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(ABC News)   The Liberal Gun Club, is a sort of anti-NRA which provides "a place for gun owners to talk to other owners about neat gun stuff, without having to hear how the president is a Muslim-usurper-socialist running a false-flag operation"   (abcnews.go.com ) divider line
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2014-02-19 11:49:29 AM  
Shut up and take my money!

/enjoy the hell out of burning a box of ammo at the range
//REALLY can't stand most of the people who hang out at them these days
///Old enough to remember it wasn't always thus
 
2014-02-19 11:52:55 AM  
Hopefully it won't get taken over by political ideologues
 
2014-02-19 11:54:17 AM  

Magorn: Shut up and take my money!

/enjoy the hell out of burning a box of ammo at the range
//REALLY can't stand most of the people who hang out at them these days
///Old enough to remember it wasn't always thus


Yep. I used to like going to gun shows. Got tired of being told I (along with 53-54% of the population) are un-American, and intending to "grab someone's gun" (well, I might, but not at the prices they're charging the rubes right now...)
 
2014-02-19 12:03:53 PM  
Cool
It would be great to hang out with some gun owners who aren't pants wetting pansies. Seriously for as macho as they claim to be the vast majority of NRA members I know are paranoid scaredy cats who in live in constant fear of
black people
hispanics
commies
Jews
Liberals
muslims
Chinese
Asians
The Pope
Druggies
The Gheys
 
2014-02-19 12:10:38 PM  
Yea, I'd be down for that.

MisterTweak: Yep. I used to like going to gun shows. Got tired of being told I (along with 53-54% of the population) are un-American, and intending to "grab someone's gun" (well, I might, but not at the prices they're charging the rubes right now...)


Heh, yea it's kinda sad you have to wade through all the anti-Obama/librul bullshiat to actually find guns at the gun shows.
 
2014-02-19 12:10:50 PM  
It does take away the fun of going to my usual club, heading out for a round of sporting clays and wiping the floor with the guys who've spanked it to Red Dawn so many times they get an involuntary erection when Hugh Jackman discusses his movie roles, THEN mentioning how the biggest welfare queens in Pennsylvania are rural Republicans.
 
2014-02-19 12:27:38 PM  
I'd definitely join. Guns are cool. Frightened conservatives are not.
 
2014-02-19 12:29:50 PM  
You mean Vermont?
 
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2014-02-19 12:38:58 PM  
The fact that the NRA has tried to radicalize gun owners and turn guns into a right wing social issue doesn't change the fact that there are still people who want to hunt and go target shooting instead of preparing for the race war or whatever.
 
2014-02-19 12:57:58 PM  
FTFA:
She has no use, however, for the NRA's conservative political agenda.

Fail right there.

The NRA is a single-issue organization.  The majority of its members may well be conservative, and may hold conservative views on things like abortion, etc., but the organization itself only cares about one thing:  Guns.  Period.

I will retract that if someone can show me an official NRA statement on anything that isn't somehow connected to gun rights.

TFA also mentions "Pink Pistols", without mentioning that they (the NRA) often works with Pink Pistols:

Are you part of the NRA?
No. Although we do work with the NRA. For example, in California the NRA-ILA contacted us and asked us to take a look at some legislation before the State Assembly and submit written testimony with our take on the bills. We also worked with the NRA when we submitted our amicus brief on the D.C. v Heller case before the Supreme Court. On the other hand, many of our members dislike the NRA due to the positions they have taken, such as helping push through "Instant Background Checks" on a federal level. But as to whether we are an "associate" group of the NRA, no, we are not. We can't be, because we do not have an elected Board of Directors and other necessary structural elements the NRA requires for associated groups.

 http://pinkpistols.org/?q=node/4

Note that the NRA-ILA asked them for help.

Also note this:  On the other hand, many of our members dislike the NRA due to the positions they have taken, such as helping push through "Instant Background Checks" on a federal level.

In other words, the gay liberal gun rights group doesn't like the conservative idea of instant background checks.  And that's straight from the Pink Pistols FAQ.
 
2014-02-19 01:00:16 PM  

vudukungfu: You mean Vermont?


Heh.

When my father and I go participate in primitive biathlons at Smuggler's Notch in northern VT and Manchester in southern VT, when people ask us where we are from we say "New York State, and it's nice to be here in Free America".
 
2014-02-19 01:04:12 PM  
FTFA:
Positions advocated by the Northern California Chapter of The Liberal Gun Club include:

"Additional regulations on lawful gun owners are over-prescribed political placebos that fail to cure the underlying systemic societal problems that are the root causes of violence. Instead of window-dressing 'solutions' like so-called 'assault weapons' bans and magazine capacity restrictions, we support root cause mitigation for violence prevention: stronger mental health care, addressing poverty, homelessness and unemployment."


I like it.  A lot.

Personally, I don't care if you are gay, or tattooed (I have one myself), or have piercings.  You got "religion" on the Second Amendment?  Welcome to the fold.
 
2014-02-19 01:09:29 PM  

dittybopper: The NRA is a single-issue organization. The majority of its members may well be conservative, and may hold conservative views on things like abortion, etc., but the organization itself only cares about one thing: Guns. Period.

I will retract that if someone can show me an official NRA statement on anything that isn't somehow connected to gun rights.


Here. They rail against Obama's choice for the FCC
 
2014-02-19 01:13:35 PM  

dittybopper: FTFA:
She has no use, however, for the NRA's conservative political agenda.

Fail right there.

The NRA is a single-issue organization.  The majority of its members may well be conservative, and may hold conservative views on things like abortion, etc., but the organization itself only cares about one thing:  Guns. Dues. Period.


Guns are the gimmick.

They also like to leverage their membership to aid gun sales and will threaten and intimidate any gun manufacturer that doesn't toe their line.
 
2014-02-19 01:14:01 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Guns are cool.


They can be, but the most interesting parts aren't the parts that make them guns.  A metal tube with a high-energy self-oxidizer and a lump of metal at one end: just not that neat.
 
2014-02-19 01:15:43 PM  
At the Liberal Gun Club  we call a magazine a clip, a round a bullet, and a Fudd gun a marvelous example of classic gun design.

And we use those terms as shibboleths to point out who among us is a card-carrying, neo-fascist, anti-freedom hate monger.

But we let them join. We need the dudes. And the dues.
 
2014-02-19 01:16:30 PM  
Primitive Biathlons in Smuggler's Notch?

Last time I suggested that to the girl, she slapped me in the face.
 
2014-02-19 01:17:52 PM  
While I like the idea, This group has about as much chance as that 'boy scouts for tea partiers' group....
 
2014-02-19 01:18:05 PM  

BunkoSquad: Here. They rail against Obama's choice for the FCC


come on at least let the autism get out of the gate before mercy killing it

gun threads are the only thing he has left in the world

well gun threads and hate
 
2014-02-19 01:18:32 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Hopefully it won't get taken over by political ideologues


Too late
 
2014-02-19 01:18:55 PM  

Magorn: Shut up and take my money!

/enjoy the hell out of burning a box of ammo at the range
//REALLY can't stand most of the people who hang out at them these days
///Old enough to remember it wasn't always thus


No kidding. I can't even go into a Bass Pro shops any more. You need a flamethrower to cut through the patriotism porn and the high level of atmospheric derp.
 
2014-02-19 01:19:45 PM  

MisterTweak: Magorn: Shut up and take my money!

/enjoy the hell out of burning a box of ammo at the range
//REALLY can't stand most of the people who hang out at them these days
///Old enough to remember it wasn't always thus

Yep. I used to like going to gun shows. Got tired of being told I (along with 53-54% of the population) are un-American, and intending to "grab someone's gun" (well, I might, but not at the prices they're charging the rubes right now...)


Prices are falling fast.  Heck, I got an e-mail this morning from one of my distributors carrying the KelTec KSG shotgun for less than a grand, and those were pretty much running in the $1.500.00 range for the last year.  Bubble done popped for the near future it looks like.

And chalk me up as another one who hates going to a public range or gun shows only to get pounded by political rhetoric.  Thankfully we have a private range so we can shoot/test/have competitions without making it all about "Obama".
 
2014-02-19 01:19:51 PM  
I used to enjoy skeet shooting.  As a teen through my mid 20's I'd enter competitions.  Many (in my observation most of the good ones) were run by the NRA and required a membership to enter.  I didn't think twice about joining to enter the competition.  Something happened and they became a political organization.  I didn't like the propaganda they were sending me so I didn't renew.  I couldn't compete any more so going to the range to shoot clay pigeons seemed pointless; before I would go to practice for the event.  The NRA sucked the fun out of an activity I truly enjoyed.
 
2014-02-19 01:20:36 PM  

Muta: Something happened and they became a political organization.


IT ISNT ABOUT POLITICS IT IS ABOUT WORKING AGAINST ALL THE GUN GRABBING LEGISLATION OBAMA HAS PUSHED SUCH AS:
 
2014-02-19 01:20:44 PM  
I can almost smell the ponytails from here.
 
2014-02-19 01:21:54 PM  

dittybopper: The NRA is a single-issue organization.  The majority of its members may well be conservative, and may hold conservative views on things like abortion, etc., but the organization itself only cares about one thing:  Guns.  Period.


So then why is that Obama, who had just got done loosening gun laws, got a lower grade than Romney, who toughened gun laws?
 
2014-02-19 01:22:13 PM  
well thats the thing, most people are for responsible gun ownership for protection, hunting and just going to the range..I guess that would count as sport. But the NRA has taken it to the extremes with its ideology. Padering to gun fetishest, the right wing and big business that they look like a bunch of gun crazed loony liberal hating racists who thinks that guns should be easy to get as a coke in a 7-11.

Plus they do have WAY too much power in Government from cities to states to Washington.
 
2014-02-19 01:22:32 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: FTFA:
She has no use, however, for the NRA's conservative political agenda.

Fail right there.

The NRA is a single-issue organization.  The majority of its members may well be conservative, and may hold conservative views on things like abortion, etc., but the organization itself only cares about one thing:  Guns. Dues. Period.

Guns are the gimmick.

They also like to leverage their membership to aid gun sales and will threaten and intimidate any gun manufacturer that doesn't toe their line.


Close.  The NRA is a single-issue organization, but that issue is selling guns.  The arms and ammunition manufacturers would happily make up any gap in dues if member stopped paying or dropped off the rolls, because the NRA is incredibly effective at driving sales.  All it takes is the right sound bite, magazine article, or FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD: email chain and suddenly you have to drive to ten stores in eight towns to find a single box of ammunition, or the price on that mid-grade AR or 1911 you've had your eye on doubles.  They are so good at what they do that they've created a perpetual state of hysteria among the faithful; Obama has been in office for 6 years now, and yet somehow he's always...just...around...the...corner...from snatching your gun out of your hand just as the "bad guys" are kicking down your door.
 
2014-02-19 01:24:42 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: So then why is that Obama, who had just got done loosening gun laws, got a lower grade than Romney, who toughened gun laws?


because obama supports state and local governments deciding for themselves what they want their gun laws to be instead of pushing for national solutions which is clearly a gross overreach of the power of the federal government
 
2014-02-19 01:25:14 PM  
It's curious how someone takes the idea of a fun, educational gun club atmosphere and ruins it by immediately making it political.

Politics do not need to drive every aspect of your life.
 
2014-02-19 01:25:30 PM  
She belongs instead to another gun advocacy group entirely--The Liberal Gun Club--whose membership ranges, she says, "from socialists, to anarchists who can quote Marx, to Reagan Democrats."

Why does it have to be this way? I don't want to listen to you spout your liberal derp any more than I want to hear some redneck wailing about how Obama is the anti-Christ. Can't we just have a group of people who support gun ownership rights without going full-potato in one direction or the other? Is that really so hard?
 
2014-02-19 01:25:39 PM  

sprawl15: come on at least let the autism get out of the gate before mercy killing it


I'm sorry, I just didn't want to see this thread lurch around in pain any longer than it had to
 
2014-02-19 01:26:25 PM  

dittybopper: Fail right there.

The NRA is a single-issue organization.  The majority of its members may well be conservative, and may hold conservative views on things like abortion, etc., but the organization itself only cares about one thing:  Guns.  Period.


And hating Obama. The TWO things we focus on are guns and hating Obama. And our fanatical devotion to Ronald Reagan. Amongst the things that we focus on...I'll come in again.
 
2014-02-19 01:26:26 PM  

BunkoSquad: dittybopper: The NRA is a single-issue organization. The majority of its members may well be conservative, and may hold conservative views on things like abortion, etc., but the organization itself only cares about one thing: Guns. Period.

I will retract that if someone can show me an official NRA statement on anything that isn't somehow connected to gun rights.

Here. They rail against Obama's choice for the FCC


Interesting, I hadn't seen that.

If you read it, though, it's arguing for an expansive reading of the First Amendment, that media outlets should be able to chose whatever political content they want to broadcast with little or no government interference.

Doesn't seem like a conservative position to me.  Sounds like it should come straight from the ACLU.

Of course, Wayne argued that because without those conservative media outlets, which are generally pro-gun, the NRA's message wouldn't get spread nearly as widely.

Still, though, while Wayne (whom I don't really care for, btw:  He is too much the politician) may have seen a potential threat to the NRA's ability to communicate its positions to non-members (who get the magazine), that doesn't change the fact that the NRA is a gun-rights organization that may be composed mostly of conservatives, but the NRA isn't a general conservative organization.
 
2014-02-19 01:27:03 PM  
I would join

But fartb0ngo took my guns

:'(
 
2014-02-19 01:27:30 PM  

dittybopper: FTFA:
Positions advocated by the Northern California Chapter of The Liberal Gun Club include:

"Additional regulations on lawful gun owners are over-prescribed political placebos that fail to cure the underlying systemic societal problems that are the root causes of violence. Instead of window-dressing 'solutions' like so-called 'assault weapons' bans and magazine capacity restrictions, we support root cause mitigation for violence prevention: stronger mental health care, addressing poverty, homelessness and unemployment."


Wow. That seems really sensible.
 
2014-02-19 01:28:01 PM  

dittybopper: FTFA:
She has no use, however, for the NRA's conservative political agenda.

Fail right there.

The NRA is a single-issue organization.  The majority of its members may well be conservative, and may hold conservative views on things like abortion, etc., but the organization itself only cares about one thing:  Guns.  Period.

I will retract that if someone can show me an official NRA statement on anything that isn't somehow connected to gun rights.

TFA also mentions "Pink Pistols", without mentioning that they (the NRA) often works with Pink Pistols:
Are you part of the NRA?
No. Although we do work with the NRA. For example, in California the NRA-ILA contacted us and asked us to take a look at some legislation before the State Assembly and submit written testimony with our take on the bills. We also worked with the NRA when we submitted our amicus brief on the D.C. v Heller case before the Supreme Court. On the other hand, many of our members dislike the NRA due to the positions they have taken, such as helping push through "Instant Background Checks" on a federal level. But as to whether we are an "associate" group of the NRA, no, we are not. We can't be, because we do not have an elected Board of Directors and other necessary structural elements the NRA requires for associated groups.
 http://pinkpistols.org/?q=node/4
Note that the NRA-ILA asked them for help.
Also note this:  On the other hand, many of our members dislike the NRA due to the positions they have taken, such as helping push through "Instant Background Checks" on a federal level.
In other words, the gay liberal gun rights group doesn't like the conservative idea of instant background checks.  And that's straight from the Pink Pistols FAQ.


Video games and movies have absolutely nothing to do with firearm rights***, although the hypocrisy might be enough to inspire a shooting spree by some unhinged gun nut.

Wait.

*GASP*
You mean that some members of Pink Pistols think that Reagan's cooling off period was a good idea?
/Shocked.

***You're going to weasel, aren't you?
 
2014-02-19 01:28:13 PM  

sprawl15: gun threads are the only thing he has left in the world

well gun threads and hate



I may disagree with his opinions often enough, but the man's informed. I think he adds value to this place. And, I've never noticed any hate.


TheShavingofOccam123: At the Liberal Gun Club  we call a magazine a clip, a round a bullet, and a Fudd gun a marvelous example of classic gun design.

And we use those terms as shibboleths to point out who among us is a card-carrying, neo-fascist, anti-freedom hate monger.

But we let them join. We need the dudes. And the dues.



...and we call every handgun a "Glock" just to stick it to the RWNJs!
 
2014-02-19 01:29:29 PM  

mod3072: Can't we just have a group of people who support gun ownership rights without going full-potato in one direction or the other? Is that really so hard?


After I walked away from the NRA I looked for another group.  I thought Ducks Unlimited was OK; they weren't too political.  They're pro-gun and pro-environment.
 
2014-02-19 01:29:31 PM  

mod3072: I don't want to listen to you spout your liberal derp


I'm truly sorry your hobby draws crazy people who feel a need to assert their control over their lives in every possible way, but there's definitely something psychological there.  There doesn't logically have to be only those, but guns draw out the people who want to force the world to conform to their views.  An adolescent power fantasy thing.  I've come to put up with the fact that my hobbies draw out people obsessed with rules and unimportant details.
 
2014-02-19 01:29:34 PM  
I dunno, hanging around with a bunch of liberals doesn't sound all that much better.

/Kinda makes me appreciate having hobbies where self sorting by political identity isn't a thing.
 
2014-02-19 01:29:35 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: dittybopper: The NRA is a single-issue organization.  The majority of its members may well be conservative, and may hold conservative views on things like abortion, etc., but the organization itself only cares about one thing:  Guns.  Period.

So then why is that Obama, who had just got done loosening gun laws, got a lower grade than Romney, who toughened gun laws?


Because at the time Obama still supporting an AWB and othe gun control measures while Romney who had enacted gun control measures was saying mia culpa no more never again.  Really a choice between a turdsandwich and a douche for the NRA.
 
2014-02-19 01:30:05 PM  

dittybopper: that doesn't change the fact that the NRA is a gun-rights organization that may be composed mostly of conservatives, but the NRA isn't a general conservative organization.


The NRA is a fear-mongering lobbyist group devoted to driving gun and ammo sales. They don't give a shiat about anything but that.
 
2014-02-19 01:31:37 PM  

phaseolus: the man's informed.


having all your talking points in a row is not 'being informed'. any time he's meaningfully pressed on details he breaks down.

it's a common mistake to confuse assertiveness for capability
 
2014-02-19 01:31:51 PM  

Lando Lincoln: The NRA is a fear-mongering lobbyist group devoted to driving gun and ammo sales. They don't give a shiat about anything but that.


Nah, they'll support republicans with worse gun-rights records over a democrat with a better record, any day.  It's pretty transparent.
 
2014-02-19 01:34:00 PM  

Muta: I used to enjoy skeet shooting.  As a teen through my mid 20's I'd enter competitions.  Many (in my observation most of the good ones) were run by the NRA and required a membership to enter.  I didn't think twice about joining to enter the competition.   Something happened and they became a political organization. I didn't like the propaganda they were sending me so I didn't renew.  I couldn't compete any more so going to the range to shoot clay pigeons seemed pointless; before I would go to practice for the event.  The NRA sucked the fun out of an activity I truly enjoyed.


Wayne La Pierre took over.  Seriously, they were pretty Okay before that and VERY bipartisan.  The he won an election to the board and things went to hell fast.  Charlton Heston was put forward by the NRA MODERATES who thought he could act as a counter-balance to LaPierre's extremism.  The Problem was, the NRA discovered something along the way that right leaning con men, hucksters and Political Action Committees have also learned:  You can make FAR more money by slinging extremist rhetoric that appeal to the rabid but gullible 10% on the fringe who will give you their last dollar if you get them scared and angry enough, even if that rhetoric alienates  the vast majority of centrists who would otherwise support you.

Dad is an ardent conservative who taught all his kids to shoot before we hit double digits owns many guns, and was a life member of the NRA since he was a teen.  My first firearms-related instruction materials were coloring books  provided by the NRA, written to teach kids gun safety basics.

The day in the 90's when the NRA sent out their infamous letter calling ATF agents "Jack-booted thugs" and equating them to Gestapo officers, Dad resigned his membership in protest and never looked back.
 
2014-02-19 01:35:09 PM  

Magorn: Shut up and take my money!

/enjoy the hell out of burning a box of ammo at the range
//REALLY can't stand most of the people who hang out at them these days
///Old enough to remember it wasn't always thus


That's why I prefer the range I go to on my yearly trip to AZ. Still a managed mini range, but no psycho range master, and the people who go all actually pay attention and are respectful of other shooters. It's actually fun.

That Said, I don't really like people with that woman's attitude, either:

The Oakland, Calif., laboratory equipment mechanic regularly visits firing ranges, where, along with other members of her gun club, she shoots a variety of weapons. "Guns are fun to play with," she says. She even makes her own ammunition.

No, they aren't fun to "play with". They're fun to take out and shoot, but treating them like they are some kind of toy id the first mistake people make.

Otherwise, this lady's group is more like something I can get down with, I wouldn't join the NRA on a dare, and even though I like my guns, I identify more with the Left than the Right currently. In all reality though, I don't need to join ANY "group", I just own guns and go shoot when I want to. I don't need to be a part of a group to do that.
 
2014-02-19 01:35:34 PM  
I doubt I would ever join a shooting club, my guns are not toys but knowing I could without constantly hearing all about how 0bazingerdingalingalangadangdong Bin Laden-Al Qaedatm is gonna toss us all in the gulag any second now does make it more appealing.
 
2014-02-19 01:35:36 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: FTFA:
She has no use, however, for the NRA's conservative political agenda.

Fail right there.

The NRA is a single-issue organization.  The majority of its members may well be conservative, and may hold conservative views on things like abortion, etc., but the organization itself only cares about one thing:  Guns. Dues. Period.

Guns are the gimmick.

They also like to leverage their membership to aid gun sales and will threaten and intimidate any gun manufacturer that doesn't toe their line.


Actually, it's the grassroots that drags the NRA into line.

Remember the Smith and Wesson kerfluffle back in 2000?

The NRA didn't release a statement on it until long, long after there were cries for a boycott all over forums like talk.politics.guns.  You know this, because I've pointed out the links to you before showing it.
 
2014-02-19 01:37:03 PM  

dittybopper: Smuggler's Notch


Yeah.
Ray's thing.
He's a unit.
 
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