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(The Atlantic)   "I've never hated a film quite the way I hate Dead Poets Society"   (theatlantic.com) divider line 185
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2014-02-19 10:27:32 PM  
Mrs. Doubtfire and Patch Adams think it's a masterpiece of cinema.
 
2014-02-19 10:41:32 PM  
Carp diem
 
2014-02-19 10:58:37 PM  
This guy sounds like every teacher I ever hated in English.

"It's not about what the work makes you think or feel, it's about making yourself sound smart in the analysis."

Actually FTFA: "But passion alone, divorced from the thrilling intellectual work of real analysis, is empty, even dangerous. When we simply "feel" a poem, carried away by the sound of words, rather than actually reading it, we're rather likely to get it wrong."

So Gertrude Stein is completely out for him.

"'Robert Frost said, "Two roads diverged in a wood and I / I took the one less traveled by / And that has made all the difference."' Wha-? Has Keating actually read the poem from which he so blithely samples? For Robert Frost said no such thing: a character in his poem says it."

How can he tell, it's written in first person?

Also, if you read the poem, it's entirely ambiguous as to what the message of it is. To say there is a "right" way to interpret the poem when it is at best ambiguous is pure arrogance.
 
2014-02-19 11:08:09 PM  
I gave up after reading the first couple thousand words of that mental masturbation of an article. Did he ever get around to letting us peasants know what he thinks the difference is between "poetry appreciation" and "poetry criticism"? It's not like there's an quantum mechanics involved. It's creative writing. You read something someone else wrote, and you either like it or you don't.
 
2014-02-19 11:11:09 PM  
I liked the movie, and may still if I ever watch it again(doubtful). This guy has written a great article which convinced me of this movie's lousy presentation of the humanities and the disservice it does to the rigor required in the study of it just as in any other field.
 
2014-02-19 11:17:53 PM  
It is a movie. Get over it.

I'm an engineer. I don't get bent out of shape with every movie that misrepresents technology and the development of technology, which is every movie evar.
 
2014-02-19 11:37:03 PM  
What an intelligent and insightful article that hasn't in any way been written about a thousand times since the movie came out. You're a keen intellect, Kevin Dettmar, keep enlightening the world.

Also, poems have exactly one meaning, and that's the meaning the poet intended. It may or may not be obvious to the reader. That reality in no way makes it incorrect to say that that a poem can have multiple and equally valid effects upon the reader, said effects which may in turn render equally varied and valid interpretations of the poem. Those interpretations do not change its meaning, and their interplay is part of what makes poetry specifically and literature in general such a powerful thing.
 
2014-02-19 11:49:47 PM  
I think I hate Dead Poets Society for the same reason that Robyn, a physician assistant, hates House

They both star Robert Sean Leonard?
 
2014-02-19 11:51:18 PM  
I too loathed that film.  I've always had a violent allergic reaction to Robin Williams.  People on cocaine make me nervous, especially when they are hirsute and decide to teach in a private school for boys.
 
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2014-02-19 11:51:58 PM  

Pocket Ninja: , poe

Alsoms have exactly one meaning, and that's the meaning the poet intended. It may or may not be obvious to the reader. That reality in no way makes it incorrect to say that that a poem can have multiple and equally valid effects upon the reader, said effects which may in turn render equally varied and valid interpretations of the poem. Those interpretations do not change its meaning, and their interplay is part of what makes poetry specifically and literature in general such a powerful thing.

I fought that one with my favorite professor throughout college.  Depending on the work or circumstance, we some times switched sides.  Still, the dispute was unresolved when I graduated.  I think now that he was screwing with me the whole time.  At least he did not get frustrated that I did or did not "get it."
 
2014-02-20 12:04:15 AM  
So an literature scholar over-analyzes a movie.

trueslant.com
 
2014-02-20 12:37:25 AM  

b2theory: I'm an engineer. I don't get bent out of shape with every movie that misrepresents technology and the development of technology, which is every movie evar.


Yeah, I'm in pretty much the same boat, only with biology. Never ever ever try to learn anything about biology from movies. It is so rare that they get any biological concepts correct, and even when they do, it is usually so steeped in other complete BS that you barely recognize it.

That said, I really enjoyed (and still do) Dead Poets Society. It inspired me to consider teaching (I'm high school biology teacher), it got me into Walt Whitman's poetry (which I'd previously hated from my own high school Lit. classes), it reinforced my love of learning, and I've even been able to use the movie to inspire others to enjoy learning.

It's a good movie.

/o captain, my captain
 
2014-02-20 01:37:17 AM  
If you want to impress me, Atlantic, where's the article by a meth lab chemist complaining about how Breaking Bad has ruined how his friends and family view him now?
 
2014-02-20 02:04:35 AM  

Confabulat: Mrs. Doubtfire and Patch Adams think it's a masterpiece of cinema.



Ugh....what a schmaltzy piece of dreck that was.  It was probably the worst time I ever had in college.
 
2014-02-20 02:31:44 AM  

The_Sponge: Confabulat: Mrs. Doubtfire and Patch Adams think it's a masterpiece of cinema.


Ugh....what a schmaltzy piece of dreck that was.  It was probably the worst time I ever had in college.


You think that's bad? I saw this with my classmates:
 
2014-02-20 02:32:43 AM  
This I mean:

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2014-02-20 02:38:48 AM  
I am totes gonna read a long article from a teacher about an old emotionalish movie about schoolboys reading much older poems with a teacher. That is the next thing I am going to read.
 
2014-02-20 02:41:21 AM  
"Now, if Hollywood *really* wants to get it right then they need to option MY screenplay where dashing, world-famous English teacher Kenneth J.H. Bittner who totally doesn't have an office right next to the boiler room and discovers a secret code in a Longfellow poem that kicks off a breakneck race around the globe where he and his team of beautiful graduate assistants who are all in love with him even if his wife doesn't believe it use the code to find George Washington's secret deed to the Vatican to save America and his Dad totally never has to loan a 45-year-old money to buy a used Kia Forte."
 
2014-02-20 02:46:58 AM  
TL;DR - your profession is misrepresented by Hollywood*.

*Just like lawyers, law enforcement, first responders, medical professionals, computer programmers, et al.
 
2014-02-20 02:51:35 AM  
Should have watched Cabin Boy before making that statement ;)
 
2014-02-20 02:52:08 AM  
I didn't like it either, really didn't like it at that, but I'm not going to write a hit piece about it in the Atlantic.  Who cares.  Some people love it and that's cool.  There are worse movies.
 
2014-02-20 02:57:32 AM  
I hated The Counselor that much.
 
2014-02-20 02:57:33 AM  

Solid State Vittles: I didn't like it either, really didn't like it at that, but I'm not going to write a hit piece about it in the Atlantic.  Who cares.  Some people love it and that's cool.  There are worse movies.


Yep.  I think I just mentioned Cabin Boy ;)
 
2014-02-20 03:04:10 AM  
Begone, Kevin J. H. Dettmar, PhD!
 
2014-02-20 03:04:25 AM  
I love Cabin Boy, and Clifford. That isall.
 
2014-02-20 03:06:24 AM  
CSB time. I had an English teacher in high school who loved that movie to the point of obsession, and he totally idolized Robin Williams' character. He made us watch the damn thing in class not just once, but twice in the same week, both times requiring we write essays on our first and second impressions of the film. We had a running bet on how long he'd be able to resist jumping up and standing on his desk, and he actually managed to restrain himself until just before midterms, far longer than any of us thought he'd hold out.

You could see it in the poor sap's pleading eyes as he awkwardly stood there. He never actually asked, but inwardly he was screaming for us all to climb up on our desks as well, to break the shackles of not-standing-on-desks conformity, and to stand in proud unity with him in this lofty moment of transcendent film reenactment. So naturally we all just silently stared at him like a crazy person until he was finally embarrassed enough to sit the hell back down. And after that moment, he never brought the film up again, having already shot his wad and totally failed to achieve any kind of satisfaction.

It's the closest I've ever come to participating in an intervention, and I'd like to think it was a successful one. Though I can't help worrying this guy eventually moved on to teaching university courses on how to survive a zombie apocalypse, or the evolution of music theory in the post-Ke$ha era.
 
2014-02-20 03:08:19 AM  
This guy sounds like the type of person who would force his kids to analyze every sentence of a Clifford book.  Get over yourself.
 
2014-02-20 03:10:32 AM  
Huh...i kinnda liked that movie
 
2014-02-20 03:11:20 AM  

Confabulat: Mrs. Doubtfire and Patch Adams think it's a masterpiece of cinema.


The films of Wes Anderson thinks they are a masterpiece of cinema, when in actuality they are complete shiat. And it is a completeness of shiat beloved by hipsters.
 
2014-02-20 03:23:34 AM  
 When we simply "feel" a poem, carried away by the sound of words, rather than actually reading it, we're rather likely to get it wrong


Wait....so the guy from Nantucket....could he or couldn't he?

/poetry is confusing now
 
2014-02-20 03:40:03 AM  
I spent years studying something to make myself look interesting and farkable and this movie came along, ignored all the instruction manuals and got all the attention?
Worst of all, it actually made people happy?
AAAAAAARGH!
 
2014-02-20 03:44:43 AM  
Dead Poets Society is a really shiatty movie, by the way. But this guy talks too much about it.
 
2014-02-20 03:48:13 AM  
Jumanji has pretty much the same plot and starring actor, and those kids actually did something interesting.
 
2014-02-20 03:50:02 AM  
I don't have time to watch that old ass movie. YOLO.
 
2014-02-20 03:55:55 AM  
I had an English teacher that taught like Williams in DPS. (This was about 15 years before the movie came out, btw.) Best class I ever had.
 
2014-02-20 03:56:07 AM  

b2theory: It is a movie. Get over it.

I'm an engineer. I don't get bent out of shape with every movie that misrepresents technology and the development of technology, which is every movie evar.


This. Where is my hacking with multiple hi def screens, pretty GUI and fine wine? And blowjobs! Where, Hugh Jackman, wharrrr?
 
2014-02-20 04:15:38 AM  
Yes, he overanalyzes this movie, but it is formulaic and contrived from beginning to end.
 
2014-02-20 04:21:03 AM  
Took you 25 years to give voice to your discontent?
 
2014-02-20 04:23:10 AM  

mamoru: b2theory: I'm an engineer. I don't get bent out of shape with every movie that misrepresents technology and the development of technology, which is every movie evar.

Yeah, I'm in pretty much the same boat, only with biology. Never ever ever try to learn anything about biology from movies. It is so rare that they get any biological concepts correct, and even when they do, it is usually so steeped in other complete BS that you barely recognize it.



Uh, sure, for *regular* "biology." But that's not really Hollywood's area of interest. We go to the movies to learn astrobiology, biorobotics, epidemiology, cryptozoology, forensic biology... Hell, when it comes to basic necromancy you can probably learn more from the movies, hour-for-hour, than from some university's fancy doctoral program.
 
2014-02-20 04:27:28 AM  
Yeah, but without it, we wouldn't have gotten this Newbeat classic.
 
2014-02-20 04:32:24 AM  
To be fair, the movie IS a farking horrible, pretentious piece of shiat.
 
2014-02-20 04:38:04 AM  
It really is a shiatty movie and pretty much Robin Williams in full Patch Adams mode, but it does attract dumb cute girls (or did, it's been 25 years and I'm too old for that now, but there's always a Tom Robbins book around if I need one)
 
2014-02-20 04:59:18 AM  
t2.gstatic.com

/burning hatred of a hundred hiroshimas
 
2014-02-20 04:59:48 AM  
My intro composition class was with a pretty great professor. Our textbook was the first book of Sondheim's lyrics, and we read The Divine Comedy and watched 8 1/2 and La Dolce Vita alongside, with some Vonnegut. Really focused on understanding rhythm and how the shape of sounds in a sentence can have an impact on the meaning (used "The Jet Song" from West Side Story as one example). I'm butchering this explanation, but, anyway. Way better than overly sentimental Robin Williams teaching. Just as passionate, but about the art of writing, not just the feel-goods.

/would take a whole degree's-worth of classes from that guy
 
2014-02-20 05:01:45 AM  
This is like biatching about Bill and Ted and Public Enemy, there's plenty of stuff from the last decade or two to biatch about. That movie was made the same year I was born, it's not really a hot topic of conversation. Hell, talking about Titanic is less hacky than this.
 
2014-02-20 05:07:42 AM  

LockeOak: [t2.gstatic.com image 184x274]
/burning hatred of a hundred hiroshimas


Oooh, please! Do tell.
 
2014-02-20 05:12:28 AM  
We did the stand-on-desks thing when our lit professor retired, this was less than five years after the movie came out in Italy. He got the reference and appreciated it.
 
2014-02-20 05:18:27 AM  
This guy is missing the point:

DPS isn't about close reading of text.

It's about engaging students who are under the weight of crushing conformity and existential dread in the love of the art of writing. Also, he's got thirteen more years of dedicated study of literature than these students (most of whom will never become artistic or creative people). Forcing students with a marginal interest to close-read everything is about the worst thing you can do to kill the love of the written word.

Because art is all about the communication between artist and 'consumer'. Even when the consumer gets it wrong, And most people get it wrong over and over. That's okay.

Pity he didn't close-watch it.  :-)
 
2014-02-20 05:24:15 AM  

LockeOak: [t2.gstatic.com image 184x274]

/burning hatred of a hundred hiroshimas


God, my mom gave me shiat for literally 10+ years to watch that damn movie. Finally I agreed, and just sort of sat and stared. HORRIBLE pacing, and it was like being beaten over the head with sentimentality from beginning to end. Just not good. She's a sucker for those, though. Right now she's obsessed with making me watch Saving Mr. Banks. Told her if she'll watch every second of Lars Von Trier's Antichrist, I'll watch Saving Mr. Banks. I then immediately told her she should NOT watch Antichrist, it's a horrible idea, but. That's still my best offer. I enjoy Disney "lore," the history of the company, particularly the theme parks (it was my first introduction to experience design), but CHRIST. Sentimental Tom Hanks movie about a cultural deity like Walt Disney that she said made her sob? Not happenin.

/I try to stick to mind-fark movies
//if I'm not confused, disoriented, and speechless for a day or so after, it's usually a waste of time
 
2014-02-20 05:24:25 AM  

LockeOak: [t2.gstatic.com image 184x274]

/burning hatred of a hundred hiroshimas



IIRC the John Williams score is pretty great.
 
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