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2014-02-19 10:53:40 AM
In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.
 
2014-02-19 10:58:26 AM

Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.


While a valid point it has nothing to do with the article, Wolf Blitzer's claim, Ted Nugent's statement or Politifact's commentary.
 
2014-02-19 11:03:11 AM
Nonsense

/the Nazis weren't pants sh*tting cowards
 
2014-02-19 11:05:01 AM
Ted's not a Nazi. He's just a farking idiot.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-19 11:16:50 AM

Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.


Cute, but calling people "subhuman mongrels" is actual Nazi rhetoric.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-19 11:17:25 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: Ted's not a Nazi. He's just a farking idiot.


So were Nazis in many ways.
 
2014-02-19 11:53:50 AM

Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.


So, you didn't read the article then?  I only assume that because your statement doesn't contradict or even address a single point put forth in it.
 
2014-02-19 11:56:33 AM

vpb: Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.

Cute, but calling people "subhuman mongrels" is actual Nazi rhetoric.


Hey!  Look who didn't read TFA!

They say it was, but go on and on about how, really, when you look at it, the Nazis never, ever used the phrase.

Untermensch, which means subhuman, they used with regularity.  But, "Mark Roseman, director of the Borns Jewish Studies Program at Indiana University, said the German word for subhuman, untermensch, did not tend to be used by the Nazis in the adjectival form. So the words weren't often used in combination."  The sentiment is there, but the actual phrase wasn't used.  Which is the entire basis of their calling Ted Nugent a Nazi.

I agree with the posters above.  Calling Ted Nugent a Nazi is an insult to Nazis.
 
2014-02-19 12:00:08 PM
He may not be a Nazi per se, but he sure as hell is a racist.
 
2014-02-19 12:02:22 PM

Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.


So if I use thesame dehumanizing rhetoric as the NAZIs I get to say that it isn't the samedehumanizing  rhetoric because "both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This is a non-starter."

That's a bit weird, isn't it?
 
2014-02-19 12:02:33 PM
The Nazis were better guitar players.
 
2014-02-19 12:06:01 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Ted's not a Nazi. He's just a farking idiot.


well a hateful racist idiot to be fair
 
2014-02-19 12:06:24 PM
John Wayne was a Nazi.
 
2014-02-19 12:06:25 PM
the nazis liked ice cream

ted nugent likes ice cream

blitzer: 1
blitzkrieg: 0
 
2014-02-19 12:06:34 PM
Looks like someone won't be coming back to the thread.
 
2014-02-19 12:07:21 PM

vpb: Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.

Cute, but calling people "subhuman mongrels" is actual Nazi rhetoric.


I'm pretty sure that type of language will get you arrested in Canada under our anti-hate-speech laws.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2014-02-19 12:09:15 PM
I don't know about being a Nazi, but he's an annoying asshole/
 
2014-02-19 12:09:18 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Ted's not a Nazi. He's just a farking idiot.


Why can't it be both? But then so is Abbott.
 
2014-02-19 12:09:22 PM
Wang dang sweet Rhineland.
 
2014-02-19 12:09:49 PM
Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, some flaming arrows would have really jazzed things up a bit.
 
2014-02-19 12:10:46 PM
You know who else was a Nazi?

That's right.  Joseph Goebbels.
 
2014-02-19 12:11:31 PM
As pathetic, ignorant and disgusting as Nugent is, there is always one layer of human scum below that which will draw motivation from his vile racist rhetoric.
 
2014-02-19 12:12:57 PM
I'm encouraged to see republicans being so honest about the genesis of their political philosophy.
 
2014-02-19 12:13:03 PM
I don't think he was knowingly using nazi terminology he was  knowingly using racist terminology.
 
2014-02-19 12:13:25 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: vpb: Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.

Cute, but calling people "subhuman mongrels" is actual Nazi rhetoric.

Hey!  Look who didn't read TFA!

They say it was, but go on and on about how, really, when you look at it, the Nazis never, ever used the phrase.

Untermensch, which means subhuman, they used with regularity.  But, "Mark Roseman, director of the Borns Jewish Studies Program at Indiana University, said the German word for subhuman, untermensch, did not tend to be used by the Nazis in the adjectival form. So the words weren't often used in combination."  The sentiment is there, but the actual phrase wasn't used.  Which is the entire basis of their calling Ted Nugent a Nazi.

I agree with the posters above.  Calling Ted Nugent a Nazi is an insult to Nazis.


So you're saying Ted can't even Nazi right?

// they cancelled board game night at Chez Nugent after the 19th "Yahtzee" mispronunciation
// thanks, Obama
 
2014-02-19 12:13:29 PM
to be fair to ted i call people subhuman mongloids all the time
 
2014-02-19 12:13:45 PM
Ted Nugent doesn't dress that stylishly
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-19 12:13:53 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: vpb: Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.

Cute, but calling people "subhuman mongrels" is actual Nazi rhetoric.

Hey!  Look who didn't read TFA!

They say it was, but go on and on about how, really, when you look at it, the Nazis never, ever used the phrase.

Untermensch, which means subhuman, they used with regularity.  But, "Mark Roseman, director of the Borns Jewish Studies Program at Indiana University, said the German word for subhuman, untermensch, did not tend to be used by the Nazis in the adjectival form. So the words weren't often used in combination."  The sentiment is there, but the actual phrase wasn't used.  Which is the entire basis of their calling Ted Nugent a Nazi.

I agree with the posters above.  Calling Ted Nugent a Nazi is an insult to Nazis.


Are you serious?

"So the words weren't often used in combination" does not mean that the words were never used in combination.  Not that it matters if they were used in combination because both words were used frequently by NAZIs which is the actual basis of for their pointing out that Nugent is a Nazi.

Your reading comprehension needs a bit of work.
 
2014-02-19 12:14:39 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /the Nazis weren't pants sh*tting cowards


They sorta were.  The existential racial fears that drive the "oh god the Jews/Mexicans are invading" and "our race will be wiped out" type logic were definitely there in 1930s Germany.  Just because something is terrifying and dangerous doesn't mean its not scared too.
 
2014-02-19 12:15:11 PM

Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.


In this case, you don't know what the fark you're talking about.
 
2014-02-19 12:15:34 PM

vpb: Not that it matters if they were used in combination because both words were used frequently by NAZIs which is the actual basis of for their pointing out that Nugent is a Nazi.


do you think nietzsche was a nazi?
 
2014-02-19 12:15:44 PM

vpb: Benevolent Misanthrope: vpb: Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.

Cute, but calling people "subhuman mongrels" is actual Nazi rhetoric.

Hey!  Look who didn't read TFA!

They say it was, but go on and on about how, really, when you look at it, the Nazis never, ever used the phrase.

Untermensch, which means subhuman, they used with regularity.  But, "Mark Roseman, director of the Borns Jewish Studies Program at Indiana University, said the German word for subhuman, untermensch, did not tend to be used by the Nazis in the adjectival form. So the words weren't often used in combination."  The sentiment is there, but the actual phrase wasn't used.  Which is the entire basis of their calling Ted Nugent a Nazi.

I agree with the posters above.  Calling Ted Nugent a Nazi is an insult to Nazis.

Are you serious?

"So the words weren't often used in combination" does not mean that the words were never used in combination.  Not that it matters if they were used in combination because both words were used frequently by NAZIs which is the actual basis of for their pointing out that Nugent is a Nazi.

Your reading comprehension needs a bit of work.


He's not going to fark you.
 
2014-02-19 12:16:00 PM
Just because you use a word or phrase another group as used before, doesn't mean that you are a part of that group.

The word "liberal" was based on the word "liberty," which is something modern liberals hate.
 
2014-02-19 12:16:38 PM

sprawl15: vpb: Not that it matters if they were used in combination because both words were used frequently by NAZIs which is the actual basis of for their pointing out that Nugent is a Nazi.

do you think nietzsche was a nazi?


Well the Nazis certainly claimed him.  I think he would have biatch-slapped Goebbels back to the goddamn Middle Ages.
 
2014-02-19 12:16:58 PM

ikanreed: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /the Nazis weren't pants sh*tting cowards

They sorta were.  The existential racial fears that drive the "oh god the Jews/Mexicans are invading" and "our race will be wiped out" type logic were definitely there in 1930s Germany.  Just because something is terrifying and dangerous doesn't mean its not scared too.


He was speaking literal terms.
 
2014-02-19 12:17:13 PM

1derful: Just because you use a word or phrase another group as used before, doesn't mean that you are a part of that group.

The word "liberal" was based on the word "liberty," which is something modern liberals hate.


it was actually based on the word 'library'
 
2014-02-19 12:19:48 PM
Will one of Ted's white knights please explain why he used "mongrel," which means mixed breed, to demean our biracial president? Because that seems to be pretty farking close to advocating for racial purity, particularly when you consider that he apparently considers "mongrels" to be less than fully human.
 
2014-02-19 12:19:53 PM

1derful: Just because you use a word or phrase another group as used before, doesn't mean that you are a part of that group.

The word "liberal" was based on the word "liberty," which is something modern liberals hate.


You know who else didn't read TFA?
 
2014-02-19 12:20:12 PM
You know what else the Nazi's used to justify the genocide of the jewish people?  They called them "bad" people.  According to Wolf Blitzer's logic that means anyone who has ever called anybody else a "bad" guy or person is a Nazi-sympathizer.  It's dopey.  Dear liberals, please stop; you look foolish.  If Nugent is such a terrible person, let him sink or swim on the power of his own words and ideas, not on some tortured attempt to marginalize him through ties to the Nazis.
 
2014-02-19 12:20:19 PM

sprawl15: 1derful: Just because you use a word or phrase another group as used before, doesn't mean that you are a part of that group.

The word "liberal" was based on the word "liberty," which is something modern liberals hate.

it was actually based on the word 'library'


I thought it was a floor wax.
 
2014-02-19 12:20:20 PM

1derful: The word "liberal" was based on the word "liberty," which is something modern liberals hate.


Let us count the ways in which this sentence is spectacularly wrong.
 
2014-02-19 12:20:26 PM

Headso: He was speaking literal terms.


No, he wasn't.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-02-19 12:20:50 PM

1derful: Just because you use a word or phrase another group as used before, doesn't mean that you are a part of that group.

The word "liberal" was based on the word "liberty," which is something modern liberals hate.


Yes, that's why they fight against liberty when conservatives try to promote the liberty to marry who you or religious liberty or things like that.

/Reality is liberal biased.
 
2014-02-19 12:21:40 PM

Poopspasm: Will one of Ted's white knights please explain why he used "mongrel," which means mixed breed, to demean our biracial president? Because that seems to be pretty farking close to advocating for racial purity, particularly when you consider that he apparently considers "mongrels" to be less than fully human.


I could be wrong, but that sounds like it comes right out of good old American white supremacy land
 
2014-02-19 12:22:08 PM

mrshowrules: vpb: Trailltrader: In this case, Poltifact is wrong.  In the last 75 years, with both left and right calling and comparing each other to "Nazi's" has diluted the effect to the point where the term "Nazi" is meaningless.  This article is a non-starter.

Cute, but calling people "subhuman mongrels" is actual Nazi rhetoric.

I'm pretty sure that type of language will get you arrested in Canada under our anti-hate-speech laws.


Sounds like a swell place - a bastion for the free exchange of opinions.
 
2014-02-19 12:22:12 PM
I don't think Nugent has an ethos.
 
2014-02-19 12:22:22 PM

The Greg Abbot campaign for Texas Governor might as well have him on the payroll.

The Dems are bringing up the whole pedophile thing, but the dumbass redneck yokels in this state don't seem to care, because GUNS AND FREEDUM, yeehaw.



Link
 
2014-02-19 12:22:54 PM

SunsetLament: You know what else the Nazi's used to justify the genocide of the jewish people?  They called them "bad" people.  According to Wolf Blitzer's logic that means anyone who has ever called anybody else a "bad" guy or person is a Nazi-sympathizer.  It's dopey.  Dear liberals, please stop; you look foolish.  If Nugent is such a terrible person, let him sink or swim on the power of his own words and ideas, not on some tortured attempt to marginalize him through ties to the Nazis.


This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
 
2014-02-19 12:23:02 PM

Headso: I don't think he was knowingly using nazi terminology he was  knowingly using racist terminology.


Perhaps a case of him getting his talking points from fellow racists who happen to swap their ideas on Stormfront and sign their posts 14/88?  He doesn't know what any of that means but damn they sure do make a lot of good points about black people, jews and immigrants!
 
2014-02-19 12:23:20 PM

Poopspasm: Will one of Ted's white knights please explain why he used "mongrel," which means mixed breed, to demean our biracial president? Because that seems to be pretty farking close to advocating for racial purity, particularly when you consider that he apparently considers "mongrels" to be less than fully human.


Not necessarily. If that were true, why would he have had to specify that Obama is a subhuman mongrel? That implies a belief that there are mongrels who are not subhuman. Study it out.
 
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