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2014-02-19 03:15:20 PM
 
2014-02-19 03:16:02 PM
Until they get eaten by bloodthirsty clowns in the sewer, anyway
 
2014-02-19 04:00:27 PM
I work with IT people, and I'll have you know their kids are also very ugly so it balances out.
 
2014-02-19 04:45:15 PM
If IT was so smart then why can't they make a website work?  I'm looking at you *buffering*
 
2014-02-19 04:50:48 PM
Yeah, in Australia. Where I work the admin support is smarter, and that's sad.

/IT
 
2014-02-19 04:53:05 PM
When I first started -- in the era of mainframes -- when there was a big ass system crash and we had an hour or so to kill, we (programmers) would hit the local bookstore. Whose owner said that computer nerds were his biggest customers for anything other than romance novels.

(Romance novels were big in the 70s.)

/Why, yes, my kids are brilliant.
//Smarter than me anyway.
 
2014-02-19 04:54:14 PM
Wait--you're telling me that IT people actually have sex?  I call bullshiat.
 
2014-02-19 04:58:06 PM
My kids know binary and how to set unix file permissions. I intend to turn them in to full fledged unix sys admins so that when I "work from home" I can outsource to them.

If this assures they don't get laid till college double win!
 
2014-02-19 04:58:17 PM

Cyberluddite: Wait--you're telling me that IT people actually have sex? I call bullshiat.


They could all be adopted. In fact, I'm almost certain of it.

The kids are probably always being told to RTFM. That would explain them reading at six grades above their level.
 
2014-02-19 04:58:22 PM

Cyberluddite: Wait--you're telling me that IT people actually have sex?  I call bullshiat.


Hey, now. They prefer more high-tech solutions like in-vitro.
 
2014-02-19 05:01:14 PM
I wonder if this should go on my dating profile.
 
2014-02-19 05:04:46 PM
I remember the moment in high school when I realized that even though I was smarter than my girlfriend, she was in most other ways a better person than me.  So there is that.

//Not IT
 
2014-02-19 05:05:04 PM

the801: the most autistic kids, too.


I've got this perception of Autism being a condition defined by being over-wired for pre-frontal cortex thinking, at the cost of important things. 
My prediction comes with a side effect test clause: the biotech that leads to in-utero prevention of Autism will also allow for intelligence boosting gene therapy.
 
2014-02-19 05:06:12 PM
Eh, Australia's smartest kids, kind of a lower bar there.

/Hides from angry fosters-wielding kangaroos or whatever.

jst3p: My kids know binary


"Know binary"... like, what, memorizing ASCII numeric codes, or just how to write numbers in the notation?  Because even shiatty US public schools cover writing things in different bases in the mid-elementary-school math classes, so that's not really that impressive.  And if it's the ASCII thing that's not so much impressive as amazingly useless.
 
2014-02-19 05:08:03 PM

kid_icarus: I work with IT people, and I'll have you know their kids are also very ugly so it balances out.


That's why we marry trophy wives who balance that out. We get mostly brilliant kids who look good as the result.
 
2014-02-19 05:08:40 PM
Well, its an IT nature to figure stuff out on your own.... so it makes sense they'd raise their kids the same.
 
2014-02-19 05:09:05 PM

Jim_Callahan: Eh, Australia's smartest kids, kind of a lower bar there.

/Hides from angry fosters-wielding kangaroos or whatever.

jst3p: My kids know binary

"Know binary"... like, what, memorizing ASCII numeric codes, or just how to write numbers in the notation?  Because even shiatty US public schools cover writing things in different bases in the mid-elementary-school math classes, so that's not really that impressive.  And if it's the ASCII thing that's not so much impressive as amazingly useless.


Now, if it were EBCDIC ... that would be a different story.

/Like knowing your 360 green card.
 
2014-02-19 05:11:11 PM
People who work in "IT, engineering or business."

So basically people who make a lot of money have kids that do well in school. Imagine that.
 
2014-02-19 05:13:43 PM
I dunno. My son just turned 9 and he prefers Emacs to vi. I figure he should know better by this age.
 
2014-02-19 05:14:53 PM
They all float, too.
 
2014-02-19 05:16:08 PM

Jim_Callahan: "Know binary"... like, what, memorizing ASCII numeric codes, or just how to write numbers in the notation?  Because even shiatty US public schools cover writing things in different bases in the mid-elementary-school math classes, so that's not really that impressive.


Convert binary to base 10 and back. Schools may cover it but how many kids can do it the following year? None of my kids friends can, and we have a pretty good school system here.

I agree it isn't THAT impressive, but it's a start. If my daughter becomes a competent female IT geek she can almost literally pick where she wants to work.
 
2014-02-19 05:20:47 PM

Jim_Callahan: Eh, Australia's smartest kids, kind of a lower bar there.

/Hides from angry fosters-wielding kangaroos or whatever.

jst3p: My kids know binary

"Know binary"... like, what, memorizing ASCII numeric codes, or just how to write numbers in the notation?  Because even shiatty US public schools cover writing things in different bases in the mid-elementary-school math classes, so that's not really that impressive.  And if it's the ASCII thing that's not so much impressive as amazingly useless.


Perhaps they can do arithmetic operations in binary, which would be more impressive. Not very many people know how to do division with binary numbers.
 
2014-02-19 05:23:00 PM

ikanreed: I've got this perception of Autism being a condition defined by being over-wired for pre-frontal cortex thinking, at the cost of important things.


Autism is a mental problem mostly associated with an inability or limited ability to develop language, basically an issue where your brain fails to grasp things like abstraction and communication at a functional level.

It has nothing to do with things like fundamental problem-solving ability (apart from problems whose solutions rely on communication, obviously), and autistic kids have the same range of abilities in non-communications frameworks as anyone else.  They aren't magic retards or whatever you seem to be thinking, the suck at math and rote tasks and so on at exactly the same rate as more eloquent people.

There's sometimes the  illusion that they have elevated abilities, but that's not actually a characteristic of the autistic, it's a bug in the  observer's reasoning-- we naturally associate eloquence with intelligence, and naturally attend the unexpected as a potential threat.  So when someone severely lacking in eloquence demonstrates (completely typical) facility with some other task, our brains flag it as unusual and start obsessively tracking it essentially on the assumption that they're  up to something... which your conscious mind subsequently translates as them being cleverer than normal.

Basically, people think Autism gives people superpowers for the same reason the Unspeaking Holy Man scam works-- if you don't usually say anything, the things you  do say are unconsciously flagged as unusual and tallied disproportionately to the rest of your behavior, and you come off as  wise.  "Being There" was something verging on a documentary with the actual finger-pointing removed.

// The first paragraph is pretty much how Autism is actually "defined".  Which is sort of the reason that diagnosing it in early childhood results in an epidemic of overdiagnosis-- very young children don't have communications skills because  they aren't supposed to, they develop in year 2 or later.
 
2014-02-19 05:23:27 PM
On the other hand, my Liberal Arts sister's kids learned how to yell "check your privilege!" every time something didn't go their way by the time they were 7.
 
2014-02-19 05:24:20 PM

jst3p: Jim_Callahan: "Know binary"... like, what, memorizing ASCII numeric codes, or just how to write numbers in the notation?  Because even shiatty US public schools cover writing things in different bases in the mid-elementary-school math classes, so that's not really that impressive.

Convert binary to base 10 and back. Schools may cover it but how many kids can do it the following year? None of my kids friends can, and we have a pretty good school system here.

I agree it isn't THAT impressive, but it's a start. If my daughter becomes a competent female IT geek she can almost literally pick where she wants to work.


So does she like India or China better?
 
2014-02-19 05:26:47 PM
Meanwhile, my mom has a masters in economics and I suspect my dad has a GED he earned while I was in diapers. I'm left to wonder about things sometimes. Like, was I just an accessory?
 
2014-02-19 05:31:29 PM

wildcardjack: Meanwhile, my mom has a masters in economics and I suspect my dad has a GED he earned while I was in diapers. I'm left to wonder about things sometimes. Like, was I just an accessory?


From this we can be reasonably sure your dad knows how to lay the pipe.
 
2014-02-19 05:37:32 PM
Its cultural, not genetic.... Same reason why Asian kids are good at math... its because their parents drilled it into them, not because their brain is more able to grasp it.
 
2014-02-19 05:38:19 PM

Jim_Callahan: Eh, Australia's smartest kids, kind of a lower bar there.

/Hides from angry fosters-wielding kangaroos or whatever.

jst3p: My kids know binary

"Know binary"... like, what, memorizing ASCII numeric codes, or just how to write numbers in the notation?  Because even shiatty US public schools cover writing things in different bases in the mid-elementary-school math classes, so that's not really that impressive.  And if it's the ASCII thing that's not so much impressive as amazingly useless.


As far as I'm aware, most schools have stopped even mentioning that bases other than ten exist, let alone teaching how to convert between them. My school certainly didn't and I went to a pretty decent one as far as public schools go.
 
2014-02-19 05:40:37 PM

Raoul Eaton: I remember the moment in high school when I realized that even though I was smarter than my girlfriend, she was in most other ways a better person than me.  So there is that.

//Not IT


Her tits were way better than yours.
 
2014-02-19 05:41:30 PM

Cyberluddite: Wait--you're telling me that IT people actually have sex?  I call bullshiat.


Nerd love is a real thing.  Real and really ugly.
 
2014-02-19 05:41:45 PM

T.rex: Its cultural, not genetic.... Same reason why Asian kids are good at math... its because their parents drilled it into them, not because their brain is more able to grasp it.


You sound dumb.
 
2014-02-19 05:43:45 PM

jst3p: Jim_Callahan: "Know binary"... like, what, memorizing ASCII numeric codes, or just how to write numbers in the notation?  Because even shiatty US public schools cover writing things in different bases in the mid-elementary-school math classes, so that's not really that impressive.

Convert binary to base 10 and back. Schools may cover it but how many kids can do it the following year? None of my kids friends can, and we have a pretty good school system here.

I agree it isn't THAT impressive, but it's a start. If my daughter becomes a competent female IT geek she can almost literally pick where she wants to work.


meh.. print out a subnet mask to CIDR to binary chart (along with associated number of host addresses for each mask) and call it a day. As long as you conceptually understand what bits are and how they're used, I don't know why you'd really need to know binary beyond that.

I hope my daughters consider a career in IT or programming, I think these are solid 21st century skill sets. I will certainly encourage these topics, as much as a father can interest their children in such things anyway.
 
2014-02-19 05:44:27 PM
Just who do think designs and builds the computerized intelligence testing and scoring systems? (and why has there been a rise in questions involving binary and octal?)
 
2014-02-19 05:45:14 PM

baconbeard: I dunno. My son just turned 9 and he prefers Emacs to vi. I figure he should know better by this age.


what do you plan to do? you don't want the other kids to make fun of him
 
2014-02-19 05:47:42 PM

baconbeard: I dunno. My son just turned 9 and he prefers Emacs to vi. I figure he should know better by this age.


Nonsense, he's just showing a dinosaur the power of a *real* editor.

/I actually had to show someone how to do basic editing in Emacs today- Omeka install needed the db.ini edited.
//What, you honestly think trying to explain vi to someone who's never used a non-WYSIWYG editor is a good idea?
 
2014-02-19 05:48:06 PM
I'm guessing those kids' condescension scores are off the charts as well.

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2014-02-19 05:50:27 PM

baconbeard: T.rex: Its cultural, not genetic.... Same reason why Asian kids are good at math... its because their parents drilled it into them, not because their brain is more able to grasp it.

You sound dumb.


Well, i don't know math, i'll give you that, and its because my parents never drilled it into me, which lends credence to my point.... I'm stellar at English, though, because they had me reading at age 2.   'Intelligence', and the criteria used to measure it, are all based on components that can be learned by most anyone.

The ability to learn and memorize facts might indicate intelligence, but it doesn't make one intelligent, in an of itself.
 
2014-02-19 05:52:15 PM

jst3p: wildcardjack: Meanwhile, my mom has a masters in economics and I suspect my dad has a GED he earned while I was in diapers. I'm left to wonder about things sometimes. Like, was I just an accessory?

From this we can be reasonably sure your dad knows how to lay the pipe.


As joking as you think you are, he was working in a plumbing supply store when they met, and she was coding in COBOL at the time... It wasn't until I was very adult to see how unusual my parents were and are. My mom makes so much money their taxes are greater than his income as a machinist. At root I fear my dad's an idiot and my mother fell for the first man that said he loved her. Hmm, I need to write this as a love story and sell it under a pseudonym.
 
2014-02-19 05:54:25 PM

wildcardjack: jst3p: wildcardjack: Meanwhile, my mom has a masters in economics and I suspect my dad has a GED he earned while I was in diapers. I'm left to wonder about things sometimes. Like, was I just an accessory?

From this we can be reasonably sure your dad knows how to lay the pipe.

As joking as you think you are, he was working in a plumbing supply store when they met, and she was coding in COBOL at the time... It wasn't until I was very adult to see how unusual my parents were and are. My mom makes so much money their taxes are greater than his income as a machinist. At root I fear my dad's an idiot and my mother fell for the first man that said he loved her. Hmm, I need to write this as a love story and sell it under a pseudonym.


Or maybe your mom was told "If you get a man who really knows how to lay the pipe, keep him!" and she took it too literally. Is her mom or are her older sisters sexually dissatisfied?
 
2014-02-19 06:00:53 PM

T.rex: Well, its an IT nature to figure stuff out on your own.... so it makes sense they'd raise their kids the same.


No kidding.  If only more parents told their crotchfruit to RTFM before asking a question, we'd have less needy wusses in the country.
 
2014-02-19 07:19:46 PM

jst3p: wildcardjack: jst3p: wildcardjack: Meanwhile, my mom has a masters in economics and I suspect my dad has a GED he earned while I was in diapers. I'm left to wonder about things sometimes. Like, was I just an accessory?

From this we can be reasonably sure your dad knows how to lay the pipe.

As joking as you think you are, he was working in a plumbing supply store when they met, and she was coding in COBOL at the time... It wasn't until I was very adult to see how unusual my parents were and are. My mom makes so much money their taxes are greater than his income as a machinist. At root I fear my dad's an idiot and my mother fell for the first man that said he loved her. Hmm, I need to write this as a love story and sell it under a pseudonym.

Or maybe your mom was told "If you get a man who really knows how to lay the pipe, keep him!" and she took it too literally. Is her mom or are her older sisters sexually dissatisfied?


Pipe, cables....close enough.
I had kids with a gamer/artist type. My self an intel and IT background.
Daughter has this thing about taking electronics apart for fun. Figure we'd get her started on photoshop to be a true netizen.

Son will probably be a gamer...I hope to start his Evo training this year.

//if only they weren't prone to be insane like their parents...
 
2014-02-19 07:25:44 PM
Genetics aren't real.... nobody 'inherits' anything... all men are exactly equal, then a certain evil pale skinned majority decides whether they succeed or fail. All men are born with the same potential. Intelligence is derived from culture which is derived from free will, which all men have until white people take it away from you, then it's not your fault.
 
2014-02-19 07:39:59 PM

Sidecrab: Genetics aren't real.... nobody 'inherits' anything... all men are exactly equal, then a certain evil pale skinned majority decides whether they succeed or fail. All men are born with the same potential. Intelligence is derived from culture which is derived from free will, which all men have until white people take it away from you, then it's not your fault.


You sound oppressed.
 
2014-02-19 07:47:21 PM
Yeah, on a computerized test. . .
 
2014-02-19 07:49:01 PM

Baelz: kid_icarus: I work with IT people, and I'll have you know their kids are also very ugly so it balances out.

That's why we marry trophy wives who balance that out. We get mostly brilliant kids who look good as the result.


"participation" badges are hardly trophies.
 
2014-02-19 08:04:05 PM

Epic Fap Session: Sidecrab: Genetics aren't real.... nobody 'inherits' anything... all men are exactly equal, then a certain evil pale skinned majority decides whether they succeed or fail. All men are born with the same potential. Intelligence is derived from culture which is derived from free will, which all men have until white people take it away from you, then it's not your fault.

You sound oppressed.


It's hard out there on a pimp when he was born on third base, and can't convince anyone that he hit a triple.
 
2014-02-19 08:15:53 PM
As a mother of 4 who is an IT geek with and IT geek husband I can attest that my kids are smarter than average.  No big surprise there, though.  Average is pretty stupid.

T.rex: Its cultural, not genetic.... Same reason why Asian kids are good at math... its because their parents drilled it into them, not because their brain is more able to grasp it.


This I'm less sure of.  I have 3 kids who don't give a crap about math, and one (who is four) who loves it and has been adding numbers for the last year.  Her twin brother picks up on some of it because we talk to her about it, but she's the one asking the questions and trying to figure it all out.  But maybe it's not just math, not very long ago she started showing an interest in reading so we've been working with them on their alphabet and some really basic phonics.  She's doing great and reading some small words already and her brother (again) couldn't care less.  I'd feel bad for him being lost in her shadow except he's got such a big personality he's always the one getting all the attention.  So maybe that's why there's the difference.  I really don't know.
 
2014-02-19 08:23:57 PM

jso2897: Epic Fap Session: Sidecrab: Genetics aren't real.... nobody 'inherits' anything... all men are exactly equal, then a certain evil pale skinned majority decides whether they succeed or fail. All men are born with the same potential. Intelligence is derived from culture which is derived from free will, which all men have until white people take it away from you, then it's not your fault.

You sound oppressed.

It's hard out there on a pimp when he was born on third base, and can't convince anyone that he hit a triple.


Are you saying some people enjoy natural advantages, because that's what I am saying too.
Self delusion is not the path to success.
 
2014-02-19 08:25:18 PM

Delta1212: People who work in "IT, engineering or business."

So basically people who make a lot of money and have had an education have kids that do well in school. Imagine that.


Fixed by addition.
 
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