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(Daily Express)   Could this 87-year-old Spanish Duchess become the next Queen of Scotland?   (express.co.uk) divider line 125
    More: Interesting, Queen of Scotland, Scotland, queen, Charles I, First Minister Alex Salmond, Queen Anne, Duchess, head of state  
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2014-02-19 11:58:56 PM  
She's one of only two people who can ride their horse into the cathedral in Barcelona (the other is the king). She's one of three people who doesn't have to bow to the pope. With all her titles do come some interesting privileges.
 
2014-02-20 12:00:47 AM  
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2014-02-20 12:13:04 AM  
An actual honest to God Stuart? HA!
 
2014-02-20 12:20:41 AM  

what_now: DamnYankees: No. Why would they not keep Queen Elizabeth?

How long do you have?

Basically, the Kings of England have farked with Scotland for a thousand years. Henry the II tried to wipe out the entire boarder- you've seen Braveheart. Besides the made up romance, it's pretty accurate. Henry the...(fourth? I think?) captured the children and wives of the Scottish barons and murdered and raped them- in that order. Others, he hung from cages outside for YEARS.

Henry the 7th married his daughter off to the Stuart king, and then invaded. Henry's Granddaughter Elizabeth executed their Queen (Mary Stuart), and then named Mary's son her heir. So the Scottish Stuarts were now Kings of England.

But a few generations later, the Stuart King decided to be a Catholic, so they kicked him out, and invited his daughter and son in law (William and Mary) to come be King and Queen instead, and when they died, they Hanovers- the current ruling family took over.

A few generations after that, the grandson of that Stuart King tried to invade through Scotland. The British didn't just beat the Scots- they wiped out survivors, women, children, animals and fields. They burned crops, they destroyed buildings.

Google "Culloden". The Scottish aren't happy with the Hanovers (Windsors). There's a reason that when Elizabeth dies, her son will take a name other than "King Charles".


Wait, we're not going to get a Charles III?  The Saxe-Coburg-Gothas have seriously let us down.
 
2014-02-20 12:31:14 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: This lady has turned up on Fark before.
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FARK headline: A young lady of Seville would not think of attending the bullfights at the Maestranza ring without.. OMG WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?


www.slantmagazine.com
 
2014-02-20 12:48:45 AM  
If we look at the practice of other countries- Greece, Norway, etc.- who have found themselves independent and in need of a monarch, then "historical claims" will matter little. What will happen, in the unlikely scenario that Scotland both declares independence and isn't allowed to simply be a Commonwealth Realm like Canada and Australia, is that the Scottish government will find some foreign second-tier royal, or perhaps a native Scottish noble, with a suitably high-enough title or lineage, and whose personality and biography will enable the necessary popularity and non-controversy necessary to install a new monarch. In other words, somebody will be picked by committee and then presented to the public. 

It would be exceptionally silly of David Cameron to say that New Guinea and Barbados and Canada and Australia can have Elizabeth II as their monarch, but Scotland can't. Even if it's held up as a threat preceding the vote, which is likely to fail anyway, I really doubt as a political reality that would be the actual outcome.
 
2014-02-20 01:09:46 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Am I the only one wondering why an independent Scotland would need a monarch of any sort? I get if they stay a Commonwealth realm they'd keep Lizzy Deuce and the wacky Windsors as their royals like Canada or Australia do, but if they're even suggesting going far enough to not answer to that throne, why any?


Because that whole 'let's weed out the legitimate claimants' thing worked so well seven hundred years ago... oh, sorry, they asked King Edward to sort that one out. A few assassinations, a war, that rat bastard the Bruce was crowned, and they ended up part of the British Commonwealth eventually anyway.

Queen Lizzy's not that bad when you consider the alternative is crowning a Spaniard Queen of Scots. And Lizzy is technically in the proper line: without the history lesson, the family name was changed to Windsor in 1917, but it is the royal line for Scotland as well as Britain since the merging of the crowns three hundred years ago. However...the male Balliol line did not die out (and some Scots will still argue the point on that one) and there may be male contenders in the Stuart (properly Stewart) line through legitimate daughters--and civil wars are fun!

The only reason long-name-lady-from-Spain figures in is because of the change to the Commonwealth laws last year because of William's spawn, but if Scotland leaves the Commonwealth, does that law apply?

/Chad's bhios maide anns a' choill cha bhi foill an Cuimeanach
 
2014-02-20 01:11:43 AM  

Tax Boy: [i.imgur.com image 590x700]
The Duchess of Alba married a civil servant 24 years her junior in 2011


Her net worth is almost 3 billion. You know that dude married her for the money!
 
2014-02-20 01:12:53 AM  
So why would the Scots leave the kingdom of a queen they despise to replace her with a foreign queen ? Not going to happen.
 
2014-02-20 01:17:11 AM  

FSTFKL: Plissken: She was smokin hot six decades ago.

She actually wasn't too bad, there are several pictures here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320262/Duchess-Alba-autobio gr aphy-Why-turned-chance-Picassos-muse.html

Honestly, people, she's 87.  No one is expected to look sexy at 87.


No, but Betty White does a passable job of not looking like she's been beat up with an ugly stick repeatedly.
 
2014-02-20 01:27:49 AM  

Mokmo: So why would the Scots leave the kingdom of a queen they despise to replace her with a foreign queen ? Not going to happen.


Why have a queen at all?

As the Scots who live in Scotland (my branch of the family emigrated to Ireland, then to Canada, then to the US) have implied, if it doesn't make a difference in taxes, does it matter what corrupt farkwit ends up in charge? Personally, I'm not a big fan of Majesties and Highnesses and I don't bow as a general rule, regardless of the title a person holds, but Europe seems to have a lot of crowns running around, so more power to 'em.

Still, I can't imagine any country would be like, "sure! Send us the foreigner as Monarch!" That does hurt my brain.
 
2014-02-20 02:35:18 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Am I the only one wondering why an independent Scotland would need a monarch of any sort? I get if they stay a Commonwealth realm they'd keep Lizzy Deuce and the wacky Windsors as their royals like Canada or Australia do, but if they're even suggesting going far enough to not answer to that throne, why any?


Well, Scotland still has its own crown jewels, and technically owns the Stone of Scone - it'd be a shame to waste them.

Otherwise, yeah, gotta agree with you.
 
2014-02-20 03:18:51 AM  
inbreds are wierdos
 
2014-02-20 04:33:48 AM  
Her eyes aren't looking at the same thing... 

Of course that isn't the only thing that is frightening about her, just one of the things.
 
2014-02-20 04:58:20 AM  
And just to complicate matters, both the Stewarts and the Bruces, the traditional Scottish Royal families, were originally Norman.
 
2014-02-20 07:41:53 AM  

cynicalbastard: And just to complicate matters, both the Stewarts and the Bruces, the traditional Scottish Royal families, were originally Norman.


Yup. Macbeth -- libeled horribly by Shakespeare -- was the last truly Celtic king of Scotland.
 
2014-02-20 09:13:07 AM  
The only reason I can think of for this is Scotland's Gaelic name is "Alba."  Otherwise, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 
2014-02-20 09:30:05 AM  
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2014-02-20 10:08:44 AM  

DamnYankees: No. Why would they not keep Queen Elizabeth?


Nae trew Scots?

Also, I thought Ruth Gordon was dead.
 
2014-02-20 11:02:18 AM  
She used to rock the funbags (nsfw)
 
2014-02-20 11:20:59 AM  
Aigoo:

Still, I can't imagine any country would be like, "sure! Send us the foreigner as Monarch!" That does hurt my brain.

Bulgaria, Norway, Sweden*, Denmark, Greece, Romania, and basically any other monarchy that was created in the 1800s and needed a blue-blood ass to fill the new throne.  Germany's greatest export during that time was royalty.  Hell, even the Romanovs were German because they kept marrying German princesses.

"I'm as English as Queen Victoria!"
"So your father's a German, you're half-German and you married a German?"

* - ruled by German noble houses prior to the 1800s, but then they imported one of Napoleon's marshals...who turned around and declared war on France.  His spawn still sit on the Swedish throne today.
 
2014-02-20 03:35:11 PM  

Tillmaster: You do realize that
-    The first King of both Scotland and England was Scottish
-    The Scots initiated the Act of Union (for commercial reasons); it wasn't an English invasion

Sassenachs!


I do! my family coat of arms has three coin purses on it to remind us that we lent the  King of Scotland money and the right bastard stiffed us.
 
2014-02-20 03:38:17 PM  
There can be only One!
schaumburglibrary.org
King of Scotland
 
2014-02-20 07:30:24 PM  
DamnYankees:Not sure how you'd keep the pound if England said no. More likely would be a pegged currency.

Did the Zimbabweans ask US permission when they adopted the dollar?
 
2014-02-20 07:34:01 PM  

WhyteRaven74: She's one of only two people who can ride their horse into the cathedral in Barcelona (the other is the king). She's one of three people who doesn't have to bow to the pope. With all her titles do come some interesting privileges.


Where does it say that I have to bow to the pope? Or am I one of the other two?
 
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