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(Washington Post)   The Department of Homeland Security wants to build a national license plate tracking system that will track every driver's movements around the country. What is your destination, citizen?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 45
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2014-02-19 09:45:19 AM
7 votes:
Remember what people were called when they complained about setting up DHS and severely restricting ones ability to travel freely about the country?

Honestly, what the fark did people think was to happen?
2014-02-19 09:58:43 AM
5 votes:

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Well, at least racism is alive and well at Fark.

Truly, these people didn't seem to mind this sort of thing when the white guy was president.


Truly, the rate at which our freedoms and liberties have eroded has greatly accelerated since the white guy was president.

/hated Bush
//Obama is just worse
///next president will be even worse
2014-02-19 09:54:37 AM
5 votes:
Terrorism: turning America into a capitalist fascist paradise since September 11, 2001.
2014-02-19 09:44:53 AM
4 votes:
Why the fark is my government screwing my country?
2014-02-19 09:42:17 AM
4 votes:
"The Department of Homeland Security wants a private company..."

I'm convinced. The free market has my best interests at heart. What could go wrong?

/Thanks, Bushbama
2014-02-19 10:38:32 AM
3 votes:

AliceBToklasLives: In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.


The farther away we get from the Soviet era in time, the closer we get to its principles.
2014-02-19 09:57:31 AM
3 votes:
This is so sad.

What the hell has happened to this country?
2014-02-19 09:42:55 AM
3 votes:
Wait, they don't already?
2014-02-19 09:40:51 AM
3 votes:
I need to patent my infrared laser diode plate "illuminator" that makes cameras useless for this kind of thing, but looks perfectly fine to the naked eye.
2014-02-19 10:51:38 AM
2 votes:
I enjoy pissing off cops that ask me where I'm coming from and going to. You don't actually have to tell them.

Where are you coming from?

"South of here"

Where are you going?

"North"

Are you trying to give me a hard time?

"I don't understand the question"
2014-02-19 10:33:22 AM
2 votes:

smoky2010: There already is a national license plate reporting system. It is accessed every time you're pulled over or your plate is "ran" by a law enforcement agency.

I'm not concerned about this.


There are already towns that have systems that notify authorities, by automatically scanning your license plate, if you have broken any laws, car is registered, wanted, etc.

Anyone who supports blatant violations of the 4th amendment should be the first against the wall.
2014-02-19 10:27:18 AM
2 votes:

illegal.tender: Terrorism: turning America into a capitalist fascist paradise since September 11, 2001.


THIS

Truly, they got exactly what they wanted.
2014-02-19 10:08:23 AM
2 votes:

BunkoSquad: Wait, they don't already?


Who is "they" and what are "they" doing? ;)

Local LEAs here in California are buying cruiser-mounted versions like they are candy. They work in real time as the cop drives around on cop business, alerting the officer to make, model and plate number when it detects a license plate with a "want or warrant", either parked or going in the same or opposite direction on the street. The difference? The cops are catching locally wanted criminals...not dumping all the data the system picks up into a nation-wide data base.

But an integrated near-comprehensive national system? That's a bit too Orwellian for my taste.
2014-02-19 10:00:32 AM
2 votes:
When Texas started putting annual registration stickers on license plates, sticker theft was a big problem overnight. The sticker is now inside the windshield and self destructs if removed.

You'll need to keep your license plate in the safe when ever you're not driving, because just like a gun, if someone steals it and commits a crime it's your fault.
2014-02-19 09:55:13 AM
2 votes:
It's just metadata!
2014-02-19 09:54:39 AM
2 votes:

MBA Whore: Why the fark is my government screwing my country?


Clearly you're a racist if you disagree with what's going on.
2014-02-19 09:45:40 AM
2 votes:
Is it an improvement that they are telling us first instead of just doing it?
2014-02-19 09:44:39 AM
2 votes:
I'm so glad I'm a Good German and this won't bother me.
2014-02-20 12:17:30 AM
1 votes:

AliceBToklasLives: In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.


Although the firing squad is an exageration, a citzen still cannot move freely around Russia - they have to report where they are staying.  My ex-boss went looking for a Russian bride and when she stayed at his hotel she had to show her ID and be logged into the database as having stayed there with him.  Most of Russia's supposed new freedoms are smoke screens, it's pretty much still the same totalitarian state.
2014-02-20 12:14:14 AM
1 votes:
I luv the way they need a private company to do it, because a private company is not restricted in how they use the private information of 'customers'.  It's a way too get around the rules that 'hamstring' (read: stop from becoming Nazis) government departments. But nothing stops a government department from buying such information from a private company.

Anyone in a government department who suggests such things should be fired and then jailed for treason ... alas I fear the horse has already bolted and such 'tricky tricks' has become the norm ... "oh I just found a way for us too get around these pesky rules", "sweet here is your promotion"  (read the derp and hurdles the Bush era lawyers went through in order to change the concept of 'torture' into an acceptable proceedure called 'enhanced interrogation', and still none of those farks have gone to jail :(
2014-02-19 07:51:36 PM
1 votes:

BitwiseShift: You'll need to keep your license plate in the safe when ever you're not driving, because just like a gun, if someone steals it and commits a crime it's your fault.


When I was in Greece I noticed that the license plates were attached to cars with pop-rivets instead of screws. I asked about it and was told it was because theft of the 'number plates' as they are called, was a problem because people were stealing other cars' plates to fool all the red-light and speed cams. And since the numbers are assigned for the life of the car and never change, riveting the plate in place on your car was a good solution.
2014-02-19 01:57:50 PM
1 votes:

Hyjamon: LineNoise: Marcus Aurelius: SlothB77: Is it an improvement that they are telling us first instead of just doing it?

They're doing it already.  Now they're just fighting over who gets the data.

For a while now, around here at least, many cop cars have plate scanners on them that just run the plate of every car they see on the road, be they just tooling around town, or even parked on the street. It will pull the cars status, and the owners status. If the owner comes back with something outstanding, or your car isn't correctly registered, they will stop you.

There has never been an expectation of privacy as far as license plates are concerned.

I accept that if I am out in public, I can be subjected to such a scan.  Question I am curious about is if this would be legal or allowed in neighborhoods for cars parked in driveways (not everyone has a garage)?


It already is; aircraft (manned and unmanned) track cars, people, and objects -- including vehicles parked outdoors, and vehicles can also be tracked as they exit and enter garages.  We are fully surveilled at the discretion of who-the-fark-knows, even while in the "privacy" of our homes.  Online activity, phone data, bank records, everything.  LEOs are fully authorized to search your trash cans as well.  Nothing to see here, citizen.  Stay.  Asleep.
2014-02-19 01:50:36 PM
1 votes:

KidneyStone: I'd be cool with it if it only recorded plates of vehicles of real interest but it won't work that way.



The fact that they capture all plates is kinda the point of it. Say someone commits a crime in New York and then is tagged by their phone as they drive to Albany (or a crime is committed there obviously by the same person). It's going to need a decent crime as it's a shiat-load of work, but this is something I do on a daily basis.

The cops compare every plate that left New York to the ones that turn up in Albany - hey presto there's the crook's car, it doesn't even matter if it's a rental.

Personally I've worked out who did a child kidnap, a rape and several armed robberies. Not to mention a murder or three.

Why are so many farkers supporting criminals?
2014-02-19 01:02:51 PM
1 votes:

LineNoise: Marcus Aurelius: SlothB77: Is it an improvement that they are telling us first instead of just doing it?

They're doing it already.  Now they're just fighting over who gets the data.

For a while now, around here at least, many cop cars have plate scanners on them that just run the plate of every car they see on the road, be they just tooling around town, or even parked on the street. It will pull the cars status, and the owners status. If the owner comes back with something outstanding, or your car isn't correctly registered, they will stop you.

There has never been an expectation of privacy as far as license plates are concerned.


I accept that if I am out in public, I can be subjected to such a scan.  Question I am curious about is if this would be legal or allowed in neighborhoods for cars parked in driveways (not everyone has a garage)?   I suspect not since police can use FLIR to try to detect grow houses.
2014-02-19 11:41:55 AM
1 votes:
This slippery slope leads to:

i.chzbgr.com
2014-02-19 11:38:14 AM
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2014-02-19 10:59:27 AM
1 votes:

saywhat: Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.


There won't be an uprising. Label, smear, divide and conquer tactics have been wildly successful for the Government.
2014-02-19 10:45:54 AM
1 votes:
Yeah? Well, I'm with the department of go fark yourself,
DHS can go fark itself.
2014-02-19 10:26:52 AM
1 votes:
The Driver's Privacy Protection Act is pretty lax on who is allowed to view your information. You can't view other peoples information based on the license plate number, but your employer can.
2014-02-19 10:26:26 AM
1 votes:

MFAWG: Remember what people were called when they complained about setting up DHS and severely restricting ones ability to travel freely about the country?

Honestly, what the fark did people think was to happen?


Remember pretty much every city that set up a similar car tracking system and claimed that it would never be expanded?
2014-02-19 10:24:06 AM
1 votes:
Ok, Farkers. Tin-foil hats on.
Creative toolkit out.

What's next in the timeline of society turning into this?

I'll get you started:

2014- a beautiful, young blonde girl gets carjacked, raped and killed. Outrage/Media frenzy. Government issues the Sandra act, making it a law for all cars to have tracking devices.
2014-02-19 10:10:25 AM
1 votes:
Spare me the phony outrage - if you didn't think they were already doing this then you're a naive fool.  In many states they take pictures of your license plate at every toll booth so that they can send you a bill.   They probably take a picture at every traffic light camera.  Same thing with credit card use - every time you use one they know where you are.  They use facial recognition software in shopping malls for goodness sake.  That barn doors been open for a long time and frankly I'm not that worried about it.  If the information being gathered starts being used inappropriately (currently undefined on my part), I'll be part of the uprising.
2014-02-19 10:08:34 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: SlothB77: Is it an improvement that they are telling us first instead of just doing it?

They're doing it already.  Now they're just fighting over who gets the data.


For a while now, around here at least, many cop cars have plate scanners on them that just run the plate of every car they see on the road, be they just tooling around town, or even parked on the street. It will pull the cars status, and the owners status. If the owner comes back with something outstanding, or your car isn't correctly registered, they will stop you.

There has never been an expectation of privacy as far as license plates are concerned.
2014-02-19 10:06:10 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: duffblue: I guess the irony of your post is lost on you.

The "Pointing out racism is racist" play?


Or, you know, trying to bring skin color into every conversation.
2014-02-19 10:03:17 AM
1 votes:
They are already doing this. Now they have to come up with a strategy to tell us about it.
2014-02-19 09:59:07 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Well, at least racism is alive and well at Fark.

Truly, these people didn't seem to mind this sort of thing when the white guy was president.


I guess the irony of your post is lost on you.
2014-02-19 09:58:03 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: pkellmey: Well, at least racism is alive and well at Fark.

Truly, these people didn't seem to mind this sort of thing when the white guy was president.


Sure, because skin color is the root of all solutions.
2014-02-19 09:55:09 AM
1 votes:

smoky2010: There already is a national license plate reporting system. It is accessed every time you're pulled over or your plate is "ran" by a law enforcement agency.


Assuming that's true, it's not efficient enough to permit US border guards to discern that a TX plated rental car is the consequence of a one-way rental to BUF being taken on vacation to Toronto, as opposed to being the fugitive in the red Focus they were looking for. Was it implemented by EDS?

/not sure why I'd be driving into to the US
//nor why I wasn't stopped while leaving
///probably lucky not to be shot
2014-02-19 09:54:17 AM
1 votes:

pkellmey: Well, at least racism is alive and well at Fark.


Truly, these people didn't seem to mind this sort of thing when the white guy was president.
2014-02-19 09:47:36 AM
1 votes:
If this is implemented keep in mind whose administration was in power.
2014-02-19 09:47:19 AM
1 votes:
I would imagine that they would start with a database of all the registered government license plates from all 50 states. Does that really require an outside company? Maybe to get it out of Microsoft Access format, but other than that it would just be an image search issue to retrieve the data.
2014-02-19 09:47:11 AM
1 votes:
why would they need to do that, just track the locations of cellphones that most people have
2014-02-19 09:46:24 AM
1 votes:
So - bout this ridiculous shiat that we seem to be just taking lying down with our legs up. The answer is.... WTF? NO! Find someone you agree with - talk to other people VOTE THAT MOTHERfarkER INTO AN OFFICE.
2014-02-19 09:43:45 AM
1 votes:
In junior high school, I 'learned' that Soviet citizens could not just up and take vacations, but had to report their movements to the government. Any divergence from their plan = firing squad.
2014-02-19 09:43:16 AM
1 votes:
"It is important to note that this database would be run by a commercial enterprise, and the data would be collected and stored by the commercial enterprise, not the government,"

I feel so much safer now..
 
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