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(Mirror.co.uk)   Cute teen girl who previously lived as a boy reaches final of Miss Coventry beauty competition, despite being subjected to death threats: "I felt it was important to make a stand. You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful" (w/pic)   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 409
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2014-02-19 11:10:37 PM
You have to be a ridiculously sick farker to threaten anyone's life, let alone a teenage girl's life.
 
2014-02-19 11:30:21 PM

Serious Black: You have to be a ridiculously sick farker to threaten anyone's life, let alone a teenage girl's life.


The threats all appear to have been exclusively of the internet variety, and threats from internet tough guys are the equivalent of brief eye contact in the actual world.
 
2014-02-20 12:46:18 AM
So conflicted. She lived as a boy but wants to be in a Beauty Contest (which is the epitome of misogyny) as a girl. She's giggity-style cute, but only 17.

Considering idontwanttoliveonthisplanet.jpg
 
2014-02-20 12:52:33 AM
www.b12partners.net

/no, really. That's their excuse.
 
2014-02-20 01:45:44 AM
not that pretty, as a girl or as a boy (imagined).  Standards have dropped.
 
2014-02-20 01:45:58 AM
So is it a squishmitten down there or a jolly bishop?
 
2014-02-20 01:46:55 AM

diaphoresis: not that pretty, as a girl or as a boy (imagined).  Standards have dropped.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-20 01:48:49 AM

hardinparamedic: diaphoresis: not that pretty, as a girl or as a boy (imagined).  Standards have dropped.

[i.imgur.com image 608x480]


LOL
 
2014-02-20 01:53:08 AM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2014-02-20 01:53:19 AM
Quick PC-Britishism explanation: "Girl who lived as a boy" means "MTF, but we're being proper, and recognizing that she's a girl with a birth defect rather than a boy with identity issues".
 
2014-02-20 01:54:34 AM
Sounds like competition was tough


i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-20 01:58:20 AM
She's cute.
 
2014-02-20 01:58:23 AM
i.imgur.com

(Actually an actress posing)

i.imgur.com

(still posing as a Coventry pregnant chav)
 
2014-02-20 02:00:39 AM
Uhhhh... not going to go all sharp-knees here but she still looks like a dude in drag.
 
2014-02-20 02:03:51 AM
British hot.

24.media.tumblr.com

Upholding a fine music hall tradition of men going on the stage in drag.
 
2014-02-20 02:05:01 AM
Jordan does have the distinction of being the only Miss Coventry contestant with a penis.
 
2014-02-20 02:06:37 AM
Yeesh
 
2014-02-20 02:08:44 AM
A teenage girl who lived as a boy until a year ago has reached the final of the Miss Coventry beauty queen competition.
Brave Jordan Davis says she's determined to



We get it, you're a pretentious tool.  But at least Facebook is now more accommodating to your form of body dysmorphic disorder.
 
2014-02-20 02:08:46 AM

wildcardjack: British hot.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 447x700]

Upholding a fine music hall tradition of men going on the stage in drag.


*golf clap*

seriously though, that's not a girl in the article.
 
2014-02-20 02:08:57 AM
Must be eddie izzards son
 
2014-02-20 02:11:57 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-02-20 02:15:23 AM
Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?
 
2014-02-20 02:17:02 AM

mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 615x408]


Aww. She's actually kinda cute. Best of luck to her.
 
2014-02-20 02:19:10 AM
Make up your mind. There are only two kind of people.
1} biatch
2} SON OF A biatch
 
2014-02-20 02:19:51 AM
"If I wanted to fark 12 year old boys I would have stayed in the priesthood"
 
2014-02-20 02:19:53 AM
Eh, you know what, fark it. If I was 17 and provided she has the correct unmentionable bits, I'd probably hit it. But no penises. I don't like penis.
 
2014-02-20 02:21:18 AM

Flying Lasagna Monster: A teenage girl who lived as a boy until a year ago has reached the final of the Miss Coventry beauty queen competition.
Brave Jordan Davis says she's determined to


We get it, you're a pretentious tool.  But at least Facebook is now more accommodating to your form of body dysmorphic disorder.


Wut? Not sure how to classify this post.
 
2014-02-20 02:25:33 AM
FTA:  You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful except for me, I felt it necessary to undergo gender-bending to look and/or be a certain way, so I guess I contradict myself by my choices.

FTFY
 
2014-02-20 02:26:57 AM

Flying Lasagna Monster: A teenage girl who lived as a boy until a year ago has reached the final of the Miss Coventry beauty queen competition.
Brave Jordan Davis says she's determined to


We get it, you're a pretentious tool.  But at least Facebook is now more accommodating to your form of body dysmorphic disorder.


Ah! A graduate of the esteemed Bob Jones mail order psychology and hot pretzel stand program!
 
2014-02-20 02:28:39 AM
Did she go on stage to Goodbye Horses?

Joking aside, I'd hit it.
-J-
 
2014-02-20 02:30:46 AM
I think it had the right idea the first go around, when I look at it I see a boy and not a girl. Then again the Farkfu could be strong with subbys headline and the submission and now I see it as to what it \was suggested as.
 
2014-02-20 02:30:48 AM
Would poke and enjoy / 10.
 
2014-02-20 02:31:06 AM
fc06.deviantart.net

Drain his/her essence!
 
2014-02-20 02:38:25 AM

DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?


WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .
 
2014-02-20 02:40:47 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .


Keep in mind there's plenty of non-haters around here. Illegitimi non carborundum!
 
2014-02-20 02:42:47 AM
i1.mirror.co.uk

C'mon Jordan, forget about the bullies - show some stiff lower lip...that's it.
media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com
 
2014-02-20 02:45:57 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .


don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there
 
2014-02-20 02:45:57 AM
I honestly think she can win the realest real doll award, cause seriously that picture only makes her look like one.

resources0.news.com.au
 
2014-02-20 02:46:08 AM
You could post an article about adopting puppies and, if enough people read it, get internet comment death threats.  I'm so tired of the media cherry picking some random anonymous tweets from the trolls out there and creating click-bait outrage articles.  I would be surprised if the vast majority of people weren't either supportive or at least neutral on the topic.  Just like the gays in pro sports issues, it's more controversial these days when someone opposes these types of things.

/Good luck to her in the competition.  If her talents and merits warrant a win, go for it!
 
2014-02-20 02:47:07 AM
Hopefully this young man makes it all the way.
 
2014-02-20 02:48:40 AM
Lived as a boy? OMG what PC bullshiat this site has turned into.
 
2014-02-20 02:49:08 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .


Is that the cock you were born with or the one you had made?

I don't know which gender direction you're shooting for.
 
2014-02-20 02:52:16 AM

Githerax: FTA:  You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful except for me, I felt it necessary to undergo gender-bending to look and/or be a certain way, so I guess I contradict myself by my choices.

FTFY


Nice cherry picking there. Let's have some context:

FTFA: "I felt it was important to make a stand. To say you can define beauty in many ways. You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful."
 
2014-02-20 02:53:02 AM

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

Keep in mind there's plenty of non-haters around here. Illegitimi non carborundum!


Yea and they're are the reason I felt safe to come out but you have to understand I've been reading Fark trans threads since '03 '04 I,'ve had people threaten me with bodily harm here sure thy got disapeareared but....
 
xcv
2014-02-20 02:53:22 AM
He's making a stand for misogyny. Real teenage girls face enough social pressure already without him taking his sexual fetish public.
 
2014-02-20 02:53:22 AM

Githerax: FTA:  You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful except for me, I felt it necessary to undergo gender-bending to look and/or be a certain way, so I guess I contradict myself by my choices.

FTFY


Completely.

Even is she was born a chick, it's still a beauty contest. By its definition, you have to look a certain way to win. Ugos don't win those things specifically because they don't/can't conform to a standard of beauty. Let me know when they start having "great personality pageants".

As an ugo, I can confirm this finding.
 
2014-02-20 02:55:02 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Yea and they're are the reason I felt safe to come out but you have to understand I've been reading Fark trans threads since '03 '04 I,'ve had people threaten me with bodily harm here sure thy got disapeareared but....


They don't have the guts. Petty little pathetic trolls who want to bring people down to their own miserable level. It's easy to concoct insults to hurt anyone. I'd start with the trolls' mothers, but apparently there's a waiting list. . .
 
2014-02-20 02:55:23 AM

diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there


See this is the stupid troll.
 
2014-02-20 02:57:36 AM
I guess the Sun doesn't go quite as heavy on the photoshop as the Mirror does.

img.thesun.co.uk
 
2014-02-20 02:58:26 AM

xcv: He's making a stand for misogyny. Real teenage girls face enough social pressure already without him taking his sexual fetish public.


2/10. Points for "transgender = sexual fetish" but you lost it with the opening line.
 
2014-02-20 02:58:26 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-20 02:58:29 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

See this is the stupid troll.


tsk tsk.. you're looking for trolls where there are none. Perhaps you are mentally ill after all.
 
2014-02-20 02:59:23 AM

Alx_xlA: I guess the Sun doesn't go quite as heavy on the photoshop as the Mirror does.

[img.thesun.co.uk image 620x413]


Still looks better than most British women.
 
2014-02-20 03:00:41 AM

diaphoresis: you're looking for trolls where there are none


Well, there's you. The rest haven't finished with your mom yet.
 
2014-02-20 03:01:29 AM

insertsnarkyusername: Alx_xlA: I guess the Sun doesn't go quite as heavy on the photoshop as the Mirror does.

[img.thesun.co.uk image 620x413]

Still looks better than most British women.



Ouch.
 
2014-02-20 03:01:51 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUBAx8jbYNs



Rogers: Why are you always on about women, Stan?
Stan: I want to be one.
Reg: What?
Stan: I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to
call me Loretta.
Reg: What?
Loretta: It's my right as a man.
Judith: Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
Loretta: I want to have babies.
Reg: You want to have babies?!
Loretta: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants
them.
Reg: But...you can't have babies!
Loretta: Don't you opress me!
Reg: I'm not opressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb.
Where is the foetus going to gestate? You're going to keep
it in a
box?
Loretta: Sniff.
Judith: Here, I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he
can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is
nobody's
fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right
to have babies.
Rogers: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for
your right to have babies, brother. Sister! Sorry.
Reg: What's the point?
Rogers: What?
Reg: What's the point of fighting for his right to have
babies, when he can't have babies?
Rogers: It is symbolic of our struggle against opression.
Reg: Symbolic of his struggle against reality.
-- 1979 --
 
2014-02-20 03:03:10 AM

Boojum2k: diaphoresis: you're looking for trolls where there are none

Well, there's you. The rest haven't finished with your mom yet.


I have no doubt whatsoever that there are Farkers out there who are into necrophilia. Thank you for helping me point out with the mentally ill comment. Your support is appreciated.
 
2014-02-20 03:03:17 AM

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: Yea and they're are the reason I felt safe to come out but you have to understand I've been reading Fark trans threads since '03 '04 I,'ve had people threaten me with bodily harm here sure thy got disapeareared but....

They don't have the guts. Petty little pathetic trolls who want to bring people down to their own miserable level. It's easy to concoct insults to hurt anyone. I'd start with the trolls' mothers, but apparently there's a waiting list. . .


See I don't wanna hurt anyone. I just wanna comment on fark while I get drunk. The trollls well I have a list and it's longer than Skokums ; )
 
2014-02-20 03:04:49 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: The trollls well I have a list


Mikado-style? Heheheheh.
 
2014-02-20 03:05:08 AM

Alx_xlA: I guess the Sun doesn't go quite as heavy on the photoshop as the Mirror does.


Kinda rough, but the real question is whether or not she sounds like a complete rambling idiot when she gets a question from the judges that she hasn't memorized a response for.
 
2014-02-20 03:06:18 AM

diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

See this is the stupid troll.

tsk tsk.. you're looking for trolls where there are none. Perhaps you are mentally ill after all.


Oh really funny how I had you tagged as troll, LOL.
 
2014-02-20 03:06:43 AM
 
2014-02-20 03:07:15 AM
FTFA: I felt it was important to make a stand. To say you can define beauty in many ways. You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful.

memedepot.com

BEAUTY PAGEANTS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY.

/this is an anti-beauty pageant comment

//not an anti-trans comment
 
2014-02-20 03:08:52 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

See this is the stupid troll.

tsk tsk.. you're looking for trolls where there are none. Perhaps you are mentally ill after all.

Oh really funny how I had you tagged as troll, LOL.


No, sad really. The statement I made could have been taken either way. It's 'you' that chose to make it all about you, not the actually mentally ill people who have a limited idea of identity. Feel free to rant though.
 
2014-02-20 03:10:13 AM

Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: The trollls well I have a list

Mikado-style? Heheheheh.


Not sure on th =e meaning of that but well.. fark give the girl a break and yes she is a girl.
 
2014-02-20 03:11:22 AM

diaphoresis: No, sad really.


i235.photobucket.com
 
2014-02-20 03:13:04 AM

Theaetetus: diaphoresis: No, sad really.

[i235.photobucket.com image 240x240]


Thanks.
 
2014-02-20 03:13:34 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Not sure on th =e meaning of that but well.. fark give the girl a break and yes she is a girl.


You don't now the Mikado? Classic Gilbert & Sullivan!
If someday it may happen that a victim must be found
I've got a little list, I've got a little list
Of society's offenders who may well be underground
And who never would be missed, they never would be missed.


And yes, she's a girl. I hope she does well in the pageant, even if she doesn't win.
 
2014-02-20 03:14:53 AM

Boojum2k: You don't know The Mikado?


FTFM
 
2014-02-20 03:15:41 AM
"You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful.

True. Obviously.


"I may not have been born a girl, but I am no less female than the rest of the girls."

False. S/he may be no less feminine, FWIW I've known several straight men who were more feminine than a lot of straight women, but by definition she is and always will be less female. Regardless of what you look like, feel & act like and who you're attracted to, you're female if you're born XX. Period. Those who are completely androgen insensitive are very very close--sometimes even they don't know till a doctor tells them after examination or testing, and it's hard to imagine seeing them as guys even if they insist on it--but still by definition they're males with a weird "birth defect," not females. A fact's a fact.

This is not to hate on "T-words"--I've known several and been attracted to a few--only to insist on a scientific definition. You know: the Earth revolves around the Sun, and (at least among mammals) a female is one who is born XX.

And as transgenders go my personal aesthetic/sexual opinion is that it's better when it doesn't go too far: I prefer transgenders without fake tits and with cocks/balls that work. "Crossdressing," lasering off superfluous facial hair and so on are fine, but the best part about it is feminine beauty I can suck off. (And I don't mean "be[ing] made to suck cock" either: try to make me when I don't want to and you'll get it bitten off whether you like it or not.) Sex and gender are different things, and the "inside" doesn't have to match the "outside." AFAIC it's often better when it doesn't.

This does NOT mean I'd try to stop anybody from getting completely "reassigned," only that once the process goes beyond a certain point the attraction dies. My wild ass guess is that's why Chastity Bono's lesbian lover broke up with Chaz: if she'd wanted a transman she'd have hooked up with one to begin with. And I, a life-long militant BiQueer, simply can't imagine having sex with Chaz Bono either.

But hey, if some people want to consider my insistence on proper scientific labeling and my personal preference for gender-benders with working cocks as tantamount to declaring that "All T-words must die!!!!" then that's their problem.

As for the lovely in the article, as long as my stipulation is satisfied I'd have no objection to receiving Miss Coventry as a birthday present. As long as Jordan's over 18 by then: the Age of Consent is 16 in KY but most Americans are very easily confused and prone to violence when they get that way.
 
2014-02-20 03:16:18 AM

diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

...

No, sad really. The statement I made could have been taken either way. It's 'you' that chose to make it all about you, not the actually mentally ill people who have a limited idea of identity. Feel free to rant though.


Maybe it could have been "taken either way" when you had it in your head before you typed it out. However, the way you typed the reply out does imply (and readily lends itself to the interpretation) that you think transgender people are mentally ill.

I am happy to be wrong about this, but that's the implication I got when I read it.
 
2014-02-20 03:16:56 AM

diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

See this is the stupid troll.

tsk tsk.. you're looking for trolls where there are none. Perhaps you are mentally ill after all.

Oh really funny how I had you tagged as troll, LOL.

No, sad really. The statement I made could have been taken either way. It's 'you' that chose to make it all about you, not the actually mentally ill people who have a limited idea of identity. Feel free to rant though.


Although you had already been taged as a troll from other threads.
Sure claim innocence now I didn't record the thread # so well You are still a troll.
If you are not add something useful to this thread.
 
2014-02-20 03:19:02 AM
It's against my better judgement to comment here but...

She has a certain Marilyn Monroe quality to her.  More power to her to stand up for herself in this fashion.
 
2014-02-20 03:21:17 AM

Shedim: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

...

No, sad really. The statement I made could have been taken either way. It's 'you' that chose to make it all about you, not the actually mentally ill people who have a limited idea of identity. Feel free to rant though.

Maybe it could have been "taken either way" when you had it in your head before you typed it out. However, the way you typed the reply out does imply (and readily lends itself to the interpretation) that you think transgender people are mentally ill.

I am happy to be wrong about this, but that's the implication I got when I read it.


One-way thinking is common. Unfortunately, people tend to take subject matter that applies to them and turn it into a crusade-style rant. While the statement could be seen either way, no one thought to question it in other terms. Critical thinking is a lost art, as well as writing skills (mine included). While my intent was not to slap around transgenders, it certainly appears it was taken that way. I stand by my statement nonetheless.
 
2014-02-20 03:23:35 AM

diaphoresis: While the statement could be seen either way


Not really, not to any literate person. You distinctly lumped tinfoil-hat maggie with mentally ill people, and now you're trying to cover yourself.
Well, you are, but it's in crap.
 
2014-02-20 03:26:30 AM
Pretty shrewd move by the people running this.
 
2014-02-20 03:27:58 AM

The One True TheDavid: [cut large screed of text]


I was wondering if you were going to turn up. I also see you've dialled the rhetoric back from outright hatred and "all transies are mentally ill/deluded." Interesting. I wonder what prompted that change in tone from that to hiding behind chromosomes...
 
2014-02-20 03:28:29 AM

diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

See this is the stupid troll.

tsk tsk.. you're looking for trolls where there are none. Perhaps you are mentally ill after all.

Oh really funny how I had you tagged as troll, LOL.

No, sad really. The statement I made could have been taken either way. It's 'you' that chose to make it all about you, not the actually mentally ill people who have a limited idea of identity. Feel free to rant though.


You know how you worry that being attracted to a trans person makes you gay? It does. It totally does. You should just surrender and head to your local glory hole, they'll take good care of you there.
 
2014-02-20 03:29:03 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

See this is the stupid troll.

tsk tsk.. you're looking for trolls where there are none. Perhaps you are mentally ill after all.

Oh really funny how I had you tagged as troll, LOL.

No, sad really. The statement I made could have been taken either way. It's 'you' that chose to make it all about you, not the actually mentally ill people who have a limited idea of identity. Feel free to rant though.

Although you had already been taged as a troll from other threads.
Sure claim innocence now I didn't record the thread # so well You are still a troll.
If you are not add something useful to this thread.


Useful tidbit: This is Fark, not a think-tank of the smartest, wisest people. Fark is one-step above Redditt. Consider this as you try to make yourself believe Fark is the place for all intellectual debates. You will be a bigger person for this.

There are some intelligent people here, as their arguments for and against certain subject matter have been tagged by me. I appreciate their critical thinking, straight-to-the-teeth tenacity, and accuracy of information given.

I forgive you for misinterpreting my response. It's not unexpected.
 
2014-02-20 03:29:08 AM
In Maxim's list of the 100 Hottest Women of 2012 Stephen Colbert was number sixty nine. I had no problem with that and I have no problem with this.
img.fark.net
 
2014-02-20 03:30:54 AM

insertsnarkyusername: Alx_xlA: I guess the Sun doesn't go quite as heavy on the photoshop as the Mirror does.

[img.thesun.co.uk image 620x413]

Still looks better than most British women.


Score!

And most Kentuckian women too.


spiritplumber: Quick PC-Britishism explanation: "Girl who lived as a boy" means "MTF, but we're being proper PC and recognizingclaiming to agree that she's a girl with a birth defect rather than a boy with identity issues because we don't want death threats."


S/he's a boy with a identity issues. And I've done much worse, whether with males, females or "she-males."

As long as the boy bits still work feel free to ship Jordan over. I'll supply free room & board -- monetarily free anyway -- till one of y'all richer T-word chasers makes a better offer.

They're nice to look at and etc. at that age but the ditziness of youth gets annoying after a while. If you brought me a clone of me at 17 I'd fark me hard but I'd want to duct-tape Teen Davy's mouth shut first. That must be the best part about Real Dolls: they're silent.
 
2014-02-20 03:31:13 AM

Boojum2k: diaphoresis: While the statement could be seen either way

Not really, not to any literate person. You distinctly lumped tinfoil-hat maggie with mentally ill people, and now you're trying to cover yourself.
Well, you are, but it's in crap.


No, useful idiot, you are wrong. Go back to the kiddie table.
 
2014-02-20 03:32:18 AM

diaphoresis: There are some intelligent people here


You're not one of them.

But don't feel alone. There are a lot of self-righteous uncreative disingenuous whoreson trolls out there.
 
2014-02-20 03:32:20 AM
diaphoresis: One-way thinking is common. Unfortunately, people tend to take subject matter that applies to them and turn it into a crusade-style rant. While the statement could be seen either way, no one thought to question it in other terms. Critical thinking is a lost art, as well as writing skills (mine included). While my intent was not to slap around transgenders, it certainly appears it was taken that way. I stand by my statement nonetheless. I'm sorry you were offended by what I said. I still think you're mentally ill.

FTFY. Nice try, but you're going to have to backpedal a lot faster than that.

/the quality of trolling has really gone downhill recently
 
2014-02-20 03:32:20 AM

The One True TheDavid: "You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful.

True. Obviously.


"I may not have been born a girl, but I am no less female than the rest of the girls."

False. S/he may be no less feminine, FWIW I've known several straight men who were more feminine than a lot of straight women, but by definition she is and always will be less female. Regardless of what you look like, feel & act like and who you're attracted to, you're female if you're born XX. Period. Those who are completely androgen insensitive are very very close--sometimes even they don't know till a doctor tells them after examination or testing, and it's hard to imagine seeing them as guys even if they insist on it--but still by definition they're males with a weird "birth defect," not females. A fact's a fact.

This is not to hate on "T-words"--I've known several and been attracted to a few--only to insist on a scientific definition. You know: the Earth revolves around the Sun, and (at least among mammals) a female is one who is born XX...


Are we going by science here, or social science?  If by science alone, then your wanting to strictly apply the biological definition is all well and good.  However, part of a beauty pagent, IIRC, is showing how well one fits the social role.  Unless they start judging purely on how they look (e.g. going nude) and produce offspring (f*ck and give birth), it's about filling the social roles and that falls under the social science definition of gender.

Her statement of being no less female than the rest is culturally accurate, as that is the gender role she has accepted in her life.  Then again, Brits are much more accepting of this than the US.
 
2014-02-20 03:33:19 AM
"I wanted to give a voice, provide advocacy and become a role model for the transgender community."

Sorry, kid, you already blew that one  hard by enrolling in beauty pageants.  The vast majority of trans people have, like, real jobs 'n shiat, so they'll never be aware of your existence, those that you tell about it will regard you with only slightly less pity than a  literal prostitute, and those that are already aware of your existence are the kind of weird-ass motherfarkers that watch beauty pageants in the place of actual porn, so while there will be a certain amount of reverence it's not going to be in the "role model" sense.

This is sort of like saying you wanted to empower your sex and show children that anything is possible if you try hard enough, so you became a janitor that has to strip to make ends meet.
 
2014-02-20 03:34:24 AM

Shedim: diaphoresis: One-way thinking is common. Unfortunately, people tend to take subject matter that applies to them and turn it into a crusade-style rant. While the statement could be seen either way, no one thought to question it in other terms. Critical thinking is a lost art, as well as writing skills (mine included). While my intent was not to slap around transgenders, it certainly appears it was taken that way. I stand by my statement nonetheless. I'm sorry you were offended by what I said. I still think you're mentally ill.

FTFY. Nice try, but you're going to have to backpedal a lot faster than that.

/the quality of trolling has really gone downhill recently


don't worry dear.. you'll get better at it. This latest attempt was beneath you though. Try again.
 
2014-02-20 03:34:37 AM

Boojum2k: diaphoresis: While the statement could be seen either way

Not really, not to any literate person. You distinctly lumped tinfoil-hat maggie with mentally ill people, and now you're trying to cover yourself.
Well, you are, but it's in crap.


I prefer to live in a world of gray when many people on Fark live in a world of black and white. I've been called mentally ill for having a concealed carry and an open carry permit. I've been labelled this or that because I have positions outside of the Fark majority of a thread. I took his phrasing as two distinct observations (trans can be mentally ill, but not all trans are mentally ill).

But when it comes down to Fark threads, and blatant insults, it's easier to cover someone with a mentally ill label than putting forth the energy to consider maybe they're just different.
 
2014-02-20 03:36:45 AM
3 kinds of people:

Straight
Gay
Attention Whore
 
2014-02-20 03:38:52 AM

harleyquinnical: It's against my better judgement to comment here but...

She has a certain Marilyn Monroe quality to her.  More power to her to stand up for herself in this fashion.


That's how I feel in every trans tread. In real life and Fark no one knows I'm trans unless I say so..
/Again fark you haters
 
2014-02-20 03:39:24 AM

Weatherkiss: Boojum2k: diaphoresis: While the statement could be seen either way

Not really, not to any literate person. You distinctly lumped tinfoil-hat maggie with mentally ill people, and now you're trying to cover yourself.
Well, you are, but it's in crap.

I prefer to live in a world of gray when many people on Fark live in a world of black and white. I've been called mentally ill for having a concealed carry and an open carry permit. I've been labelled this or that because I have positions outside of the Fark majority of a thread. I took his phrasing as two distinct observations (trans can be mentally ill, but not all trans are mentally ill).

But when it comes down to Fark threads, and blatant insults, it's easier to cover someone with a mentally ill label than putting forth the energy to consider maybe they're just different.


By nature, humans are a lot alike. In this new era of 'its ok the be different', it's difficult for some people to make the adjustment. Being different from Status Quo is becoming the Status Quo. People who have/had trouble expressing their self-identity have come out in a wave. People do not always react well to change, even though change is inevitable.
 
2014-02-20 03:39:40 AM

Yogimus: 3 kinds of people:

Straight
Gay
Attention Whore


I hear Facebook has like, 50 categories for the AW freakshow crowd. Tumblr scoffs, though.
 
2014-02-20 03:40:28 AM

diaphoresis: don't worry dear.. you'll get better at it.


Really? "I know you are, but what am I" is the end-all and be-all of your skills? Somebody had to train you to use that one, it's too intellectual for you.

Your real parents dropped you in a dumpster, with a diaper around your head.
 
2014-02-20 03:42:01 AM

Weatherkiss: prefer to live in a world of gray when many people on Fark live in a world of black and white.


I live in grey areas. I just hate cheap trolls.
 
2014-02-20 03:42:12 AM

red5ish: In Maxim's list of the 100 Hottest Women of 2012 Stephen Colbert was number sixty nine. I had no problem with that and I have no problem with this.
[img.fark.net image 617x453]


After his show from Feb 18th, I'm just not surprised at anything he does anymore.  He is, and will continue to be, AWESOME.  I loved his interview with that authoress yesterday, especially the button that I really want for situations like this thread for all the naysayers, trolls, and unpleasant people:

GET IT THE F*CK TOGETHER!

The One True TheDavid: S/he's a boy with a identity issues. And I've done much worse, whether with males, females or "she-males."


She seems to know perfectly well who she is going into that pagent; it's hardly an issue with identity.  You can only say that as an outsider looking in.
 
2014-02-20 03:42:26 AM

Boojum2k: diaphoresis: don't worry dear.. you'll get better at it.

Really? "I know you are, but what am I" is the end-all and be-all of your skills? Somebody had to train you to use that one, it's too intellectual for you.

Your real parents dropped you in a dumpster, with a diaper around your head.


With phrasing like that, you have certainly shown us your intellectual side. Please... nuke us with more of your brilliance, troll.
 
2014-02-20 03:45:17 AM

diaphoresis: Boojum2k: diaphoresis: don't worry dear.. you'll get better at it.

Really? "I know you are, but what am I" is the end-all and be-all of your skills? Somebody had to train you to use that one, it's too intellectual for you.

Your real parents dropped you in a dumpster, with a diaper around your head.

With phrasing like that, you have certainly shown us your intellectual side. Please... nuke us with more of your brilliance, troll.


Well aren't you just the cutest little thing.
 
2014-02-20 03:45:54 AM

diaphoresis: Please...


Nah, you're actually not worth it. It's fun to insult you, because while the pig may wallow in the dirt, it's still a pig and proving it every time it wallows around.

I've seen better trolls than you on youtube.
 
2014-02-20 03:47:20 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: harleyquinnical: It's against my better judgement to comment here but...

She has a certain Marilyn Monroe quality to her.  More power to her to stand up for herself in this fashion.

That's how I feel in every trans tread. In real life and Fark no one knows I'm trans unless I say so..
/Again fark you haters


Well I'm not sure why in real life, but on fark that's probably because you only provide a thumbnail pic in your profile.
 
2014-02-20 03:48:00 AM

harleyquinnical: The One True TheDavid: "You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful.

True. Obviously.


"I may not have been born a girl, but I am no less female than the rest of the girls."

False. S/he may be no less feminine, FWIW I've known several straight men who were more feminine than a lot of straight women, but by definition she is and always will be less female. Regardless of what you look like, feel & act like and who you're attracted to, you're female if you're born XX. Period. Those who are completely androgen insensitive are very very close--sometimes even they don't know till a doctor tells them after examination or testing, and it's hard to imagine seeing them as guys even if they insist on it--but still by definition they're males with a weird "birth defect," not females. A fact's a fact.

This is not to hate on "T-words"--I've known several and been attracted to a few--only to insist on a scientific definition. You know: the Earth revolves around the Sun, and (at least among mammals) a female is one who is born XX...

Are we going by science here, or social science?  If by science alone, then your wanting to strictly apply the biological definition is all well and good.  However, part of a beauty pagent, IIRC, is showing how well one fits the social role.  Unless they start judging purely on how they look (e.g. going nude) and produce offspring (f*ck and give birth), it's about filling the social roles and that falls under the social science definition of gender.

Her statement of being no less female than the rest is culturally accurate, as that is the gender role she has accepted in her life.  Then again, Brits are much more accepting of this than the US.


Hres trolling and you bit ...
I prefer fact Transsexual differences caught on brain scanSuck it loser trolls you got no facts.
 
2014-02-20 03:48:45 AM

Boojum2k: diaphoresis: Please...

Nah, you're actually not worth it. It's fun to insult you, because while the pig may wallow in the dirt, it's still a pig and proving it every time it wallows around.

I've seen better trolls than you on youtube.


You would know, I'm sure, troll.
 
2014-02-20 03:50:18 AM

Yogimus: diaphoresis: Boojum2k: diaphoresis: don't worry dear.. you'll get better at it.

Really? "I know you are, but what am I" is the end-all and be-all of your skills? Somebody had to train you to use that one, it's too intellectual for you.

Your real parents dropped you in a dumpster, with a diaper around your head.

With phrasing like that, you have certainly shown us your intellectual side. Please... nuke us with more of your brilliance, troll.

Well aren't you just the cutest little thing.


Thank you, ugo. :P
 
2014-02-20 03:50:42 AM

diaphoresis: Durrrr I only has the one trick


Buh bye!
 
2014-02-20 03:51:46 AM

diaphoresis: Weatherkiss: Boojum2k: diaphoresis: While the statement could be seen either way

Not really, not to any literate person. You distinctly lumped tinfoil-hat maggie with mentally ill people, and now you're trying to cover yourself.
Well, you are, but it's in crap.

I prefer to live in a world of gray when many people on Fark live in a world of black and white. I've been called mentally ill for having a concealed carry and an open carry permit. I've been labelled this or that because I have positions outside of the Fark majority of a thread. I took his phrasing as two distinct observations (trans can be mentally ill, but not all trans are mentally ill).

But when it comes down to Fark threads, and blatant insults, it's easier to cover someone with a mentally ill label than putting forth the energy to consider maybe they're just different.

By nature, humans are a lot alike. In this new era of 'its ok the be different', it's difficult for some people to make the adjustment. Being different from Status Quo is becoming the Status Quo. People who have/had trouble expressing their self-identity have come out in a wave. People do not always react well to change, even though change is inevitable.


I guess I see it in a different way. There are some people who just want to live a normal life. Like maggie said, noone knows she's trans unless she says so. Otherwise she isn't a label, she's just a person. There are lots of trans people who no one would know any different (or would care) unless they speak up about it.

Sometimes there's a need for distinction (like the Olympics when the identity of 'gender' is decided upon by various psychiatrists, physicians, etc. since that identity is no longer cut-and-dry in one form or another), but for most everyday life there's no real need to bring it up.

I find people who have the need to bring it up as often as they possibly can do it because of personal issues. But it's not something unique to trans people, it's for many kinds of people. Gay and bi people do it. People of particular job professions do it. People from Texas do it. I think all of those people have personal issues where they have to feel like the only way to be accepted is to force some kind of conflict where someone is forced into being uncomfortable with them, and that they're 'accepted' by forcing others into thinking they're a guilty party for being uncomfortable.

Which is really just a human thing. Like that Tea Party nutjob who said, "Liberals really get angry when you say the pledge allegiance as loud as you possibly can.". Maybe there are a few, but for the most part people don't give a fark what this guy does with his life.
 
2014-02-20 03:53:12 AM
Boojum2k: I'm sorry I called you a troll. My ego got in the way. Thanks for being so understanding.

That's ok. Good hunting my friend.
 
2014-02-20 03:53:21 AM

Lady Indica: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

See this is the stupid troll.

tsk tsk.. you're looking for trolls where there are none. Perhaps you are mentally ill after all.

Oh really funny how I had you tagged as troll, LOL.

No, sad really. The statement I made could have been taken either way. It's 'you' that chose to make it all about you, not the actually mentally ill people who have a limited idea of identity. Feel free to rant though.

You know how you worry that being attracted to a trans person makes you gay? It does. It totally does. You should just surrender and head to your local glory hole, they'll take good care of you there.


you do know I love you ,I don't get to say that enough ; )
 
2014-02-20 03:53:24 AM
If it has a dick.. it's a dude.
 
2014-02-20 03:54:28 AM
Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

Transgender people are mentally ill if they insist they're really the opposite sex really, especially if they want to get themselves irreparably mutilated to "make the outside match the inside." That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."

But if it's just that they feel so atypical that they'd rather live "cross-dressed" that's fine with me. For that matter IMHO you're welcome to wear a dress and makeup and call yourself "Champagne" if you look like that Duck Dynasty guy. It's a fact that some males are more feminine in feeling & behavior than a lot of women and it's immoral not to let them show it.

Especially when they're cute.
 
2014-02-20 03:55:07 AM
It is up to you how much your sexuality defines you. It is up to the world to define your sexuality... and it falls into 3 categories: Normal, Queer, and attention whore. Sorry.
 
2014-02-20 03:55:55 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Hres trolling and you bit ...
I prefer fact Transsexual differences caught on brain scanSuck it loser trolls you got no facts.


with that kind of blanket statement, he's trawling...and that article was a rather fascinating read.  I look forward to further readings on the matter.
 
2014-02-20 04:00:26 AM

insertsnarkyusername: tinfoil-hat maggie: harleyquinnical: It's against my better judgement to comment here but...

She has a certain Marilyn Monroe quality to her.  More power to her to stand up for herself in this fashion.

That's how I feel in every trans tread. In real life and Fark no one knows I'm trans unless I say so..
/Again fark you haters

Well I'm not sure why in real life, but on fark that's probably because you only provide a thumbnail pic in your profile.


Oh really? Nope I sent out bie to anyone that asked for it for well over a year closer to 2. No one called me on it. Sure I told a select crowd but hey...

I'm out now you farkin bigot and I do have records of who I sent the em's too so.....
 
2014-02-20 04:03:55 AM

img.fark.net



"I'm high as fark!!!"

 
2014-02-20 04:04:30 AM

Weatherkiss: diaphoresis: Weatherkiss: Boojum2k: diaphoresis: While the statement could be seen either way

Not really, not to any literate person. You distinctly lumped tinfoil-hat maggie with mentally ill people, and now you're trying to cover yourself.
Well, you are, but it's in crap.

I prefer to live in a world of gray when many people on Fark live in a world of black and white. I've been called mentally ill for having a concealed carry and an open carry permit. I've been labelled this or that because I have positions outside of the Fark majority of a thread. I took his phrasing as two distinct observations (trans can be mentally ill, but not all trans are mentally ill).

But when it comes down to Fark threads, and blatant insults, it's easier to cover someone with a mentally ill label than putting forth the energy to consider maybe they're just different.

By nature, humans are a lot alike. In this new era of 'its ok the be different', it's difficult for some people to make the adjustment. Being different from Status Quo is becoming the Status Quo. People who have/had trouble expressing their self-identity have come out in a wave. People do not always react well to change, even though change is inevitable.

I guess I see it in a different way. There are some people who just want to live a normal life. Like maggie said, noone knows she's trans unless she says so. Otherwise she isn't a label, she's just a person. There are lots of trans people who no one would know any different (or would care) unless they speak up about it.

Sometimes there's a need for distinction (like the Olympics when the identity of 'gender' is decided upon by various psychiatrists, physicians, etc. since that identity is no longer cut-and-dry in one form or another), but for most everyday life there's no real need to bring it up.

I find people who have the need to bring it up as often as they possibly can do it because of personal issues. But it's not something unique to trans people, it's for many k ...


Dude, you said it well there.
 
2014-02-20 04:04:42 AM

Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"


*man-jaw
 
2014-02-20 04:06:53 AM

robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw


Wut you cray.
 
2014-02-20 04:07:16 AM
Weatherkiss: I guess I see it in a different way. There are some people who just want to live a normal life. Like maggie said, noone knows she's trans unless she says so. Otherwise she isn't a label, she's just a person. There are lots of trans people who no one would know any different (or would care) unless they speak up about it.

Sometimes there's a need for distinction (like the Olympics when the identity of 'gender' is decided upon by various psychiatrists, physicians, etc. since that identity is no longer cut-and-dry in one form or another), but for most everyday life there's no real need to bring it up.

I find people who have the need to bring it up as often as they possibly can do it because of personal issues. But it's not something unique to trans people, it's for many kinds of people. Gay and bi people do it. People of particular job professions do it. People from Texas do it. I think all of those people have personal issues where they have to feel like the only way to be accepted is to force some kind of conflict where someone is forced into being uncomfortable with them, and that they're 'accepted' by forcing others into thinking they're a guilty party for being uncomfortable.

Which is really just a human thing. Like that Tea Party nutjob who said, "Liberals really get angry when you say the pledge allegiance as loud as you possibly can.". Maybe there are a few, but for the most part people don't give a fark what this guy does with his life.


That is true in many senses. The people who make an over-issue of their 'uniqueness' do tend to have personal issues. They believe it is a personal attack on them as a whole, rather than one small facet of their entire personality. As mentioned in my earlier statement, there are some who are disturbed by the new 'lifestyles' that are being bandied about. They have just as much right to their opinion as the others, yet an attack on people with more 'traditional' values is ok and even encouraged. There is an illness at play, but as a nation we will get over it in time.

I agree with your assessment that the 'average person' isn't really concerned about what others do with their own lives, as long as it doesn't harm the public at large or children. Unfortunately, both sides of any issue are the 'fringe' and both end up saying that 'the American people agree with me'. A sensationalist statement considering it isn't really feasible to poll every American (without fraud on either side) to find out how they really feel on any particular subject matter. It's a miserable world right now where lifestyles (whether progressive or traditional) are attacked.
 
2014-02-20 04:09:11 AM
Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?
 
2014-02-20 04:10:16 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Dude, you said it well there.


Which isn't to say bigots don't exist and death threats and hatemail and whatnot doesn't happen. It's just from a small minority of people whose opinions noone should really care about to begin with. Most people just don't care.

Some people care, but only because they're annoyed at attention whores. It's just difficult to draw the line between 'people annoyed at attention whores' and 'people annoyed at [minority group]', since they don't always make themselves that obvious.
 
2014-02-20 04:11:14 AM

The One True TheDavid: Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

... That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."


Please tell me you're kidding.
 
2014-02-20 04:11:28 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw

Wut you cray.


And you're drunk, but in the morning, I'll still be crazy.

Seriously though, I've seen cis women with a sharper jaw than her...a jaw that could be used to plow a field.
/not a euphemism.
 
2014-02-20 04:13:40 AM

GreenSun: Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?


In most cases the folks who have to ask themselves this question are the ones who'll never need to answer it without a credit card. The time might be spent more fruitfully pondering eternal questions such as whether or not chronic masturbation is in any way homosexual, since you are touching a penis with such frequency.
 
2014-02-20 04:14:12 AM

diaphoresis: The One True TheDavid: Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

... That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."

Please tell me you're kidding.


It was a Daily Fail article. Another one of those 'extremely rare personality/sexuality disorders' stories they run to manufacture controversy.
 
2014-02-20 04:17:49 AM

robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw


For comparison's sake, Reese Witherspoon:
i.huffpost.com
 
2014-02-20 04:18:29 AM

Weatherkiss: diaphoresis: The One True TheDavid: Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

... That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."

Please tell me you're kidding.

It was a Daily Fail article. Another one of those 'extremely rare personality/sexuality disorders' stories they run to manufacture controversy.


smh...
 
2014-02-20 04:20:09 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw

Wut you cray.


I don't know what 'cray' means. I do know I'm not a supercomputer.
 
2014-02-20 04:20:11 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Flying Lasagna Monster: A teenage girl who lived as a boy until a year ago has reached the final of the Miss Coventry beauty queen competition.
Brave Jordan Davis says she's determined to


We get it, you're a pretentious tool.  But at least Facebook is now more accommodating to your form of body dysmorphic disorder.

Wut? Not sure how to classify this post.


I'm filing it under "transphobe," personally.
 
2014-02-20 04:22:56 AM

Deadite: I honestly think she can win the realest real doll award, cause seriously that picture only makes her look like one.

[resources0.news.com.au image 650x366]


I know a certain Fark admin who's going to be overjoyed when he stumbles across this thread, in that case.
 
2014-02-20 04:23:23 AM

robohobo: tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw

Wut you cray.

I don't know what 'cray' means. I do know I'm not a supercomputer.


Crazy. Good knowledge of computer history though :)
 
2014-02-20 04:27:10 AM

diaphoresis: robohobo: tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw

Wut you cray.

I don't know what 'cray' means. I do know I'm not a supercomputer.

Crazy. Good knowledge of computer history though :)


AH. Okay. I've never heard the shortening before. I'm not the heppest cat. A bit snowblind.
 
2014-02-20 04:31:51 AM
I am both amazed and amused by the people this seems to bother.
I wonder if any of you realize how incredibly transparent you are.
 
2014-02-20 04:33:51 AM

Lady Indica: GreenSun: Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?

In most cases the folks who have to ask themselves this question are the ones who'll never need to answer it without a credit card. The time might be spent more fruitfully pondering eternal questions such as whether or not chronic masturbation is in any way homosexual, since you are touching a penis with such frequency.


I really love you and that is so true.

/Just sayin' : )
 
2014-02-20 04:36:46 AM

Lady Indica: GreenSun: Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?

In most cases the folks who have to ask themselves this question are the ones who'll never need to answer it without a credit card. The time might be spent more fruitfully pondering eternal questions such as whether or not chronic masturbation is in any way homosexual, since you are touching a penis with such frequency.


*snert*...such a way with words; I love it.
 
2014-02-20 04:36:54 AM

jso2897: I am both amazed and amused by the people this seems to bother.
I wonder if any of you realize how incredibly transparent you are.


Most of them say the same thing in every tread.
 
2014-02-20 04:38:05 AM

diaphoresis: Unfortunately, people tend to take subject matter that applies to them and turn it into a crusade-style rant.


Hey! I resemble that remark.


Shedim: The One True TheDavid: [cut large screed of text]

I was wondering if you were going to turn up. I also see you've dialled the rhetoric back from outright hatred and "all transies are mentally ill/deluded." Interesting. I wonder what prompted that change in tone from that to hiding behind chromosomes...


"Outright hatred?" Are you sure you don't mean "refusing to admit that I'm 100% right about everything?"

I've always said I don't hate "T-words," only that transsexualism is based on a delusion. Go back and re-read my "hate screeds" with an open mind and you'll see that.

You'll just have to accept that I can agree with you on some things and not others, or up to a certain point but no farther, and if that really bothers you then subscribe me to your Ignore list and go fark yourself. You do NOT get to dictate to me what to think and say, period. Why should I give you a privilege I deny to admitted nazis?

As far as being mentally ill goes that's neither here nor there, especially since I'm a lunatic myself. There have been times when it was impossible to convince me that, say, the mental ward of a particular hospital was not a "Potempkin village" specially designed by the CIA to entrap me. And that anybody who really believed it was a real psych ward and that she's there solely because she has real psych issues was just crazy. The "psychiatrists" were obviously in on it, especially the one guy I knew from around town who really is a real shrink and who made no secret of not liking me. This is not to say it was impossible for anybody to get real help there, only that I knew the whole thing was really all about me, really. ("WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO CONVINCE ME I'M PARANOID?!?!?")

Fortunately part of my delusionary system was that if I quit fighting, took the medication and "got better" then they wouldn't really insist on literally crucifying me, so now 22 years later I get to look back on that and laugh myself silly. How in the hell did I make it through that one?

So there's nothing wrong with being delusional and/or nuts, just like there's nothing wrong with having the flu. Trying to get the flu because you love suffering is sick, but just getting the flu is just bad luck.

Get it yet? Or should I give up on you entirely?
 
2014-02-20 04:39:34 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: jso2897: I am both amazed and amused by the people this seems to bother.
I wonder if any of you realize how incredibly transparent you are.

Most of them say the same thing in every tread.


To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.
 
2014-02-20 04:42:47 AM

harleyquinnical: Lady Indica: GreenSun: Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?

In most cases the folks who have to ask themselves this question are the ones who'll never need to answer it without a credit card. The time might be spent more fruitfully pondering eternal questions such as whether or not chronic masturbation is in any way homosexual, since you are touching a penis with such frequency.

*snert*...such a way with words; I love it.


IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:
 
2014-02-20 04:47:15 AM

robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.


True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:


So similar to the crush I have on you.
 
2014-02-20 04:50:01 AM

harleyquinnical: robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.

True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:

So similar to the crush I have on you.


It's the middle of the night for the most of folk...give it a few hours.
 
2014-02-20 04:50:59 AM
harleyquinnical:

However, part of a beauty pagent, IIRC, is showing how well one fits the social role. Unless they start judging purely on how they look (e.g. going nude) and produce offspring (f*ck and give birth), it's about filling the social roles and that falls under the social science definition of gender.

Correct. It's about whether one fulfills the social role of stereotypical femininity. One's actual chromosomal arrangement is beside the point. Why should a sweet & pretty queen be ruled out but a vile ugly biatch let in?

"God save the nellie queen..."
 
2014-02-20 04:52:32 AM
That boy looks disgusting.
 
2014-02-20 04:53:32 AM

Weatherkiss: But when it comes down to Fark threads, and blatant insults, it's easier to cover someone with a mentally ill label than putting forth the energy to consider maybe they're just different.


Why can't I be both?!?
 
2014-02-20 04:55:32 AM

Yogimus: 3 kinds of people:

Straight
Gay
Attention Whore


Wrong. There are at least 4, including Ignored. Bye!
 
2014-02-20 04:55:51 AM
Whew, my ignore button is really getting a workout from this thread.
 
2014-02-20 04:59:11 AM

The One True TheDavid: Yogimus: 3 kinds of people:

Straight
Gay
Attention Whore

Wrong. There are at least 4, including Ignored. Bye!

img.fark.net
/not really
 
2014-02-20 05:00:23 AM

harleyquinnical: robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.

True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:

So similar to the crush I have on you.


Might be tell me more : )
 
2014-02-20 05:06:05 AM

robohobo: harleyquinnical: robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.

True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:

So similar to the crush I have on you.

It's the middle of the night for the most of folk...give it a few hours.


It's a trans thread. You notice who showed up?Well....
 
2014-02-20 05:15:02 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: harleyquinnical: robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.

True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:

So similar to the crush I have on you.

It's the middle of the night for the most of folk...give it a few hours.

It's a trans thread. You notice who showed up?Well....


I don't really have a journal of who shows up to what threads. I kinda know who's always up late, since I generally am, but that's it.
 
2014-02-20 05:17:12 AM

Yogimus: So is it a squishmitten down there or a jolly bishop?


She was born with a penis. Does that help?
 
2014-02-20 05:18:52 AM

taurusowner: That boy looks disgusting.


What's the matter, Precious? Pop a chubby?
 
2014-02-20 05:21:44 AM

The One True TheDavid: I've always said I don't hate "T-words," only that transsexualism is based on a delusion.


Actually, it's not. It's based on the gender of the brain not matching the gender of the body. There's a difference.
 
2014-02-20 05:25:45 AM
"You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful"

Yea that's why she put on make-up, dressed up, and entered a beauty contest
 
2014-02-20 05:30:16 AM

robohobo: tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: harleyquinnical: robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.

True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:

So similar to the crush I have on you.

It's the middle of the night for the most of folk...give it a few hours.

It's a trans thread. You notice who showed up?Well....

I don't really have a journal of who shows up to what threads. I kinda know who's always up late, since I generally am, but that's it.


I Mehwhatever.
 
2014-02-20 05:30:34 AM
harleyquinnical:

The One True TheDavid:


S/he's a boy with a identity issues. And I've done much worse, whether with males, females or "she-males."

She seems to know perfectly well who she is going into that pagent; it's hardly an issue with identity.  You can only say that as an outsider looking in.


From way over here it looks very much like Jordan is a boy who wants to be a girl, or who works very hard to give that impression at least. Or maybe Jordan is really just a girly boy by temperament: that's fine & dandy, especially if s/he doesn't have to try too hard, as natural nellie queens are part of what makes life worth living.

Of course AFAIC if Jordan really believes s/he really is a girl s/he's deluded, and if s/he ever gets those boy bits chopped off s/he's gone way 'round the bend: nothing Jordan does can ever turn Jordan into a real woman really, regardless of what they're selling.

But there's no reason Jordan has to give a shiat about what I think. Which again is fine & dandy: you'd have to be gormless worm to change your whole life because of what some guy on some b-board said about an article about you on some website somewhere. And if there's anything I loathe it's a spineless dizzy drama queen.

So sure, as long as Jordan knows she's really a boy with "Gender Identity Disorder" that's perfectly okay. As far as I'm concerned. For whatever it's worth, which amounts to nothing. See?
 
2014-02-20 05:34:15 AM

GreenSun: Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?


No. It's the penis that makes it so much fun.
 
2014-02-20 05:36:40 AM

harleyquinnical: tinfoil-hat maggie: Hres trolling and you bit ...
I prefer fact Transsexual differences caught on brain scanSuck it loser trolls you got no facts.

with that kind of blanket statement, he's trawling...and that article was a rather fascinating read.  I look forward to further readings on the matter.


Well I have learned too much,
 
2014-02-20 05:39:33 AM

diaphoresis: The One True TheDavid: Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

... That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."

Please tell me you're kidding.


There was a tabloid article about it last year some sometime; I lost track but it should be Googleable.

And it's common knowledge that there are people who think they're "really" amputees who stick their legs in front of trains to "make the outside match the inside."

Sad but true.
 
2014-02-20 05:41:55 AM

FraggleStickCar: Whew, my ignore button is really getting a workout from this thread.


Please please please subscribe ME to your Ignore list????
 
2014-02-20 05:43:39 AM

The One True TheDavid: diaphoresis: The One True TheDavid: Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

... That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."

Please tell me you're kidding.

There was a tabloid article about it last year some sometime; I lost track but it should be Googleable.

And it's common knowledge that there are people who think they're "really" amputees who stick their legs in front of trains to "make the outside match the inside."

Sad but true.


I wonder if it technically would be considered a mental illness? From a certain point of view, it might be no different than transgenders who get a sex operation. Interesting thing to think upon.
 
2014-02-20 05:46:16 AM
Yeah, hero.....
 
2014-02-20 05:50:16 AM

The One True TheDavid: FraggleStickCar: Whew, my ignore button is really getting a workout from this thread.

Please please please subscribe ME to your Ignore list????


Nope I'm gonna ply if I castay aeke/ Trolls wanting to be ignorde yhah /Whatever' is stupid
 
2014-02-20 05:55:55 AM

Ed Grubermann: The One True TheDavid: I've always said I don't hate "T-words," only that transsexualism is based on a delusion.

Actually, it's not. It's based on the gender of the brain not matching the gender of the body. There's a difference.


Actually, it's not. It's a mental illness based on an incompatibility between one's obvious physical sex and one's felt gender. That's been made into a political/social identity of victimhood and mutilation for pay, instead of forcing Society to admit that its traditional sex/gender roles are bullshiat. If society admitted that you can look like that Duck Dynasty blowhard and be femme as all get-out there would be no need for all this, and then how would those surgeons buy their Jaguars?

Regardless of what gender you think your brain is there's an astronomically high probability that it's going to be the same sex as the rest of you. Anybody who tells you different is trying to sell you something.
 
2014-02-20 05:56:55 AM

The One True TheDavid: FraggleStickCar: Whew, my ignore button is really getting a workout from this thread.

Please please please subscribe ME to your Ignore list????


I never understood the people who use ignore lists.  Does it mean they are less tolerant of people's opinions that don't match their own?  Does it mean they think themselves smarter and don't want to view the flotsam and jetsam of lesser people? Perhaps because they feel they have no power in their real lives, and use it as either vindication of their own power or revenge for being subjected to 'whatever-it-is-that-makes-them-cranky".  I dunno.. If I haven't ignored CameronCrazy in all this time, there's no reason to do it now.

Maybe someone will greenlight an opinion thread that covers this one day. I think it would be fascinating to read the content.
 
2014-02-20 06:07:12 AM
media.merchantcircle.com
Maybe AAMCO can help him out with his tranny issues. Still waiting to see how he does in the swimsuit part of the competition or as the trannies call it, tuck and cover.
 
2014-02-20 06:09:06 AM
If she can hide her bulge during the bathing suit portion and does the baby elephant dance for the talent then she nailed it.
 
2014-02-20 06:21:05 AM
 
2014-02-20 06:38:58 AM

The Envoy: The One True TheDavid: Actually, it's not. It's a mental illness based on an incompatibility between one's obvious physical sex and one's felt gender.

Actually, it is.  There is scientific evidence of physical differences in the brains of transsexuals, both male-to-female and female-to-male.  Your opinion that it's a delusion is comprehensively shown to be incorrect by this.


We all dwell within our own delusion.
The problem arises when one becomes grandiose, and begins imagining that one is in a position to pronounce other people's "delusions" as being especially "delusional".
It's a form of authoritarianism, which, in turn, is a form of paranoia.
 
2014-02-20 06:41:33 AM

jso2897: The Envoy: The One True TheDavid: Actually, it's not. It's a mental illness based on an incompatibility between one's obvious physical sex and one's felt gender.

Actually, it is.  There is scientific evidence of physical differences in the brains of transsexuals, both male-to-female and female-to-male.  Your opinion that it's a delusion is comprehensively shown to be incorrect by this.

We all dwell within our own delusion.
The problem arises when one becomes grandiose, and begins imagining that one is in a position to pronounce other people's "delusions" as being especially "delusional".
It's a form of authoritarianism, which, in turn, is a form of paranoia.


Very poetic. Citations needed. Counter citations also needed... just to keep it balanced.. and to prove it isn't delusional.
 
2014-02-20 06:41:40 AM

diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

See this is the stupid troll.

tsk tsk.. you're looking for trolls where there are none. Perhaps you are mentally ill after all.

Oh really funny how I had you tagged as troll, LOL.

No, sad really. The statement I made could have been taken either way. It's 'you' that chose to make it all about you, not the actually mentally ill people who have a limited idea of identity. Feel free to rant though.

Although you had already been taged as a troll from other threads.
Sure claim innocence now I didn't record the thread # so well You are still a troll.
If you are not add something useful to this thread.

Useful tidbit: This is Fark, not a think-tank of the smartest, wisest people. Fark is one-step above Redditt. Consider this as you try to make yourself believe Fark is the place for all intellectual debates. You will be a bigger person for this.

There are some intelligent people here, as their arguments for and against certain subject matter have been tagged by me. I appreciate their critical thinking, straight-to-the-teeth tenacity, and accuracy of information given.

I forgive you for misinterpreting my response. It's not unexpected.


Useful tidbit: this is FARK, get used to being made fun of when you say something stupid.
 
2014-02-20 06:43:23 AM
The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of people who have anatomical delusions such as thinking they're amputees stuck in normal 4 limbed bodies. I'm still waiting to see somebody who thinks they're a three handed person stuck in a body with 2 hands and gets a third hand transplanted somewhere.
 
2014-02-20 06:45:15 AM

gnosis301: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

See this is the stupid troll.

tsk tsk.. you're looking for trolls where there are none. Perhaps you are mentally ill after all.

Oh really funny how I had you tagged as troll, LOL.

No, sad really. The statement I made could have been taken either way. It's 'you' that chose to make it all about you, not the actually mentally ill people who have a limited idea of identity. Feel free to rant though.

Although you had already been taged as a troll from other threads.
Sure claim innocence now I didn't record the thread # so well You are still a troll.
If you are not add something useful to this thread.

Useful tidbit: This is Fark, not a think-tank of the smartest, wisest people. Fark is one-step above Redditt. Consider this as you try to make yourself believe Fark is the place for all intellectual debates. You will be a bigger person for this.

There are some intelligent people here, as their arguments for and against certain subject matter have been tagged by me. I appreciate their critical thinking, straight-to-the-teeth tenacity, and accuracy of information given.

I forgive you for misinterpreting my response. It's not unexpected.

Useful tidbit: this is FARK, get used to being made fun of when you say something stupid.


Useful for the majority of Farkers who have tunnel vision. Thank you for your support of my statement.
 
2014-02-20 06:45:50 AM
So when are we going to label anoxics as heroes as well for having a skewed vision of themselves and going through with their beautiful transformation into a stick figure?

It is the same thing - a form of mental issue that is just too PC for some to handle, and others just feel the need to be overly supportive and show everyone else how open minded they are.

'The Emperors new clothes' comes to mind when a lot of people start mindlessly approving of something like this.

/Points
 
2014-02-20 06:48:27 AM

harleyquinnical: Are we going by science here, or social science?  If by science alone, then your wanting to strictly apply the biological definition is all well and good.  However, part of a beauty pagent, IIRC, is showing how well one fits the social role.  Unless they start judging purely on how they look (e.g. going nude) and produce offspring (f*ck and give birth), it's about filling the social roles and that falls under the social science definition of gender.


Perhaps society would do well to be more like science.  Last I heard, chemistry never waged a war on algebra, there were no biology suicide bombers attacking anyone.

The thing about social roles.  A lot of the LBGT community recognizes that they're fabricated constructs.  Yet, so many buy right into them.  Many of them are every bit as bigoted and prejudiced as the more staunchly anti-gay conservatives.

Maybe if we remove a bit of emotion from the picture and stick with science, it will remove some of that irrationality from the picture, remove some bias.

Because, emotion, not only grants you your hurt for whatever class you are, it grants hatred for those that would oppress.  Both natural, and entirely unproductive.  Them buying into theirs with enjoyment is no worse than you buying into yours.

Rise above it, don't compete with it.  Quite often, the only way to win is to not play.  Lead by example, by not letting emotion get the better of you.  Just by joining in the fray, you stoke the fires. By allowing competition, you let the opposition know they've got a chance at winning.  (So you're saying, there's a chance? . jpg)

If we disown the bigots, and interact with them as little as possible, only spread messages of tolerance, etc, all without sinking to their level will we win.

That's why the Westboro Baptist Church maintains only a small population.  By and large they're ugly to most people.  You'll never eradicate them, but their numbers, while still present, are small, even dwindling as more and more are exposed to alternatives....they come to tolerate, even accept.  By participating in all that ugliness, you give your argument the same taint, and given that, people will fall in line with whom they've the most in common, instead of thinking logically about fairness.

Fighting does solve a lot of problems, but some have to be approached with a lot more finesse and abstinence.  Let the other side have enough rope to hang themselves.  Be distant and unbiased, like (good)science.
 
2014-02-20 06:50:08 AM

insertsnarkyusername: Alx_xlA: I guess the Sun doesn't go quite as heavy on the photoshop as the Mirror does.

[img.thesun.co.uk image 620x413]

Still looks better than most British women.


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-20 06:50:22 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-20 06:55:19 AM

diaphoresis: jso2897: The Envoy: The One True TheDavid: Actually, it's not. It's a mental illness based on an incompatibility between one's obvious physical sex and one's felt gender.

Actually, it is.  There is scientific evidence of physical differences in the brains of transsexuals, both male-to-female and female-to-male.  Your opinion that it's a delusion is comprehensively shown to be incorrect by this.

We all dwell within our own delusion.
The problem arises when one becomes grandiose, and begins imagining that one is in a position to pronounce other people's "delusions" as being especially "delusional".
It's a form of authoritarianism, which, in turn, is a form of paranoia.

Very poetic. Citations needed. Counter citations also needed... just to keep it balanced.. and to prove it isn't delusional.


"Citation"? To support an opinion?
Seriously, son - the middle school "debate" tactics are wasted on me - come back when you're 21.
 
2014-02-20 06:55:55 AM
What a Country : Someone with the money for surgery and hormone treatment can be just as beautiful (if not more so) than millions of young ladies struggling with their own budding attractiveness. Way to go, Dude.
 
2014-02-20 06:57:01 AM

rubi_con_man: What a Country : Someone with the money for surgery and hormone treatment can be just as beautiful (if not more so) than millions of young ladies struggling with their own budding attractiveness. Way to go, Dude.


Hey - it's the American Dream!
 
2014-02-20 07:13:54 AM
I certainly hope medical research can come up with a way to fix whatever causes the mismatch between brain and body, but I suppose until this happens, radical surgery and lifelong hormone treatment is the only alternative.

My personal hang-ups aside (if I were mackin' on a chick, I don't think I could overlook discovering unexpected hardware) there should be a special kind of hell for an adult who would threaten or otherwise make life more miserable for people who are already dealing with so much.
 
2014-02-20 07:16:40 AM
Do I still qualify as a sharp-knees farker if I say I would not hit, because she looks like a man in drag?

/because she is technically a man.  In drag.  No amount of surgery will change that chromosome to an X.
 
2014-02-20 07:17:53 AM

Public Savant: It is the same thing - a form of mental issue that is just too PC for some to handle, and others just feel the need to be overly supportive and show everyone else how open minded they are.


These aren't people who suddenly decide they want to live as another gender.  They have a brain and a personality that doesn't match their physical attributes.  You can't possibly relate to how that would feel, but presume to know the cure:  "Get over it".
 
2014-02-20 07:26:47 AM

GoldSpider: These aren't people who suddenly decide they want to live as another gender. They have a brain and a personality that doesn't match their physical attributes. You can't possibly relate to how that would feel, but presume to know the cure: "Get over it".


Embrace it. Hell, celebrate it if you want... but quit attention whoring it.
 
2014-02-20 07:28:26 AM

GoldSpider: I certainly hope medical research can come up with a way to fix whatever causes the mismatch between brain and body, but I suppose until this happens, radical surgery and lifelong hormone treatment is the only alternative.

My personal hang-ups aside (if I were mackin' on a chick, I don't think I could overlook discovering unexpected hardware) there should be a special kind of hell for an adult who would threaten or otherwise make life more miserable for people who are already dealing with so much.


I think the perception used to be much more binary, now treatment as I understand it (I'm cis, so my understanding here is super limited) focuses on what works best for each person. There are plenty of trans women who chose to keep their genitals as they are (they still have a penis) and go with hormone therapies. Whatever makes people comfy in their own skin and makes their lives more fulfilled, awesome. But I agree, I hope there are better options in the future. The current options seem crappy, as well as the strong societal push to conform to gender norms and concepts of beauty.

I can't relate to this really at all as I'm cis and I don't have this dysmorphia problem. That I don't have a real frame of reference for it doesn't mean I can't be empathetic and compassionate. But that I don't have that frame of reference means I stick my foot in my mouth pretty often. When that happens sometimes people can get snappy, and it can make people trying to be allies fall back on being defensive and derailing it into about them. And that's just stupid. Just be a decent farking human being, and try to listen. I don't get tons of shiat for sticking my foot in my mouth because my heart/intentions are in the right place, I'm willing to listen, learn and empathize.

Life is hard enough. Of course, some people just get off on the misery of others and then all you can do is identify & recognize those people to minimize their impact while profusely sweat while getting their cheap jollies.
 
2014-02-20 07:30:53 AM

Deadite: I honestly think she can win the realest real doll award, cause seriously that picture only makes her look like one.

[resources0.news.com.au image 650x366]


Wait, those are realdolls? I honestly thought they were trannies.
 
2014-02-20 07:37:19 AM

The One True TheDavid: As long as the boy bits still work feel free to ship Jordan over. I'll supply free room & board -- monetarily free anyway -- till one of y'all richer T-word chasers makes a better offer.

They're nice to look at and etc. at that age but the ditziness of youth gets annoying after a while. If you brought me a clone of me at 17 I'd fark me hard but I'd want to duct-tape Teen Davy's mouth shut first. That must be the best part about Real Dolls: they're silent.


you do realize you have a problem, right?
 
2014-02-20 07:42:23 AM
 

The One True TheDavid: You do NOT get to dictate to me what to think and say, period. Why should I give you a privilege I deny to admitted nazis?



so, you put admitted nazis higher on the list of people who get to dictate what you think and say?
 
2014-02-20 07:46:00 AM

Yogimus: Embrace it. Hell, celebrate it if you want... but quit attention whoring it.


As long as you don't have to see it... right?
 
2014-02-20 07:51:45 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Boojum2k: tinfoil-hat maggie: I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

Keep in mind there's plenty of non-haters around here. Illegitimi non carborundum!

Yea and they're are the reason I felt safe to come out but you have to understand I've been reading Fark trans threads since '03 '04 I,'ve had people threaten me with bodily harm here sure thy got disapeareared but....


She's cute. Almost got a kinda Uma Thurman thing going on.

Fwiw, you're cute too.

Dont really understand why people get so bent out of shape about other peoples genitals and sexual proclivities.
 
2014-02-20 07:53:33 AM

diaphoresis: I never understood the people who use ignore lists. Does it mean they are less tolerant of people's opinions that don't match their own?


I use it for people who post large quantities of unrelated pictures in a thread, or people who are more than just minor trolls.  That said, if I or anyone else wanted to filter more liberally - what do you care?  Why is anyone here obligated to read what everyone says?  If put on an ignore list, typically you'll not even know.  You won't be harmed in any way.  You're still free to feel as though you got the attention of the same number of people, that they all felt you were a special snowflake with unique and beautiful ideas.  You can feel that independent of how much of said writing of yours, that others may actually be reading.

I dunno if you know this, but some people's opinion is that they should just shiat on people.  They'll say one thing until it isn't the outside thing, then they'll say a different thing.  They just want to be obnoxious.  They're not adding to the conversation - they're derailing it.  That's what for which the ignore button is typically solving.

So now you know!
 
2014-02-20 08:10:12 AM

GoldSpider: Yogimus: Embrace it. Hell, celebrate it if you want... but quit attention whoring it.

As long as you don't have to see it... right?


As long as we don't have to look at their junk unless we want to? Sure, but that tends to be true for just about anyone.

My wife and I had two transexuals in our wedding party and were married by a third. For some of us it's like someone announcing "I'm left handed" and expecting some sort of response other than "that's nice". When someone announces that they're transitioning as some sort of challenge I tend to get a little annoyed. It's basically:

"I'm transgender, what do you thing about that?"
"Well, since we're in a Starbucks, I think I'd like a house coffee with no room for cream."

I met a kid at a local anime convention who pretty much did just that. I guess he figured he'd shock the middle aged white guy and didn't expect a critique of his overuse of foundation. Less is more, kids.
 
2014-02-20 08:10:50 AM

hardinparamedic: Flying Lasagna Monster: A teenage girl who lived as a boy until a year ago has reached the final of the Miss Coventry beauty queen competition.
Brave Jordan Davis says she's determined to


We get it, you're a pretentious tool.  But at least Facebook is now more accommodating to your form of body dysmorphic disorder.

Ah! A graduate of the esteemed Bob Jones mail order psychology and hot pretzel stand program!


Hey, don't be hating on the pretzel stand program- that's gotten a lot of vendors their start in the food service world.
 
2014-02-20 08:13:44 AM
I must be getting old.  I assumed she was a girl who lived like a boy, aka tomboy.
 
2014-02-20 08:22:53 AM

CivicMindedFive: I must be getting old.  I assumed she was a girl who lived like a boy, aka tomboy.


Gender dysphoria is fashionable this year. I blame Tumblr and Bailey Jay.
 
2014-02-20 08:23:03 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .


*raises hand* I'm a hater I swear!
 
2014-02-20 08:26:14 AM
A teenage girl who lived as a boy until a year ago ...

"I may not have been born a girl, but I am no less female than the rest of the girls."


It's not clear to me from TFA whether he/she is pre-op or post-op. If she's post-op, then she's a chick, so get over it and fark off haters.

(Yes, there's the chromosone thing, but there's such a thing as naturally XX males. Technically, I guess you could say that an XY is "less" female than an XX, but that's quibbling.)

Having said that, if he's pre-op, he's still a he! Being in drag, "living as," or "identifying as" don't change physical reality! You can think you're a can of Cheez Whiz and dress in a Cheez Whiz can costume, but you still aren't freakin' Cheez Whiz!!

/NTTAWWT
 
2014-02-20 08:26:22 AM
What is it about brits and their lady boys?

Buncha preverts.
 
2014-02-20 08:27:10 AM
Jordan Davis?  I'm glad to see he recovered.
 
2014-02-20 08:29:27 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: The One True TheDavid: FraggleStickCar: Whew, my ignore button is really getting a workout from this thread.

Please please please subscribe ME to your Ignore list????

Nope I'm gonna ply if I castay aeke/ Trolls wanting to be ignorde yhah /Whatever' is stupid


(quietly favorites Maggie....wonders why I took so long to do so)
 
2014-02-20 08:34:04 AM
Looks like A boy with a wig...
 
2014-02-20 08:34:07 AM
I'm a bit confused and to how she reached this point, but if she currently has tits and a vagina I don't see a problem with her being in the Miss Coventry pageant.
 
2014-02-20 08:34:33 AM
gen·der
ˈjendər/
noun
1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
 
2014-02-20 08:37:08 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Suck it loser trolls

I'm

a loser troll!

/licks lips
 
2014-02-20 08:38:37 AM

propasaurus: She's  He's cute.

 
2014-02-20 08:41:40 AM

The One True TheDavid: insertsnarkyusername: Alx_xlA: I guess the Sun doesn't go quite as heavy on the photoshop as the Mirror does.

[img.thesun.co.uk image 620x413]

Still looks better than most British women.

Score!

And most Kentuckian women too.


spiritplumber: Quick PC-Britishism explanation: "Girl who lived as a boy" means "MTF, but we're being proper PC and recognizingclaiming to agree that she's a girl with a birth defect rather than a boy with identity issues because we don't want death threats."

S/he's a boy with a identity issues. And I've done much worse, whether with males, females or "she-males."

As long as the boy bits still work feel free to ship Jordan over. I'll supply free room & board -- monetarily free anyway -- till one of y'all richer T-word chasers makes a better offer.

They're nice to look at and etc. at that age but the ditziness of youth gets annoying after a while. If you brought me a clone of me at 17 I'd fark me hard but I'd want to duct-tape Teen Davy's mouth shut first. That must be the best part about Real Dolls: they're silent.


Just a personal observation but:  If you trash the entire female population of a particular state, then offer this whatever-it-is "free [monetarily]" room and board, which I presume to mean s/he will be providing you carnal favors in exchange for your 'generosity' and mention Real Dolls all in the same post, then YOU might have some issues.
 
2014-02-20 08:43:32 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .


I think Mr. Coffee there was just posting a funny Monty Python quote, not actually being a hater...
 
2014-02-20 08:47:41 AM

Fafai: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

*raises hand* I'm a hater I swear!


Fafai: tinfoil-hat maggie: Suck it loser trolls

I'm a loser troll!

/licks lips


I'm picturing Fafai as Daffy Duck right now, doing the "I'm a fiddler crab! Shoot me, it's fiddler crab season!" dance...
 
2014-02-20 08:51:19 AM
Really? Minors in the UK can undergo gender reassignment surgery?
 
2014-02-20 08:51:35 AM

RockofAges: A) Good on her. TG is the new "Gay" in terms of social stigma. It will fall to the same forces of progress and those who treat transgendered individuals as we used to treat gays will likely be embarassed with themselves, the same way as homophobes who saw the light did (en masse) over the past 10-15 years.


Oh man, why am I even venturing into this thread...

But hey, as long as I'm here, I think I'll comment on this part.  I think you're going to see a lot harder struggle for this than you are seeing with the current wave of gay acceptance.  It's a lot less common.  Statistically, one in ten people you meet are gay.  What's the current numbers on people identifying as trans?  Then you add all these subcategories, or ones that people feel like they identify more with instead of just trans, like cis, gender queer, or whatever.  

I am incredibly liberal, but I find it frustrating to keep up with all these self identifiers that have a nebulous definition from person to person at best.  Imagine how confusing it is for your average person living in BFE that has never met a trans person, let alone some nutter in the backwoods who actually hates anything and anyone different from them.  

It's gotten to the point almost everyone personally knows someone who is gay, most likely openly.  Not so much with trans folks.  Add to that the physical appearance, which in most cases isn't "Baily Jay" territory, but more in the "Dude looks like a lady" realm, and you have a blueprint for a steep climb upward to acceptance.  Not saying it won't happen, but I think it's going to take a generation for society as a whole to get used to gays being treated as, you know, human,before you're going to see transgendered folks making large inroads.  There will be some additional acceptance just following in the wake of gay/lesbian acceptance movement, but I wouldn't expect a monumental shift for a while.
 
2014-02-20 08:56:18 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .


My long-time boner for you just wilted. (No 'fense, just personal pref.)

[Looks at profile pic again. Semi-chub returns.]

OK, if you don't actually still have a c+ck, I'll still thread icing on your cake, ifyouknowwhatimean.


/of course, you give a shiat what I think
//cuz I'm irresistable to babes
///so prove you're one: irresist me!
 
2014-02-20 09:00:39 AM

The Envoy: The One True TheDavid: Actually, it's not. It's a mental illness based on an incompatibility between one's obvious physical sex and one's felt gender.

Actually, it is.  There is scientific evidence of physical differences in the brains of transsexuals, both male-to-female and female-to-male.


Before or after hormone treatment?

For years they swore there was scientific proof schizophrenia was caused by certain abnormalities in the brain. Then it turned out the drugs they used to treat it caused the brain damage. OOPS.


jso2897:

We all dwell within our own delusion.

Did you make that up yourself or was it scribbled on a lavatory wall?


The problem arises when one becomes grandiose, and begins imagining that one is in a position to pronounce other people's "delusions" as being especially "delusional".

A delusion is a false belief contrary to obvious facts. In this case the obvious fact is that when you find XY chromosomes and male genitalia on a human being you're not looking at a female.


It's a form of authoritarianism, which, in turn, is a form of paranoia.

Oh please. The problem with my "authoritarianism" is that nobody accepts me as an authority figure, not even my dogs, and I don't try very hard to change their minds.

If expressing an opinion you disagree with counts as authoritarianism and paranoia in your book then it's you who's being bossy, isn't it? "If you don't agree with everything I say then you're a nazi and a hater!"

I use my Ignore file to spare myself being bothered by people who think they have a right to tell me what to think and say and then call me a bossy meanie if I don't knuckle under. Which just sailed right over your head again, didn't it.

Bye, you insufferable idiot!
 
2014-02-20 09:04:37 AM
Trolls putting others on ignore, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
 
2014-02-20 09:05:13 AM

Epic Fap Session: Trolls putting others on ignore, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!


So be good for goodness' sake!
 
2014-02-20 09:08:52 AM

RastaKins: Jordan does have the distinction of being the only Miss Coventry contestant with a penis.


But she's NO LESS FEMALE than any of the other girls.
/ don't forget that.
 
2014-02-20 09:11:05 AM
Yes. You do. You have to look a certain way to be beautiful. That's pretty much the textbook definition.
 
2014-02-20 09:12:21 AM

IamAwake: The One True TheDavid:

You do NOT get to dictate to me what to think and say, period. Why should I give you a privilege I deny to admitted nazis?

so, you put admitted nazis higher on the list of people who get to dictate what you think and say?


Read that again, slowly. Move your lips if you have to. Stare at it while you have a bowl of Corn Flakes. Drink some coffee. Go pee and come back. Stare at it some more.  

Then give up. You're just not old & wise enough to understand the typings of we are no longer 12.
 
2014-02-20 09:14:55 AM

jso2897: I am both amazed and amused by the people this seems to bother.
I wonder if any of you realize how incredibly transparent you are.


Wrong. Just because Jordan's mom and dad are transparents doesn't mean the rest of us are.
 
2014-02-20 09:23:20 AM

gerbilpox: It's not clear to me from TFA whether he/she is pre-op or post-op. If she's post-op, then she's a chick, so get over it and fark off haters.


No, she's a mutilated dude. Get over it and fark off, PC dimwit.


(Yes, there's the chromosone thing, but there's such a thing as naturally XX males.

No, there isn't. If you're naturally XX you're female.
 This is elementary. So is this: which is bigger, the Earth or the Sun?
 
2014-02-20 09:24:32 AM

RockofAges: I would not argue that there are the same number of TG individuals as there are gay / lesbian, but I would not suggest the "rarity" is as high as you are positing.


I honestly don't know what the percentage is, but I know that in my rather liberal circles I run in I see a lot less of them than I do "traditional" gays and lesbians.  And I know that trans folks tend to run in the same circles, and may or may not also identify by gay or lesbian themselves.

And that's kind of my point, though.  Gay, people can get.  They might not like it, or even hate it, but they can understand it.  You like the same sex, you're gay, if you like the opposite, you're straight, and if you're bi, then you're greedy (kidding).  People can grasp that.  But like I said, this "trans female that just won a beauty contest used to live as a man, but now lives as a female, identifies as..." is kind of confusing to me, and I actually KNOW people like this personally.  When you start adding additional ones that, frankly, sound completely made up, it just gets confusing.

It's easy to forget when you live in larger population centers, or run in more diverse circles, that most people are possibly never going to meet someone in these unique groups.  But with the internet making the world that much smaller of a place, who knows?

But, I also forgot to bring up the fact that we are a very binary species.  Sexual dimorphic, if I remember the term from my sociology classes correctly.  That IS the norm, no matter what people say.  Yes, gay, lesbian, trans...  It is different from the norm.  By definition, it is abnormal.  That isn't to say unheard of, or freakish and unnatural.  Or is it meant to be shunned.  But as an animal and as a social society, we are trained at birth with certain cultural gender norms.  And cultures change slow, and are slow to recognize anything outside the norm.  The more it strays from the norms, the harder it is to see mass acceptance.  

Gays and Lesbians have the "advantage" that while their sexual appetites are different from the vast majority, they by and large conform to certain cultural norms.  Even a "butch" lesbian still maintains certain female qualities, just as feminine gay men still maintain certain masculine ones.  I think some of this will be corrected with future generations, though.  As acceptance grows, kids that feel like they are the wrong gender will be able to start hormone therapy sooner, and stopping the most visible signs of male/female gender before puberty fully sets in.  The kid in the article, I'm sorry, does look like a boy in drag.  Females dressing as men by and large have softer features, softer skin, and of course breasts.  But starting hormone therapy earlier, before strong jaws and wider hips set in, may let people slide into their preferred rolls more easily without as much judgement.

Maybe I'm rambling, and I am admittedly just using anecdotal evidence to support a theory I pulled straight out of my ass.  But I know gays and lesbians that have a certain measure of trans-phobia, in that they feel like they are just being dishonest or "attention whoring."  And when you have a already marginalized group like homosexuals not fully committed behind you, I just think it's going to be an even tougher struggle for you.
 
2014-02-20 09:33:44 AM

Flying Lasagna Monster: A teenage girl who lived as a boy until a year ago has reached the final of the Miss Coventry beauty queen competition.
Brave Jordan Davis says she's determined to


We get it, you're a pretentious tool.  But at least Facebook is now more accommodating to your form of body dysmorphic disorder.


The first time I read that sentence I thought that "Brave" was her new chosen first name (as many transgender people understandably seem to do after their change), and thought the same thing. But in the rest of TFA they refer to her only as Jordan, so it seems like it's the author who's just saying that she's brave. I'm assuming that confusion is the source of your opinion.

As for the body dysmorphia, I've thought about this before and I think that the distinction is that someone who is truly dysmorphic will never be happy with their appearance no matter how they look (think bag-of-antlers anorexic girls who still think they're fat), while someone like her can be satisfied and move on with her life after her change. I'm sure there are transgender people who are also dysmorphic, but it doesn't seem to be across the board.
 
2014-02-20 09:34:49 AM
Bird: an animal with mammaries and fur that locomotes by running around on four legs.

Don't agree? You're a binary thinker. A hater. Authoritarian and paranoid. Behind the times. Just not smart enough to be in with the PC crowd. Suffering from a personal problem.

Golly.
 
2014-02-20 09:48:11 AM
So what's cis? I saw that referenced in the star wars the ad too.
 
2014-02-20 10:05:21 AM

IngramValiant: So what's cis? I saw that referenced in the star wars the ad too.


Cisgender means you aren't trans. It means your gender (man/woman--identity) and your sex (male/female--biology) match up.
 
2014-02-20 10:19:14 AM
Fascinating thread to read.

Still think that the bathroom you use should most closely match your genitals and that if you have anything potentially unexpected going on in your pants it is probably best to bring it up with a potential partner before the big reveal.
 
2014-02-20 10:26:41 AM

stlbluez: But she's NO LESS FEMALE than any of the other girls.
/ don't forget that.


Except for the fact that she's the only one who looks like a man in drag.
/impossible to forget that
 
2014-02-20 10:51:29 AM

gerbilpox: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

My long-time boner for you just wilted. (No 'fense, just personal pref.)

[Looks at profile pic again. Semi-chub returns.]

OK, if you don't actually still have a c+ck, I'll still thread icing on your cake, ifyouknowwhatimean.


/of course, you give a shiat what I think
//cuz I'm irresistable to babes
///so prove you're one: irresist me!


Holy fark, dude.  facepalm.jpg
 
2014-02-20 10:54:29 AM
Attention whore. Probably made up story for more attention ..
 
2014-02-20 10:57:55 AM

The One True TheDavid: Before or after hormone treatment?


So you didn't read the link which shows you to be wrong.  Quelle surprise.  The study was done on people who'd had no treatment.

For years they swore there was scientific proof schizophrenia was caused by certain abnormalities in the brain. Then it turned out the drugs they used to treat it caused the brain damage. OOPS.

Citation needed.
 
2014-02-20 11:03:02 AM

RockofAges: Lots of good points. I agree with most of them. The hate from the gay and lesbian lobby is nothing new to transgendered folks, look at the rough ride bisexuals get from the "pure gays".

I don't agree that human beings are sexually hardline to the degree that you suggest. Men may be, but women certainly aren't.


In our American/western society, maybe.  We sexualize women more so than men, though, so it's not surprising.  Two men together, to my personal view, is not something sexy that I want to witness.  But be lying if two hot women going at it didn't make me take notice, however.  I think that's why you see a lot more acceptance, even if it's of the creepy variety, for lesbians than you do gay men.  Two "wrongs" don't make a right, but two "rights" are just awesome, so to speak.

But in other cultures, fundamentalist Muslim for instance, any homosexuality is deemed worthy of death.  But then, so is eating a donut from Krispy Kreme, so maybe not the best example there. That said, when you look at the Taiwanese, or many old Native American cultures, transgender is not just an accepted thing but in some cases celebrated.  

I think we can say that we are gender bimorphic by nature, but obviously culture and societal pressures can have a greater influence than our monkey brains do on our traditional gender roles. 

As far as this hate you talk about for bisexuals and trans coming from more "traditional" homosexuals, I can't really say.  I've seen it, but I don't know how widespread it actually is.  But it's also not surprising.  Racial minorities struggled for years for any semblance of equality, and still are struggling.  But statistically, these same folks are voting in the majority to deny these same rights of marriage and the like to homosexuals.  Everyone needs a group they can look down on, apparently.  

That much IS hardwired, I guess.
 
2014-02-20 11:03:51 AM
Yeah, sure, "death threats".

This doesn't sound at all like typical tranny histrionics/attention whoring.
 
2014-02-20 11:04:54 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-02-20 11:04:55 AM
Go on not understanding how transgenders and transexuals work, but I advise getting out of the way. The world isn't going to stop and explain it to you.
 
2014-02-20 11:07:59 AM

The Envoy: For years they swore there was scientific proof schizophrenia was caused by certain abnormalities in the brain. Then it turned out the drugs they used to treat it caused the brain damage. OOPS.

Citation needed.


I hate to throw in with him on anything, but that much is true.  Almost any drug is going to have an effect on your brain, even if it is inconsequential.  But when mood altering or stabilizing drugs like the ones used in schizophrenia, you're probably going to see more.

Not the best source, but they do cite all of their research and the studies they come from in every section.
 
2014-02-20 11:11:48 AM

Shadowtag: Go on not understanding how transgenders and transexuals work, but I advise getting out of the way. The world isn't going to stop and explain it to you.


Part of it is the community itself needs to get on a standard.  Humans like to classify and categorize.  This person in the article, by definition, doesn't want to be categorized.  And like I rambled on about above, I have people in my life that can't decide if they are male, female, or some made up term that has a different meaning depending on who you ask.

That isn't to say you should be denied rights or belittled, but a standard definition is needed to get wide acceptance started.  You can't just go with what you feel like that day, or make up a term no one has heard of, and expect people to just go along with it.
 
2014-02-20 11:12:23 AM

Shadowknight: As far as this hate you talk about for bisexuals and trans coming from more "traditional" homosexuals, I can't really say.


I'm bi. I haven't gotten any real "hate" from gays about it but I do get skepticism and condescendence from gays and straights alike, like they know better than I do about my sexuality.

RockofAges: look at the rough ride bisexuals get from the "pure gays".


I don't mind when they ride me rough.
 
2014-02-20 11:13:35 AM

GreenSun: Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?


Yes. I have a friend who is going through transformation, and I've got a huge crush on her. If I wasn't married...
 
2014-02-20 11:15:02 AM
Problem with Coventry?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-02-20 11:16:30 AM

Fafai: I'm bi. I haven't gotten any real "hate" from gays about it but I do get skepticism and condescendence from gays and straights alike, like they know better than I do about my sexuality.


Well, that's just because you're greedy and lazy.  Just willing to accept any genitalia that comes your way, like a horny Venus Fly Trap.  It's not right.  Getting laid should be hard and frustrating, damn it.

/kidding, if that wasn't clear
 
2014-02-20 11:28:06 AM

IamAwake: diaphoresis: I never understood the people who use ignore lists. Does it mean they are less tolerant of people's opinions that don't match their own?

I use it for people who post large quantities of unrelated pictures in a thread, or people who are more than just minor trolls.  That said, if I or anyone else wanted to filter more liberally - what do you care?  Why is anyone here obligated to read what everyone says?  If put on an ignore list, typically you'll not even know.  You won't be harmed in any way.  You're still free to feel as though you got the attention of the same number of people, that they all felt you were a special snowflake with unique and beautiful ideas.  You can feel that independent of how much of said writing of yours, that others may actually be reading.

I dunno if you know this, but some people's opinion is that they should just shiat on people.  They'll say one thing until it isn't the outside thing, then they'll say a different thing.  They just want to be obnoxious.  They're not adding to the conversation - they're derailing it.  That's what for which the ignore button is typically solving.

So now you know!


I always ignore transphobes because I simply don't give a crap about what a person's opinion on anything else might be if they can't even summon the strength to be respectful of fellow human beings.
 
2014-02-20 11:30:24 AM
The One True TheDavid

Why do you continue to participate in these threads? You have one thought, no insight, and your opinion is unwavering despite contradictory evidence provided by many other people here. You blather ad nauseam with nothing useful to impart. You are bigoted, incurious, willfully ignorant and proud of it. I'm tired of seeing your name littering the place.
 
2014-02-20 11:31:50 AM
"Cute teen girl who previously lived as a boy"

She previously lived as a boy? What hiding her vagina and breasts?

Shouldn't the correct statement be "Cute teen boy  that had a sex change"
 
2014-02-20 11:32:21 AM

Shadowknight: Fafai: I'm bi. I haven't gotten any real "hate" from gays about it but I do get skepticism and condescendence from gays and straights alike, like they know better than I do about my sexuality.

Well, that's just because you're greedy and lazy.  Just willing to accept any genitalia that comes your way, like a horny Venus Fly Trap.  It's not right.  Getting laid should be hard and frustrating, damn it.

/kidding, if that wasn't clear


No need to be jealous of me for that. I'm married and monogamous.
 
2014-02-20 11:32:29 AM

madgonad: the bathroom you use should most closely match your genitals


Why? And who is going to check? Are you offering?
 
2014-02-20 11:40:37 AM

Shadowknight: The Envoy: For years they swore there was scientific proof schizophrenia was caused by certain abnormalities in the brain. Then it turned out the drugs they used to treat it caused the brain damage. OOPS.

Citation needed.

I hate to throw in with him on anything, but that much is true.  Almost any drug is going to have an effect on your brain, even if it is inconsequential.  But when mood altering or stabilizing drugs like the ones used in schizophrenia, you're probably going to see more.

Not the best source, but they do cite all of their research and the studies they come from in every section.


From the very first sentence:
"SUMMARY: Changes in brain structure are caused both by the disease process of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and by the antipsychotic drugs used to treat these diseases".

His contention was that the damage seen in schizophrenia was causedby the drugs.  This is obviously not the case.  I'm not saying the drugs don't exacerbate the damage but they don't cause it.  So there is still scientific proof that schizophrenia is caused by abnormalities in the brain.  Unless people are taking antipsychotic drugs prior to developing schizophrenia then this contention is just as stupid as the rest of his posts.
 
2014-02-20 11:41:13 AM
"I may not have been born a girl, but I am no less female than the rest of the girls."

Besides the fact that they have functional clits, can give birth and lactate, and you cant, yeah I'd say you're about right.
 
2014-02-20 11:43:27 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: madgonad: the bathroom you use should most closely match your genitals

Why? And who is going to check? Are you offering?


This would be even more confusing--none of the available bathrooms look anything like my genitals.
 
2014-02-20 11:51:20 AM

Danger Mouse: "Cute teen girl who previously lived as a boy"

She previously lived as a boy? What hiding her vagina and breasts?

Shouldn't the correct statement be "Cute teen boy  that had a sex change"


She is transgendered.  Her sex is male.  Her gender is female.  I didn't read nothing about an operation, so one would have to presume she is tucking and taping for the competition.

"I may not have been born a girl, but I am no less female than the rest of the girls."

Unless you define being female as not schlonging a dong.
 
2014-02-20 11:59:01 AM

The Envoy: From the very first sentence:
"SUMMARY: Changes in brain structure are caused both by the disease process of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and by the antipsychotic drugs used to treat these diseases".

His contention was that the damage seen in schizophrenia was causedby the drugs.  This is obviously not the case.  I'm not saying the drugs don't exacerbate the damage but they don't cause it.  So there is still scientific proof that schizophrenia is caused by abnormalities in the brain.  Unless people are taking antipsychotic drugs prior to developing schizophrenia then this contention is just as stupid as the rest of his posts.


I didn't take his comment as that.  I took it that they were trying to see if schizophrenia patients had different brain structure.  A study found that they did, indeed, have a different structure.  But upon further analysis, they realized that a lot of that structure difference was caused by the drugs, as every schizophrenic patient that looked at had been on drugs for years to treat their disease.  Thus, it tainted the study.

Again, not trying to defend his overall views, whatever they are.  But the small point he was making HERE may have real reasoning behind it.
 
2014-02-20 12:08:51 PM

Alx_xlA: I guess the Sun doesn't go quite as heavy on the photoshop as the Mirror does.

[img.thesun.co.uk image 620x413]


Well, they're definitely British
 
2014-02-20 12:09:49 PM

FraggleStickCar: gerbilpox: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

My long-time boner for you just wilted. (No 'fense, just personal pref.)

[Looks at profile pic again. Semi-chub returns.]

OK, if you don't actually still have a c+ck, I'll still thread icing on your cake, ifyouknowwhatimean.


/of course, you give a shiat what I think
//cuz I'm irresistable to babes
///so prove you're one: irresist me!

Holy fark, dude.  facepalm.jpg


Think I blew my chance at BIE?


/you know the slashies were sarcasm, right?
//no reason for her to give a shiat
 
2014-02-20 12:10:32 PM

trappedspirit: Danger Mouse: "Cute teen girl who previously lived as a boy"

She previously lived as a boy? What hiding her vagina and breasts?

Shouldn't the correct statement be "Cute teen boy  that had a sex change"

She is transgendered.  Her sex is male.  Her gender is female.  I didn't read nothing about an operation, so one would have to presume she is tucking and taping for the competition.

"I may not have been born a girl, but I am no less female than the rest of the girls."

Unless you define being female as not schlonging a dong.



 I define feamle by the genetila and the abscense of a y chromosone. A girl is a prebuescent female and a boy is a prebuscent male.

So this is a tanssexual male.  Headline should read "Cute transexual boy"
 
2014-02-20 12:14:01 PM

Danger Mouse: trappedspirit: Danger Mouse: "Cute teen girl who previously lived as a boy"

She previously lived as a boy? What hiding her vagina and breasts?

Shouldn't the correct statement be "Cute teen boy  that had a sex change"

She is transgendered.  Her sex is male.  Her gender is female.  I didn't read nothing about an operation, so one would have to presume she is tucking and taping for the competition.

"I may not have been born a girl, but I am no less female than the rest of the girls."

Unless you define being female as not schlonging a dong.


 I define feamle by the genetila and the abscense of a y chromosone. A girl is a prebuescent female and a boy is a prebuscent male.

So this is a tanssexual male.  Headline should read "Cute transexual cross dressing boy"


FTFM.
 
2014-02-20 12:14:02 PM

Danger Mouse: I define feamle by the genetila and the abscense of a y chromosone.


I see that your level of educational achievement in biology is equivalent in measure to your level of achievement in English.
 
2014-02-20 12:14:46 PM
Cute? "She" looks like exactly what "she" is, a boy with make-up on.
 
2014-02-20 12:17:01 PM

Theaetetus: Danger Mouse: I define feamle by the genetila and the abscense of a y chromosone.

I see that your level of educational achievement in biology is equivalent in measure to your level of achievement in English.


How do you define female, out of curiosity?
 
2014-02-20 12:19:14 PM
I'm sorry, but you're either born with a penis or a vagina -- deal with it.  And dealing with it doesn't mean trying to change it.  These people want us to accept them when they can't even accept themselves.

I've often wondered how people get that so confused.  Simply looking in one's pants will tell you the correct answer, with the exception of hermaphrodites, but that's very rare.

/ I say that as a straight guy who traditionally hates most "male" things and loves "female" things.  IE: I hate football, cars, drinking, and looking at beautiful women doesn't do anything for me.   I love fashion, sappy chick flicks, and want a woman who is interested in deep relationships.   And no, I'm not a whiney hipster about it either.
// Just getting back in after Fashion Week in NYC.  Had a great time.
/// Blessed with a fiance who likes the same things I do.
 
2014-02-20 12:24:09 PM

Sean M: I'm sorry, but you're either born with a penis or a vagina -- deal with it.  And dealing with it doesn't mean trying to change it.  These people want us to accept them when they can't even accept themselves.

I've often wondered how people get that so confused.  Simply looking in one's pants will tell you the correct answer, with the exception of hermaphrodites, but that's very rare.

/ I say that as a straight guy who traditionally hates most "male" things and loves "female" things.  IE: I hate football, cars, drinking, and looking at beautiful women doesn't do anything for me.   I love fashion, sappy chick flicks, and want a woman who is interested in deep relationships.   And no, I'm not a whiney hipster about it either.
// Just getting back in after Fashion Week in NYC.  Had a great time.
/// Blessed with a fiance who likes the same things I do.


Do you wear glasses? Have you had any dental work done ever? Use hair products in your hair? Are you using deodorant? Why the fark can't you just accept yourself??? Yeah, I DO wonder how some people get so confused too...
 
2014-02-20 12:28:28 PM

Sean M: I'm sorry, but you're either born with a penis or a vagina -- deal with it... Simply looking in one's pants will tell you the correct answer, with the exception of hermaphrodites, but that's very rare.


Well, wait a second, which is it - a penis/vagina dichotomy, or that there are other categories? You're contradicting yourself right from the starting gate.

But your false dichotomy aside, continuing:
And dealing with it doesn't mean trying to change it.  These people want us to accept them when they can't even accept themselves.

Actually, I think they'd rather you simply shut up about what's in their pants and stop trying to force your beliefs on them. Like, if you never again mentioned their genitalia, they'd probably be quite happy. Gleeful, even. Bet you can't do it, though. You should explore this need to involve yourself in others' private lives, as it may reflect some deep insecurities of your own.
 
2014-02-20 12:28:46 PM

The One True TheDavid: gerbilpox: It's not clear to me from TFA whether he/she is pre-op or post-op. If she's post-op, then she's a chick, so get over it and fark off haters.

No, she's a mutilated dude. Get over it and fark off, PC dimwit.


(Yes, there's the chromosone thing, but there's such a thing as naturally XX males.

No, there isn't. If you're naturally XX you're female.
 This is elementary. So is this: which is bigger, the Earth or the Sun?


Didn't click my link, did you?

  "Analytic review: nature and origin of males with XX sex chromosomes". American Journal of Human Genetics. PMID 4622299.


"A case of XX male syndrome". Journal of Medical Genetics. PMID 5501706.


What you say is elementary indeed, but I'm speaking at college level.
 
2014-02-20 12:30:05 PM

Lady Indica: Do you wear glasses? Have you had any dental work done ever? Use hair products in your hair? Are you using deodorant? Why the fark can't you just accept yourself??? Yeah, I DO wonder how some people get so confused too...


Playing devil's advocate here, but one of those is a medical correction (glasses), one of them is borderline medical/vanity (dental work), and the others are something to purposely adapt to cultural norms of the time to fit in.  Trans are, you know, doing the exact opposite of that.  Going against cultural norms, making fitting in a lot harder.  Not that hiding your true self from the world is preferable, of course...

I'm not saying you're wrong in your overall argument, but your logic (or at the very least, the example set you chose) is flawed.
 
2014-02-20 12:30:36 PM

Lady Indica: Do you wear glasses? Have you had any dental work done ever? Use hair products in your hair? Are you using deodorant? Why the fark can't you just accept yourself??? Yeah, I DO wonder how some people get so confused too...


Maybe some cbt would help him with that confusion.

/confused
 
2014-02-20 12:33:58 PM
what kind of world is this that guys make better girls?????
 
2014-02-20 12:36:41 PM

diaphoresis: The One True TheDavid: diaphoresis: The One True TheDavid: Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

... That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."

Please tell me you're kidding.

There was a tabloid article about it last year some sometime; I lost track but it should be Googleable.

And it's common knowledge that there are people who think they're "really" amputees who stick their legs in front of trains to "make the outside match the inside."

Sad but true.

I wonder if it technically would be considered a mental illness? From a certain point of view, it might be no different than transgenders who get a sex operation. Interesting thing to think upon.


I had wondered these things myself, but was attacked for asking.
 
2014-02-20 12:38:21 PM

gerbilpox: The One True TheDavid: gerbilpox: It's not clear to me from TFA whether he/she is pre-op or post-op. If she's post-op, then she's a chick, so get over it and fark off haters.

No, she's a mutilated dude. Get over it and fark off, PC dimwit.


(Yes, there's the chromosone thing, but there's such a thing as naturally XX males.

No, there isn't. If you're naturally XX you're female.
 This is elementary. So is this: which is bigger, the Earth or the Sun?

Didn't click my link, did you?

  "Analytic review: nature and origin of males with XX sex chromosomes". American Journal of Human Genetics. PMID 4622299.


"A case of XX male syndrome". Journal of Medical Genetics. PMID 5501706.

What you say is elementary indeed, but I'm speaking at college level.


In those cases, the genes for making (most of the) male genitalia has been transposed onto an X chromosome. It's a genetic farkup.

I doubt that you're saying that all trannies have genetic farkups like this. Tranny threads always lead to someone whipping out information about how genetic farkups that can lead to sex ambiguity, but 99% of trannies don't have these chromosome problems, so it's completely irrelevant.
 
2014-02-20 12:44:19 PM
What does "...who previously lived as a boy" even farking mean?  The only form of human endeavor 100% gender exclusive  is reproduction, and I don't see this dude dropping a baby anytime soon.
 
2014-02-20 12:46:01 PM
What a fun thread !
 
2014-02-20 12:48:14 PM

jigger: Tranny threads always lead to someone whipping out information about how genetic farkups that can lead to sex ambiguity, but 99% of trannies don't have these chromosome problems, so it's completely irrelevant.


Actually, these threads are always full of idiots who make pronunciations based on what they dimly remember from fifth grade science class, like "there aren't such a thing as XX males" or the like, and people attempting to enlighten them with this new-fangled biology stuff that we've only known about for the past 50 years or so. Then there's always one or two who double-down and say that the idiots are "mostly right" and that any information to the contrary is "completely irrelevant".
 
2014-02-20 12:50:48 PM

Fafai: Epic Fap Session: Trolls putting others on ignore, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

So be good for goodness' sake!


Whoooaaaaa-ooooohhhhhh, somebody's comin'...

Yes it's true, your honor. This man has no dick.
 
2014-02-20 12:52:56 PM

Theaetetus: jigger: Tranny threads always lead to someone whipping out information about how genetic farkups that can lead to sex ambiguity, but 99% of trannies don't have these chromosome problems, so it's completely irrelevant.

Actually, these threads are always full of idiots who make pronunciations based on what they dimly remember from fifth grade science class, like "there aren't such a thing as XX males" or the like, and people attempting to enlighten them with this new-fangled biology stuff that we've only known about for the past 50 years or so. Then there's always one or two who double-down and say that the idiots are "mostly right" and that any information to the contrary is "completely irrelevant".


What is relevant about XX males with regard to this particular boy who wishes he were a girl?
 
2014-02-20 12:54:45 PM

Sean M: I say that as a straight guy who traditionally hates most "male" things and loves "female" things. IE: I hate football, cars, drinking, and looking at beautiful women doesn't do anything for me.


Dude, you're a dude, but a straight one? Isn't that, by definition, a guy who's attracted to women?

/NTTAWWT
 
2014-02-20 12:57:41 PM

Theaetetus: jigger: Tranny threads always lead to someone whipping out information about how genetic farkups that can lead to sex ambiguity, but 99% of trannies don't have these chromosome problems, so it's completely irrelevant.

Actually, these threads are always full of idiots who make pronunciations based on what they dimly remember from fifth grade science class, like "there aren't such a thing as XX males" or the like, and people attempting to enlighten them with this new-fangled biology stuff that we've only known about for the past 50 years or so. Then there's always one or two who double-down and say that the idiots are "mostly right" and that any information to the contrary is "completely irrelevant".



Not only that, but those chromosomal problems aren't necessarily correlated with transsexuality. Other valid biological and neurological factors are. Which of course is not to say that there aren't individuals with chromosomal anomalies who are also transgender.
 
2014-02-20 12:57:46 PM

jigger: Theaetetus: jigger: Tranny threads always lead to someone whipping out information about how genetic farkups that can lead to sex ambiguity, but 99% of trannies don't have these chromosome problems, so it's completely irrelevant.

Actually, these threads are always full of idiots who make pronunciations based on what they dimly remember from fifth grade science class, like "there aren't such a thing as XX males" or the like, and people attempting to enlighten them with this new-fangled biology stuff that we've only known about for the past 50 years or so. Then there's always one or two who double-down and say that the idiots are "mostly right" and that any information to the contrary is "completely irrelevant".

What is relevant about XX males with regard to this particular boy who wishes he were a girl?


What is relevant about the statement "there are no XX males" said by the aforementioned idiot upthread with regard to this particular boy?
You can't complain that we're straying from the topic when we're merely correcting people who have already strayed from the topic.
 
2014-02-20 12:58:36 PM
s/boy/girl. Sorry, was blithely echoing your construction and shouldn't have been.
 
2014-02-20 01:44:53 PM

Theaetetus: What is relevant about the statement "there are no XX males" said by the aforementioned idiot upthread with regard to this particular boy?


XX males have nothing to do with this story or virtually any transsexual situation, but when a person has XY sex chromosomes and was born with a penis, that's a male. That male can wish he were a female or think that he is, and expect everyone to address him as such, but it doesn't change the fact that they are male.
 
2014-02-20 01:49:56 PM
I see the usual trolls have shown up to demand stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpg
 
2014-02-20 01:50:06 PM

jigger: Theaetetus: jigger: Tranny threads always lead to someone whipping out information about how genetic farkups that can lead to sex ambiguity, but 99% of trannies don't have these chromosome problems, so it's completely irrelevant.

Actually, these threads are always full of idiots who make pronunciations based on what they dimly remember from fifth grade science class, like "there aren't such a thing as XX males" or the like, and people attempting to enlighten them with this new-fangled biology stuff that we've only known about for the past 50 years or so. Then there's always one or two who double-down and say that the idiots are "mostly right" and that any information to the contrary is "completely irrelevant".

What is relevant about XX males with regard to this particular boy who wishes he were a girl?


What we're arguing about is whether he is a boy or a girl. So does one distinguish?

Clothing, makeup, lifestyle, personality: Widely ranging within genders, and with overlap between them. What's considered M vs. F reflects customs and stereotypes.

Boobies, build, facial features: Ditto. While statistically different between genders (e.g., the average height for women is less than the avg for men) there's plenty of variance and overlap.

Gender attracted to: Obviously not a divider.

What gender one thinks they are: Mental, doesn't change physical. Can vary over time. Can reflect delusion (not saying it always does, but it can).

Peener vs. poon: Surgically changeable

Reproductive capability: Males and formerly-males don't have it, but women don't necessarily do. They can be born without a uterus, and they can be infertile for other reasons -- including age. All women reach menopause if they live long enough.

XX vs. XY: Not 100% determinative (even though 99%+)

I suppose one could argue that the last one is the best measure, but if someone like this kid fits everything else (most importantly, the peener vs. poon), I'll accept that. The chromosones are invisible and don't, as a practical matter, have an impact.

But IANAD(octor).
 
2014-02-20 01:53:59 PM
Here's my 2 cents.

So Facebook has about 50 different possibilities for gender.  I'll be honest.  A lot of them I don't understand.   I don't know what they mean or I just can't 'get' what it means to identify with a given gender.   But then, I can't really 'get' what it means to be a straight woman, because I'm not one.

I see thousands of people when I'm walking to work each day.  Some of whom I think are attractive and might daydream a bit about what 'lies beneath'.   But, at the end of the day, I'm not going to see them naked or have sex with them.   So really, how they identify themselves is pretty much irrelevant to me.   How they dress, what genitals they have, what they do with those genitals have zero impact on my life.

Of those people I have day to day interaction with, I tend to just try and pick up gender cues and use the appropriate pronouns.   If you are going to whip your genitals out and they don't match my expectation then that's more my problem than yours.

If you're a butch 300lb (seemingly male) Biker with a full beard, I will refer to you as "Sir" and use male pronouns.  If you prefer to be referred using female pronouns then politely tell me and I will apologise and do so.  Because you know what?   I couldn't care.   It doesn't cost me anything to use a female pronoun instead of a male one or vice versa.  It's not a big deal.  And its polite to refer to someone how they want to be referred to.

And some times persons with dicks trigger my 'hot chick' sensor.   I don't have a problem with that.
 
2014-02-20 01:55:12 PM

jigger: I doubt that you're saying that all trannies have genetic farkups like this. Tranny threads always lead to someone whipping out information about how genetic farkups that can lead to sex ambiguity, but 99% of trannies don't have these chromosome problems, so it's completely irrelevant


And then they have you demonstrating you never took any kind of psychology or biology after high school.

Protip: Chromosomes don't determine gender identity. Epigenetic factors and maternal-fetal factors do. Gender identity =/= which haploid cell you produce.
 
2014-02-20 01:56:19 PM

VladTheEmailer: And some times persons with dicks trigger my 'hot chick' sensor.   I don't have a problem with that.


trolacas.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-02-20 02:04:58 PM

VladTheEmailer: So Facebook has about 50 different possibilities for gender. I'll be honest. A lot of them I don't understand.



Don't worry, facebook is neither a reliable nor authoritative arbiter of gender 'categories.'. Regardless of the fact that they consulted with some representatives of some of the transgender population. Good, honest comment, by the way.
 
2014-02-20 02:08:45 PM

Fafai: tinfoil-hat maggie: Suck it loser trolls

I'm a loser troll!

/licks lips


Ah you're cute, just seeing what kind of damage I did last night : )
 
2014-02-20 02:08:53 PM

hardinparamedic: Protip: Chromosomes don't determine gender identity. Epigenetic factors and maternal-fetal factors do. Gender identity =/= which haploid cell you produce.


Did you just quote him saying that those problems are NOT really a factor here and therefore irrelevant, and then go on to school him on the topic as if he said the opposite?
 
2014-02-20 02:13:28 PM

ReverendJasen: hardinparamedic: Protip: Chromosomes don't determine gender identity. Epigenetic factors and maternal-fetal factors do. Gender identity =/= which haploid cell you produce.

Did you just quote him saying that those problems are NOT really a factor here and therefore irrelevant, and then go on to school him on the topic as if he said the opposite?



Context, comprehension. Try them,
 
2014-02-20 02:13:52 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Fafai: tinfoil-hat maggie: Suck it loser trolls

I'm a loser troll!

/licks lips

Ah you're cute, just seeing what kind of damage I did last night : )


Oh maggie, I do so enjoy watching you go on your rampages.
 
2014-02-20 02:18:32 PM

jigger: Theaetetus: What is relevant about the statement "there are no XX males" said by the aforementioned idiot upthread with regard to this particular boy?

XX males have nothing to do with this story


You're right. It does, however, have to do with the thread, since others have raised the question.

... or virtually any transsexual situation, but when a person has XY sex chromosomes and was born with a penis, that's a male.

Biologically, yes.

That male can wish he were a female or think that he is, and expect everyone to address him as such, but it doesn't change the fact that they are male.
 That biological male can wish she were of the female  gender, think that she is, and expect everyone to address her as such, because we address people according to the gender identity, not their biological sex. I don't know about you, but most people don't take blood samples and check chromosomes before they call someone "him" or "her". In fact, most people don't check the contents of someone's underwear before they call that someone "him" or "her". Instead, we refer to people by a gender pronoun based, typically, on their appearance and conformance to a gender stereotype, although their express wishes may also be a factor.
If  you are going around checking people's biological sex before referring to them with a pronoun, I submit that your behavior is unique in the entire world, not to mention disturbing and strange. I also think it may be legally questionable if your victims- er, subjects are underage.
 
2014-02-20 02:22:38 PM

ReverendJasen: Did you just quote him saying that those problems are NOT really a factor here and therefore irrelevant, and then go on to school him on the topic as if he said the opposite?


Jigger, in past threads, has been one of those people who desperately try to paint people who are both transgender and transsexual as mentally ill aberrant individuals who deserve to be marginalized.

I'm calling him out over his lack of knowledge on the topic, and his "not even wrong" idea that gender identity is a determination made by sex chromosomes and haploid cell meiosis.
 
2014-02-20 02:27:02 PM

grumpfuff: tinfoil-hat maggie: Fafai: tinfoil-hat maggie: Suck it loser trolls

I'm a loser troll!

/licks lips

Ah you're cute, just seeing what kind of damage I did last night : )

Oh maggie, I do so enjoy watching you go on your rampages.


Ha yaeh, it's fun : )
 
2014-02-20 02:37:29 PM

hardinparamedic: Jigger, in past threads, has been one of those people who desperately try to paint people who are both transgender and transsexual as mentally ill aberrant individuals who deserve to be marginalized.

I'm calling him out over his lack of knowledge on the topic, and his "not even wrong" idea that gender identity is a determination made by sex chromosomes and haploid cell meiosis.


Ok then, the backstory lends some farking missing context. (no thanks to Mr spork, douchnozzle)
No, I fully agree that gender identity is not set by chromosomes, but is dependent at least partially upon other genetic factors.
 
2014-02-20 02:41:39 PM
Trans Glossary

Transvestite = Someone who likes to dress up

Transgender = Someone who is really committed to dressing up

Transsexual = Someone who has modified their nasty bits


/ I am a transorder Perissodactyla
// I'm an ass
/// I  insist you use my made-up pronoun
 
2014-02-20 02:43:48 PM

RastaKins: Trans Glossary

Transvestite = Someone who likes to dress up

Transgender = Someone who is really committed to dressing up

Transsexual = Someone who has modified their nasty bits


/ I am a transorder Perissodactyla
// I'm an ass
/// I  insist you use my made-up pronoun


Well, you have the second to last part right.
 
2014-02-20 02:43:48 PM

hardinparamedic: ReverendJasen: Did you just quote him saying that those problems are NOT really a factor here and therefore irrelevant, and then go on to school him on the topic as if he said the opposite?

Jigger, in past threads, has been one of those people who desperately try to paint people who are both transgender and transsexual as mentally ill aberrant individuals who deserve to be marginalized.

I'm calling him out over his lack of knowledge on the topic, and his "not even wrong" idea that gender identity is a determination made by sex chromosomes and haploid cell meiosis.


His argument is a huge strawman, too. No one is claiming that transgender people have altered their biological sex, except for  anti-transgender people, who simultaneously say (i) they haven't altered their sex and it's immutable, and (ii) oh, yeah, your insurance no longer covers sex-linked preventative medical treatments such as prostate exams or ovarian cancer screenings because you've changed sex.
 
2014-02-20 02:52:38 PM

ReverendJasen: Ok then, the backstory lends some farking missing context. (no thanks to Mr spork, douchnozzle)



The context was right there. You've been reading this thread. By using this amazing technique, I've determined that you're not particularly interested in engaging in significant dialogue.

And once again, I urge you to seek context. Like, for instance, my user profile, Mr Irresponsible Namecaller.
 
2014-02-20 02:59:41 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .


Well, that devolved quickly. If you, Maggie, even had the slightest inkling of my normal posts here on Fark over the past several years, you would realize that it was NOT an attack. Not on you or the LGTBBQ community. Most of my posts are, usually, humorous attempts with no real substance and can easily be ignored. On occasion, I do give relevant commentary on the subject at hand. On those occasions you will ALWAYS see me post in support of EQUALITY for gays, for women, etc. (despite being a white hetero male (although I do have a gay cousin that lives in CA with her partner)) unless they're playing the 'Victim Card' or 'Attention Whore Card' from a self created situation.

So take whatever imagined problems that you have and your faux outrage and go spank your inner child, do recreational drugs, or whatever it is you need to work through whatever bug is currently up your ass. You would also be best served to ignore future posts by me or simply place me on ignore. As for me, since you come off like one of those militant former smoker types, I shall farkie you as 'LGTBBQ Loonie' and place you in light grey with the rest of the annoyances.

Good day and I hope you resolve your issues.
 
2014-02-20 03:04:33 PM
I'm curious anyone here that identifies as straight willing to date or have sex with a MTF transgendered person?
 
2014-02-20 03:05:44 PM

DigitalCoffee: Well, that devolved quickly


Just to politely point out, you made a statement equivalent to asking "where do black people hide their tails" and then when called out on it respond with "I have lots of black friends."

You earned the smackdown, an apology is in order from you, not Maggie.
 
2014-02-20 03:06:22 PM

DigitalCoffee: Well, that devolved quickly. If you, Maggie, even had the slightest inkling of my normal posts here on Fark over the past several years, you would realize that it was NOT an attack. Not on you or the LGTBBQ community. Most of my posts are, usually, humorous attempts with no real substance and can easily be ignored. On occasion, I do give relevant commentary on the subject at hand.


Since this clearly wasn't "relevant commentary", then it must have been one of those "humorous attempts with no real substance", right? And apparently it fell flat, maybe because there wasn't much context, or because your dry wit or sarcasm didn't come through in the comment. And someone took that comment as a slur, which, objectively, it certainly could be, if said with mean intent, no?

But yet, rather than being reasonable and apologizing for a shiatty joke with no ill intent that simply wasn't well received, you're getting mad at the people who were insulted? Who are you, Michael Richards?
 
2014-02-20 03:06:47 PM

insertsnarkyusername: I'm curious anyone here that identifies as straight willing to date or have sex with a MTF transgendered person?


Depends on several factors, none of which are her being MTF.
 
2014-02-20 03:09:24 PM

runcible spork: Like, for instance, my user profile, Mr Irresponsible Namecaller.


Sorry, Miss Douchettenozzle. ;)   I almost never look at peoples' profiles, mainly because I have no reason to know any details about you or care.  Which in turn, will certainly lead back to an affirmation about a lack of interest in significant dialogue.  This is a silly internet message board.  Anything approaching significant, important, or life-changing dialog is not to be found here.  As evidenced by 95% of the posts in any given thread, especially trollbait threads like this one.

Maybe I'm just cynical in my old age, having been interacting with assholes online since the 80s, but some people take this shiat way too serious.
 
2014-02-20 03:21:35 PM

Boojum2k: DigitalCoffee: Well, that devolved quickly

Just to politely point out, you made a statement equivalent to asking "where do black people hide their tails" and then when called out on it respond with "I have lots of black friends."

You earned the smackdown, an apology is in order from you, not Maggie.


Wasn't he just quoting "Life of Brian?"  Isn't that something Fark always does, quote Monty Python at the slightest provocation?  I mean, it IS Fark.  Making off color jokes and references to various movies in geek culture is just kind of our thing, even if the joke is the complete opposite of what we feel.  See also: my joke about bisexuals being greedy and/or lazy.
 
2014-02-20 03:23:19 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: you're cute


squeeeeeeee! I'm a big fan of yours. Groupie, if you will.

grumpfuff: Oh maggie, I do so enjoy watching you go on your rampages.


maggie puts the 'fun' in 'functional alcoholism.'
.'
 
2014-02-20 03:26:39 PM

DigitalCoffee: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

Well, that devolved quickly. If you, Maggie, even had the slightest inkling of my normal posts here on Fark over the past several years, you would realize that it was NOT an attack. Not on you or the LGTBBQ community. Most of my posts are, usually, humorous attempts with no real substance and can easily be ignored. On occasion, I do give relevant commentary on the subject at hand. On those occasions you will ALWAYS see me post in support of EQUALITY for gays, for women, etc. (despite being a white hetero male (although I do have a gay cousin that lives in CA with her partner)) unless they're playing the 'Victim Card' or 'Attention Whore Card' from a self created situation.

So take whatever imagined problems that you have and your faux outrage and go spank your inner child, do recreational drugs, or whatever it is you need to work through whatever bug is currently up your ass. You would also be best served to ignore future posts by me or simply place me on ignore. As for me, since you come off like one of those militant former smoker types, I shall farkie you as 'LGTBBQ Loonie' and place you in light grey with the rest of the annoyances.

Good day and I hope you resolve your issues.


You made the fark equivalent of a white guy going in a black comedy club and asking "What's the deal with you spooks, anyway?", and can't fathom why someone who is quite often attacked and persecuted - not just in real life - would find you offensive?

You kinda earned that ire there. Even sarcastically, that was a low blow - and the best thing you can do is nod, admit it, and enjoy the sunshine of another day.
 
2014-02-20 03:28:35 PM

Shadowknight: Wasn't he just quoting "Life of Brian?"


Quotation marks would have been helpful. I like Monty Python as much as the next Farker, but I don't have the whole movie memorized. That's reserved for Holy Grail.
 
2014-02-20 03:31:14 PM

Theaetetus: Since this clearly wasn't "relevant commentary", then it must have been one of those "humorous attempts with no real substance", right? And apparently it fell flat, maybe because there wasn't much context, or because your dry wit or sarcasm didn't come through in the comment. And someone took that comment as a slur, which, objectively, it certainly could be, if said with mean intent, no?

But yet, rather than being reasonable and apologizing for a shiatty joke with no ill intent that simply wasn't well received, you're getting mad at the people who were insulted? Who are you, Michael Richards?


He was quoting Monty Python.  I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that a joke was meant, not to offend, but just to reference a pretty famous movie.  Especially among Farkers.
 
2014-02-20 03:32:16 PM

Boojum2k: Shadowknight: Wasn't he just quoting "Life of Brian?"

Quotation marks would have been helpful. I like Monty Python as much as the next Farker, but I don't have the whole movie memorized. That's reserved for Holy Grail.


Here's the scene in question.  Different time and all that, but I still think it carries the same funny today.
 
2014-02-20 03:33:31 PM

Shadowknight: He was quoting Monty Python.  I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that a joke was meant, not to offend, but just to reference a pretty famous movie.  Especially among Farkers.


Poe's Law.
 
2014-02-20 03:35:59 PM

Shadowknight: He was quoting Monty Python.  I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that a joke was meant, not to offend, but just to reference a pretty famous movie.  Especially among Farkers.


This:

Boojum2k: Quotation marks would have been helpful. I like Monty Python as much as the next Farker, but I don't have the whole movie memorized. That's reserved for Holy Grail.


and this:

hardinparamedic: Poe's Law.


and therefore this:

Theaetetus: But yet, rather than being reasonable and apologizing for a shiatty joke with no ill intent that simply wasn't well received, you're getting mad at the people who were insulted? Who are you, Michael Richards?

 
2014-02-20 03:36:02 PM

hardinparamedic: You made the fark equivalent of a white guy going in a black comedy club and asking "What's the deal with you spooks, anyway?", and can't fathom why someone who is quite often attacked and persecuted - not just in real life - would find you offensive?


I think that is the very definition of false equivalence.  Didn't drop any slurs, or direct it at any particular person, or just make it up on the spot.  He quoted a movie from Monty Python.  You've been around Fark long enough to know that nothing is obscure or sacred, and if everyone wasn't so intent to stay on their soap box they'd probably have seen that and, at worst, ignored it as the non sequitur it was meant as.
 
2014-02-20 03:36:58 PM

ReverendJasen: runcible spork: Like, for instance, my user profile, Mr Irresponsible Namecaller.

Sorry, Miss Douchettenozzle. ;)   I almost never look at peoples' profiles, mainly because I have no reason to know any details about you or care.  Which in turn, will certainly lead back to an affirmation about a lack of interest in significant dialogue.  This is a silly internet message board.  Anything approaching significant, important, or life-changing dialog is not to be found here.  As evidenced by 95% of the posts in any given thread, especially trollbait threads like this one.

Maybe I'm just cynical in my old age, having been interacting with assholes online since the 80s, but some people take this shiat way too serious.



So why are you here?

/ thanks for the apology
// but I see you still have a name-calling issue
 
2014-02-20 03:39:48 PM

Shadowknight: See also: my joke about bisexuals being greedy and/or lazy.


We saw it already. I believe this is the third time now. I wish you would stop persecuting me. That was a 'opposite of what I feel' joke, btw. I mean that third sentence I typed. That was the joke.

But I hear you trying to defend someone who could possibly have just chosen a poor venue for just quoting things randomly in an attempt at humour (we've been doing it with Ghostbusters in here). But if, when called out on it, DigitalCoffee can't see or care how it could be hurtful to those who don't get the reference then it's probably not just exclusively poor timing and there's likely some measure of some form of malevolence at play, even if the culprit doesn't realize it themselves.

And then everyone absolutely jumps all over them and some people say the thicker you layer it on the better because it highlights this bad behaviour to others and the strong reaction forces the subject to consider their words and possibly learn and change for the better. Others, however, think that shaming people for bigotry too loudly and with too much enthusiasm only makes GLBT look like nutjobs and ultimately slows or damages the movement.

I'm not sure which has more truth to it, I've seen both happen, but I prefer when people go all out with their anti-bigotry because it is more hilarious that way. The more jumping to conclusions and general breakdown of back and forth communication, the better.
 
2014-02-20 03:40:08 PM

spiritplumber: Quick PC-Britishism explanation: "Girl who lived as a boy" means "MTF, but we're being proper, and recognizing that she's a girl with a birth defect rather than a boy with identity issues".


That's not 'PC-Britishism', that's called 'accurate descriptions'. Seriously, being accurate\polite is not 'PC'.
 
2014-02-20 03:40:56 PM
Theaetetus:

So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question?  I mean, in ordinary circles or at a dinner party, that wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that someone was being a dick.  Just blurting that out to a bunch of people that aren't likely in on the joke would be uncalled for.

But this is Fark.  Just in the last 24 hours I've seen quoted references to the 1927 Metropolis movie, the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, and two quotes from Optimus Prime.  If Monty Python is too obscure, things have gone crooked somewhere.
 
2014-02-20 03:44:04 PM

Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because


after being called out on it, his responses isn't "damn, sorry, that was a quote from Life of Brian" it was to act like he was somehow the offended party, and to play the equivalent "but I've got n-word privileges!" card..

In a nutshell.
 
2014-02-20 03:44:22 PM

Shadowknight: Boojum2k: DigitalCoffee: Well, that devolved quickly

Just to politely point out, you made a statement equivalent to asking "where do black people hide their tails" and then when called out on it respond with "I have lots of black friends."

You earned the smackdown, an apology is in order from you, not Maggie.

Wasn't he just quoting "Life of Brian?"  Isn't that something Fark always does, quote Monty Python at the slightest provocation?  I mean, it IS Fark.  Making off color jokes and references to various movies in geek culture is just kind of our thing, even if the joke is the complete opposite of what we feel.  See also: my joke about bisexuals being greedy and/or lazy.


Yes, it was a quote from Life of Brian. Someone else also pointed this out upthread with a youtube link to the scene. There are those that can find humor in almost anything until you touch their pet subject. Then it's Muslim Cleric Moral Outrage taken to eleven. Whatever, those that want to be outraged will always find a reason.
 
2014-02-20 03:45:19 PM

Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question made a joke that failed and apparently unintentionally insulted someone, and if he's a good person who intended no offense, then he should simply apologize and explain that it was a movie quote, which would fix any hurt feelings, rather than going off on a three paragraph rant about how he's the reaaaal victim here?


FTFY. And yes, I think that's reasonable. Whenever I make a joke that flops and someone looks insulted, I apologize. Then we have cookies. Everyone likes cookies.
 
2014-02-20 03:50:56 PM

DigitalCoffee: Yes, it was a quote from Life of Brian.


And Maggie didn't get it, and was insulted, because without the context provided, it's exactly like the same insults the transphobic trolls like to sling in these threads.
The correct response was "damn, sorry, that was a quote from Life of Brian, I wasn't attacking just trying to be funny" not your defensive posturing.
 
2014-02-20 03:51:12 PM

Theaetetus: Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question made a joke that failed and apparently unintentionally insulted someone, and if he's a good person who intended no offense, then he should simply apologize and explain that it was a movie quote, which would fix any hurt feelings, rather than going off on a three paragraph rant about how he's the reaaaal victim here?

FTFY. And yes, I think that's reasonable. Whenever I make a joke that flops and someone looks insulted, I apologize. Then we have cookies. Everyone likes cookies.



Fark you! I hate cookies. OK that was a lie. Sorry. Have a Thin Mint?
 
2014-02-20 03:51:55 PM
It's, uhm, wafer-thin?
 
2014-02-20 03:52:09 PM

runcible spork: Have a Thin Mint?


Yes, but their downstairs and I won't share. Because I'm greedy and lazy like that.
 
2014-02-20 03:52:46 PM

Boojum2k: their


they're.
 
2014-02-20 03:52:54 PM
Oh crap, now I've insulted anorexic cookies.
 
2014-02-20 03:53:02 PM

Shadowknight: Theaetetus:

So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question?  I mean, in ordinary circles or at a dinner party, that wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that someone was being a dick.  Just blurting that out to a bunch of people that aren't likely in on the joke would be uncalled for.

But this is Fark.  Just in the last 24 hours I've seen quoted references to the 1927 Metropolis movie, the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, and two quotes from Optimus Prime.  If Monty Python is too obscure, things have gone crooked somewhere.


Fine whatever sure it's the height of wit to post Admiral Akbar in every trans thread,sure it's a man baby is funny, haha I know Monty Python, still I'm fed up with the bs.
 
2014-02-20 03:54:40 PM

Boojum2k: Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because

after being called out on it, his responses isn't "damn, sorry, that was a quote from Life of Brian" it was to act like he was somehow the offended party, and to play the equivalent "but I've got n-word privileges!" card..

In a nutshell.


While I can see that, and understand it to a point, he wasn't here for the entire thread.  He posted at the begining, and presumably went off to work or something, unlike us slackers.  Most people here took turns using his post like a virtual pinata.  He came back to see 250 posts condemning him as a bigot.

He could have covered it better, but I also get why he responded the way he did.  Much like I can understand why people that didn't recognize the quote would react the way they did.  I'm saying that the fail was going both ways.

/much like some of the posters in this thread
//*sad trombone noise*
 
2014-02-20 03:56:31 PM

Shadowknight: Theaetetus:

So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question?  I mean, in ordinary circles or at a dinner party, that wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that someone was being a dick.  Just blurting that out to a bunch of people that aren't likely in on the joke would be uncalled for.

But this is Fark.  Just in the last 24 hours I've seen quoted references to the 1927 Metropolis movie, the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, and two quotes from Optimus Prime.  If Monty Python is too obscure, things have gone crooked somewhere.


Movie quotes don't exist in a vaccuum. They're a form of communication all to themselves. Regarding the Ghostbusters in this thread, I believe Epic Fap Guy started it off with the 'mass hysteria' line, which was actually his opinion regarding the activity in this thread. It's not fully random.

TFA or at least the headline made DigitalCoffee automatically think of that provocative fetus-in-a-box quote instead of something more endearing like say the song Lola by The Kinks or My Vagina by NOFX or something like that. And then like Theaetetus said (thanks a lot, btw, for making me agree with that thing) there was no remorse about it. When people put their foot in their mouths they usually get embarrassed about it. So I don't believe quoting that post was completely 100% innocent, no. It's up to DigitalCoffee to dissect it any further than that.
 
2014-02-20 03:56:52 PM

Fafai: And then everyone absolutely jumps all over them and some people say the thicker you layer it on the better


I thought this statement was going to wind up in a whole different place. . .
 
2014-02-20 03:57:24 PM

Shadowknight: Boojum2k: Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because

after being called out on it, his responses isn't "damn, sorry, that was a quote from Life of Brian" it was to act like he was somehow the offended party, and to play the equivalent "but I've got n-word privileges!" card..

In a nutshell.

While I can see that, and understand it to a point, he wasn't here for the entire thread.  He posted at the begining, and presumably went off to work or something, unlike us slackers.  Most people here took turns using his post like a virtual pinata.  He came back to see 250 posts condemning him as a bigot.

He could have covered it better, but I also get why he responded the way he did.  Much like I can understand why people that didn't recognize the quote would react the way they did.  I'm saying that the fail was going both ways.


Yes, people who get insulted by poorly presented jokes are just as bad as people who make poorly presented jokes. Why, really, Maggie should be the one apologizing to him!

ಠ_ಠ
 
2014-02-20 03:57:41 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Fine whatever sure it's the height of wit to post Admiral Akbar in every trans thread,sure it's a man baby is funny, haha I know Monty Python, still I'm fed up with the bs.


Fed up, I can understand.  But humor can be therapeutic, and it can also just be for humors' own sake.

If you're attacking those that actually support you for imagined transgressions, the road to acceptance is going to be a lot rougher than it already is.
 
2014-02-20 03:59:23 PM

Shadowknight: If you're attacking those that actually support you for imagined transgressions, the road to acceptance is going to be a lot rougher than it already is.


If those that actually support you are making comments that are indistinguishable from imagined transgressions, and then demanding apologies when you get upset, are they  actually supporting you?

I.e., with friends like these, who needs enemies?
 
2014-02-20 03:59:24 PM

Boojum2k: Fafai: And then everyone absolutely jumps all over them and some people say the thicker you layer it on the better

I thought this statement was going to wind up in a whole different place. . .


I like you.
 
2014-02-20 03:59:52 PM

Shadowknight: If you're attacking those that actually support you


I have yet to see any evidence of that in Digital Coffee's case. His responses seem more like concern troll than genuine supporter. "I posted an insulting offensive quote, and when it offends someone, they're wrong for being offended and maybe I shouldn't support these people."
 
2014-02-20 04:01:00 PM

Fafai: TFA or at least the headline made DigitalCoffee automatically think of that provocative fetus-in-a-box quote instead of something more endearing like say the song Lola by The Kinks or My Vagina by NOFX or something like that.


See, I've never heard of either of those things.  If you had made either reference, I would have had absolutely no context of what you were talking about either.  I wouldn't have given me the right to go off on a screed over it, though.

Maybe Digital Coffee would have been better off to just post the link with the quote, instead of assuming people knew what he was talking about.  But maybe a two-minute-hate: minority edition wasn't the way to respond.
 
2014-02-20 04:01:48 PM

Fafai: I like you.


Thanks, same to you!
 
2014-02-20 04:02:24 PM

Shadowknight: See, I've never heard of either of those things.


You haven't heard Lola? How young ARE you?
 
2014-02-20 04:02:41 PM

Shadowknight: tinfoil-hat maggie: Fine whatever sure it's the height of wit to post Admiral Akbar in every trans thread,sure it's a man baby is funny, haha I know Monty Python, still I'm fed up with the bs.

Fed up, I can understand.  But humor can be therapeutic, and it can also just be for humors' own sake.

If you're attacking those that actually support you for imagined transgressions, the road to acceptance is going to be a lot rougher than it already is.


Lolz
 
2014-02-20 04:03:18 PM

Theaetetus: Yes, people who get insulted by poorly presented jokes are just as bad as people who make poorly presented jokes. Why, really, Maggie should be the one apologizing to him!

ಠ_ಠ


You are being purposefully obtuse.  I'm not saying that.  What I am saying is that people are taking posts made on the internet via a site that prides itself on being irreverent and slightly mean at times.  THIS IS WHAT WE DO.  

Well, at least outside of the politics tab...
 
2014-02-20 04:06:44 PM

Boojum2k: Shadowknight: If you're attacking those that actually support you

I have yet to see any evidence of that in Digital Coffee's case. His responses seem more like concern troll than genuine supporter. "I posted an insulting offensive quote, and when it offends someone, they're wrong for being offended and maybe I shouldn't support these people."


Ok, true enough.  But he is also pissed off for being called a bigot and may be just being stubborn about owning up to his own side of the fark up.  read:  Not posting the clip for context and assuming that the quote would be known.

Doesn't excuse it, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.  I've seen him post before on various threads and he's never expressed any misogynistic, homophobic, or any other derogatory views that I've seen.  Thus, my giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Didn't we just talk about taking thing in context?
 
2014-02-20 04:07:52 PM

Boojum2k: You haven't heard Lola? How young ARE you?


33.  Just grew up in a rural area and had limited access and interest in music.
 
2014-02-20 04:08:17 PM

Theaetetus: Shadowknight: So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question made a joke that failed and apparently unintentionally insulted someone, and if he's a good person who intended no offense, then he should simply apologize and explain that it was a movie quote, which would fix any hurt feelings, rather than going off on a three paragraph rant about how he's the reaaaal victim here?

FTFY. And yes, I think that's reasonable. Whenever I make a joke that flops and someone looks insulted, I apologize. Then we have cookies. Everyone likes cookies.


Seriously, just say sorry instead of being such an asshat. How farking hard is it.
 
2014-02-20 04:09:08 PM

Shadowknight: Theaetetus: Yes, people who get insulted by poorly presented jokes are just as bad as people who make poorly presented jokes. Why, really, Maggie should be the one apologizing to him!

ಠ_ಠ

You are being purposefully obtuse.  I'm not saying that.  What I am saying is that people are taking posts made on the internet via a site that prides itself on being irreverent and slightly mean at times.  THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
Well, at least outside of the politics tab...


No he's not what you said sounded like if sit quietly on the back of the bus I'll be accepted. I don't need your acceptance doll.
 
2014-02-20 04:10:15 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Shadowknight: tinfoil-hat maggie: Fine whatever sure it's the height of wit to post Admiral Akbar in every trans thread,sure it's a man baby is funny, haha I know Monty Python, still I'm fed up with the bs.

Fed up, I can understand.  But humor can be therapeutic, and it can also just be for humors' own sake.

If you're attacking those that actually support you for imagined transgressions, the road to acceptance is going to be a lot rougher than it already is.

Lolz


Believe what you want, I guess.  I guess it feels good to be on the side of righteous indignation.  I've been there myself.  Rarely accomplishes anything, though.  So have fun with that.
 
2014-02-20 04:11:50 PM

Shadowknight: Boojum2k: You haven't heard Lola? How young ARE you?

33.  Just grew up in a rural area and had limited access and interest in music.

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=gaMS_5i0Bbs

Enjoy! It's a great song.
 
2014-02-20 04:14:27 PM

Shadowknight: He came back to see 250 posts condemning him as a bigot.


Shadowknight: maybe a two-minute-hate: minority edition wasn't the way to respond


This is what I meant by hilarious. It's all very entertaining. But the thing is, you're care-posting about this guy too, while complaining about essentially the same thing. The trick is to not care about anything at all. Only then can you shout THIS IS WHAT WE DO without being a hypocrite, but of course if you've reached that point then you wouldn't care enough to shout it in caps).
 
2014-02-20 04:18:51 PM
Pic in the article kind of looks like the Amish hottie in Banshee.
 
2014-02-20 04:21:06 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: No he's not what you said sounded like if sit quietly on the back of the bus I'll be accepted. I don't need your acceptance doll.


That isn't what I said at all, and you know it.  I'm saying that maybe, just this once, you overreacted to a joke that he wrongfully assumed that everyone would get.  Given his response, maybe not I'll grant you, but you thumped on him plenty already before he ever even came back in this thread.

I never said to sit quietly and WAIT to be accepted.  I'm saying that, in context of this site being what it is, maybe the cyber-shaming wasn't warranted.  

As far as "my acceptance" goes, hey, you already have it.  I don't care what you do with your genitalia.  I am happy for you, as are my trans friends (who admittedly weren't out as trans when I met them, but that's here nor there).  But I think it's pretty obvious that yes, you do want acceptance.  Outside of humans being social animals that of course want to be accepted into the group dynamic, if you truly didn't need others' acceptance you wouldn't be in this thread, screaming to the heavens for someone to "suck your dick" over a movie quote.  You wouldn't be proudly proclaiming that you have sent out multiple BIEs with no one realizing you were trans.  

You obviously want acceptance, even if not on an individual basis, or you wouldn't be here.  And that's fine, and expected.  And I also can't blame you for your anger, and wouldn't presume as a straight, white male to even begin to try to take that away from you.  The world sucks for people with your circumstances.  I'm just saying that misplaced anger and pessimism just keeps you angry, and doesn't fix anything.  All it does is drive people away.
 
2014-02-20 04:21:56 PM

Shadowknight: Theaetetus: Yes, people who get insulted by poorly presented jokes are just as bad as people who make poorly presented jokes. Why, really, Maggie should be the one apologizing to him!

ಠ_ಠ

You are being purposefully obtuse.  I'm not saying that.  What I am saying is that people are taking posts made on the internet via a site that prides itself on being irreverent and slightly mean at times.  THIS IS WHAT WE DO.


Not at all. You said that there was "fail on both sides". I don't see how getting insulted by a comment that is insulting  if taken out of context is a fail  when there's no context provided. And by presenting the "both sides are bad, so can't we all just get along" argument, you're minimizing the feelings of the injured party.
 
2014-02-20 04:22:11 PM

Boojum2k: http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=gaMS_5i0Bbs

Enjoy! It's a great song.


Alright, I know that song.  I just never listened to the lyrics before.  I'm a philistine when it comes to music.
 
2014-02-20 04:22:13 PM

insertsnarkyusername: I'm curious anyone here that identifies as straight willing to date or have sex with a MTF transgendered person?


I don't have a problem with that conceptually.
Frankly, the only person that I have ever met and interacted with that I know for a fact* was post operative Male-to-female.
I knew her briefly as a man.   She wasn't an attractive man, and sadly she made (to my eyes) an even less attractive female.  So that any desire to date her was very much off the table.  But that wasn't related to her being transgendered.

// * I am notoriously oblivious to this kind of thing.   So I might have known others but just not realised it.
// My gaydar, for example, only kicks in for Richard Simmons level flaming.
 
2014-02-20 04:23:31 PM

Shadowknight: tinfoil-hat maggie: No he's not what you said sounded like if sit quietly on the back of the bus I'll be accepted. I don't need your acceptance doll.

That isn't what I said at all, and you know it.  I'm saying that maybe, just this once, you overreacted to a joke that he wrongfully assumed that everyone would get.  Given his response, maybe not I'll grant you, but you thumped on him plenty already before he ever even came back in this thread.

I never said to sit quietly and WAIT to be accepted.  I'm saying that, in context of this site being what it is, maybe the cyber-shaming wasn't warranted.  

As far as "my acceptance" goes, hey, you already have it.  I don't care what you do with your genitalia.  I am happy for you, as are my trans friends (who admittedly weren't out as trans when I met them, but that's here nor there).  But I think it's pretty obvious that yes, you do want acceptance.  Outside of humans being social animals that of course want to be accepted into the group dynamic, if you truly didn't need others' acceptance you wouldn't be in this thread, screaming to the heavens for someone to "suck your dick" over a movie quote.  You wouldn't be proudly proclaiming that you have sent out multiple BIEs with no one realizing you were trans.  

You obviously want acceptance, even if not on an individual basis, or you wouldn't be here.  And that's fine, and expected.  And I also can't blame you for your anger, and wouldn't presume as a straight, white male to even begin to try to take that away from you.  The world sucks for people with your circumstances.  I'm just saying that misplaced anger and pessimism just keeps you angry, and doesn't fix anything.  All it does is drive people away.


The lady doth protest too much methinks..


/seriously, you could have said "sorry" and moved on, no harm no foul
//had nothing against you at first
///your continual "I DID NOTHING WRONG!" got a bit tiresome
 
2014-02-20 04:26:18 PM

Shadowknight: I'm just saying that misplaced anger and pessimism just keeps you angry, and doesn't fix anything.  All it does is drive people away.


You mean like ranting about how your joke was poorly received and therefore you're the real victim? ;)
 
2014-02-20 04:27:12 PM

grumpfuff: /seriously, you could have said "sorry" and moved on, no harm no foul
//had nothing against you at first
///your continual "I DID NOTHING WRONG!" got a bit tiresome


(although it should be noted that Shadowknight is not DigitalCoffee)
 
2014-02-20 04:28:12 PM

Theaetetus: grumpfuff: /seriously, you could have said "sorry" and moved on, no harm no foul
//had nothing against you at first
///your continual "I DID NOTHING WRONG!" got a bit tiresome

(although it should be noted that Shadowknight is not DigitalCoffee)


(meant both of them, should have been more specific)
 
2014-02-20 04:28:12 PM

Theaetetus: Not at all. You said that there was "fail on both sides". I don't see how getting insulted by a comment that is insulting  if taken out of context is a fail  when there's no context provided. And by presenting the "both sides are bad, so can't we all just get along" argument, you're minimizing the feelings of the injured party.


I'm saying that while his initial post was probably better in context, long before he came back with his own angry "How dare you!" rant, you guys were throwing his quote through the grinder.  Even after people corrected for him, and told you it was a movie quote from one of Fark's most beloved institutions, the slinging continued.  

You burned him in effigy over an attempt, failed as it may be, at a joke.  His response was just as uncouth, but it doesn't excuse what came before.  

But, I can see you are entrenched in your position and won't be swayed.  In fact, you're probably just as happy to toss me on the digital pyre.  Whatever makes you feel righteous.
 
2014-02-20 04:29:41 PM

grumpfuff: The lady doth protest too much methinks..


/seriously, you could have said "sorry" and moved on, no harm no foul
//had nothing against you at first
///your continual "I DID NOTHING WRONG!" got a bit tiresome


I'm not him.  DigitalCoffee made the original post.  And I am saying that he did wrong by not posting a link and leaving the quote out of context, AND coming back and angrily firing back instead of simply explaining himself.
 
2014-02-20 04:30:08 PM

VladTheEmailer: insertsnarkyusername: I'm curious anyone here that identifies as straight willing to date or have sex with a MTF transgendered person?

I don't have a problem with that conceptually.
Frankly, the only person that I have ever met and interacted with that I know for a fact* was post operative Male-to-female.
I knew her briefly as a man.   She wasn't an attractive man, and sadly she made (to my eyes) an even less attractive female.  So that any desire to date her was very much off the table.  But that wasn't related to her being transgendered.

// * I am notoriously oblivious to this kind of thing.   So I might have known others but just not realised it.
// My gaydar, for example, only kicks in for Richard Simmons level flaming.


I personally think that the question you're responding to is a rather loaded one. Ignoring the fact that sexual orientation gets downright complicated and off the Kinsey scale when dealing with someone who is TG or TS, pretty much no answer you give to that is going to satisfy the goal of the question.

Even if someone who identified as straight said "Sure, why not!", the person who asked it could retort back "You're not really straight, then!" as a way to deflect the answer.

/has dated a TG girl before. Right after high school.
//She was cute. Sad she moved away because of the bigotry she got.
 
2014-02-20 04:30:39 PM

Shadowknight: You burned him in effigy over an attempt, failed as it may be, at a joke


welcometofark.jpg
 
2014-02-20 04:31:26 PM

Theaetetus: You mean like ranting about how your joke was poorly received and therefore you're the real victim? ;)


Pretty much, yeah.  He should have came, explained himself and how he didn't mean to offend.  Only did his angry post if people persisted in just angrily railing him for an accidental slight.  

I never said he was innocent.  Well, accidentally guilty to start, and uncivil in response I guess.
 
2014-02-20 04:32:37 PM

Shadowknight: Boojum2k: http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=gaMS_5i0Bbs

Enjoy! It's a great song.

Alright, I know that song.   I just never listened to the lyrics before.  I'm a philistine when it comes to music.


I dedicate 2:09-2:25 to tinfoil-hat maggie.
 
2014-02-20 04:32:55 PM

Boojum2k: Shadowknight: You burned him in effigy over an attempt, failed as it may be, at a joke

welcometofark.jpg


And you don't see the irony in that?
 
2014-02-20 04:33:01 PM

Shadowknight: grumpfuff: The lady doth protest too much methinks..


/seriously, you could have said "sorry" and moved on, no harm no foul
//had nothing against you at first
///your continual "I DID NOTHING WRONG!" got a bit tiresome

I'm not him.  DigitalCoffee made the original post.  And I am saying that he did wrong by not posting a link and leaving the quote out of context, AND coming back and angrily firing back instead of simply explaining himself.


Your white knighting is why I take issue with you. Like I said to Thae, I should have been a bit clear in my original post, and I apologize for that.
 
2014-02-20 04:34:12 PM

Shadowknight: And you don't see the irony in that?


Why do you think I posted that? Doesn't mean he deserved his roasting any less.
 
2014-02-20 04:34:23 PM

Fafai: Shadowknight: Boojum2k: http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=gaMS_5i0Bbs

Enjoy! It's a great song.

Alright, I know that song.   I just never listened to the lyrics before.  I'm a philistine when it comes to music.

I dedicate 2:09-2:25 to tinfoil-hat maggie.


Yeah, you know how some people just listen to the song, and sing along to the hook?  Never take much deeper meaning?  That was me up until a couple years ago.  I'm getting better and more picky about what I listen to in my old age, but I have some catching up to do.
 
2014-02-20 04:37:40 PM

Shadowknight: Fafai: Shadowknight: Boojum2k: http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=gaMS_5i0Bbs

Enjoy! It's a great song.

Alright, I know that song.   I just never listened to the lyrics before.  I'm a philistine when it comes to music.

I dedicate 2:09-2:25 to tinfoil-hat maggie.

Yeah, you know how some people just listen to the song, and sing along to the hook?  Never take much deeper meaning?  That was me up until a couple years ago.  I'm getting better and more picky about what I listen to in my old age, but I have some catching up to do.


You should check out Lady Gaga.
 
2014-02-20 04:37:50 PM
grumpfuff: Your white knighting is why I take issue with you. Like I said to Thae, I should have been a bit clear in my original post, and I apologize for that.

Fark I hate that phrase.  "How dare you not support this anger 100%!  You must burn like the rest of them!"  I'm not on his side any more than I'm on yours.

He screwed up slightly, you guys made it worse, and he delivered the coup de gras to any chance of civil decorum.  I'm just trying to point out how you all are running around naked in the dark and poking at each other with sticks, trying to get an eye for an eye.
 
2014-02-20 04:38:04 PM

VladTheEmailer: insertsnarkyusername: I'm curious anyone here that identifies as straight willing to date or have sex with a MTF transgendered person?

I don't have a problem with that conceptually.
Frankly, the only person that I have ever met and interacted with that I know for a fact* was post operative Male-to-female.
I knew her briefly as a man.   She wasn't an attractive man, and sadly she made (to my eyes) an even less attractive female.  So that any desire to date her was very much off the table.  But that wasn't related to her being transgendered.

// * I am notoriously oblivious to this kind of thing.   So I might have known others but just not realised it.
// My gaydar, for example, only kicks in for Richard Simmons level flaming.


Interesting, I don't think I could personally. The reason I asked this question is a friend of mine recently announced they wanted a change of pronouns(FTM). I obviously support him, but I am a bit worried he will end up disappointed because he wants a straight woman as a partner. This of course led to discussion among our wider group of friends and the question was asked to straight men and women, gay men, lesbians and bisexuals. Basically only the bisexual or pansexual people gave a strong yes answer.

/This conversation took place at a bar with a ten foot tall rainbow flag covering one wall. So we had a good mix of people jumping into the conversation that night when we were discussing it.
 
2014-02-20 04:38:07 PM
"THE SPARTOI (or Sparti) were a race of warlike, earth-born warriors, which sprang fully grown, armed and ready for battle from the sown teeth of a Drakon sacred to the war-god Ares. Two batches of Spartoi were sown. The first were those of Thebes, sown by the hero Kadmos from the teeth of the sacred Drakon of the spring of Ismene. He cast a stone among them as they were emerging from the earth and they fell to fighting. Only five survived the battle, who joined Kadmos in the founding of the city of Thebes. The second batch was sown by Iason (or Jason) in the fields of Kolkhis on the Black Sea. The task was demanded of him by King Aeëtes, from whom he and the Argonauts had come to fetch the Golden Fleece. Like Kadmos he threw a stone among these earth-born warriors and they fell to fighting."

(source)
 
2014-02-20 04:39:29 PM

Fafai: Shadowknight: Boojum2k: http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=gaMS_5i0Bbs

Enjoy! It's a great song.

Alright, I know that song.   I just never listened to the lyrics before.  I'm a philistine when it comes to music.

I dedicate 2:09-2:25 to tinfoil-hat maggie.


Heh : )
 
2014-02-20 04:40:01 PM

Shadowknight: He screwed up slightly, you guys made it worse, and he delivered the coup de gras to any chance of civil decorum. I'm just trying to point out how you all are running around naked in the dark and poking at each other with sticks, trying to get an eye for an eye.


If you don't learn to enjoy the hilarity of it you will really hate it in threads like this. Just relax and take it.
 
2014-02-20 04:40:26 PM

Shadowknight: Even after people corrected for him, and told you it was a movie quote from one of Fark's most beloved institutions, the slinging continued.

 

Au contraire... As I said above, I called him out specifically for making a crappy joke and then getting angry at the people who didn't get it. That has nothing to do with whether it's a movie quote or not.

You burned him in effigy over an attempt, failed as it may be, at a joke.  His response was just as uncouth, but it doesn't excuse what came before.

Nope, I burned him in effigy solely for his response. Scroll back. With his initial joke, I also didn't get the context, and thought he was just a troll worthy of ignoring. It was only once he returned and acted like a dick instead of properly apologizing that I got involved.

But, I can see you are entrenched in your position and won't be swayed.  In fact, you're probably just as happy to toss me on the digital pyre.  Whatever makes you feel righteous.

I'm only tossing  you on the digital pyre for your criticism of Maggie's understandable response and equivocation of "insulting joke" and "getting insulted" as being equally bad.
 
2014-02-20 04:40:39 PM

Fafai: You should check out Lady Gaga.


Ha, no.  I have liked things she's done before she took on the persona, and I can't really blame her for doing so as its made her obscenely wealthy, but I don't care for the dancy-poppy club crap.  Even if there is a message buried under the layers of synthesized music and meat dresses.
 
2014-02-20 04:41:49 PM

hardinparamedic: VladTheEmailer: insertsnarkyusername: I'm curious anyone here that identifies as straight willing to date or have sex with a MTF transgendered person?

I don't have a problem with that conceptually.
Frankly, the only person that I have ever met and interacted with that I know for a fact* was post operative Male-to-female.
I knew her briefly as a man.   She wasn't an attractive man, and sadly she made (to my eyes) an even less attractive female.  So that any desire to date her was very much off the table.  But that wasn't related to her being transgendered.

// * I am notoriously oblivious to this kind of thing.   So I might have known others but just not realised it.
// My gaydar, for example, only kicks in for Richard Simmons level flaming.

I personally think that the question you're responding to is a rather loaded one. Ignoring the fact that sexual orientation gets downright complicated and off the Kinsey scale when dealing with someone who is TG or TS, pretty much no answer you give to that is going to satisfy the goal of the question.

Even if someone who identified as straight said "Sure, why not!", the person who asked it could retort back "You're not really straight, then!" as a way to deflect the answer.

/has dated a TG girl before. Right after high school.
//She was cute. Sad she moved away because of the bigotry she got.


Meh, I don't really care whether someone says 'You're not really straight, then'.  Being called gay is hardly the worse thing that's ever happened to me.   I tend to agree with  hardinparamedic's diagram human sexuality isn't really a binary thing.  I tend to round down to 'straight'.   If other people use different rounding rules then so be it.
 
2014-02-20 04:42:22 PM

Shadowknight: grumpfuff: Your white knighting is why I take issue with you. Like I said to Thae, I should have been a bit clear in my original post, and I apologize for that.

Fark I hate that phrase.  "How dare you not support this anger 100%!  You must burn like the rest of them!"  I'm not on his side any more than I'm on yours.


Although, since you're defending the guy who's clearly in the wrong, really, one should say you were...
1.bp.blogspot.com
Shadow knighting.
 
2014-02-20 04:42:37 PM

Fafai: If you don't learn to enjoy the hilarity of it you will really hate it in threads like this. Just relax and take it.


Only on my wife's birthday, friend.
 
2014-02-20 04:44:15 PM

Theaetetus: Nope, I burned him in effigy solely for his response. Scroll back. With his initial joke, I also didn't get the context, and thought he was just a troll worthy of ignoring. It was only once he returned and acted like a dick instead of properly apologizing that I got involved.


I stand corrected.  There was a lot of hate boners raging at him, but none from you until he came back and angrily slung (slang?) back.
 
2014-02-20 04:44:33 PM

Shadowknight: Fafai: You should check out Lady Gaga.

Ha, no.  I have liked things she's done before she took on the persona, and I can't really blame her for doing so as its made her obscenely wealthy, but I don't care for the dancy-poppy club crap.  Even if there is a message buried under the layers of synthesized music and meat dresses.


Skrillex, then?
 
2014-02-20 04:45:18 PM

Fafai: Just relax and take it.


Like I haven't heard that before. . .
 
2014-02-20 04:46:05 PM

Theaetetus: I'm only tossing  you on the digital pyre for your criticism of Maggie's understandable response and equivocation of "insulting joke" and "getting insulted" as being equally bad.


I'm saying she overreacted.  Well, maybe not initially, thinking she was actually being insulted.  But after she was corrected, and informed it was a movie quote from Monty Python, maybe she should have called back the dogs of war?

I never said it was equally bad, I'm saying both parties screwed their respective pooches.
 
2014-02-20 04:49:31 PM

Shadowknight: I'm saying she overreacted.  Well, maybe not initially, thinking she was actually being insulted.  But after she was corrected, and informed it was a movie quote from Monty Python, maybe she should have called back the dogs of war?


Other than RobSeace's comment earlier (which may have gotten lost in the shuffle as no one seems to have responded), there was no mention of it until after he doubled down on the derp. Your correction, for example, was almost half an hour after his rant.
 
2014-02-20 04:49:34 PM

Shadowknight: grumpfuff: Your white knighting is why I take issue with you. Like I said to Thae, I should have been a bit clear in my original post, and I apologize for that.

Fark I hate that phrase.  "How dare you not support this anger 100%!  You must burn like the rest of them!"  I'm not on his side any more than I'm on yours.

He screwed up slightly, you guys made it worse, and he delivered the coup de gras to any chance of civil decorum.  I'm just trying to point out how you all are running around naked in the dark and poking at each other with sticks, trying to get an eye for an eye.


It's not that you didn't support Maggie. I love Mags, but at first I thought she was being a bit over sensitive. It was your continual return to defend him and insist it's everyone else's fault and not his that caused me to call you a white knight.
 
2014-02-20 04:50:24 PM

Theaetetus: Although, since you're defending the guy who's clearly in the wrong, really, one should say you were...

Shadow knighting.


Ok, that's the first laugh I've got since I started posting in this thread.  I really hate this name, honestly.  I created it back in the day when I was in middle school, playing MUDs online.  At the time, I thought it sounded pretty badass.  I used it as my Fark handle as some sort of misplaced irony, I guess, because I never thought I was going to use it again and just wanted to post on one thread or another.  But how many years later, I am kind of established.

Wish I could change it and not lose my tenure, ie my signed up date.  But, hey...
 
2014-02-20 04:51:43 PM

Fafai: Skrillex, then?


I've heard Bangarang once while scrolling through on my satellite radio.  It was...  Different.
 
2014-02-20 04:53:43 PM

Shadowknight: Theaetetus: Although, since you're defending the guy who's clearly in the wrong, really, one should say you were...

Shadow knighting.

Ok, that's the first laugh I've got since I started posting in this thread.  I really hate this name, honestly.  I created it back in the day when I was in middle school, playing MUDs online.  At the time, I thought it sounded pretty badass.  I used it as my Fark handle as some sort of misplaced irony, I guess, because I never thought I was going to use it again and just wanted to post on one thread or another.  But how many years later, I am kind of established.

Wish I could change it and not lose my tenure, ie my signed up date.  But, hey...



Alas, Fark doesn't offer Name Reassignment Surgery.
 
2014-02-20 04:55:02 PM

Shadowknight: I created it back in the day when I was in middle school, playing MUDs online.


I feel for ya there. My yahoo email was created almost 20 years ago now. I refuse to give it out anymore because it makes me feel silly.
 
2014-02-20 04:55:39 PM

grumpfuff: It's not that you didn't support Maggie. I love Mags, but at first I thought she was being a bit over sensitive. It was your continual return to defend him and insist it's everyone else's fault and not his that caused me to call you a white knight.


And you wrongly assumed.  I'm saying that he screwed up, but so did she.  Two wrongs don't make a right, eye for an eye everyone blind, yada yada.  I'm also committing the cardinal sin of assuming that people on the internet can be debated into being rational instead of just happily making runs at windmills.
 
2014-02-20 04:59:38 PM

Shadowknight: grumpfuff: It's not that you didn't support Maggie. I love Mags, but at first I thought she was being a bit over sensitive. It was your continual return to defend him and insist it's everyone else's fault and not his that caused me to call you a white knight.

And you wrongly assumed.  I'm saying that he screwed up, but so did she.  Two wrongs don't make a right, eye for an eye everyone blind, yada yada.  I'm also committing the cardinal sin of assuming that people on the internet can be debated into being rational instead of just happily making runs at windmills.


Yea, see, remember what I said about the lady doth protest too much?
 
2014-02-20 05:00:29 PM

runcible spork: Alas, Fark doesn't offer Name Reassignment Surgery.


It's not fair!  They won't let me be who I am!  

grumpfuff: I feel for ya there. My yahoo email was created almost 20 years ago now. I refuse to give it out anymore because it makes me feel silly.


My current virtual nickname and email of choice is "PapaBear."  My wife and our mutual friend gave me that because I'm large, hairy, and had a kid.  Of course, what our mutual friend (who happens to be a "bear hunter" by his own terminology) didn't tell me until after I registered it with Gmail that it was also a term for the biggest, hairiest guy in the leather bar.  

Some initial embarrassment aside, I decided I liked it too much to abandon it.  But I had to create a more appropriate one for my business emails, though.
 
2014-02-20 05:03:05 PM

grumpfuff: Yea, see, remember what I said about the lady doth protest too much?


I admit, I have taken this a bit far for trying to be an arbitrator for an internet argument.  But I guess I had faith that Farkers (again, outside of the politics tab) could get along on something as mutually beloved as Monty Python.

If Life of Brian can't bring us together, this world has no hope.
 
2014-02-20 05:04:40 PM

Shadowknight: I'm saying that he screwed up, but so did she.  Two wrongs don't make a right, eye for an eye everyone blind, yada yada.


False equivalency, though. Her perhaps* oversensitivity to his initial attempt at a joke was negligible in comparison to his refusal to apologize. Equating the two minimizes her feelings.

*I don't necessarily agree that it was oversensitive.  As Maggie noted, there are many highly insulting and transphobic "jokes" that people present in these threads.  When the proverbial wheat is indistinguishable from the chaff unless you get a particular reference, is it really being oversensitive to throw it all out?

Consider, if a bunch of people were calling someone the n-word, and you showed up and said "yeah, he's an N-bong!", would it be valid to call them oversensitive for not immediately getting your Blazing Saddles joke?

Furthermore, if they said "fark you," and you returned and said "how dare you get upset with me, I was on your side before but now maybe I won't be," would you really suggest that both responses are equally bad?
 
2014-02-20 05:04:46 PM

Shadowknight: grumpfuff: Yea, see, remember what I said about the lady doth protest too much?

I admit, I have taken this a bit far for trying to be an arbitrator for an internet argument.  But I guess I had faith that Farkers (again, outside of the politics tab) could get along on something as mutually beloved as Monty Python.

If Life of Brian can't bring us together, this world has no hope.


I love Life of Brian. However, outside of a few select passages, I couldn't tell a quote from it from a quote from the latest Disney movie.

Alright, maybe that's a bit much, but my point is not everyone has all of Fark's favorites memorized.
 
2014-02-20 05:07:06 PM

Shadowknight: My current virtual nickname and email of choice is "PapaBear."  My wife and our mutual friend gave me that because I'm large, hairy, and had a kid.  Of course, what our mutual friend (who happens to be a "bear hunter" by his own terminology) didn't tell me until after I registered it with Gmail that it was also a term for the biggest, hairiest guy in the leather bar.


4.bp.blogspot.com
"I'm looking for something that says 'Dad likes Leather'."
"Something that says, 'leather daddy'?"
"Oh, is there such a thing?"

www.tobiasfunke.com
 
2014-02-20 05:08:26 PM

Shadowknight: grumpfuff: Yea, see, remember what I said about the lady doth protest too much?

I admit, I have taken this a bit far for trying to be an arbitrator for an internet argument.  But I guess I had faith that Farkers (again, outside of the politics tab) could get along on something as mutually beloved as Monty Python.

If Life of Brian can't bring us together, this world has no hope.


Is this the part where we all burst in to song?

vinylmationkingdom.com
 
2014-02-20 05:10:19 PM

grumpfuff: I couldn't tell a quote from it from a quote from the latest Disney movie.


As I said before, there are other Monty Python movies I liked more.


/and I've almost got Frozen memorized.
 
2014-02-20 05:11:32 PM

Theaetetus: Shadowknight: I'm saying that he screwed up, but so did she.  Two wrongs don't make a right, eye for an eye everyone blind, yada yada.

False equivalency, though. Her perhaps* oversensitivity to his initial attempt at a joke was negligible in comparison to his refusal to apologize. Equating the two minimizes her feelings.

*I don't necessarily agree that it was oversensitive.  As Maggie noted, there are many highly insulting and transphobic "jokes" that people present in these threads.  When the proverbial wheat is indistinguishable from the chaff unless you get a particular reference, is it really being oversensitive to throw it all out?

Consider, if a bunch of people were calling someone the n-word, and you showed up and said "yeah, he's an N-bong!", would it be valid to call them oversensitive for not immediately getting your Blazing Saddles joke?



In casual conversation, no, I wouldn't expect people to get the Blazing Saddles joke.  But here on Fark?  I don't think there's a politics thread, especially involving Obama, that doesn't have at least one N-BONG joke.  From an Obama supporter.  

Furthermore, if they said "fark you," and you returned and said "how dare you get upset with me, I was on your side before but now maybe I won't be," would you really suggest that both responses are equally bad? 

No, that would not be a reasonable response and I would have apologized and explained myself.  Probably ducked out with my tail between my legs after.  But its all academic, because the way you used it would have just been a stupid way with no real call back to the original gag outside of the actual word...

Wait, I see where you're going with this.

Seriously, I never meant to minimize "Maggies" feelings.  But I will also not glaze over the fact that she overreacted, and would rather wallow in those hurt feelings than realize that maybe he wasn't out to get her, and just wasn't very good with framing a joke.
 
2014-02-20 05:15:01 PM

Shadowknight: "Maggies"


Wow, I suck at quotations, and with apostrophes.

In any case, I'm off to go make some dinner for the kids.  It's up to you guys to forgive and forget or remember and rage into the hurricane, depending on your proclivities.
 
2014-02-20 05:15:51 PM

Shadowknight: Seriously, I never meant to minimize "Maggies" feelings.  But I will also not glaze over the fact that she overreacted, and would rather wallow in those hurt feelings than realize that maybe he wasn't out to get her, and just wasn't very good with framing a joke.


Oh I am getting kick out of this for sure. LoL : )
You're funny.
 
2014-02-20 05:16:02 PM

Shadowknight: Theaetetus: Shadowknight: I'm saying that he screwed up, but so did she.  Two wrongs don't make a right, eye for an eye everyone blind, yada yada.

False equivalency, though. Her perhaps* oversensitivity to his initial attempt at a joke was negligible in comparison to his refusal to apologize. Equating the two minimizes her feelings.

*I don't necessarily agree that it was oversensitive.  As Maggie noted, there are many highly insulting and transphobic "jokes" that people present in these threads.  When the proverbial wheat is indistinguishable from the chaff unless you get a particular reference, is it really being oversensitive to throw it all out?

Consider, if a bunch of people were calling someone the n-word, and you showed up and said "yeah, he's an N-bong!", would it be valid to call them oversensitive for not immediately getting your Blazing Saddles joke?


In casual conversation, no, I wouldn't expect people to get the Blazing Saddles joke.  But here on Fark?  I don't think there's a politics thread, especially involving Obama, that doesn't have at least one N-BONG joke.  From an Obama supporter.  

Furthermore, if they said "fark you," and you returned and said "how dare you get upset with me, I was on your side before but now maybe I won't be," would you really suggest that both responses are equally bad? 

No, that would not be a reasonable response and I would have apologized and explained myself.  Probably ducked out with my tail between my legs after.  But its all academic, because the way you used it would have just been a stupid way with no real call back to the original gag outside of the actual word...

Wait, I see where you're going with this.

Seriously, I never meant to minimize "Maggies" feelings.  But I will also not glaze over the fact that she overreacted, and would rather wallow in those hurt feelings than realize that maybe he wasn't out to get her, and just wasn't very good with framing a joke.


I didn't think anyone here cared about anyone else's feelings to begin with?
 
2014-02-20 05:22:03 PM

Shadowknight: Fafai: If you don't learn to enjoy the hilarity of it you will really hate it in threads like this. Just relax and take it.

Only on my wife's birthday, friend.


Really? Wait a second... maggie, those times in the past we made flirty jokes about you 'pegging' my ass? You mean the whole time we were talking about the real deal? Sweet!
 
2014-02-20 05:25:51 PM

Fafai: Shadowknight: Fafai: If you don't learn to enjoy the hilarity of it you will really hate it in threads like this. Just relax and take it.

Only on my wife's birthday, friend.

Really? Wait a second... maggie, those times in the past we made flirty jokes about you 'pegging' my ass? You mean the whole time we were talking about the real deal? Sweet!


You just figured that out: )
 
2014-02-20 05:27:38 PM

runcible spork: So why are you here?


Entertainment mostly.  And occasionally I learn something from one of you serious people.  For instance, I just learned the etymology of the word 'runcible.'  (I appreciate the cleverness of the name much more now, btw)

/ thanks for the apology
// but I see you still have a name-calling issue


I did include the winkie face to try and convey that the name calling was in jest.  I know you're not really a douchenozzlette.  That is such a fun word to say though, I couldn't resist.
 
2014-02-20 05:30:18 PM

Boojum2k: Your real parents dropped you in a dumpster, with a diaper around your head.


Oh sick muslim burn!
 
2014-02-20 05:31:34 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Fafai: Shadowknight: Fafai: If you don't learn to enjoy the hilarity of it you will really hate it in threads like this. Just relax and take it.

Only on my wife's birthday, friend.

Really? Wait a second... maggie, those times in the past we made flirty jokes about you 'pegging' my ass? You mean the whole time we were talking about the real deal? Sweet!

You just figured that out: )


It's a good thing I'm pretty.
 
2014-02-20 05:35:37 PM

insertsnarkyusername: VladTheEmailer: insertsnarkyusername: I'm curious anyone here that identifies as straight willing to date or have sex with a MTF transgendered person?

I don't have a problem with that conceptually.
Frankly, the only person that I have ever met and interacted with that I know for a fact* was post operative Male-to-female.
I knew her briefly as a man.   She wasn't an attractive man, and sadly she made (to my eyes) an even less attractive female.  So that any desire to date her was very much off the table.  But that wasn't related to her being transgendered.

// * I am notoriously oblivious to this kind of thing.   So I might have known others but just not realised it.
// My gaydar, for example, only kicks in for Richard Simmons level flaming.

Interesting, I don't think I could personally. The reason I asked this question is a friend of mine recently announced they wanted a change of pronouns(FTM). I obviously support him, but I am a bit worried he will end up disappointed because he wants a straight woman as a partner. This of course led to discussion among our wider group of friends and the question was asked to straight men and women, gay men, lesbians and bisexuals. Basically only the bisexual or pansexual people gave a strong yes answer.

/This conversation took place at a bar with a ten foot tall rainbow flag covering one wall. So we had a good mix of people jumping into the conversation that night when we were discussing it.


They would still have to meet my 'minimum threshold for female beauty'.   Being TG doesn't get any politically-correct adjustments.   But, as a friend once pointed out, my minimum threshold is actually remarkably low.
 
2014-02-20 05:53:15 PM
1. I posted a poorly thought out joke.
2. Maggie went batshiat over it and everyone else jumped on the dog pile and took it to eleven.
3. I came back and tried to explain myself.
4. Everyone started playing the blame game and everything started all over again.

Therefore:

A. You win, I lose. I'm sorry. I'll go stand in the corner now. Happy?
B. Then I'm going to go have dinner.
C. I will not be back to this thread.
 
2014-02-20 05:55:23 PM

DigitalCoffee: A. You win, I lose. I'm sorry. I'll go stand in the corner now. Happy?


The fact that you see interactions with others as a competition in which only one person can win is possibly part of your problem.
 
2014-02-20 06:19:17 PM
ReverendJasen: runcible spork: So why are you here?

Entertainment mostly.  And occasionally I learn something from one of you serious people.  For instance, I just learned the etymology of the word 'runcible.'  (I appreciate the cleverness of the name much more now, btw)


I'm not always serious. Hope that's evident. Also, don't read too much into the name.

/ thanks for the apology
// but I see you still have a name-calling issue

I did include the winkie face to try and convey that the name calling was in jest.  I know you're not really a douchenozzlette.  That is such a fun word to say though, I couldn't resist.


Trained myself long ago not to see emoticons; they're below my radar. Only sometimes a liability. And anyway, you can't know for certain that I'm not a 'douchenozzlette,' either.
 
2014-02-20 07:01:04 PM

Shadowknight: But I will also not glaze over the fact that she overreacted, and would rather wallow in those hurt feelings than realize that maybe he wasn't out to get her, and just wasn't very good with framing a joke.


That's pretty much all I ever see that farker do.
/that and blame it on the drinking
 
2014-02-20 10:34:15 PM

DigitalCoffee: 1. I posted a poorly thought out joke.
2. Maggie went batshiat over it and everyone else jumped on the dog pile and took it to eleven.
3. I came back and tried to explain myself.
4. Everyone started playing the blame game and everything started all over again.

Therefore:

A. You win, I lose. I'm sorry. I'll go stand in the corner now. Happy?
B. Then I'm going to go have dinner.
C. I will not be back to this thread.


... YOU'RE BAAAACK
 
2014-02-20 11:39:26 PM

Serious Black: You have to be a ridiculously sick farker to threaten anyone's life, let alone a confused teenage girl's boy's life.


ftfy

Don't get me wrong; we agree on the more important part of your statement, just not on the biological facts.
 
2014-02-20 11:48:02 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: IamAwake: diaphoresis: I never understood the people who use ignore lists. Does it mean they are less tolerant of people's opinions that don't match their own?

I use it for people who post large quantities of unrelated pictures in a thread, or people who are more than just minor trolls.  That said, if I or anyone else wanted to filter more liberally - what do you care?  Why is anyone here obligated to read what everyone says?  If put on an ignore list, typically you'll not even know.  You won't be harmed in any way.  You're still free to feel as though you got the attention of the same number of people, that they all felt you were a special snowflake with unique and beautiful ideas.  You can feel that independent of how much of said writing of yours, that others may actually be reading.

I dunno if you know this, but some people's opinion is that they should just shiat on people.  They'll say one thing until it isn't the outside thing, then they'll say a different thing.  They just want to be obnoxious.  They're not adding to the conversation - they're derailing it.  That's what for which the ignore button is typically solving.

So now you know!

I always ignore transphobes because I simply don't give a crap about what a person's opinion on anything else might be if they can't even summon the strength to be respectful of fellow human beings.


Boils down to a simple maxim: life is too short for some brands of bullsh*t.

As for the folks who don't have trans folks in their lives, I can understand a part of the issue of non-acceptance. It's as common on both the heterosexual as well as homosexual sides. There are a damn lot of folks who are gay and lesbian who REALLY just want bisexuals to pick a side. There are a lot of folks who are gay and lesbian who are creeped out by the T portion of LGBT. That tends to change, when you see and have folks in your life who are grappling with these sorts of issues. Some are just plain chemical, some are some damn ugly, absolutely heart breaking trauma that when you understand the impetus, you want to take a f*cking chainsaw to a fair amount of their family tree, and cleanse the debris with fire. Human sexuality isn't a linear progression, it's not as simple as one or another. It's not even a spectrum. The one great truth about human sexuality is variation. Which oddly enough means, that most of us can pretty much be assured that we are someone's fetish.

So long as folks are all consenting, and aware, then drive on. Be happy. Love one another, and if you're not into someone, then don't f*ck 'em. Plain and simple. Just because you don't want to f*ck 'em, doesn't mean someone else doesn't. Big boned, rail thin, too big a nose, not the right religion, too dark, too pale, wrong attitude, listens to the wrong music, really hates Star Wars, voted Republican, voted Democrat, there are a plethora of reasons that folks will consider you an inappropriate bunk up. And yeah, being the wrong sex IS one of them. And then there's a lot of gray area, and boils down to it, what YOU like, and what OTHER people like doesn't have to be the same. So long as everyone is consenting, and happy with one another, drive on. I may not agree that I find it particularly attractive, but if I ain't f*cking them, it's none of my damn business. Be happy with what you got, and thems that find you awfully fun and good for them. There is not one iota of happiness drained from the Universe if someone you don't find attractive or a good partner finds someone that likes them--well, unless of course you're sort of douche who enjoys other folk's misery, and then perhaps foiling your happiness IS indeed adding the happiness quotient of the Universe, and in that case you maybe need a good punch in the tacklebox for good measure, but again, the rule of the Universe in matters of sex IS variation so you're at least holding to that constant.

My Grandmother, a good KC Lady, the same woman who taught me to drink, and who bawled me out for being dickish on more than a few occasions, had a simple rule: mind your own damn business. Don't like? Don't eat it. But never mind what's on anyone else's...

And on another note: as a nominally straight man, our own tinfoilled maggie is adorable just the way she is. Drive on, you, and be the best you, you can be.
 
2014-02-21 09:28:44 AM

RockofAges: I don't understand the fixation with "straight" if the transman is simply looking for sexual relations with women -- why does their orientation matter as long as they are okay with a transman?


I'm guessing because they if they're with a lesbian, then they're with someone who likes women, and a trans man doesn't want to be a woman. They want to be with someone who likes men to affirm their own gender identity.
 
2014-02-21 10:06:32 AM

RockofAges: also would not date a TG individual because I don't "round down" to straight, I am straight

I don't necessarily see 'straight' as an absolute.   I desire women, and appreciate feminine beauty.   I find the male body kind of silly looking and certainly never sexually attractive.  My partners have never had a penis and I'm not into receiving anal sex.   So I think its fair that consider myself straight.
Having said that its not always possible to predict who one will fall in love with.   I remember seeing the movie 'The Crying Game' and thinking that I could easily see myself hooking up with the character 'Dil' under similar circumstances.  As about a 16yo, I remember spanking it to the model Tula in Playboy.   I feel no problem with that, knowing that she's a transsexual and, of course, given a chance I would opted for having sex with her instead.   So, I guess, given different opportunities at different points in my life I could have deviated from the straight path.


RockofAges: But really, I don't understand the fixation with "straight" if the transman is simply looking for sexual relations with women -- why does their orientation matter as long as they are okay with a transman?

Frankly, this seems like a sort of status thing.  "You see?  I  am a real man, I'm with a straight woman!"
 
2014-02-21 11:23:58 AM

Shadowknight: Theaetetus:

So your argument is that he is a bigot and deserved this virtual shaming because he made a reference to a movie you didn't get, no matter what he actually believes, simply for the offense of assuming people would know the movie in question?  I mean, in ordinary circles or at a dinner party, that wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that someone was being a dick.  Just blurting that out to a bunch of people that aren't likely in on the joke would be uncalled for.

But this is Fark.  Just in the last 24 hours I've seen quoted references to the 1927 Metropolis movie, the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, and two quotes from Optimus Prime.  If Monty Python is too obscure, things have gone crooked somewhere.


If only you white knights defended the trans posters or trans people in stories linked here and voraciously as you do the people who intentionally make out-of-context statements and are then rightfully pounced upon...
 
2014-02-21 11:29:54 AM

hubiestubert: The My Little Pony Killer: IamAwake: diaphoresis: I never understood the people who use ignore lists. Does it mean they are less tolerant of people's opinions that don't match their own?

I use it for people who post large quantities of unrelated pictures in a thread, or people who are more than just minor trolls.  That said, if I or anyone else wanted to filter more liberally - what do you care?  Why is anyone here obligated to read what everyone says?  If put on an ignore list, typically you'll not even know.  You won't be harmed in any way.  You're still free to feel as though you got the attention of the same number of people, that they all felt you were a special snowflake with unique and beautiful ideas.  You can feel that independent of how much of said writing of yours, that others may actually be reading.

I dunno if you know this, but some people's opinion is that they should just shiat on people.  They'll say one thing until it isn't the outside thing, then they'll say a different thing.  They just want to be obnoxious.  They're not adding to the conversation - they're derailing it.  That's what for which the ignore button is typically solving.

So now you know!

I always ignore transphobes because I simply don't give a crap about what a person's opinion on anything else might be if they can't even summon the strength to be respectful of fellow human beings.

Boils down to a simple maxim: life is too short for some brands of bullsh*t.

As for the folks who don't have trans folks in their lives, I can understand a part of the issue of non-acceptance. It's as common on both the heterosexual as well as homosexual sides. There are a damn lot of folks who are gay and lesbian who REALLY just want bisexuals to pick a side. There are a lot of folks who are gay and lesbian who are creeped out by the T portion of LGBT. That tends to change, when you see and have folks in your life who are grappling with these sorts of issues. Some are just plain chemical, some are ...


Thank you for expanding upon my point in that graceful way that you be, Hubie.
 
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