead of something more endearing like say the song Lola by The Kinks or My Vagina by NOFX or something like that.


See, I've never heard of either of those things.  If you had made either reference, I would have had absolutely no context of what you were talking about either.  I wouldn't have given me the right to go off on a screed over it, though.

Maybe Digital Coffee would have been better off to just post the link with the quote, instead of assuming people knew what he was talking about.  But maybe a two-minute-hate: minority edition wasn't the way to respond.
 
2014-02-20 04:01:48 PM  

Fafai: I like you.


Thanks, same to you!
 
2014-02-20 04:02:24 PM  

Shadowknight: See, I've never heard of either of those things.


You haven't heard Lola? How young ARE you?
 
2014-02-20 04:02:41 PM  

Shadowknight: tinfoil-hat maggie: Fine whatever sure it's the height of wit to post Admiral Akbar in every trans thread,sure it's a man baby is funny, haha I know Monty Python, still I'm fed up with the bs.

Fed up, I can understand.  But humor can be therapeutic, and it can also just be for humors' own sake.

If you're attacking those that actually support you for imagined transgressions, the road to acceptance is going to be a lot rougher than it already is.


Lolz
 
2014-02-20 04:03:18 PM  

Theaetetus: Yes, people who get insulted by poorly presented jokes are just as bad as people who make poorly presented jokes. Why, really, Maggie should be the one apologizing to him!

ಠ_ಠ


You are being purposefully obtuse.  I'm not saying that.  What I am saying is that people are taking posts made on the internet via a site that prides itself on being irreverent and slightly mean at times.  THIS IS WHAT WE DO.  

Well, at least outside of the politics tab...
 
2014-02-20 04:06:44 PM  

Boojum2k: Shadowknight: If you're attacking those that actually support you

I have yet to see any evidence of that in Digital Coffee's case. His responses seem more like concern troll than genuine supporter. "I posted an insulting offensive quote, and when it offends someone, they're wrong for being offended and maybe I shouldn't support these people."


Ok, true enough.  But he is also pissed off for being called a bigot and may be just being stubborn about owning up to his own side of the fark up.  read:  Not posting the clip for context and assuming that the quote would be known.

Doesn't excuse it, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.  I've seen him post before on various threads and he's never expressed any misogynistic, homophobic, or any other derogatory views that I've seen.  Thus, my giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Didn't we just talk about taking thing in context?
 
2014-02-20 04:07:52 PM  

Boojum2k: You haven't heard Lola? How young ARE you?


33.  Just grew up in a rural area and had limited access and interest in music.
 
2014-02-20 04:08:17 PM  

Theaetetus: Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question made a joke that failed and apparently unintentionally insulted someone, and if he's a good person who intended no offense, then he should simply apologize and explain that it was a movie quote, which would fix any hurt feelings, rather than going off on a three paragraph rant about how he's the reaaaal victim here?

FTFY. And yes, I think that's reasonable. Whenever I make a joke that flops and someone looks insulted, I apologize. Then we have cookies. Everyone likes cookies.


Seriously, just say sorry instead of being such an asshat. How farking hard is it.
 
2014-02-20 04:09:08 PM  

Shadowknight: Theaetetus: Yes, people who get insulted by poorly presented jokes are just as bad as people who make poorly presented jokes. Why, really, Maggie should be the one apologizing to him!

ಠ_ಠ

You are being purposefully obtuse.  I'm not saying that.  What I am saying is that people are taking posts made on the internet via a site that prides itself on being irreverent and slightly mean at times.  THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
Well, at least outside of the politics tab...


No he's not what you said sounded like if sit quietly on the back of the bus I'll be accepted. I don't need your acceptance doll.
 
2014-02-20 04:10:15 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadowknight: tinfoil-hat maggie: Fine whatever sure it's the height of wit to post Admiral Akbar in every trans thread,sure it's a man baby is funny, haha I know Monty Python, still I'm fed up with the bs.

Fed up, I can understand.  But humor can be therapeutic, and it can also just be for humors' own sake.

If you're attacking those that actually support you for imagined transgressions, the road to acceptance is going to be a lot rougher than it already is.

Lolz


Believe what you want, I guess.  I guess it feels good to be on the side of righteous indignation.  I've been there myself.  Rarely accomplishes anything, though.  So have fun with that.
 
2014-02-20 04:11:50 PM  

Shadowknight: Boojum2k: You haven't heard Lola? How young ARE you?

33.  Just grew up in a rural area and had limited access and interest in music.

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=gaMS_5i0Bbs

Enjoy! It's a great song.
 
2014-02-20 04:14:27 PM  

Shadowknight: He came back to see 250 posts condemning him as a bigot.


Shadowknight: maybe a two-minute-hate: minority edition wasn't the way to respond


This is what I meant by hilarious. It's all very entertaining. But the thing is, you're care-posting about this guy too, while complaining about essentially the same thing. The trick is to not care about anything at all. Only then can you shout THIS IS WHAT WE DO without being a hypocrite, but of course if you've reached that point then you wouldn't care enough to shout it in caps).
 
2014-02-20 04:18:51 PM  
Pic in the article kind of looks like the Amish hottie in Banshee.
 
2014-02-20 04:21:06 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: No he's not what you said sounded like if sit quietly on the back of the bus I'll be accepted. I don't need your acceptance doll.


That isn't what I said at all, and you know it.  I'm saying that maybe, just this once, you overreacted to a joke that he wrongfully assumed that everyone would get.  Given his response, maybe not I'll grant you, but you thumped on him plenty already before he ever even came back in this thread.

I never said to sit quietly and WAIT to be accepted.  I'm saying that, in context of this site being what it is, maybe the cyber-shaming wasn't warranted.  

As far as "my acceptance" goes, hey, you already have it.  I don't care what you do with your genitalia.  I am happy for you, as are my trans friends (who admittedly weren't out as trans when I met them, but that's here nor there).  But I think it's pretty obvious that yes, you do want acceptance.  Outside of humans being social animals that of course want to be accepted into the group dynamic, if you truly didn't need others' acceptance you wouldn't be in this thread, screaming to the heavens for someone to "suck your dick" over a movie quote.  You wouldn't be proudly proclaiming that you have sent out multiple BIEs with no one realizing you were trans.  

You obviously want acceptance, even if not on an individual basis, or you wouldn't be here.  And that's fine, and expected.  And I also can't blame you for your anger, and wouldn't presume as a straight, white male to even begin to try to take that away from you.  The world sucks for people with your circumstances.  I'm just saying that misplaced anger and pessimism just keeps you angry, and doesn't fix anything.  All it does is drive people away.
 
2014-02-20 04:21:56 PM  

Shadowknight: Theaetetus: Yes, people who get insulted by poorly presented jokes are just as bad as people who make poorly presented jokes. Why, really, Maggie should be the one apologizing to him!

ಠ_ಠ

You are being purposefully obtuse.  I'm not saying that.  What I am saying is that people are taking posts made on the internet via a site that prides itself on being irreverent and slightly mean at times.  THIS IS WHAT WE DO.


Not at all. You said that there was "fail on both sides". I don't see how getting insulted by a comment that is insulting  if taken out of context is a fail  when there's no context provided. And by presenting the "both sides are bad, so can't we all just get along" argument, you're minimizing the feelings of the injured party.
 
2014-02-20 04:22:11 PM  

Boojum2k: http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=gaMS_5i0Bbs

Enjoy! It's a great song.


Alright, I know that song.  I just never listened to the lyrics before.  I'm a philistine when it comes to music.
 
2014-02-20 04:22:13 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: I'm curious anyone here that identifies as straight willing to date or have sex with a MTF transgendered person?


I don't have a problem with that conceptually.
Frankly, the only person that I have ever met and interacted with that I know for a fact* was post operative Male-to-female.
I knew her briefly as a man.   She wasn't an attractive man, and sadly she made (to my eyes) an even less attractive female.  So that any desire to date her was very much off the table.  But that wasn't related to her being transgendered.

// * I am notoriously oblivious to this kind of thing.   So I might have known others but just not realised it.
// My gaydar, for example, only kicks in for Richard Simmons level flaming.
 
2014-02-20 04:23:31 PM  

Shadowknight: tinfoil-hat maggie: No he's not what you said sounded like if sit quietly on the back of the bus I'll be accepted. I don't need your acceptance doll.

That isn't what I said at all, and you know it.  I'm saying that maybe, just this once, you overreacted to a joke that he wrongfully assumed that everyone would get.  Given his response, maybe not I'll grant you, but you thumped on him plenty already before he ever even came back in this thread.

I never said to sit quietly and WAIT to be accepted.  I'm saying that, in context of this site being what it is, maybe the cyber-shaming wasn't warranted.  

As far as "my acceptance" goes, hey, you already have it.  I don't care what you do with your genitalia.  I am happy for you, as are my trans friends (who admittedly weren't out as trans when I met them, but that's here nor there).  But I think it's pretty obvious that yes, you do want acceptance.  Outside of humans being social animals that of course want to be accepted into the group dynamic, if you truly didn't need others' acceptance you wouldn't be in this thread, screaming to the heavens for someone to "suck your dick" over a movie quote.  You wouldn't be proudly proclaiming that you have sent out multiple BIEs with no one realizing you were trans.  

You obviously want acceptance, even if not on an individual basis, or you wouldn't be here.  And that's fine, and expected.  And I also can't blame you for your anger, and wouldn't presume as a straight, white male to even begin to try to take that away from you.  The world sucks for people with your circumstances.  I'm just saying that misplaced anger and pessimism just keeps you angry, and doesn't fix anything.  All it does is drive people away.


The lady doth protest too much methinks..


/seriously, you could have said "sorry" and moved on, no harm no foul
//had nothing against you at first
///your continual "I DID NOTHING WRONG!" got a bit tiresome
 
2014-02-20 04:26:18 PM  

Shadowknight: I'm just saying that misplaced anger and pessimism just keeps you angry, and doesn't fix anything.  All it does is drive people away.


You mean like ranting about how your joke was poorly received and therefore you're the real victim? ;)
 
2014-02-20 04:27:12 PM  

grumpfuff: /seriously, you could have said "sorry" and moved on, no harm no foul
//had nothing against you at first
///your continual "I DID NOTHING WRONG!" got a bit tiresome


(although it should be noted that Shadowknight is not DigitalCoffee)
 
2014-02-20 04:28:12 PM  

Theaetetus: grumpfuff: /seriously, you could have said "sorry" and moved on, no harm no foul
//had nothing against you at first
///your continual "I DID NOTHING WRONG!" got a bit tiresome

(although it should be noted that Shadowknight is not DigitalCoffee)


(meant both of them, should have been more specific)
 
2014-02-20 04:28:12 PM  

Theaetetus: Not at all. You said that there was "fail on both sides". I don't see how getting insulted by a comment that is insulting  if taken out of context is a fail  when there's no context provided. And by presenting the "both sides are bad, so can't we all just get along" argument, you're minimizing the feelings of the injured party.


I'm saying that while his initial post was probably better in context, long before he came back with his own angry "How dare you!" rant, you guys were throwing his quote through the grinder.  Even after people corrected for him, and told you it was a movie quote from one of Fark's most beloved institutions, the slinging continued.  

You burned him in effigy over an attempt, failed as it may be, at a joke.  His response was just as uncouth, but it doesn't excuse what came before.  

But, I can see you are entrenched in your position and won't be swayed.  In fact, you're probably just as happy to toss me on the digital pyre.  Whatever makes you feel righteous.
 
2014-02-20 04:29:41 PM  

grumpfuff: The lady doth protest too much methinks..


/seriously, you could have said "sorry" and moved on, no harm no foul
//had nothing against you at first
///your continual "I DID NOTHING WRONG!" got a bit tiresome


I'm not him.  DigitalCoffee made the original post.  And I am saying that he did wrong by not posting a link and leaving the quote out of context, AND coming back and angrily firing back instead of simply explaining himself.
 
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