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(SFGate)   Contractor who built bridge with broken bolts and corrosive water leaks gets exactly what he deserves: A $49,000,000 bonus   (sfgate.com) divider line 77
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2014-02-19 04:41:03 PM  
clearly we need less regulation!
 
2014-02-19 05:13:18 PM  
Remember kids, your equipment is built by the lowest bidder.

Yeah yeah it's roads and bridges, but the saying applies.
 
2014-02-19 05:54:44 PM  
Never mid the shoddy workmanship...these are JOB CREATORS...they need their bonus money because Jesus said so.
 
2014-02-19 07:01:22 PM  
Dammit. All of the good talking points are taken.

I will speak for the average american then.

F*CK WILL SMITH!!
 
2014-02-19 07:01:54 PM  
Chinese supplier, cracked welds on prefab sections, snapped bolts during standard tightening?

I'm going for 15 dead, 225 injured, collapse in 3-5 years.
 
2014-02-19 07:02:01 PM  
Years late, over budget, made of shoddy materials, corroding early due to water issues (during a serious drought no less)... so let's give away $50 million!

Let us totally build high speed rail next! What could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-02-19 07:02:14 PM  

FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!


The problem is this was a Gubment project. Checkmate!
 
2014-02-19 07:03:08 PM  
If we'd just given them the bonus money up front, they could have afforded to not use shoddy bolts and construction practices.
 
2014-02-19 07:04:31 PM  
So bigger government?
 
2014-02-19 07:07:07 PM  
Don't worry, the money will trickle on down right back to the taxpayers!
 
2014-02-19 07:08:09 PM  
I bet the bridge, unlike the contractor, isn't too bug to fail.
 
2014-02-19 07:08:50 PM  
too *big*
 
2014-02-19 07:09:13 PM  
Still not clear on the distinction between the stupid tag and the asinine tag.
 
2014-02-19 07:10:04 PM  
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No, seriously - I'm pissed.

They actually had the nerve to host a big "Mission Accomplished" grand opening.
They should have hung a big sign across the bridge that says "We're sorry" and let everyone cross for free for 5 years, bill the contractors and state.
 
2014-02-19 07:10:16 PM  

Thingster: Chinese supplier, cracked welds on prefab sections, snapped bolts during standard tightening?

I'm going for 15 dead, 225 injured, collapse in 3-5 years.


But it's a nice shiny new bridge!  This is what matters.

\Also, the time frame is right, I think, but your other numbers are low by about 20%.  I'd take that bet, but I'm too poor.
 
2014-02-19 07:10:43 PM  
did the construction firm or supplier have something like 'zhen' or 'hua' in the name? that might be your problem.
 
2014-02-19 07:11:20 PM  
The bonuses were less than 1% the total project cost and (according to TFA anyway) was paid for having completed by Labor Day and for instituting an accelerated work schedule (overtime and additional subs presumably).

Sounds like they're backing their work on the failed parts too and will probably eat some of the cost of testing other similar parts.

Hardly an outrage.
 
2014-02-19 07:11:57 PM  
Pretty standard, give the bonus because they met the deals of the contract. Then sue them later for the shody work so the lawyers have something to do.

/then give them the next contract bid free, ahh governance!
 
2014-02-19 07:11:58 PM  
bunner: I bet the bridge, unlike the contractor, isn't too bug to fail.
bunner: too *big*

Oh, it's bug all right. I guarantee it's bug.
 
2014-02-19 07:12:52 PM  

somemoron: Thingster: Chinese supplier, cracked welds on prefab sections, snapped bolts during standard tightening?

I'm going for 15 dead, 225 injured, collapse in 3-5 years.

But it's a nice shiny new bridge!  This is what matters.

\Also, the time frame is right, I think, but your other numbers are low by about 20%.  I'd take that bet, but I'm too poor.


Only question is when the next big earthquake hits.

You know: The one that razes the entire East Bay and kills millions before letting SF rebuild even cooler than before.

Because that's what'll take it down.
 
2014-02-19 07:12:54 PM  
Thanks Diane Feinstein.

/looks like her Chinese connection paid off.
 
2014-02-19 07:13:23 PM  

bunner: too *big*


I liked it better the way you had it before.
 
2014-02-19 07:13:41 PM  
obviously people are upset by the less than acceptable performance & financial handling of the Bay Bridge project, so.... what do you do? point fingers? strongly worded letter? demand a refund? well, if you're Caltrans Chief Deputy Director Richard Land, why you retire of course.

don't worry, the project will have his "full attention" (chuckles) until April 4th.

man, you fark up that bad cost the state millions (billions?) & you STILL get to retire w/ pension & what not.

http://blog.sfgate.com/matierandross/2014/02/19/caltrans-top-bay-bri dg e-official-will-step-down/
 
2014-02-19 07:14:41 PM  

K3rmy: Dammit. All of the good talking points are taken.

I will speak for the average american then.

F*CK WILL SMITH!!


Yeah, ok!
...

Oh, you didn't mean that literally.
 
2014-02-19 07:14:42 PM  

2BuckChuck: No, seriously - I'm pissed.

They actually had the nerve to host a big "Mission Accomplished" grand opening.
They should have hung a big sign across the bridge that says "We're sorry" and let everyone cross for free for 5 years, bill the contractors and state.


Dont worry. They will have to hike the Bay Bridge fares to pay for more bonuses, possibly fix the supposedly improved bridge.

/signature span! Just look at the Willie & Willie special! Aint it pretty?
 
2014-02-19 07:14:46 PM  
I'd guess the Union got a lot more than that.

/not the same as the workers
 
2014-02-19 07:14:55 PM  
Why don't we all just march up to to DC, yank our trousers down, stick our asses towards congress and chant, "JUST GET IT OVER WITH" until they mace us?'It'd probably be worth the grief just to watch the monkeys try and spin it on TeeVee.
 
2014-02-19 07:21:11 PM  
Cheapest bid and Chinese construction. See them both in "Bay Bridge Disaster 2"
 
2014-02-19 07:21:27 PM  
What a great country. Millions sloshing around so sooner or later we all may get a piece of the action. or not.
 
2014-02-19 07:25:20 PM  

volodya: What a great country. Millions sloshing around so sooner or later we all may get a piece of the action. or not.


No no, you have to have a few million to begin with. No 'temporarily embarrassed millionaires' allowed.
 
2014-02-19 07:30:36 PM  

volodya: What a great country. Millions sloshing around so sooner or later we all may get a piece of the action. or not.


You just framed the whole con in solid unobtanium.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-02-19 07:34:06 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: because Jesus said so


LOL, WUT?

Go home SCS, you're drunk.
 
2014-02-19 07:39:46 PM  
Now they have a bridge to sell us.
 
2014-02-19 07:40:21 PM  
And when this bridge falls down and people are on it, falling into the water, terrified. he'll get more money to "consult" is repairing it.  Our country is now nothing more than a pack of mobsters.  And the punchline?  We already know it, but hey, they haven't broken into MY garage yet.
 
2014-02-19 07:40:46 PM  

FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!


..................and more Government!
 
2014-02-19 07:44:05 PM  

bmr68: Cheapest bid and Chinese construction. See them both in "Bay Bridge Disaster 2"


Chinese Fire Drill
 
2014-02-19 07:44:21 PM  
Anyone seen the Mothman yet?
 
2014-02-19 07:45:31 PM  

legion_of_doo: Years late, over budget, made of shoddy materials, corroding early due to water issues (during a serious drought no less)... so let's give away $50 million!

Let us totally build high speed rail next! What could possibly go wrong?


Construction was only 2% over the final cost estimate before construction started. The cost skyrocketed because the "signature span" is a unique design never build anywhere else.

High speed rail is established, stable technology.
 Off-the-shelf trainsets, standard construction techniques.  There is literally nothing in the project that isn't exactly the same as thousands of miles of high-speed rail worldwide.

And the first construction bid came in something like 25% below estimates. I'd say that bodes well for the project as a whole.
 
2014-02-19 07:48:17 PM  

Enigmamf: The cost skyrocketed because the "signature span" is a unique design never build anywhere else.


And hoo boy, is THAT ever just a sparkling example of graft meeting engineering!
 
2014-02-19 07:48:20 PM  

MFAWG: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

The problem is this was a Gubment project. Checkmate!


It was still a private contractor that performed the work.

It is incredibly difficult to fires contractor for shoddy performance once it has been awarded.

These sitiation will continue to occur till something changes regarding the lowest bidder mentality. Need a rating system for contractors based on performance but I'm sure that can be corrupted with bribes anyways.
 
2014-02-19 07:50:02 PM  

legion_of_doo: Years late, over budget, made of shoddy materials, corroding early due to water issues (during a serious drought no less)... so let's give away $50 million!

Let us totally build high speed rail next! What could possibly go wrong?


img.fark.net
 
2014-02-19 07:51:18 PM  

Coastalgrl: Need a rating system for contractors based on performance but I'm sure that can be corrupted with bribes anyways.


I don't know why they don't check Angie's List  first.
 
2014-02-19 07:51:41 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Remember kids, your equipment is built by the lowest bidder.

Yeah yeah it's roads and bridges, but the saying applies.


Lowest bidder until they start modding the crap out of the contract.

I know how this works.  It's a racket.
 
2014-02-19 07:53:15 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: If we'd just given them the bonus money up front, they could have afforded to not use shoddy bolts and construction practices.


Bless your heart.
 
2014-02-19 07:55:21 PM  
Now that is a bridge scandal!
 
2014-02-19 08:00:24 PM  

bunner: Enigmamf: The cost skyrocketed because the "signature span" is a unique design never build anywhere else.

And hoo boy, is THAT ever just a sparkling example of graft meeting engineering!


I'd say "Civic Pride", but hey, whatever floats your boat!
 
2014-02-19 08:10:50 PM  

FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!


For trolling value this was done by the "progressive" California government.

 The amount of regulation on the books is impressive. The government lets contractors of all order, I come from an IT standpoint, run projects into the ground with very little oversight. Its not about more regulation but people that are supposed to monitor the project, actually doing their work. Just look up Fi$Cal or Covered California or even the Affordable Care Act website.

Its not a regulatory or political party issue since at all levels of state employ the staff are incompetent at best and corrupt at the worst. This is just a drop in the bucket of the everyday issues that put money to waste and the health and well being of the citizens in danger.
 
2014-02-19 08:14:12 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Never mid the shoddy workmanship...these are JOB CREATORS...they need their bonus money because Jesus said so.


Damn those Republicans that control San Francisco.
 
2014-02-19 08:23:23 PM  
really they outsource work to China?     that annoys me.    if it had been up to me I would have specified in the contract for bid that all parts had to be built in the US.
 
2014-02-19 08:29:51 PM  

Carousel Beast: Sin_City_Superhero: Never mid the shoddy workmanship...these are JOB CREATORS...they need their bonus money because Jesus said so.

Damn those Republicans that control San Francisco.


it's Caltrans not San Fran Trans.  See for yourself, try googling San Fran trans
 
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