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(CNN)   After yesterday's bloodshed, Ukrainian president Yanukovych decides to dial back the rhetoric and become a voice of reason. Just kidding, he orders protesters to "disassociate themselves" from each other or be considered enemies of the state   (cnn.com) divider line 337
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2014-02-19 10:48:08 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: zimbomba63: FarkedOver: NEDM: And? Are you saying that Lyiv is now the "National Socialist Republic of Lyiv"?

Take it with a grain of salt is all I'm saying as this area has been known to be sympathetic to the far right.

Revolutions are a tricky thing.  Revolutions are ripe for opportunists and are frequently ruined by those opportunists.  The far right is very opportunistic and it always has been.  If the far right can be staved off, great.... it's a wait and see approach more than anything.

(cough)Bolsheviks(cough)

(cough) Hugonaughts (cough)


I guessing, just guessing now, you're talking about the Huguenots, right?  Please go on.
 
2014-02-19 10:49:48 PM  
FarkedOver
I really like Marx's critique of capitalism though.... can I keep that?

I straight-up stole it, myself!
 
2014-02-19 10:50:02 PM  

Farkin' Uke: tinfoil-hat maggie: Farkin' Uke: Misogynist? So...you don't seem to have a strong command of the English language either, let alone the Ukrainian language...

I thick I bolded that part and yea were done here.

You're translations have been appreciated but you're commentary is silly and lacking in fact

"Cluck your tongue"??  You think men can't cluck their tongues?  This, coupled with the pathetic state of the rest of your post, has most definitely verified for everyone reading that your English isn't so hot.

Maybe it's time for you to sleep it off.


So you're saying the little girl should go to bed? Heh ; ) I've only just begun to fight

Soviet March - Red Army Propaganda [WWII]

/You are fun to play with ; D
 
2014-02-19 10:50:57 PM  

Kittypie070: Hey, I think Angry Speech Dude has returned.


Is that on espresso TV?
 
2014-02-19 10:51:52 PM  
Goodnight all.  I need to get outta here.  Ran, always a pleasure.  Maggie.... thank you kindly! The rest of you Nazis can fark off and die (just kidding, have a good night, I know you're not Nazis).
 
2014-02-19 10:53:43 PM  
*stalks protectively around tinfoil-hat maggie*
 
2014-02-19 10:54:59 PM  

zimbomba63: tinfoil-hat maggie: zimbomba63: FarkedOver: NEDM: And? Are you saying that Lyiv is now the "National Socialist Republic of Lyiv"?

Take it with a grain of salt is all I'm saying as this area has been known to be sympathetic to the far right.

Revolutions are a tricky thing.  Revolutions are ripe for opportunists and are frequently ruined by those opportunists.  The far right is very opportunistic and it always has been.  If the far right can be staved off, great.... it's a wait and see approach more than anything.

(cough)Bolsheviks(cough)

(cough) Hugonaughts (cough)

I guessing, just guessing now, you're talking about the Huguenots, right?  Please go on.


Still waiting on the book list and yea the crazy protestent Frenck that highjacked tat revolution. And don't go spelling Nazi when you have typos in your post.
 
2014-02-19 10:55:31 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Kittypie070: Hey, I think Angry Speech Dude has returned.

Is that on espresso TV?


Yup.

G'nights, Farked Over :)
 
2014-02-19 10:57:00 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Farkin' Uke: tinfoil-hat maggie: Farkin' Uke: Misogynist? So...you don't seem to have a strong command of the English language either, let alone the Ukrainian language...

I thick I bolded that part and yea were done here.

You're translations have been appreciated but you're commentary is silly and lacking in fact

"Cluck your tongue"??  You think men can't cluck their tongues?  This, coupled with the pathetic state of the rest of your post, has most definitely verified for everyone reading that your English isn't so hot.

Maybe it's time for you to sleep it off.

So you're saying the little girl should go to bed? Heh ; ) I've only just begun to fight

Soviet March - Red Army Propaganda [WWII]

/You are fun to play with ; D


I'm implying nothing of the sort.  I'm saying that you sound like you're drunker 'n hell and that when you sober up your posts won't look like the brilliant Rope-a-Dope that you believe them to be.
 
2014-02-19 10:57:44 PM  

Kittypie070: *stalks protectively around tinfoil-hat maggie*


Happy happy joy joy ; )
 
2014-02-19 11:05:14 PM  

Kittypie070: tinfoil-hat maggie: Kittypie070: Hey, I think Angry Speech Dude has returned.

Is that on espresso TV?

Yup.

G'nights, Farked Over :)


The fella speechifying on maidanhotspot's espresso link was talking about the people that have just bussed into Kyiv from Lviv and any other areas.  Basically just thanking them for being on the road 4-5+ hours to join them there.  And now he's leading a singing of the National Anthem
 
2014-02-19 11:07:24 PM  
My Finns are worried :(

Carl Bildt @carlbildt (Twitter)

We must be clear: Ultimate responsibility for deaths and violence is with President Yanukovich. He has blood on his hands.

I know Anglos have the similar phrase "blood on hands". But it is still not quite the same. For all I know of, Bildt just uttered a declaration of a blood feud...

..as a kinda warning for Fellow Nordics to prepare for the worst kind of retaliation you can imagine. So, in effect {Bildt} told that a military intervention might be unavoidable.

...I wouldn't like too much Russian tanks rolling in like in Hungary '56, Checkoslovakia '68, or Georgia '07 (or so). The latter was done on purpose during the Olympics to keep it as much from headlines as possible. In fact SO WERE THE TWO FORMER!
 
2014-02-19 11:07:27 PM  

Farkin' Uke: tinfoil-hat maggie: Farkin' Uke: tinfoil-hat maggie: Farkin' Uke: Misogynist? So...you don't seem to have a strong command of the English language either, let alone the Ukrainian language...

I thick I bolded that part and yea were done here.

You're translations have been appreciated but you're commentary is silly and lacking in fact

"Cluck your tongue"??  You think men can't cluck their tongues?  This, coupled with the pathetic state of the rest of your post, has most definitely verified for everyone reading that your English isn't so hot.

Maybe it's time for you to sleep it off.

So you're saying the little girl should go to bed? Heh ; ) I've only just begun to fight

Soviet March - Red Army Propaganda [WWII]

/You are fun to play with ; D

I'm implying nothing of the sort.  I'm saying that you sound like you're drunker 'n hell and that when you sober up your posts won't look like the brilliant Rope-a-Dope that you believe them to be.


No I become really incoherent when I'm drunker than hell but thanks for worrying about my alcohol consumption and again not giving any facts or links on the situation. What is you're malfunction.

Just to inflame you further ; )
Slav'sya Russ
 
2014-02-19 11:17:53 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: No I become really incoherent when I'm drunker than hell but thanks for worrying about my alcohol consumption


Heh. "This user is on your favorites list. Note: 8058015 female, possibly crazy, or drunk at the time. Color: orange 4."
 
2014-02-19 11:17:57 PM  

Kittypie070: My Finns are worried :(

Carl Bildt @carlbildt (Twitter)

We must be clear: Ultimate responsibility for deaths and violence is with President Yanukovich. He has blood on his hands.

I know Anglos have the similar phrase "blood on hands". But it is still not quite the same. For all I know of, Bildt just uttered a declaration of a blood feud...

..as a kinda warning for Fellow Nordics to prepare for the worst kind of retaliation you can imagine. So, in effect {Bildt} told that a military intervention might be unavoidable.

...I wouldn't like too much Russian tanks rolling in like in Hungary '56, Checkoslovakia '68, or Georgia '07 (or so). The latter was done on purpose during the Olympics to keep it as much from headlines as possible. In fact SO WERE THE TWO FORMER!


I'm worried this can and/or could spark a world war. EU and Nato taking in Poland may be a check they cash and Ukraine with Sevastopol home of the Black sea fleet on the line.

It's a dangerous game, and there is no way to win it.
 
2014-02-19 11:20:22 PM  

flexflint: tinfoil-hat maggie: No I become really incoherent when I'm drunker than hell but thanks for worrying about my alcohol consumption

Heh. "This user is on your favorites list. Note: 8058015 female, possibly crazy, or drunk at the time. Color: orange 4."


Well wrong about a few things see how that is I'm not even gonna tell you what things.
 
2014-02-19 11:28:09 PM  
Russ national anthem
/Well with voice over
 
2014-02-19 11:42:41 PM  

FarkedOver: zimbomba63: FarkedOver: NEDM: And? Are you saying that Lyiv is now the "National Socialist Republic of Lyiv"?

Take it with a grain of salt is all I'm saying as this area has been known to be sympathetic to the far right.

Revolutions are a tricky thing.  Revolutions are ripe for opportunists and are frequently ruined by those opportunists.  The far right is very opportunistic and it always has been.  If the far right can be staved off, great.... it's a wait and see approach more than anything.

(cough)Bolsheviks(cough)

  The masses dictated change.  If the Lenin was an opportunist by offering an end to the WWI I guess he was a mean old opportunist.

I would say the western powers were the opportunists because after the revolution many allied nations that invaded (the U.S. included).  I will also mention that the Ukrainian Soviet Republic fought against this invasion.  The Russian revolution was the VERY definition of a popular movement.  Not opportunistic.  Unless of course you think feudalism is a-ok.


Where to start?  Where to start?
1) "Actually Lenin didn't think it was the right time for Revolution."  In Russia, but not in Germany.  Russia was merely a stepping stone to the establishing Soviets in Germany.  Your studies of Marx, so tell you why Lenin thought this way.  This is why the disaster before Warsaw in 1920, was a great disappointment for Lenin.  Berlin was only a few hundred miles from Warsaw.
2) "The masses dictated change"Ah, no, not really. Trotsky launched the coup d'etat using a small cadre of armed workers for the worker's soviets.  They should have been crushed, but, things were bungled.
3) "If the Lenin was an opportunist by offering an end to the WWI I guess he was a mean old opportunist."  See #1, Lenin ceded large parts of the Ukraine to the Germans, even though many in the Bolshevik leadership was against it.  He saw the old orders collapsing and the workers soviets would fill in the vacuum, thus, they would get whatever they lost back without any problems.  Secondly, the Russian Army had collapsed and the Germans were grabbing more and more territory.  Lenin used wanted it to stop and consolidate power.
4) "I would say the western powers were the opportunists because after the revolution many allied nations that invaded (the U.S. included)."Really one of the more overblown events in world history.  The Allies did not want the large amounts of supplies that the had provided to Russia, to be allowed to be given to the Germans.  The number of troops were pathetically small, never anywhere size to have any effect on what was happening in Russia.
5) "The Russian revolution was the VERY definition of a popular movement."And the need for the Red Terror?  In the major cities maybe, out in the countryside not so much, and remember, Russia was an agrarian society with most of its people on the land and the Reds were not very popular out in the sticks.
 
2014-02-19 11:58:04 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: zimbomba63: tinfoil-hat maggie: zimbomba63: FarkedOver: zimbomba63: FarkedOver: zimbomba63: Dude, when did you get the job with RT?

I'm sorry I don't support nazis and fascists.

That's odd, from what I've seen you're reading their script.  Well, except today, they didn't even mention the Ukrainian situation.

If you say so, you seem to be the expert on nazism.

Wait, so you're saying that RT is a mouthpiece for nazis and/or fascists, but, RT says that the Ukrainian protestors are nazis and/or fascists, but, RT is Russia's mouthpiece supporting Yanokovych, so does that make him a nazi and/or fascist, too?  So, nazis and/or fascists are rebelling against nazis and/or fascists, while a nazi and/or fascist new outlet chooses sides. Gosh, your world is so confusing.

Where did he say that? Are you mental

Don't really know what's going on, do you.  It was of those connect the dots things.  You seem to missing a few dots.

Sure, actually I do and it very well could end up in a new world war. Do you know why the Russians signed a treaty of alliance with France, back in the day? Do you understand the history of the Tsar taking Ukraine the Crimea etc ....Sorry doesn't mater what the Uks believe Russia will win on this. Or we hop into ww3 or 4 or 5 depending on who you listen too.


Yeah, I don't think so.  This "It might cause WW3!" is trotted all the time.  Absolutely nothing would happen anywhere in the world, because somebody's toes are always being stepped on. Does that mean that they're going to launch their ICBM's over it? Please give me a break.  I've lived through the 60's and 70's, things were way more tense and nothing happened.
 
2014-02-20 12:02:14 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: zimbomba63: tinfoil-hat maggie: zimbomba63: FarkedOver: NEDM: And? Are you saying that Lyiv is now the "National Socialist Republic of Lyiv"?

Take it with a grain of salt is all I'm saying as this area has been known to be sympathetic to the far right.

Revolutions are a tricky thing.  Revolutions are ripe for opportunists and are frequently ruined by those opportunists.  The far right is very opportunistic and it always has been.  If the far right can be staved off, great.... it's a wait and see approach more than anything.

(cough)Bolsheviks(cough)

(cough) Hugonaughts (cough)

I guessing, just guessing now, you're talking about the Huguenots, right?  Please go on.

Still waiting on the book list and yea the crazy protestent Frenck that highjacked tat revolution. And don't go spelling Nazi when you have typos in your post.


A lot of my stuff is boxed up.  I will have to get back to you tomorrow with that.
 
2014-02-20 12:15:36 AM  

zimbomba63: tinfoil-hat maggie: zimbomba63: tinfoil-hat maggie: zimbomba63: FarkedOver: zimbomba63: FarkedOver: zimbomba63: Dude, when did you get the job with RT?

I'm sorry I don't support nazis and fascists.

That's odd, from what I've seen you're reading their script.  Well, except today, they didn't even mention the Ukrainian situation.

If you say so, you seem to be the expert on nazism.

Wait, so you're saying that RT is a mouthpiece for nazis and/or fascists, but, RT says that the Ukrainian protestors are nazis and/or fascists, but, RT is Russia's mouthpiece supporting Yanokovych, so does that make him a nazi and/or fascist, too?  So, nazis and/or fascists are rebelling against nazis and/or fascists, while a nazi and/or fascist new outlet chooses sides. Gosh, your world is so confusing.

Where did he say that? Are you mental

Don't really know what's going on, do you.  It was of those connect the dots things.  You seem to missing a few dots.

Sure, actually I do and it very well could end up in a new world war. Do you know why the Russians signed a treaty of alliance with France, back in the day? Do you understand the history of the Tsar taking Ukraine the Crimea etc ....Sorry doesn't mater what the Uks believe Russia will win on this. Or we hop into ww3 or 4 or 5 depending on who you listen too.

Yeah, I don't think so.  This "It might cause WW3!" is trotted all the time.  Absolutely nothing would happen anywhere in the world, because somebody's toes are always being stepped on. Does that mean that they're going to launch their ICBM's over it? Please give me a break.  I've lived through the 60's and 70's, things were way more tense and nothing happened.


Dude one to five EMPs over the US and selective missile strikes Russia will cripple the US.Granted they will get nuked as well but well some people may see that as an okay thing.
. Anyway his storyline gets use to WW3 starting from Yugoslavia I believe. And is done buy a commander of Nato in the late 70's
 
2014-02-20 12:20:39 AM  

zimbomba63: tinfoil-hat maggie: zimbomba63: tinfoil-hat maggie: zimbomba63: FarkedOver: NEDM: And? Are you saying that Lyiv is now the "National Socialist Republic of Lyiv"?

Take it with a grain of salt is all I'm saying as this area has been known to be sympathetic to the far right.

Revolutions are a tricky thing.  Revolutions are ripe for opportunists and are frequently ruined by those opportunists.  The far right is very opportunistic and it always has been.  If the far right can be staved off, great.... it's a wait and see approach more than anything.

(cough)Bolsheviks(cough)

(cough) Hugonaughts (cough)

I guessing, just guessing now, you're talking about the Huguenots, right?  Please go on.

Still waiting on the book list and yea the crazy protestent Frenck that highjacked tat revolution. And don't go spelling Nazi when you have typos in your post.

A lot of my stuff is boxed up.  I will have to get back to you tomorrow with that.


Yea man google and reading comprehensin are hard yo farkin puke BSer,,,v=ZzVPtbIvyMg&list=RDscnRS3cOKTg">Linhttps://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=ZzVPtbIvyMg&list=RDscnRS3cOKTgk
 
2014-02-20 12:22:46 AM  
 
2014-02-20 12:35:21 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: FarkedOver: tinfoil-hat maggie: FarkedOver: That in no way, shape or form describes marxism.... If you think it does, please try reading any of Marx's works again.

It's sorta funny Marx is sorta like Jesus everyone feel strongly one way or another about what they said but so few people ever bothered to read or follow what was actually said.

/Now I'm gonna get flamed.

You're entering a world of hurt.... I'm sorry :(

Meh nothin' better to do : )

[www.interpretermag.com image 620x382]
"Peaceful protesters" in Lviv with antitank guns.


Cool the DQ is still open
 
2014-02-20 12:50:34 AM  

raerae1980: Sooo, not going to be visiting the Ukraine anytime soon. Cross that off my list. At least Italy and Spain haven't rioted yet.


But it *is* a greecy slope. Since this is the Winter of our discontent, the world could be in for A-rabid Spring.
 
2014-02-20 12:51:56 AM  
Ukraine you say?

image.guim.co.uk
 
2014-02-20 12:52:45 AM  

Farkin' Uke: Kittypie070: tinfoil-hat maggie: Kittypie070: Hey, I think Angry Speech Dude has returned.

Is that on espresso TV?

Yup.Llrig

G'nights, Farked Over :)

The fella speechifying on maidanhotspot's espresso link was talking about the people that have just bussed into Kyiv from Lviv and any other areas.  Basically just thanking them for being on the road 4-5+ hours to join them there.  And now he's leading a singing of the National Anthem


Alright so why you so into the agitprop and claiming others are doing it?

Napalm death enjoy lots of other things on the feed.
 
2014-02-20 12:54:35 AM  

Bucky Katt: Ukraine you say?

[image.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


Well I would support Princess Lehia but I think shes dead or arrested.
 
2014-02-20 01:06:03 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Bucky Katt: Ukraine you say?

[image.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Well I would support Princess Lehia but I think shes dead or arrested.


She's in prison with serious health issues.
 
2014-02-20 01:10:54 AM  

RanDomino: FarkedOver
As an addendum, I would suggest that if the Russian Soviets had left the Ukrainian black army lead by Makhno alone, I think socialism could have a more positive and profound impact in Ukraine.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]

/Don't let Ran Domino see this ;)

In truth, I'm used to M-Ls with inconsistent positions toward Anarchists. Every single one seems to have a different opinion toward the Ukrainian Black Army, Kronstadt, the raids of the Moscow Federation, each of the individual peasant rebellions... And then we can talk about Spain...


annndd Thanks tinfoil-hat maggie!


De nada,, And yea putting people in boxes that don't always fit. It cant work.
 
2014-02-20 01:17:00 AM  
traylor:

85 mm divisional gun D-44

[img.fark.net image 800x408]

It took me a while to find it. These guns were produced between 1945-1953. I doubt that they are used anywhere today, these type of guns were replaced by self-propelled guns a long ago. Maybe similar towed guns are used in Best Korea?


Yeah, but thanks to NK's union rules, that damned donkey gets a 15 min coffee break after each tow.
 
2014-02-20 01:55:56 AM  
The protesters have the look of people who'd rather talk about fighting than actually do it. If they really wanted to get rid of... whomever it is they're specifically pissed at, they'd be mixing up some ANFO and sniping the cops. Instead they seem to be playing with fireworks and waiting for the government to decide whether to arrest them or kill them. Giving the other side time to think and then reacting to what they do rarely results in a victory.

Perhaps I'm not considering a "diplomatic solution", but historically those have been unpredictable and I'm a shiat-or-get-off-the-pot kind of guy. I kinda think it's gonna end up being the Ukrainian government who decides what happens to the Ukrainian government. I can't tell if that makes me sad or not.
 
2014-02-20 03:19:01 AM  
Let Freedom Ring. Let it Ring from Maidan. To Lviv. To Odessa. To Kharkhiv. Slava. Slava Ukrainia!
 
2014-02-20 06:20:58 AM  

zerkalo: Let Freedom Ring. Let it Ring from Maidan. To Lviv. To Odessa. To Kharkhiv. Slava. Slava Ukrainia!


I have the same wish my friend, let's hope and wait.
 
2014-02-20 06:41:52 AM  

FarkedOver: zimbomba63: Dude, when did you get the job with RT?

I'm sorry I don't support nazis and fascists.


We know, you have standards

You also have internet in early XX century. At first I was surprised, but the I remembered it's alternative history early XX century.
 
2014-02-20 07:57:19 AM  
 
2014-02-20 03:17:50 PM  

zimbomba63: FarkedOver: zimbomba63: So what you're telling us, is that when the Soviets retook the Ukraine in 1944, they didn't bother any of the people who collaborated with the Nazis? Now be very clear, this is what you are saying? Oh yeah, citation please!

I have absolutely zero problem with anyone who killed or imprisoned nazis or their collaborators in the aftermath of WW2.

But you said,

"I know it's a tough pill to swallow but it is the truth. They have prosecuted ZERO people for warm crimes that occurred during WW2 and this is a problem considering the atrocities committed by the Nazi war machine."

So the Soviets "...prosecuted ZERO people for warm(sic) crimes that occurred during WW2.." that were "...committed by the Nazi war machine."  German Nazis, Ukrainian collaborators, nobody got punished, ZERO.  That's what your saying?  Man, I never knew that the Soviets were such "forgive and forget" guys.
You learn something knew every day.


Well, to be fair, "enemies of the state" weren't PEOPLE. The USSR kept no more records than if you were tracking the stink bugs you crush in your house.
 
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