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(Daily Mail)   Note to self: Do not try to kick a live grenade away from you (warning: graphic)   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 80
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2014-02-20 12:42:33 AM  

fst_creeper: That is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.


Agreed.  Looking at the position of the shields other officers were going to be hurt if it blew.

Coolfusis: Yep. The smart thing would be to run away. This dude did the not smart, but goddamn brave thing, and deserves his efforts applauded.


No.  He would be better staying behind his shield than running.  Also, you're not going to get very far.  If you're not going to attempt to dispose of the grenade you hit the ground with your feet towards the grenade, you don't run.

AgentKGB: When my brother was about a month into Basic Training they marched over to this area in the woods they had set up for grenade training. They had an old beat-up tank in the middle of this clearing and they were hunkered down behind sandbags and taught to throw grenades at the tank. One guy pulled the pin, went to throw his and it slid right out of his hand. Their CO yelled at them to get the fark down as he kicked the grenade as far as he could.


I thought grenade training was normally conducted on an area with trenches around it--if something goes wrong there's always a safe trench to dive into.
 
2014-02-20 12:46:10 AM  

wildcardjack: I'm more curious if this was a real grenade or some improvised thing. But yeah, bringing explosives to a protest against being in a police state does seem like one of those "good idea, bad idea" second halfs.


Real grenade. According to the link I posted above, it was an "M67 type grenade", so basically one of these.
As for where he got it, bribery and corruption possibly. Or sympathizers in the military giving them to people they know. Or who knows... But, it's not really surprising.
 
2014-02-20 12:48:41 AM  
That wasn't a grenade. Most of the people surrounding that would be dead if it was a grenade.
 
2014-02-20 12:50:46 AM  
He did it all wrong. You're supposed to dive on it.
 
2014-02-20 12:51:56 AM  

mamoru: Apparently, he did not lose his foot. From this article: The policeman was identified as Pol.Sen.Sgt.Maj. Teeradet Ui-Charoen. Medical workers said he suffered severe legs injuries from the grenade blast, but the wounds fortunately did not need amputation.

They aren't sure if he'll be able to completely recover and walk normally again, but he still has his legs.


So what you're saying is, that he is alive, but not kicking.
 
2014-02-20 12:52:48 AM  

Langdon_777: That wasn't a grenade. Most of the people surrounding that would be dead if it was a grenade.


It is a grenade, not a nuclear weapon.   A small amount of high explosives in a steel container that fragments.  It isn't designed to kill as much as it is designed to wound (depends on the type exactly and amount of explosive/container).  The dead don't require anything until after a fight, but the wounded require soldiers to treat them taking them away from fighting.
 
2014-02-20 12:53:00 AM  
I always wonder how the cops feel about these protests (not this one specifically). I have to imagine a number of the riot cops are on the side of the protesters, or, at least, not 100% in support of the government or whatever. I can only assume this is a duty over personal beliefs thing.
 
2014-02-20 01:08:08 AM  

Callous: What kinda protest they got going on there that people are throwing grenades?!

And where do protesters get grenades?


Brick where did you get a grenade?
 
2014-02-20 01:14:50 AM  

mamoru: Apparently, he did not lose his foot. From this article: The policeman was identified as Pol.Sen.Sgt.Maj. Teeradet Ui-Charoen. Medical workers said he suffered severe legs injuries from the grenade blast, but the wounds fortunately did not need amputation.

They aren't sure if he'll be able to completely recover and walk normally again, but he still has his legs.

BTW, in case anyone is unclear about the protests and any violence associated with them, this is only happening in a small part of the city, and the other 99% of the city is unaffected. If anyone wants up to the moment details, I highly recommend following @RichardBarrow on Twitter. Especially if you are in or are planning to go to Bangkok.

/live in Bangkok, so getting a kick...
//pretty much completely unaffected by the protesting, except for having to go to an alt. location to get a re-entry permit for a trip I'm taking next month


Well with legs you are probably better of with artificial than severely mangled no wheres near normal legs.

Now hands no matter how Fubar are like a millionty times better than artificial.
 
2014-02-20 01:25:38 AM  

Oldiron_79: mamoru: Apparently, he did not lose his foot. From this article: The policeman was identified as Pol.Sen.Sgt.Maj. Teeradet Ui-Charoen. Medical workers said he suffered severe legs injuries from the grenade blast, but the wounds fortunately did not need amputation.

They aren't sure if he'll be able to completely recover and walk normally again, but he still has his legs.

BTW, in case anyone is unclear about the protests and any violence associated with them, this is only happening in a small part of the city, and the other 99% of the city is unaffected. If anyone wants up to the moment details, I highly recommend following @RichardBarrow on Twitter. Especially if you are in or are planning to go to Bangkok.

/live in Bangkok, so getting a kick...
//pretty much completely unaffected by the protesting, except for having to go to an alt. location to get a re-entry permit for a trip I'm taking next month

Well with legs you are probably better of with artificial than severely mangled no wheres near normal legs.

Now hands no matter how Fubar are like a millionty times better than artificial.


Did you type that with your prototype robot hands?
 
2014-02-20 01:45:35 AM  

farkingismybusiness: Kit Fister: With grenades, there's generally not a hell of a lot of time to react due to the fuse.  Kicking, throwing, whatever...your best bet is to find a shield, or just try to keep it from taking everyone else out.


This one's for you, Kaiser Bill. Special delivery from Uncle Sam and all the boys in D Company. Yeah, Johnny, Harris, Brooklyn Bob, and Reggie. Yeah, even Reggie. He ain't so stuck up once you get to know him...


This is the only Simpsons reference? Shame
 
2014-02-20 01:47:54 AM  

Daedalus27: Langdon_777: That wasn't a grenade. Most of the people surrounding that would be dead if it was a grenade.

It is a grenade, not a nuclear weapon.   A small amount of high explosives in a steel container that fragments.  It isn't designed to kill as much as it is designed to wound (depends on the type exactly and amount of explosive/container).  The dead don't require anything until after a fight, but the wounded require soldiers to treat them taking them away from fighting.


Ok but if it was a grenade then he would be dead, not just suffering leg wounds.
 
2014-02-20 02:12:53 AM  

Huskadoodle: Gyrfalcon: His failure was his FOOT was blown HALF off, I think.

My point being he could have avioded that but chose to try and evacutate the explosive device.


Wait, he swallowed it? I missed that part.
 
2014-02-20 02:44:44 AM  

Langdon_777: Daedalus27: Langdon_777: That wasn't a grenade. Most of the people surrounding that would be dead if it was a grenade.

It is a grenade, not a nuclear weapon.   A small amount of high explosives in a steel container that fragments.  It isn't designed to kill as much as it is designed to wound (depends on the type exactly and amount of explosive/container).  The dead don't require anything until after a fight, but the wounded require soldiers to treat them taking them away from fighting.

Ok but if it was a grenade then he would be dead, not just suffering leg wounds.


Obviously not as he survived the blast.  It all depends on if and where the shrapnel enters the foot and leg and if arteries, veins, and nerves are damaged (if at all) as well as the likely medical assistance nearby able to stabilize and transport the victims quickly to receive treatment to avoid them having to go into shock and replenish any blood loss. By the boot (assuming the foot isn't in it) absorbing the blast and flying off, that may have prevented more damage from being focused on the police officers foot and leg as well as wearing the shin guards common in riot gear. It wasn't a bare foot and leg taking the hit as that material and gear is designed to absorb impacts less severe than explosive blasts.  People can survive pretty horrific looking wounds and die from something minor looking ones.  It all depends on the individual, the exact wound placement, treatment availability, and luck.
 
2014-02-20 03:11:59 AM  

89 Stick-Up Kid: farkingismybusiness: Kit Fister: With grenades, there's generally not a hell of a lot of time to react due to the fuse.  Kicking, throwing, whatever...your best bet is to find a shield, or just try to keep it from taking everyone else out.


This one's for you, Kaiser Bill. Special delivery from Uncle Sam and all the boys in D Company. Yeah, Johnny, Harris, Brooklyn Bob, and Reggie. Yeah, even Reggie. He ain't so stuck up once you get to know him...

This is the only Simpsons reference? Shame


I couldn't find a pic of Abe putting his helmet on the grenade.
 
2014-02-20 04:32:24 AM  

phlegmmo: Bet he's kicking himself now -- or trying anyway.


Thanks for the late night lulz.
 
2014-02-20 05:31:29 AM  
www.imfdb.org
 
2014-02-20 07:16:07 AM  
If they lob a greande, just walk away dude - just walk away.

/oops, sorry
 
2014-02-20 08:09:51 AM  

Gyrfalcon: His failure was his FOOT was blown HALF off, I think.


So he has a foot and six inches now?

Langdon_777: That wasn't a grenade. Most of the people surrounding that would be dead if it was a grenade.


That's kind of what I was thinking. As grenades *generally* have a kill radius of 5 meters and an injury radius of 15 meters (with some fragments going out as far as 200? meters). I would think that if it were a professionaly made grenade he'd have a face full of shrapnel. But it could also be pure luck and whatever body protection they were using as well.

Kit Fister: With grenades, there's generally not a hell of a lot of time to react due to the fuse.  Kicking, throwing, whatever...your best bet is to find a shield, or just try to keep it from taking everyone else out.


The US M67 has a fuse of 4-5 seconds (Is it 4? Is it 5? Who knows! Guessing is fun!). If you're quick you can scoop the grenade up and toss it back before things get explodey. That's why soldiers are taught to 'cook' the grenade for a couple of seconds before tossing it. Or when breeching a room to toss it hard at an angle to the wall so it caroms around and makes it hard to grab.

So if you are just standing around, minding your own business on the battlefield, and a grenade lands nearby, kicking it away isn't a bad idea (though when it comes to grenades, there really arn't any good ideas, other than don't fark with it in the first place). Or you could dive behind something if there is no one else to worry about. If you're in a foxhole, you would usualy dig a grenade sump to either side to kick the grenade into so the blast is directed straight up.


CSB:
We were doing grenade training  in basic using training grenades (live fuse so you get the *pop* but no explosives). And I was up on my first throw. I've never been the most sports oriented person so I knew my throw distance wasn't going to be great. But I farked that one up bad. I sort of forgot to let go and I ended up spiking the grenade at my feet. The drill sergeant was looking for the grenade to go sailing through the air, looks back to me, looks at the grenade at my feet, then *pop*. Then he just stares at me for about 10 seconds. Very quietly he says "Go. Just go to the next station and don't come back here."
 
2014-02-20 08:28:51 AM  
Okay, I didn't think I'd have to explain this on Fark of all places, but since there seems to be some confusion...

A grenade is not live when you pull the  pin.  A grenade becomes live when you pull the  lever(aka spoon).  The pin is what keeps the lever attached to the grenade.
Here's a handy reference pic:

upload.wikimedia.org

That being said, I highly doubt these guys had access to grenades, or he would have lost his foot, which apparently he didn't.  More likely it was an improvised explosive that someone threw.
 
2014-02-20 09:01:36 AM  

AgentKGB: Resident Muslim: Talk to people who have been in the military and went through grenade training and you just might hear some hair-raising stories.

My favorite is the guy who pulled the pin and threw....the pin.
Yeah. I'm sure that was a w-t-h moment for the instructor.

When my brother was about a month into Basic Training they marched over to this area in the woods they had set up for grenade training. They had an old beat-up tank in the middle of this clearing and they were hunkered down behind sandbags and taught to throw grenades at the tank. One guy pulled the pin, went to throw his and it slid right out of his hand. Their CO yelled at them to get the fark down as he kicked the grenade as far as he could.


I don't know if it is the same everywhere, but at Ft. Benning when you do grenade training you mostly use dummy grenades.  There is a course through the woods, with various situations (a trench you want to toss the grenade in front of so it rolls in, a bunker you are supposed to 'cook' the grenade for 2 seconds before tossing it in, etc) but you are using a solid metal grenade that has the same size/weight dimensions as the real deal, and has all the pins you need, and even ahs a blasting cap inside which is basically a big ass firecracker and WILL fark your hand up if you are holding it, but there is no massive C4 ka-boom and shrapnel.  This is most likely what the instructor kicked away.

The only live grenades you got to toss had a very long, very thorough lead up and lecture about exactly what was going to happen, and what would happen if some privatey-private farked it up.  You throw the grenade from a foxhole about waist deep, and there is an instructor in the hole with you.  If something goes wrong and you drop the grenade the instructors will 1. jump out of the hole and 2. grab your dumbass and pull you out, in that order.  They did not fark around with live explosives.

/Qualified expert
//Threw the live grenade a long farking way
/Last one I ever threw
 
2014-02-20 04:45:41 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: AgentKGB: Resident Muslim: Talk to people who have been in the military and went through grenade training and you just might hear some hair-raising stories.

My favorite is the guy who pulled the pin and threw....the pin.
Yeah. I'm sure that was a w-t-h moment for the instructor.

When my brother was about a month into Basic Training they marched over to this area in the woods they had set up for grenade training. They had an old beat-up tank in the middle of this clearing and they were hunkered down behind sandbags and taught to throw grenades at the tank. One guy pulled the pin, went to throw his and it slid right out of his hand. Their CO yelled at them to get the fark down as he kicked the grenade as far as he could.

I don't know if it is the same everywhere, but at Ft. Benning when you do grenade training you mostly use dummy grenades.  There is a course through the woods, with various situations (a trench you want to toss the grenade in front of so it rolls in, a bunker you are supposed to 'cook' the grenade for 2 seconds before tossing it in, etc) but you are using a solid metal grenade that has the same size/weight dimensions as the real deal, and has all the pins you need, and even ahs a blasting cap inside which is basically a big ass firecracker and WILL fark your hand up if you are holding it, but there is no massive C4 ka-boom and shrapnel.  This is most likely what the instructor kicked away.

The only live grenades you got to toss had a very long, very thorough lead up and lecture about exactly what was going to happen, and what would happen if some privatey-private farked it up.  You throw the grenade from a foxhole about waist deep, and there is an instructor in the hole with you.  If something goes wrong and you drop the grenade the instructors will 1. jump out of the hole and 2. grab your dumbass and pull you out, in that order.  They did not fark around with live explosives.

/Qualified expert
//Threw the live grenade a long farking way
/Last on ...


They could use that training in China:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDpOawqg5i4
 
2014-02-20 08:11:41 PM  

MythDragon: We were doing grenade training  in basic using training grenades (live fuse so you get the *pop* but no explosives). And I was up on my first throw. I've never been the most sports oriented person so I knew my throw distance wasn't going to be great. But I farked that one up bad. I sort of forgot to let go and I ended up spiking the grenade at my feet. The drill sergeant was looking for the grenade to go sailing through the air, looks back to me, looks at the grenade at my feet, then *pop*. Then he just stares at me for about 10 seconds. Very quietly he says "Go. Just go to the next station and don't come back here."


Resident Muslim: Instructors who give live grenade training:
1) are extremely brave
2) have amazing willpower to not kill someone who manages to mess up the simple process of pull-throw


RM, that is most true thing I have ever read.  They are a little crazy IMHO.  To this day I have never been as straight up scared as I was when throwing my two live grenades and I've come close to killing myself by mischief or misadventure more than once.  My personal terror was that I might milk the grenade.

On my first throw I was concentrating on doing everything correctly and getting that damn thing away from me my brain was creaking.  So I'm up on position, ready to go.  And by the numbers it was:
"Ready grenade!"
Ready snug in both hands against my chest.
"Remove safety!"
Pulled the safety pin, seriously scared now but concentrating on the drill.
"Hold Grenade firmly! (short pause) PULL PIN!"
Pulled the pin actively embedding my fingerprints in the grenade body.
"Assume throwing position"
Take up the sort of shot put like stance you are to assume.
And suddenly in this totally relaxed voice, "So, son where are you from?"
My head swiveled back towards him with that I felt was remarkable control.  To this day I can only what my face must have looked like.  
"Excuse me?"
"That's excuse me SERGEANT, and it was a simple question son.  Where are you from?"
That moment now defines terror for me because you see at that moment I had no farking clue where I was from.  I was so focused on the drill and this lunatic talking to me that my brain could not drag it back to me.
After what seemed like an eternity "M,M,M,Mi,Min, MINNESOTA SERGEANT!"  He looked me in the eyes for a second (day/week/eternity) and laughed.
"Ok son,(snicker) PREPARE TO THROW!" and on with the drill.
When I got back to the pit the guys asked my "hey creeper, what was going on when he held you on the throw?"
"I don't want to farking talk about it!"

Seraphym: They could use that training in China:


Bullshiat! That is a damn fine training hole layout even if it a little different and that is farking EXCELLENT cadre there.  He might be chinese but this old soldier would buy him a beer in a moment. Trainees wiff the throws from time to time.  Always have always, always will.  But that trainers handling was flawless.
 
2014-02-20 08:13:49 PM  

fst_creeper: can only what my face


on good days I even imagine
 
2014-02-20 08:38:44 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: The only live grenades you got to toss had a very long, very thorough lead up and lecture about exactly what was going to happen, and what would happen if some privatey-private farked it up. You throw the grenade from a foxhole about waist deep, and there is an instructor in the hole with you. If something goes wrong and you drop the grenade the instructors will 1. jump out of the hole and 2. grab your dumbass and pull you out, in that order. They did not fark around with live explosives.


Our DS said "If you fark this up and drop the grenade , I am only required to make one attempt to save you. If I go to grab you and you pull back, that's it, I'm going over the sandbag wall without you. Now if you suddenly decide you don't want to die, grab on to the back of my jacket because it sure as shait ain't gonna slow me down."

When it came time to toss the live grenade I won't lie, I was pretty damn scared. As soon as it left my hand I was on the ground. I didn't know where it landed and I didn't care since it wasn't in the pit with me. I wanted nothing further to do with that thing once I pulled the pin. I didn't even pop the spoon and *then* throw like you see in the movies.  The spoon went flying with the grenade.
 
2014-02-20 08:44:09 PM  
I had to click the "speed skater forgets she isn't wearing underwear" link?
 
Al!
2014-02-20 08:47:03 PM  
One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble...
 
2014-02-20 08:59:35 PM  

Seraphym: They could use that training in China: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDpOawqg5i4


Yeah, that's how I understood grenade training to be conducted--no matter where the grenade lands there's a safe spot for the instructor and the trainee.
 
2014-02-20 11:35:18 PM  
When I did grenade training in the National Guard, we practiced with practice grenades as mentioned previously. For the live grenade training, we threw from a bunker that had a 6' deep trench all the way around on the inside. If we dropped the grenade, we were to kick it into the trench and hunker down. Me and another trainee (a cute chick) did our grenade tosses and then we noticed a black widow spider in the corner of the bunker. She freaked and grabbed onto me like you'd see in a horror movie.

/CSB
//if I'd gone to the CAV ball a few mo later, could have hit it
///3 slashes for my Stetson wearing brothers and sisters
 
2014-02-21 09:44:05 AM  

fst_creeper: MythDragon:

Bullshiat! That is a damn fine training hole layout even if it a little different and that is farking EXCELLENT cadre there.  He might be chinese but this old soldier would buy him a beer in a moment. Trainees wiff the throws from time to time.  Always have always, always will.


Whoa, you need to adjust your fuse length, dude, I was referring to the underlined training below in the text I quoted from my_cats_breath...

... at Ft. Benning when you do grenade training you mostly use dummy grenades.  There is a course through the woods,with various situations (a trench you want to toss the grenade in front of so it rolls in, a bunker you are supposed to 'cook' the grenade for 2 seconds before tossing it in, etc) but you are using a solid metal grenade that has the same size/weight dimensions as the real deal, and has all the pins you need, and even ahs a blasting cap inside which is basically a bigass firecracker and WILL fark your hand up if you are holding it, but there is no massive C4 ka-boom and shrapnel. This is most likely what the instructor kicked away.

The only live grenades you got to toss had a very long, very thorough lead up and lecture aboutexactly what was going to happen, and what would happen if some privatey-private farked it up.


And then I made a joke about that Chinese trainee needing that training, since that's a viral video and frankly I was surprised it hadn't been posted here yet.  Where did you even get that I was referring to that Chinese instructor?

Next time try keeping the pin in until you're absolutely sure you need to throw.
 
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