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(Mirror.co.uk)   Cute teen girl who previously lived as a boy reaches final of Miss Coventry beauty competition, despite being subjected to death threats: "I felt it was important to make a stand. You don't have to look or be a certain way to be beautiful" (w/pic)   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 409
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2014-02-20 03:48:45 AM

Boojum2k: diaphoresis: Please...

Nah, you're actually not worth it. It's fun to insult you, because while the pig may wallow in the dirt, it's still a pig and proving it every time it wallows around.

I've seen better trolls than you on youtube.


You would know, I'm sure, troll.
 
2014-02-20 03:50:18 AM

Yogimus: diaphoresis: Boojum2k: diaphoresis: don't worry dear.. you'll get better at it.

Really? "I know you are, but what am I" is the end-all and be-all of your skills? Somebody had to train you to use that one, it's too intellectual for you.

Your real parents dropped you in a dumpster, with a diaper around your head.

With phrasing like that, you have certainly shown us your intellectual side. Please... nuke us with more of your brilliance, troll.

Well aren't you just the cutest little thing.


Thank you, ugo. :P
 
2014-02-20 03:50:42 AM

diaphoresis: Durrrr I only has the one trick


Buh bye!
 
2014-02-20 03:51:46 AM

diaphoresis: Weatherkiss: Boojum2k: diaphoresis: While the statement could be seen either way

Not really, not to any literate person. You distinctly lumped tinfoil-hat maggie with mentally ill people, and now you're trying to cover yourself.
Well, you are, but it's in crap.

I prefer to live in a world of gray when many people on Fark live in a world of black and white. I've been called mentally ill for having a concealed carry and an open carry permit. I've been labelled this or that because I have positions outside of the Fark majority of a thread. I took his phrasing as two distinct observations (trans can be mentally ill, but not all trans are mentally ill).

But when it comes down to Fark threads, and blatant insults, it's easier to cover someone with a mentally ill label than putting forth the energy to consider maybe they're just different.

By nature, humans are a lot alike. In this new era of 'its ok the be different', it's difficult for some people to make the adjustment. Being different from Status Quo is becoming the Status Quo. People who have/had trouble expressing their self-identity have come out in a wave. People do not always react well to change, even though change is inevitable.


I guess I see it in a different way. There are some people who just want to live a normal life. Like maggie said, noone knows she's trans unless she says so. Otherwise she isn't a label, she's just a person. There are lots of trans people who no one would know any different (or would care) unless they speak up about it.

Sometimes there's a need for distinction (like the Olympics when the identity of 'gender' is decided upon by various psychiatrists, physicians, etc. since that identity is no longer cut-and-dry in one form or another), but for most everyday life there's no real need to bring it up.

I find people who have the need to bring it up as often as they possibly can do it because of personal issues. But it's not something unique to trans people, it's for many kinds of people. Gay and bi people do it. People of particular job professions do it. People from Texas do it. I think all of those people have personal issues where they have to feel like the only way to be accepted is to force some kind of conflict where someone is forced into being uncomfortable with them, and that they're 'accepted' by forcing others into thinking they're a guilty party for being uncomfortable.

Which is really just a human thing. Like that Tea Party nutjob who said, "Liberals really get angry when you say the pledge allegiance as loud as you possibly can.". Maybe there are a few, but for the most part people don't give a fark what this guy does with his life.
 
2014-02-20 03:53:12 AM
Boojum2k: I'm sorry I called you a troll. My ego got in the way. Thanks for being so understanding.

That's ok. Good hunting my friend.
 
2014-02-20 03:53:21 AM

Lady Indica: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: diaphoresis: tinfoil-hat maggie: DigitalCoffee: Where's the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

WtF, are you tarded? I'M ALREADY PISSED BUT ... Well this thread icing on the cake.

I am trans and all you haters can sock my c+ck .

don't feel alone... there are a lot of mentally ill people out there

See this is the stupid troll.

tsk tsk.. you're looking for trolls where there are none. Perhaps you are mentally ill after all.

Oh really funny how I had you tagged as troll, LOL.

No, sad really. The statement I made could have been taken either way. It's 'you' that chose to make it all about you, not the actually mentally ill people who have a limited idea of identity. Feel free to rant though.

You know how you worry that being attracted to a trans person makes you gay? It does. It totally does. You should just surrender and head to your local glory hole, they'll take good care of you there.


you do know I love you ,I don't get to say that enough ; )
 
2014-02-20 03:53:24 AM
If it has a dick.. it's a dude.
 
2014-02-20 03:54:28 AM
Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

Transgender people are mentally ill if they insist they're really the opposite sex really, especially if they want to get themselves irreparably mutilated to "make the outside match the inside." That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."

But if it's just that they feel so atypical that they'd rather live "cross-dressed" that's fine with me. For that matter IMHO you're welcome to wear a dress and makeup and call yourself "Champagne" if you look like that Duck Dynasty guy. It's a fact that some males are more feminine in feeling & behavior than a lot of women and it's immoral not to let them show it.

Especially when they're cute.
 
2014-02-20 03:55:07 AM
It is up to you how much your sexuality defines you. It is up to the world to define your sexuality... and it falls into 3 categories: Normal, Queer, and attention whore. Sorry.
 
2014-02-20 03:55:55 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Hres trolling and you bit ...
I prefer fact Transsexual differences caught on brain scanSuck it loser trolls you got no facts.


with that kind of blanket statement, he's trawling...and that article was a rather fascinating read.  I look forward to further readings on the matter.
 
2014-02-20 04:00:26 AM

insertsnarkyusername: tinfoil-hat maggie: harleyquinnical: It's against my better judgement to comment here but...

She has a certain Marilyn Monroe quality to her.  More power to her to stand up for herself in this fashion.

That's how I feel in every trans tread. In real life and Fark no one knows I'm trans unless I say so..
/Again fark you haters

Well I'm not sure why in real life, but on fark that's probably because you only provide a thumbnail pic in your profile.


Oh really? Nope I sent out bie to anyone that asked for it for well over a year closer to 2. No one called me on it. Sure I told a select crowd but hey...

I'm out now you farkin bigot and I do have records of who I sent the em's too so.....
 
2014-02-20 04:03:55 AM

img.fark.net



"I'm high as fark!!!"

 
2014-02-20 04:04:30 AM

Weatherkiss: diaphoresis: Weatherkiss: Boojum2k: diaphoresis: While the statement could be seen either way

Not really, not to any literate person. You distinctly lumped tinfoil-hat maggie with mentally ill people, and now you're trying to cover yourself.
Well, you are, but it's in crap.

I prefer to live in a world of gray when many people on Fark live in a world of black and white. I've been called mentally ill for having a concealed carry and an open carry permit. I've been labelled this or that because I have positions outside of the Fark majority of a thread. I took his phrasing as two distinct observations (trans can be mentally ill, but not all trans are mentally ill).

But when it comes down to Fark threads, and blatant insults, it's easier to cover someone with a mentally ill label than putting forth the energy to consider maybe they're just different.

By nature, humans are a lot alike. In this new era of 'its ok the be different', it's difficult for some people to make the adjustment. Being different from Status Quo is becoming the Status Quo. People who have/had trouble expressing their self-identity have come out in a wave. People do not always react well to change, even though change is inevitable.

I guess I see it in a different way. There are some people who just want to live a normal life. Like maggie said, noone knows she's trans unless she says so. Otherwise she isn't a label, she's just a person. There are lots of trans people who no one would know any different (or would care) unless they speak up about it.

Sometimes there's a need for distinction (like the Olympics when the identity of 'gender' is decided upon by various psychiatrists, physicians, etc. since that identity is no longer cut-and-dry in one form or another), but for most everyday life there's no real need to bring it up.

I find people who have the need to bring it up as often as they possibly can do it because of personal issues. But it's not something unique to trans people, it's for many k ...


Dude, you said it well there.
 
2014-02-20 04:04:42 AM

Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"


*man-jaw
 
2014-02-20 04:06:53 AM

robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw


Wut you cray.
 
2014-02-20 04:07:16 AM
Weatherkiss: I guess I see it in a different way. There are some people who just want to live a normal life. Like maggie said, noone knows she's trans unless she says so. Otherwise she isn't a label, she's just a person. There are lots of trans people who no one would know any different (or would care) unless they speak up about it.

Sometimes there's a need for distinction (like the Olympics when the identity of 'gender' is decided upon by various psychiatrists, physicians, etc. since that identity is no longer cut-and-dry in one form or another), but for most everyday life there's no real need to bring it up.

I find people who have the need to bring it up as often as they possibly can do it because of personal issues. But it's not something unique to trans people, it's for many kinds of people. Gay and bi people do it. People of particular job professions do it. People from Texas do it. I think all of those people have personal issues where they have to feel like the only way to be accepted is to force some kind of conflict where someone is forced into being uncomfortable with them, and that they're 'accepted' by forcing others into thinking they're a guilty party for being uncomfortable.

Which is really just a human thing. Like that Tea Party nutjob who said, "Liberals really get angry when you say the pledge allegiance as loud as you possibly can.". Maybe there are a few, but for the most part people don't give a fark what this guy does with his life.


That is true in many senses. The people who make an over-issue of their 'uniqueness' do tend to have personal issues. They believe it is a personal attack on them as a whole, rather than one small facet of their entire personality. As mentioned in my earlier statement, there are some who are disturbed by the new 'lifestyles' that are being bandied about. They have just as much right to their opinion as the others, yet an attack on people with more 'traditional' values is ok and even encouraged. There is an illness at play, but as a nation we will get over it in time.

I agree with your assessment that the 'average person' isn't really concerned about what others do with their own lives, as long as it doesn't harm the public at large or children. Unfortunately, both sides of any issue are the 'fringe' and both end up saying that 'the American people agree with me'. A sensationalist statement considering it isn't really feasible to poll every American (without fraud on either side) to find out how they really feel on any particular subject matter. It's a miserable world right now where lifestyles (whether progressive or traditional) are attacked.
 
2014-02-20 04:09:11 AM
Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?
 
2014-02-20 04:10:16 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Dude, you said it well there.


Which isn't to say bigots don't exist and death threats and hatemail and whatnot doesn't happen. It's just from a small minority of people whose opinions noone should really care about to begin with. Most people just don't care.

Some people care, but only because they're annoyed at attention whores. It's just difficult to draw the line between 'people annoyed at attention whores' and 'people annoyed at [minority group]', since they don't always make themselves that obvious.
 
2014-02-20 04:11:14 AM

The One True TheDavid: Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

... That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."


Please tell me you're kidding.
 
2014-02-20 04:11:28 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw

Wut you cray.


And you're drunk, but in the morning, I'll still be crazy.

Seriously though, I've seen cis women with a sharper jaw than her...a jaw that could be used to plow a field.
/not a euphemism.
 
2014-02-20 04:13:40 AM

GreenSun: Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?


In most cases the folks who have to ask themselves this question are the ones who'll never need to answer it without a credit card. The time might be spent more fruitfully pondering eternal questions such as whether or not chronic masturbation is in any way homosexual, since you are touching a penis with such frequency.
 
2014-02-20 04:14:12 AM

diaphoresis: The One True TheDavid: Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

... That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."

Please tell me you're kidding.


It was a Daily Fail article. Another one of those 'extremely rare personality/sexuality disorders' stories they run to manufacture controversy.
 
2014-02-20 04:17:49 AM

robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw


For comparison's sake, Reese Witherspoon:
i.huffpost.com
 
2014-02-20 04:18:29 AM

Weatherkiss: diaphoresis: The One True TheDavid: Shedim:

[*whoosh*]

... That's like those fools who want surgeons to paralyze them so they can be the paraplegics they "really are."

Please tell me you're kidding.

It was a Daily Fail article. Another one of those 'extremely rare personality/sexuality disorders' stories they run to manufacture controversy.


smh...
 
2014-02-20 04:20:09 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw

Wut you cray.


I don't know what 'cray' means. I do know I'm not a supercomputer.
 
2014-02-20 04:20:11 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Flying Lasagna Monster: A teenage girl who lived as a boy until a year ago has reached the final of the Miss Coventry beauty queen competition.
Brave Jordan Davis says she's determined to


We get it, you're a pretentious tool.  But at least Facebook is now more accommodating to your form of body dysmorphic disorder.

Wut? Not sure how to classify this post.


I'm filing it under "transphobe," personally.
 
2014-02-20 04:22:56 AM

Deadite: I honestly think she can win the realest real doll award, cause seriously that picture only makes her look like one.

[resources0.news.com.au image 650x366]


I know a certain Fark admin who's going to be overjoyed when he stumbles across this thread, in that case.
 
2014-02-20 04:23:23 AM

robohobo: tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw

Wut you cray.

I don't know what 'cray' means. I do know I'm not a supercomputer.


Crazy. Good knowledge of computer history though :)
 
2014-02-20 04:27:10 AM

diaphoresis: robohobo: tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: Beaver Knievel: [img.fark.net image 620x413]

"I'm high as fark!!!"

*man-jaw

Wut you cray.

I don't know what 'cray' means. I do know I'm not a supercomputer.

Crazy. Good knowledge of computer history though :)


AH. Okay. I've never heard the shortening before. I'm not the heppest cat. A bit snowblind.
 
2014-02-20 04:31:51 AM
I am both amazed and amused by the people this seems to bother.
I wonder if any of you realize how incredibly transparent you are.
 
2014-02-20 04:33:51 AM

Lady Indica: GreenSun: Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?

In most cases the folks who have to ask themselves this question are the ones who'll never need to answer it without a credit card. The time might be spent more fruitfully pondering eternal questions such as whether or not chronic masturbation is in any way homosexual, since you are touching a penis with such frequency.


I really love you and that is so true.

/Just sayin' : )
 
2014-02-20 04:36:46 AM

Lady Indica: GreenSun: Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?

In most cases the folks who have to ask themselves this question are the ones who'll never need to answer it without a credit card. The time might be spent more fruitfully pondering eternal questions such as whether or not chronic masturbation is in any way homosexual, since you are touching a penis with such frequency.


*snert*...such a way with words; I love it.
 
2014-02-20 04:36:54 AM

jso2897: I am both amazed and amused by the people this seems to bother.
I wonder if any of you realize how incredibly transparent you are.


Most of them say the same thing in every tread.
 
2014-02-20 04:38:05 AM

diaphoresis: Unfortunately, people tend to take subject matter that applies to them and turn it into a crusade-style rant.


Hey! I resemble that remark.


Shedim: The One True TheDavid: [cut large screed of text]

I was wondering if you were going to turn up. I also see you've dialled the rhetoric back from outright hatred and "all transies are mentally ill/deluded." Interesting. I wonder what prompted that change in tone from that to hiding behind chromosomes...


"Outright hatred?" Are you sure you don't mean "refusing to admit that I'm 100% right about everything?"

I've always said I don't hate "T-words," only that transsexualism is based on a delusion. Go back and re-read my "hate screeds" with an open mind and you'll see that.

You'll just have to accept that I can agree with you on some things and not others, or up to a certain point but no farther, and if that really bothers you then subscribe me to your Ignore list and go fark yourself. You do NOT get to dictate to me what to think and say, period. Why should I give you a privilege I deny to admitted nazis?

As far as being mentally ill goes that's neither here nor there, especially since I'm a lunatic myself. There have been times when it was impossible to convince me that, say, the mental ward of a particular hospital was not a "Potempkin village" specially designed by the CIA to entrap me. And that anybody who really believed it was a real psych ward and that she's there solely because she has real psych issues was just crazy. The "psychiatrists" were obviously in on it, especially the one guy I knew from around town who really is a real shrink and who made no secret of not liking me. This is not to say it was impossible for anybody to get real help there, only that I knew the whole thing was really all about me, really. ("WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO CONVINCE ME I'M PARANOID?!?!?")

Fortunately part of my delusionary system was that if I quit fighting, took the medication and "got better" then they wouldn't really insist on literally crucifying me, so now 22 years later I get to look back on that and laugh myself silly. How in the hell did I make it through that one?

So there's nothing wrong with being delusional and/or nuts, just like there's nothing wrong with having the flu. Trying to get the flu because you love suffering is sick, but just getting the flu is just bad luck.

Get it yet? Or should I give up on you entirely?
 
2014-02-20 04:39:34 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: jso2897: I am both amazed and amused by the people this seems to bother.
I wonder if any of you realize how incredibly transparent you are.

Most of them say the same thing in every tread.


To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.
 
2014-02-20 04:42:47 AM

harleyquinnical: Lady Indica: GreenSun: Would you have sex with a woman who used to have a penis?

In most cases the folks who have to ask themselves this question are the ones who'll never need to answer it without a credit card. The time might be spent more fruitfully pondering eternal questions such as whether or not chronic masturbation is in any way homosexual, since you are touching a penis with such frequency.

*snert*...such a way with words; I love it.


IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:
 
2014-02-20 04:47:15 AM

robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.


True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:


So similar to the crush I have on you.
 
2014-02-20 04:50:01 AM

harleyquinnical: robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.

True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:

So similar to the crush I have on you.


It's the middle of the night for the most of folk...give it a few hours.
 
2014-02-20 04:50:59 AM
harleyquinnical:

However, part of a beauty pagent, IIRC, is showing how well one fits the social role. Unless they start judging purely on how they look (e.g. going nude) and produce offspring (f*ck and give birth), it's about filling the social roles and that falls under the social science definition of gender.

Correct. It's about whether one fulfills the social role of stereotypical femininity. One's actual chromosomal arrangement is beside the point. Why should a sweet & pretty queen be ruled out but a vile ugly biatch let in?

"God save the nellie queen..."
 
2014-02-20 04:52:32 AM
That boy looks disgusting.
 
2014-02-20 04:53:32 AM

Weatherkiss: But when it comes down to Fark threads, and blatant insults, it's easier to cover someone with a mentally ill label than putting forth the energy to consider maybe they're just different.


Why can't I be both?!?
 
2014-02-20 04:55:32 AM

Yogimus: 3 kinds of people:

Straight
Gay
Attention Whore


Wrong. There are at least 4, including Ignored. Bye!
 
2014-02-20 04:55:51 AM
Whew, my ignore button is really getting a workout from this thread.
 
2014-02-20 04:59:11 AM

The One True TheDavid: Yogimus: 3 kinds of people:

Straight
Gay
Attention Whore

Wrong. There are at least 4, including Ignored. Bye!

img.fark.net
/not really
 
2014-02-20 05:00:23 AM

harleyquinnical: robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.

True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:

So similar to the crush I have on you.


Might be tell me more : )
 
2014-02-20 05:06:05 AM

robohobo: harleyquinnical: robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.

True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:

So similar to the crush I have on you.

It's the middle of the night for the most of folk...give it a few hours.


It's a trans thread. You notice who showed up?Well....
 
2014-02-20 05:15:02 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: robohobo: harleyquinnical: robohobo: To be fair, every tranny thread is the same thread over an over, on both sides. Same as gun threads, gay threads...basically the politics tab.

True.  I'm surprised nobody has really been calling for Bailey Jay (or some other trans porn star's) pics...or is that a different thread waiting in the wings?

tinfoil-hat maggie: IWell why wouldn't I be?'m in lurve wiith Lady Indica:

So similar to the crush I have on you.

It's the middle of the night for the most of folk...give it a few hours.

It's a trans thread. You notice who showed up?Well....


I don't really have a journal of who shows up to what threads. I kinda know who's always up late, since I generally am, but that's it.
 
2014-02-20 05:17:12 AM

Yogimus: So is it a squishmitten down there or a jolly bishop?


She was born with a penis. Does that help?
 
2014-02-20 05:18:52 AM

taurusowner: That boy looks disgusting.


What's the matter, Precious? Pop a chubby?
 
2014-02-20 05:21:44 AM

The One True TheDavid: I've always said I don't hate "T-words," only that transsexualism is based on a delusion.


Actually, it's not. It's based on the gender of the brain not matching the gender of the body. There's a difference.
 
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